/lit/ - Literature

>>14788762
>Germany has a more appealing philosophical tradition
Complete the system of German Idealism anon. You're our only hope of ever making it.

>>14788762
Nobody does that shit anymore except for fringe lunatics like Nick Land. Analytics won, get over it.

>>14788762
I hope you find out anon. What are the best places in France? I've heard of ENS but what about Sorbonne University and Paris I? Any others?

>>14788762
faggot, you can do it at all then you can do it at home.

>>14788786
False. There's notable people in the tradition right now and Land is a nobody. Memes don't show the whole picture.

>>14788786
I do agree that analytics 'won'. We live in the Anglo-american culture undeniably. Personally, I am finishing my Philosophy BA in UK. A combination of analytic and continental tradition is only inevitable. However, to develop one's thinking in the style of analytic philosophy seems to shallow in terms of thought depth and complexity. The exception here would be people with scientific knowledge or scientists. Otherwise, I see continental tradition as a more fruitful approach to develop thinking.

>>14788800
Would you mind naming some of them? I am genuinely interested.

>>14788837
Complete opposite. Analytics lost. Literally no one cares about them outside of academia. Art, politics literature and philosophy outside the bubble of academia is all centered around continental thought. Continental thought is philosophy that actually matters to life.

>>14788866
>that actually matters to life.
most of it no more than than analytic crap does.

>>14788876
Nietzsche, Heidegger, Deleuze, Foucalt, etc. all have concrete impact on modern political and social movements. Name literally one analytic that can say the same.

>>14788885
i didn't say none you fucking retard. listing the best you have doesn't refute what i said.

>>14788885
>Deleuze
>concrete impact on modern political and social movements
I highly doubt it.

>>14788866
Well, the dominant culture is the Anglo-American along with its scientific-ism. Science is the most successful narrative available in explaining why things are the way they are. And science is mainly done in English. Analytic philosophy is a satellite of science and as such has the dominant role in today's culture. Continental philosophy seems more like a thing rich people do in their free time, the alternative to the paradigm. It is more of a hobby rather than an actual pursuit in the Anglo world.

>>14788837
https://philo.unistra.fr/faculte/historique

Best faculty for the meeting of the three strands of philosophy to which you've alluded.

>>14788885
John Rawls...

>>14788885
Literally Russell. He normalized atheism and sexual deviancy.

>>14788911
Rawls and Russell are known for their non-analytical socio-political musings.

>>14788859
Zizek, Luce Irigaray, Mladen Dolar, Jean-Pierre Dupuy, Quentin Meillassoux, Gilles Lipovetsky, Jürgen Habermas, Alain Badiou, Giorgio Agamben, Byung-Chul Han, Franco Berardi, Manuel de Landa, Judith Butler, Catherine Malabou, Jean-Luc Marion, Gayatri Spivak, Jacques Rancière, Etienne Balibar, Graham Harman, Paolo Virno, Roberto Unger, Markus Gabriel, Maurizio Lazzarato, Rahel Jaeggi, Axel Honneth, Christoph Menke, Peter Sloterdijk, Fredric Jameson, Alenka Zupančič, Chantal Mouffe, Ray Brassier, Bruno Latour, Maurizio Ferraris, Robert Bernasconi, Mladen Dolar, John Caputo, Jean-Luc Nancy, Gianni Vattimo, Richard Kearney, Antonio Negri, Avital Ronell, Francois Laruelle, Raoul Vaneigem, and Bernard Stiegler

I think this is a solid list and if anyone wants to add they're welcome to.

>>14788983
All irrelevant memes, even if Zizek makes a good sideshow.

>>14788983
Thank you

>>14788983
being a literal fucking who disqualifies one from having serious influence.

>>14789012
Most philosophers don't even get to live to see their full influence so the question of relevance is irrelevant. Ha

From what I understand Germany is quite Anglophile and especially into pragmatism. They deliberately tried to repudiate the "German ideology" after WW2, which meant reevaluating German traditions in light of "more successful" (aka they didn't fall to fascism but remained liberal democracies) countries, and for some of them meant repudiating their native traditions altogether. Postwar Germany has a very large tradition of trying to force German idealism into neopragmatist, liberal, anglo frameworks.

>>14788837
Obscurity does not mean depth. The merit of analytic philosophy is that is written clearly and coherently. If you can't communicate your 'ideas' without nonsensical flamboyant language, you may not have any ideas worth communicating at all.

>>14788786
>except for fringe lunatics like Nick Land

>>14789083
>If you can't communicate your 'ideas' without nonsensical flamboyant language, you may not have any ideas worth communicating at all.

>>14788786
>fringe lunatics like Nick Land
You mean the most important and mentally stable philosopher of our time.

>>14789012
>Not having heard of Zizek, Habermas, Badiou, Agamben, or Sloterdijk at least.

>>14789083
On this front I agree with the analytic tradition; clarity of thought is quintessential. Still, analytic philosophy is too modest to have any real impetus on the way things work in this world. It is by definition a 'slave' of science and as such it cannot create any values. Analytic philosophy lacks creativity and autonomy.

On the other side, continental philosophy faces the charge of, sometimes, trying too hard to be creative. Thus, resorting to flamboyant language and some outrageous and highly abstract claims.

>>14789073
I find your post rather interesting. Would you mind elaborating a little bit more? The only one I know in the process of critical thought in Germany is Peter Sloterdijk(pic related).

>>14788790
Good luck getting into ENS anon

>>14788982
They are still within the analytic tradition nonetheless.