/lit/ - Literature

>The monthly read is Small Gods by Pratchett

>>14772793
The book was shit. I'm already an atheist, I'd rather have a more intense debate about religion, than the gentle mocking Small Gods had.

>>14772831
You're shit

>>14772831
>people that think everything needs to be a fucking debate

why do people think they're smart for criticizing harry potter? i can shit on it too but i choose to enjoy it for what it is, a well written childrens book

>>14772894
Because it’s biggest fans are not kids, but extremely vocal infantilized people whose obsession with that series has allowed YA to become an “acceptable” genre for grown adults.

>>14772894
In consumer culture all that a lot of people have is their Taste in what they consume to define them so they have to be performative about their superior consumption.

I just want a world where one-eyed people live peacefully with dinosaurs, Astomi wage endless wars with men whose heads grow beneath their shoulders, sentient squid hunt eight-eyed eels under a strange moonlight and where equinox casts no shadows.

Is that really so much to ask for?

Hey there /sffg/
I may or may not have undiagnosed ADD and I can very rarely finish series, especially if they are longer than 3 books.
What are the best standalone books you have read? Sci-fi or Fantasy are both great, though I do prefer Fantasy.

>>14772758
Fuck Sanderson
Fuck Martin
Fuck rothfuss
Fuck Abercrombie
Fuck chinkshit
Fuck female authors
Fuck grimdark
Fuck trilogies
Fuck farmboys saving the world
Fuck gritty militarism fetisized by soft middle class losers

>>14773138
Tigana
Neverwhere
Lord of Ligh
The Hobbit
Jonathan Strange and Mr Norrell

>>14773201
t. "genre fan" who just reads Wolfe over and over again

>>14773138
Let the right one in (horror)
Never let me go
Diamond Age
Neuromancer
Station Eleven
Borne
Annihilation (part of trilogy but you can read this and stop)

>>14773138
The real problem is that series longer than 3 books are usually shit

>>14773201
What do you fuck with then?

Thinking of reading the Silmarillion. How good is it?

>>14773499
Just read a phone-book.
Same shit.

>tfw the pdf doesn't convert well and both the azw3 or mobi look like unformatted trash

>>14773721
>reading e-books
this is the future you choose

>>14773721
You can edit a lot of the formatting using Calibre, a free and open source program. Sometimes it's a pain to fix some stuff like spacing, but there are some videos on youtube that will teach you on how to do this and save a lot of time. If the book is a bit obscure then more often than not it will come with some problems. I've been fixing some of them for personal use, someday I will have to upload to libgen or something like that, but I use .epub tho.

>>14772831
*tips*

>>14772758
How To Use The /sffg/ Goodreads Group

Reviews From /sffg
To view a list of reviews written by /sffg/ either add everyone in the group to your friends list and view them in your update feed or log into the Group Updates account, the log-in info is provided in a thread in the group, and look at the feed in that account on the Home page. Click "Customize" at the top right beside the gear icon and select "Reviews only".

What /sffg/ Has Been Reading
See above, but "Book Updates only" or "Everything".

/sffg/ Ratings, Read Counts, and Book Status
In the group home page click bookshelf and then either enter the book in the search field or find it in a bookshelf. Click "view activity" and all activity regarding that entry of the book by /sffg/ will be shown. Add whatever you want that is /sffg/ relevant whenever you want.

What is /sffg/ Currently Reading?
Click on "Members" on the group home page.

Discussion
Feel free to make topics about whatever.

Everything Else
Do whatever you want whenever you want without needing to ask anyone whether you ought to do it.

Feedback & Suggestions
Is there anything missing in this? Let me know.

>>14772497
I have at least 2k only sffg books read, but I'm never joining the goodreads group.

>>14773991
No one cares.

>>14773991
Why? Joins us mate, or at least recommend us some less talked but great sffg books.

>>14773138
The Silmarillion
The Gone-Away World
The Folding Knife

I literally devoured through the Great Ordeal. Is it the best book in the whole Second Apocalypse series?
IIRC there's another one after it, the Unholy Consult, wonder how is it.

Man what a massive journey this has been, considering each book is like fucking 400 pages long.

>>14772894
I am superior to you because [insert reason]. It's simply human nature to look down on others and any excuse will do. Though some people are more vocal about it. This isn't an isolated problem.

>>14773311
>The real problem is that series longer than 3 books are usually shit
It's taken me a lifetime to reach the same conclusion. Hopefully others will take this to heart.

>>14773499
I read it as a kid and it bored me to tears. I am going to read it again as an adult because I have met people that really do love the book. I wouldn't recommend it if you're looking for light reading.

>>14773201
>Fuck farmboys saving the world
This is the only thing I actually like.
Fuck the rest. Especially the grimdark shit, all those faggots in the bars "reacting" to Game of Thrones would be the first one shitting their pants if something truly horrible started happening the streets.

t. Algerian who lived through the civil war in the 90s and saw actual people getting killed un gruesome ways.

>>14773201
Based Dinoposter

>>14772758
recommend me a dark fantasy book that has similar vibes to dark souls, and yes I've read BoTNS and a bunch of wolfe stuff
preferably something without an incel lead

>>14774280
I think warrior prophet was better, but yeah, it’s pretty good. It would have been even better if the publisher didn’t force Bakker to split TGO and TUC into two separate books.

>>14775012
Are you implying Lord "dicks you raw wearing the Claw" Severian is an incel?

>>14774532
>all those faggots in the bars "reacting" to Game of Thrones would be the first one shitting their pants if something truly horrible started happening the streets.
Do you know what escapism is? Some people like reading about things in the comfort of their own home that would truly terrify them IRL. Get over yourself.

>>14775153
Severian never had sex with anyone, all those sexual encounters of his are just him making shit up to sound cool. The way he talks about sex and women is absolutely juvenile. You can chalk some of it up to him having grown up in an all-male guild, but he doesn't improve as time goes on. The way he writes about his alleged sexual encounters is all fanfiction.net trash

Is it a bad idea when writing a story to mix fantasy and scifi elements ?
I'm writing a story that's mostly set in a fantasy sword and sorcery setting but most of the "magical items" are seen as being made by gods from long ago.
An example would be a city built around a mecha that is still standing.

>>14775329
This is literally BoTNS, go for it. There's really not enough of this.

>>14775329
It's bad that you're unaware that this has been done before

>>14775415
The only title that came to mind that did something like this was Vurt honestly.
Most of the other titles that I've read either only scifi or only fantasy but never really both of them.

>>14775329
>>14775423
just off the top of my head
a bunch of Zelazny
Pern series

haven't read much of these two but the idea is magic = technology
Dying Earth books
Dragaeran books

>>14775508
ye i think there's many fantasy books with some scifi elements.

not sure if there are scifi books with actual magic or something. could be interesting though

>>14773201
Name ONE thing left

>>14774088
You do, that's why you replied. <3

I know only casuals judge books by their covers but holy fuck why do so many new books look so shit?

>>14775329
It's called Science Fantasy.

>>14775877
About half of those look pretty alright.

>>14775877
Give an example of good book covers.

i can't find shit
i just want a dark fantasy universe with a male protagonist who is not your classical "white knight"
i guess i have to start with warhammer (but i get so depressive if i read that shit)

>>14775012
(you)

>>14776009
There are a whole bunch of grimdark fantasy books out there, friendo.

>>14776009
prince of thorns? i don't know if it's dark enough but the main character at least isn't exactly basic white knight

>>14775629
Darkover is like that

>>14776045
sadly i know that already
>>14776036
i will continue my search
guess i have to write myself a book.

>>14775983
Hell, I'll even use an example from that very pic.
Just some art that looks like effort went into it, no just a slightly photoshopped image of some dude/girl standing in front of a blue filtered stock image background or hell, just a picture of a sword.

>>14776160
That does look good, and sort of makes me want to read it.
Is it a good read?

I've seen a bunch of YA-book tubers talk about it, so I just assumed it was some YA feminist fantasy pandering shit.

>>14776172
>Samantha Shannon describes her novel as a "feminist retelling of Saint George and the Dragon".

>>14776243
I don't really mind 'feminist fiction' as long as it isn't pandering and preachy.
Imajica by Clive Barker was feminist, but I really enjoyed it.

The fact that the author describes it as 'a feminist retelling' suggests to me that it is going to be heavy handed and naggy.

>>14776009
Read Bakker

>>14774245
>>14773301
>>14773237
Thanks laddies, all these sound like very solid suggestions, I'll try to check them all out eventually.

>>14773311
Yeah, 3 books is probably about the longest something should be. I really enjoyed Lord of the Rings and Lyonesse, but if either of them got a fourth book it would probably not be as good.

>thinking book count is more important than page count, let alone word count
lel

>>14776617
It's a fairly decent rule of thumb, no need to be a smartass about it.
Since you like being so specific, how many words are ideal for a book/series?

>>14776661
Not that guy but in my honest opinion, anything between 40k and 90k words is IDEAL for any book 1 of a series. Easy to go through, enough to establish any setting. Book 2 can be longer, up to 150k words or more.

Any serious and honest books with animal characters? No cat girls who are slutty and have cat ears, but honest humanoid-animal sentient creatures.
Already read ringworld.

Is Cast Under an Alien Sun (Destiny's Crucible) worth reading?

Where my Babel bros at?

>>14776821
the same place sorceror KANGS at

>>14776813
Opinions are mixed. I personally liked it. it seems the biggest negative people have about it is the villain chapters. It starts of slow and really only kicks into gear in the second book. Its a good read if you like war fiction. Its mostly about strategy and fighting in the later books. It does have other elements to it but mostly its about a dude using his ingenuity to save a small island nation from foreign invaders.

>>14776737
>>14776829
Who's the cooler albino swordsman, /sffg/?

>>14773201
>Fuck trilogies
I guess the foundation trilogy and lotr, arguably the two most influential books in their genres are shit.

>>14776813
its alright, except for when he starts copy pasting wikipedia to cover for things like he doesn't know. Like his big "inspirational speech" is just a copy paste of a 5-10 speeches awkwardly mashed together.

Has anybody read Greg Egan? I was studying combinatorics and came upon his name. He's an Australian sci fi writer

>>14773138
If you can finish a book at all you are doing better than 99% of all humans not in school

>>14777528
Egan is universally loved. Go read Permutation City and then go from there.

>>14772758
What are peoples expectations going into a novel, knowing its an author's first published work?

How many pages will you give it before tossing it?
If its over 300 pages total I get a bit concerned about starting at all

>>14777650
Peoples expectations widely differ. Its really hard to give a concise answer. Me for example i can read anything as long as i like the characters. Even if its the most cliche or bottom of the barrel shit. As long as i like the characters i can overlook pretty much any other flaws.
People are very different though. I might be the only person that thinks this way.
I personally read about a third into a book before i decide if i dislike it or continue. I think that is plenty to know if a book or series is gonna be worth it in the long run.

>>14776779
Redwall

>>14777160
> LotR
> Trilogy
Yeah nah. It's only a trilogy because of publishing BS, it's really 6 books, or 1 book.

>>14777650
Same as any other novel. I'll read for 100 pages at most, usually less, to see if it's well written and appeals to my taste.

Yeah alright, it was good. You did it /sffg/. Out of 4 recommendations, 1 good one. I don't have much to say about it. I want more, so that must mean I liked it.
I don't know if it's this mega prize worthy book like what people are claiming online. To me, this should be the minimum quality standard out of any book. But reading reviews, you would think the author was the second coming of Frank Herbert.
The only thing I can think to criticize, was the use of "fuck". It just came across as tasteless. I'm not someone who shies away from language. But it just so happens that the use of fuck in this book was odd and glaring.
Also, I was expecting the citizens of Teixcalaan to be more different than those of Lsel. But Teixcalaanli ended up being just slightly OCD versions of normal humans. There was a lot of talk of differences, but in the end, it was mostly superficial things. Which perhaps was the point? I don't know.

I don't like that there is no fan art, or visual material for the characters. Which I guess is to be expected from a new book. The fan culture isn't developed yet. But I would really like to know what the characters look like in full. Or at least a collection of character descriptions, so I can remember what they're supposed to look like after they were described once back in an early chapter.

I might start doing this myself in fact. Keeping note of character descriptions so I can reference them later. Does anyone else do this?

>>14778231
There's a sequel planned for 2021 release. What are you reading next?

Inexorable
Why does every book use the term "inexorable"?
I never heard that word in my life. Then I start reading only a couple years back, and it's in every fucking book. Does anyone else find this distracting? Inexorable is like the Wilhelm scream of literature. Maybe worse. Because it is actually in every book I've read.
Inexorable
Inexorable
Inexorable
There's always that part in the book where the author wants to sound smart. So: Inexorable.

Anyway, I need another recommendation. Please help. Please have decent characters. Here's my updated reading list:
Finished:
Dune**, Licanius Trilogy*, The First Law, The Broken Earth*, Memory Sorrow and Thorn*, The Wheel of Time**, Nightflyers, Book of the Ancestor*, A Memory Called Empire*

Ongoing:
Cradle(Will Wight)**, A Song of Ice and Fire**, Borne(chapter 33)

Skipping:
The Prince of Nothing, The Book of the New Sun, The Black Company, Malazan, The Song of the Shattered Sands

*liked
**liked a lot

>>14778560
I don't know what to read next. This is me: >>14778564

>>14778564
Sword of Kaigen by ML Wang
The Curse of Chalion by Lois McMaster Bujold
The Traitor Baru Cormorant by Seth Dickinson

Are there good books about Faeries?
Not just books that feature them as sort of secondary characters, I mean something where they are at the center of attention.
I want to read something like that; whether they are the petty, conniving type of faeries or more agreeable ones doesn't matter, I like both depictions.

I am a salted fish irl

>>14778661
ur diary faggot

>>14772758
Is Saberhagen based?

>>14772758
>The monthly read is Small Gods by Pratchett, on discord.
Is this a joke or has /lit/ really devolved to this level?

>>14778837
Tell me how you would fix the group read, anon.

>>14778661
Most fae books are paranormal romances. Most fae books have a human main character going into faerie. I don't read romance and idk any fae protagonists

Faeries by Brian Stroud. Art & folklore book
Stardust by gaiman
The iron dragon's daughter by swanwick
Thomas the rhymer by kushner

Court of thorns and roses by maass is probably the biggest paranormal romance with fae if you want to go that route

>feelio dealio when got the book idea brewing in my head for a few days now
I SUPPOSE I should go ahead and start a basic outline of what I'd like to add, et al., and simply start writing huh

>>14778981
>Most fae books are paranormal romances.
I hadn't thought about this... not exactly what I was looking for but I'm not entirely opposed to reading romance. I was hoping for something along the lines of them stealing babies, cursing people, going to war with other critters, I don't know.
Thomas the Rhymer sounds pretty interesting though, thanks for the suggestions.

Thanks to whoever recommended Nine Princes in Amber. It's not the greatest thing I've ever read but I like the way he handles amnesia and the blending of old and new English. I wonder if it was inspired by Niall of the Nine Hostages. The author seems to know a thing or two about Celtic folklore e.g. the phrase "I saw the new moon with the old moon in her arms"

>>14775877
Sweatshop art
If you reverse image search it takes you to asian portfolio sites still an improvement from the era of Vallejo though

>>14772758
>goodreads
>discord
How this place has fallen

>>14779188
There is literally nothing wrong with Goodreads.

>>14778633
So more female protagonists and bureaucratic intrigue? I guess I'll give The Curse of Chalion a try, since I can't find audio for The Sword of Kaigen. I ragged on male authors failing to write interesting female protagonists. It will be interesting to see how the reverse fairs.

>author has a shell of a website, an introduction, a map, artwork, etc
>literally 4 chapters written then went on hiatus

>>14772870
Pretty much. Besides, atheists all belong in a mass grave anyway.

Chidkillers, the lot of them.

>Severian "doing the incest with the meaty terminus est"
This is fun

>>14778564
>>14778231
>25% success rate
That's what you get for trusting random anons or possibly a single anon really, rather than an anon with taste similar to your own.

>>14778564
You could try The Witcher and Nine Princes of Amber. But why don't you want to read Black Company? It has great characters.

>>14779047

Read the Broken Sword fag

>>14779366
Well taking random recommendations was working for a while. And besides, I don't have tastes yet. I only just started reading. So far I narrowed my tastes to "decent characters." So I made sure to mention that this time.

>>14779375
>The Witcher
If the games are anything similar to the books, then it looks lame as hell. Zero interest.

>why don't you want to read Black Company?
I forgot my reason. But I skipped a book or two based on bad audiobook readers. That's possibly why.
>Just read the text
No.

>>14779387
You're audiobook only? Well ok then.

>>14779387
>If the games are anything similar to the books, then it looks lame as hell. Zero interest.
I've never played the games, but I did like the characters in the book. You could try reading/listen the first short story and decide. It's also the best book of the series so...

>>14779252
Do you not want intrigue? First Law probably has the least intrigue in your list, and you didn't like it (Glokta does the most 'intrigue', but he's a torturer, not a politician).

If you want 'adventures', try Kings of the Wyld.

Do not exceed the length of this post.

>>14779479
I don't necessarily want or don't want intrigue. I was merely commenting on how similar the recommendations were to the book I just finished. A Memory Called Empire is pretty much a whodunnit from the perspective of a bureaucrat. Then reading the description of the recommendations I got, they sound like they involve more or less the same themes.

I already said I would try The Curse of Chalion, and I mean it. Please don't pile on more recommendation. I don't like having too many choices. And I don't want to queue up a bunch of books, because then it will feel like I'm reading them as a chore. Just one book at a time is how I want to pace myself.

What does "a generous mouth" mean? Wide? Full lipped? How is a mouth "generous"? I've heard it often, but can't figure it out.

According to Goodreads overall ratings :
Dune > Children of Dune > Messiah > God Emperor
That's pretty interesting.

>>14776958
Is there even a dispute? Geralt has absolutely no conflict and you can't tell me he does.

How's the Shannara TV adaptation?

>>14772831
Your autism is showing

>>14772758
Book recommendations for feels of the OP pic?

>>14775322
How does it feel to be jealous of fictional characters?

>>14779610
Tbh I'm genuinely jealous of Severian because he had direction throughout his entire life. Even if he never had the happenings, he would have still become a master tortioner, with a state job, shelter, food, status, buddies.

That's more than a lot of the youth today can boast of.

>reading fifth head of Cerberus
>enjoying it so far
>get to the second story
God fucking damn it, it's one of THOSE (the wolf story and monitor story from BoTNS).

>>14778564
>liked wheel of time a lot
>skipping Black company and BoTNS
Get hit by a bus.

Are there any books you guys have purchased for the actual physical gimmick of the book?

Orcs is a terrible novel, but I still bought it because it had a sweet black cover with red paper.

>>14779719
BotNS is the only series I've ever paid money for. Ever.

>>14779707
Oh I'm sorry for enjoying a whimsical adventure with cool magic and likeable characters. I need to read all of /sffg/'s gritty dungeons and dra- er I mean, totally mature dark fantasy with like, complex brooding characters.

I have read Prince of Thorns. It's ok but does it get any better in King and Empire of Thorns?

Also which series are heavy focused on intrigue and (geo)political aspect of the story/world? For example, in ASOIAF I absolutely enjoyed reading and trying to understamd what Littlefinger and Varys are up to.

>>14779845
>whimsical
PLEASE get hit by a bus.

>>14773138
The Tower of Fear by Glen Cook

>>14776829
Llew Ereint gang reporting in.

>>14779846
Depends on what you liked in Prince of Thorns. I really enjoyed the second book and thought that the last one was weak.

>>14779861
>AHHHHHH THE WHIMSYYYYY! THAT'S FOR YOUNG ADULTS. SAVE ME GLEN COOK! I'M GOING MAAAAAAD.

>>14779719
Pretty much any of my hardback books

>>14779595
It's very MTV. She a cute.

>>14779142
He was very well read, tons of mythology in his writing, a Masters degree in Elizabethan and Jacobean drama. The Amber series is his popular work, you could also try Lord of Light which is his best imho

>>14776009
Conan
Elric
Clark Ashton Smith's S&S tales.

Need some zombie recommendations that are not complete trash. Just finished this and honestly is was not nearly as bad as WWZ

>>14776009
Solomon Kane as well though you could say he's the extreme version of a 'white knight.' In one story he comes across a dying a girl who tells Kane who murdered her and Kane spends the next several years hunting this man down even though he had no connection to the girl at all.

>>14779333
Incest is based

I'm a third of the way through of the audiobook Arcadia by Iain Pears and I think it's great. An interesting sci-fi, fantasy (with some commentaries on both) and historical novel. Good characters, great settings, intriguing narrative structure.
I recommend.

>>14776009
Honestly it's hard to find fantasy books that aren't like this these days, fantasy writers almost seem ashamed of writing fantasy these days so they try to go seriously overboard with the "much dark, mature themes" to pretend they're deeper than they actually are.

>>14780137
It's not just fantasy writers, it's everything, in every medium. Being earnest and honest has become unfashionable so everything gets couched in layers of either irony or grimderp nonsense.
It really seems to me that it stems from a simple lack of confidence in content creators. Every movie has to constantly paint the fourth wall with quips because the Director's are scared of giving it an honest effort and failing. Every book has to be super grimdark because authors are afraid of being considered childish.

Irony is the lowest form of humor, sarcasm has nothing on it.

>>14780161
>Every book has to be super grimdark because authors are afraid of being considered childish
Which ironically leads to their works resembling those super edgy YA-novels than something genuinely "mature." Going into a work with more thought into what you don't want to do instead of what you want to do is pretty much guaranteed to fail.

Good lord the Amber family is something else. What a bunch of schemers the lot of them. My boy Corwin keeps getting manipulated left and right, you got to feel sorry for the guy.

>>14776779

Kamigawa i miss the old times

What book/series has the greatest sense of "Magic as a Science" or Fantasy-Science?

Like focusing on Alchemy (herbal, not equivalent exchange), Magic experiments, harnessing magic for some kind of power - but not in a futuristic setting; all that sort of stuff.
Not looking for Sci-fi with Magic, more some kind of fantasy that has some (in-setting) scientific-functional elements.
It's hard to explain, but I've been looking for something with this as a theme and I kept on getting "Read the Witcher" and nothing else, surely there must be more.

>>14780525
Wouldn't that just be magic schools where they methodically and systematically study magic as if it were a science?

>>14780525
>alchemy
>herbal
Herbal would be more like a apothecary doing compounding as an early form of pharmacology.
That doesn't really much to do with alchemy which is primarily concerned with metals.

>>14773721
PDFs is general do not convert well, though. God help you if it's anything other than plain text.

>>14775877
In a sense it's just digital art. Or shitty "put a photoshopped person the cover". I remember in particular cover of Croatian Fellowship of the Ring stuck with me for some reason.

>>14779933
>SAVE ME GLEN COOK

You realize he also wrote Garrett PI, right?

>reading long ass book
>want to read something else
I am enjoying what I am reading, but it is very long, and I feel my eye start to wander to my next potential read.

Do you read multiple books at the same time, or do you just power through one at a time?

>>14780688
>power through one at a time
Mostly this. I tend to forget little details if i switch books too quickly so i just finish whatever i am reading first.

>>14780688
I never tried to read more than one book at the same time. Doesn't it feel weird? Don't you then end up reading more of one and ignore the other? Feels like cheating.

>>14779845
>whimsical adventure with cool magic and likeable characters
But Wheel of Time has none of that

>>14780688
Your fear of commitment even includes reading books.

>>14780919
Too true.
I always seem to get bored in the middle of long ones.
Short ones are great. I get what I need, and move on to the next.

>>14780688
Just power through, trying to keep up with two books at once feels like it'd be a massive drain.
This is also the main reason I'm not a big fan of massive books, with 300 or even 400 pages it's pretty easy to get through, and if it's a series you can just pick up the sequels later; but if it's some 600+ monster than unless it's an absolutely amazing book it gets pretty easy for you to start skimming in the last little bit.

>>14780688
I read anywhere from 1-5ish at a time depending on if anything is really gripping me or not.
It does lead to some stuff being abandoned but it's better than just stopping reading because I'm not into a book.

Right now if I go through my kindle I've got 5 books that I'm actively reading and a few more either ready to return to or start.

What are some books that just have absolutely top-tier spooky atmosphere? The genre can be either sci-fi or fantasy, I just want something that builds up a real sense of "wrongness" if that makes any sense.

>>14780688
The act of reading requires a certain amount of discipline. I just power through one book at a time. I'll increase the amount of time I'm reading to get through the book.

>>14772758
>discord in the op
I leave for a short while, and I come back to this. What the fuck happened?

>>14780402
He's been out of the game for awhile but he is a Prince of Amber. The others would be foolish to underestimate him

>>14781153
It has been there for quite a while now. I'm still thinking whether to join or not. I like this less immediate way of talking though, there's a charm to it. Plus, I've read that Discord is shit privacy wise, so I don't know.

>>14781153
I copy pasted from the previous threads. Someone asked about the reading so I copy pasted that too. You're welcome to make the next thread

>>14781056
house of leaves

>>14781130
>The act of reading requires a certain amount of discipline
I still don't get this, every keeps acting like reading is some big commitment but outside of a few more challenging books I've always found it just as easy as watching a movie or TV show. Do normalfags actually get exhausted by having to read a bunch of words and use their imaginations to picture what they're reading?

>>14781264
You don't get that people have attention spans? I'm not talking about doing a thousand burpees anon, but surely you understand that getting a monkey to flip through hundreds of pages while moving their eyeballs left to right for hours on end takes a little effort.

Is it true the Robot novels are mostly about how the three laws don't really work? Also, what order should I read them in?

>>14781188
Oh man. I just finished The Hand of Oberan. I knew from the title that Oberan would be back. And Ganelon was acting really weirdly, knowing a lot of stuff. Zelazny was clearly giving some ideas, but I never even stopped to make the connection. I mean, how come Corwin never made that connection himself? The books are so short that there isn't even time to think about. That's good though, hits you harder. Fuck that was a great book, and another great twist.

>>14781264
But that anon was talking about the discipline required not to switch to another book, that's no different than only half-playing videogames or quitting a TV show halfway through
There's another aspect too, which is that people tend to use up all their time farting around on the internet, and actually reserving even just 15 minutes for reading is a big deal. People are lazy

>>14781453
>People are lazy
no u

>>14781477
Well, yeah. I wasn't intending to exclude myself

>>14781438
>Is it true the Robot novels are mostly about how the three laws don't really work?
Yes
>what order should I read them in?
I, Robot
Caves of Steel and the Naked Sun

>>14780931
Just read anthologies and similar then.

I want to get into Elric, the thing is my country has a recent big volume with the six main books for just 24 eurodollars while I haven't been able to find any collection or even most single books in english and the single books I did find are way more pricey.
Anyone feels like chipping in? I'd buy the tl'd cheap collection if it didn't irk me a fair bit not reading it in original.

>>14781481
What about
"The Bicentennial Man" (1976) or The Positronic Man (1992) - short story later developed into a complete novel
"Mother Earth" (1948) - short story, in which no individual robots appear, but positronic robots are part of the background
"Mirror Image" (1972) - short story about R. Daneel Olivaw and detective Elijah Baley
The Robots of Dawn (1983) - third Robot series/R. Daneel Olivaw novel
Robots and Empire (1985) - fourth Robot series/R. Daneel Olivaw novel

>>14778661
War of the flowers

Do any of you in /lit/ know a good program other than adobe reader that you can use to have a program read it aloud to you? I learn and retain stuff better that way and not every book has an audiobook option.

I'm not gonna lie, God Emperor of Dune is boring me immensely.

>>14781056
Annihilation by VanderMeer
1984

>Want to re-read the Abhorsen trilogy because they're just some pretty comfy, easy reading books after your recent string of "hard" literature and historical documentaries, but you sold your copies
Anyone have any recommendation for some easy reading fantasy books, preferable with some "chilling in the tavern" moments between the plot?

>>14781864
Kingkiller Chronicles
you never said good

>>14781864
A shorter piece that was a very comfy, uncomplicated adventure and is itself a tale that is being told in a tavern. which itself contains a tavern scene, is:
The Smoke of Gold is Glory

>>14781864
Deltora Quest and The Edge Chronicles are the creme de la creme of kids fantasy books (haven't read Abhorsen yet). Quick easy reads but they've got solid plotting and imagination.

>>14779383
I do have that in my backlog, thanks for reminding me.

>>14781521
Sounds interesting, thanks m8

>>14779590
Being conflicted isn't cool, but anyway Geralt is extremely conflicted.

>>14773301
bretty good, though for Let the Right One In you might as well just watch the film. It's actually better than the book.

>>14775012
the dark tower universe has a similar post apocalyptic mysterious feel

>>14781442
The Corwin books are so good. Unfortunately the Merlin sequels aren't.

Not literature.

>>14781864
The Jinx series by Sage Blackwood are comfy af

>>14773201
honestly im kinda interested at what you do like, not even from a way to tear down yer offering. i mean looking at the list im assuming have

jordan
goodkind
brooks
duologies
stand-alones
tolkien and his tree of authors
asimov and his tree
lightbright?
heroic myth (we need a return to inspiration badly)
space opera military and exploration
firefly space outlaws

>>14781489
Just fucking read the books then decide to buy if you enjoyed. No need to make a grand story out of it. Most books are a simple "read elric of melnibone online" on fucking Google, jesus h christ.

>>14782800
All conflict in the Witcher is artificial and is a slave of the plot. Elric has self conflicts that serve only his own character.

/sffg/, I wrote myself into a corner but I think I might have written my way out, can I get an opinion on this?

>previously, the characters being hunted by the sheikh's men tried to disappear into a wedding unaware that the sheikh himself was in attendence
>the wedding turns into a red wedding and the characters try to escape during the chaos, but during the escape the illusionist – who has spent a third of the story being helpless – gets captured by the baron and the characters are forced to comply lest they kill her
>marched back to the sheikh's palace in chains, the characters are put on trial for a series of misdemeanors and the death of a child that was in fact pure accident.
>the sheikh is well aware it's an accident but the people demand blood. The vizier however, suggests pardoning the illusionist who was completely uninvolved in the accident and offering the other three a trial by combat, promising to send the illusionist home regardless of the outcome
>the heroes agree, stating it was better if the illusionist had never come with them at all
>during the trial by combat, the illusionist sits on the sidelines while the rest of the characters fight the sheikh, who serves as his own champion.
>he's more than a match for all three of them, and after knocking the theif and the navigator out of commission he corners the alchemist who was personally responsible for the accident
>the sheikh asks the crowd whether he should slay or stay and the crowd roars slay
>as he prepares to strike the final blow however, the illusionist casts a spell from the sidelines making it look like the sheikh stabbed the alchemist in the heart
>realizing the crowd has what it wants the vizier declares the trial over and sneaks the still very much alive alchemist out of the arena
>a few days later they're sent on their way, and by unanimous decision the illusionist remains with them


>>14781616
the books only get worse. stop reading there

I just read 190 posts in one go.
Fuck.

>>14783432
Logically, practically, rationally, and pragmatically there are a lot of problems with it.

>>14783530
So what?

>>14781489
fine ill spoonfeed you, use a vpn and enjoy - https://b-ok.cc/g/Moorcock%20Michael

>>14783537
damn.

any specifics?

February ends Saturday.
What new release are you expecting for the rest of 2020?

>>14783740
Winds of Winter

>>14783740
This is now my favorite spoof book cover.

>>14779580
My opinion exactly so far.

Looked at a couple of new releases from this month, both debuts and one is 500 pages long and the other is fucking 700 pages long.
That's asking for a lot of faith in books that I can barely even tell apart from 100's of others from the blurbs.

Always suspicious of how a publisher got sold on a debut that long desu

What's the Robinson Crusoe of modern fantasy?
Being stranded somewhere unknown and using your magic and wits in impressive ways?
Daniel Black is like this, anything else?

>>14784000
It's set in the middle of london but The Rook is all about a character waking up in the middle of a weird situation and surviving by their wits

For actual strandings I can only really think of a chapter in the 4th Imager book (first in it's own subseries) and The Outlaw and the Upstart King which is 5th in a series

>>14783966
are you suggesting the publishing industry is some kind of clique???

>>14784051
He'd never. That would be preposterous to even hint at.

reading destination void (never read dune so this is my first introduction to herbert). only got pointed to them as it's said the sequence of novels was direct inspiration for the marathon games, and as an illiterate fuck that primarily consumes media through bideo bames it took me a long while to get around to this. enjoying it heavily however

>>14780628
Not a fan of that Legolas but that's a pretty neat cover, I like the colors and the composition of the picture.
How well does Tolkien translate to other languages anyway?

>>14783740
Doors of Stone

lol just kidding

am looking forward to the next Powdermage book next month though

>>14784475
>How well does Tolkien translate to other languages anyway?
From what I've been told, and mind you this is just what i have been told from friends, the only good translations are Russian, French, German and Japanese. Surprisingly fantasy tropes and cliches translate almost 1:1 into these languages so prose and structure can be directly translated without the need to actually substitute meanings much.

https://cpb-us-w2.wpmucdn.com/voices.uchicago.edu/dist/8/644/files/2017/08/Chiang-Lifecycle-of-Software-Objects-q3tsuw.pdf

Anybody have any recs for short science fiction like this? I guess hard sf with a literary style is what I'm looking for. I like Asimov for example but his writing is sort of choppy at times.

Also science fiction in general with a more optimistic, non-dystopian outlook

>>14783755
this

Have you read this, /sffg/?
If so, what did you think of it?
I enjoyed it for the most part, even though some parts were a bit of a slog, I rather liked the prose.
It was also significantly less preachy than I anticipated.

sanderson is a hack

>>14772906
>thinks a category of fiction called young ADULT shouldn't be an "acceptable" genre for grown ADULTS

>>14784547
>hard sf
>optimistic

Haha

>>14773138
Futu re
Metro 2033 (There are two other books but it could work as a standalone book)

>>14783130
I just have a fairly strong dislike for reading books on a screen. But yes, I've been doing it already, I'm almost finished with the first book.
>>14783612
Thanks.

>>14783740
Not new release exactly but the Hussite Trilogy by Sapkowski is set to be translated and release this june(?). I've read good things about it, some say it's better than The Witcher. We'll see.

>>14779719
Since I've gotten my Kindle the only book I've considered buying was Shadow and Claw, but I ended up deciding against it since that version had shitty cover art, plus they didn't have Sword and Citadel to go with it.

>>14783142
Geralt being bitter about being a mutant doesn't move the plot forward. Anyway sounds more like you being salty than a legitimate critique.

witcher is a video game

>>14784649
Should anyone 'person' be able to use the handicapped 'person's' parking space too?

Anyway, like many labels Young Adult shouldn't be taken literally. I believe the term was coined to make kids think they're reading mature books, ironically it fooled just as many adults

What about NEW ADULT FICTION?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_adult_fiction

Is it any good? I like the concept of old badasses coming out of retirement and just how unashamed it is of just being a classic action fantasy, but from the reviews I read it makes it sound like it tries to go overboard with winking at the audience to the point the actual story pretty much gets sidelined.

>>14785347
Thread sentiment has been mixed.
6 /sffg/ ratings, which are mixed as well.
5 stars: 3
3 stars: 1
2 stars: 2

Based on the single /sffg/ review, your concerns are well-founded.

Tell me /sffg/, do you usually read a series all in one go or do you like to take pauses in between books and read something else to prevent getting burnt out on a series?

>>14785374
My usual is to read a book then not get around to the 2nd book for 10+ years at least, then read the rest in a row. Is it a good way? No. Is it what happens? Yes. The 2nd most common is several years gaps between books in a series even if they are already out. Then the other is just read all in a row, sometimes one per day, length permitting.

>>14785191
your mother is a whore

>>14780628
Damn that's a good cover. Especially that gimli, I miss those old school dwarves with the pointy hoods. Nowadays all fantasy dwarves are usually bald or having some sort of crazy mohawk or braids or whatever. Whatever happened to the pointy sack hat?

>>14780525
I liked Broken Earth. Well, the book itself is bad but the concept is both interesting and compelling. Magic is science in all sense, and magic users are literal walking nukes. How do you contain that? I wish the author was better though.

>>14785389
Your mother sucks dwarf cock

>>14785374
I've been known to drop series after series somewhere during the last book. It's something about failed expectations, or whatever. Doesn't help that usually the last book in a series is the poorest.

>>14785374
If I like the first book and the series is already out, then I read it in one go. Afterwards it may be difficult to rate books individually though. Especially if I don't pause between books, and I rarely do.

>>14785408
I've spent all this time with you, but now I'm going to reject you before you can disappoint me. It's not me, it's you. I am the one in control. By rejecting you I am rejecting sunk costs and proving that you have no hold over me. I can leave you whenever I want.

>>14785417
sneed

>>14785417
Sunk cost fallacy. Nowhere does it say that you can't drop something if you've dedicated X amout of effort or time in it, if enjoyment is not specifically held until the end. I can enjoy a series and withhold the ending, and still receive 100% enjoyment out of it. In fact, you don't even need a whole of a series to get enjoyment out of it. I posted Foundation for a very good reason; I only enjoyed the parts with the Mule.

>>14785435
YTMND (You're The Mule Now, Dog!)

>>14783966
Every time I read a new 700 page book it reads like a 530 page book with the intro/prologue stretched for 170 pages more than it needs to be

Why are like 90% of all modern fantasy writers women? I'm scrolling through latest releases all over amazon and goodreads and even in book stores and it seems like the only time you see male authors is for decades old books.
Also, are any of them any good?

>>14785493
Women are unironically AVID consoomers of fantasy and urban fantasy. When I say avid, I mean 5+ books a week easily. Most of my friends read at least 3 books a week, some (including myself when possible) a book a day or a book every 2 days. Also these nufantasy books are very easy to read, as they contain mostly dialogue with little descriptions. Only just enough to be serviceable, but you'll never find BotNS tier pages upon pages upon pages of descriptions and philosophical musings.

>>14785347
Nah, Crown for Cold Silver is a better washed up bastards come back book.

KotW leans too much into the mercenary groups as rock bands analogy and the character work isn't great outside of the protagonist.

>>14785530
How the fuck do you read a book a day ?

>>14783728
Not that anon but it doesn't make much sense for the Sheikh to be complicit, injustice could be happening on his watch all the time and he just has to suck it up.

Unless you hint at the Vizier having some personal connection to one of the crew, specifically the illusionist, then he's doing a lot of work for these prisoners for no reason, and risking the Sheikh's legitimacy on it to boot.

It's okay to keep writing after this point btw. If you're not happy with this sequence then maybe when you're done the story you'll have more plot threads and characters to retcon it into a workable sidequest

>>14785592
As a male, my best guess is to listen to an audiobook, 8-12 hours long, one a day.

>>14785592
>How to read a book a day ?
It's quite easy: you read at night. In all seriousness, I personally read on my way to work, at work whenever I have a break, and at home all I do is pretty much read and write. Sometimes I have inner debates such as reading a book, then thinking I could be reading another book, then thinking I could be writing instead.
But it's not hard to read a book a day. You just have to treat it as any other thing you 'should' be doing, if you really want to read a lot.

Besides I have no loyalties to fads. I'd rather just read than dedicate time doing 'things'. 80% of the things people do are just to fill time. You don't 'have' to go to the gym, you don't 'have' to watch a movie. I'm an old soul, I prefer just reading.

>>14785671
>It's quite easy: you read at night.
>Read in the evening
>Look at the clock
>It's 4am
>Have to get out of bed in an hour

Terrible advice.

>>14785592
They speed read and don't retain any information. Ask them to summarize the plot of the last 5 books they read without help from the internet. They can't do it. They probably don't even remember secondary character names.

>>14785663
As someone who does listen to audiobooks, it's actually pretty hard to retain what you're listening to, if you try to do it all day. Oh sure, if you're just doing basic tedious work, then you can listen to audiobooks just fine. But everything that requires conscious thought is a distraction. Even little things like checking the time will lose you the last 5-10 seconds, which could contain important information. I sometimes try to listen to audiobooks while I walk to the store. But if I cross a familiar face, that's a distraction. Crossing the street, that's a distraction. Getting my things rung up at the register, that's a distraction. I don't drive, but I imagine that any small thing you have to pay attention to while on the road would be a distraction.

Point being: If they're listening to 8+ hours a day, then I bet their retention is horrible.
And if they're reading more quickly than an 8 hour audiobook, then I bet their retention is horrible.

>>14785726
>everyone who reads more volume than me doesn't retain anything

>>14785726
You're a brainlet if looking at a clock makes you lose your place in an audiobook.
You either have a low attention span(brainlet), or you speed up the audiobook to play at a speed higher than x1(stupid).

>>14785676
>1 chapter on my way to work
>1 chapter 1 my way home
>1 chapter combined at work during quiet hours
>get home and read after groceries, wash, cook and clean
Wow, that was hard. It's not really, if you don't play video games. The example above was The Great Ordeal, which is some 400 pages long. It took me about 6 hours to finish, and believe you me it's one girthy book. Most new releases are NOWHERE near as dense. YA is mostly dialogue and you genuinely surf through.

>>14785812
You read extremely slowly.

>>14785763
You don't. The good thing for you is, speed readers don't even care about the information they miss. Speed reading comes along with the assuredness that you have gotten the important morsels of information. And that assuredness prevents you from ever considering how little you actually retained.

>>14785784
I always read at normal speed. And I don't have low attention. And I didn't say I lose my place. Only that I lose the small amount of time it took to look at the clock. As I'm looking at the clock for a reason. I'm thinking about the reason I'm looking at the clock. I have to be somewhere, I have to do something, I'm registering the relative time until I have to do the thing.
And you can lose important information in 5 seconds. A character description, a character name. Who said what, etc. You miss details here and there, unless you bother to open your device and rewind the last 10 or so seconds.

>>14785819
And yet some can't believe it's possible to read 1 book a day.

>>14785493
part of it was that genres began mixing, romance with fantasy.

is malazan good?

>>14785949
No

>>14785819
That isn't slow at all.

I'm literally unable to speed read or slow read. If I read at any speed other what I naturally do I become conscious of the reading and I'm forced to stop reading because it becomes literally unbearable.

>>14785949
It's one of the most divisive series in this thread.

>>14785972
>tfw about twenty-five to thirty pages is your one hour maximum
Considering I only read a chapter or two before bed it takes me quite a while to get through a book.

>>14785949

Some of it. Coltaine's train of dogs is great

>>14777160
>>Fuck trilogies
>I guess the foundation trilogy [...] are shit
Yes. Only the first book is good.

>>14785949
If you like long ass grimderp

>>14786367
"No"

>>14785819
Sorry speedreader-kun, I like to be able to remember what I read months later, so I can discuss it with people.

>>14785821
>Only that I lose the small amount of time it took to look at the clock
I only "read" audiobooks, I don't lose anything while looking at the clock. Hell, sometimes I read 4chan posts while listening to books. I don't lose anything. That is why I said you either low attention span, or literally retarded.

>>14784051
>>14784214
guess what anons I looked it up and the author of the 700 page debut went to harvard. What a surprise!

>>14785598
so, for more clarity, the situation with the sheikh and the vizier might make more sense when you take into account that they're following the archetypal dynamic. the sheikh is an irresponsible hedonist while the vizier is a schemer who sees political value in keeping the the heroes alive because he knows they're on a quest to stop a neighboring tyrant who has been building up an army. this is also why he offers to send the illusionist home. he sees she has no value to him

>WHAT PRICE IMPREGNABLE ARMOR AGAINST IMPLACABLE FOE

If my favorite SFF books are:
Revelation Space
BOTN
Blindsight

what more would you recommend?

>This feeble scholar will bring doom to us all
Alright then, I like how this starts.

>>14786929
Source?

>>14786910
Children of Time

>>14787003
Elric of Melniboné

>>14787162
I started it yesterday, I'm about 2/3 into the first book.
Can I ask what reading order are you planning? I'm following the author's advice: start with Elric of Melinboné and end with Stormbringer, the order in which you read everything inbetween doesn't matter.

>Once upon a time would just walk into book stores, grab something with a neat cover, and walk out
>Now meticulously research whatever I stumble across and 99% of the time pass it up if I find so much as a single review that rubs me the wrong way
Autism is a hell of a drug, I wish I could just randomly jump into shit again.

>>14787238
I'm currently in the third chapter of the first book. I was not aware that there was more than one way to read the series.
Will you go then: Elric of Melniboné - The Sailor of the Seas of Fate - The Weird of the White Wolf - The Vanishing Tower - The Bane of the Black Sword and finish with Stormbringer?

>>14787301
From what I gathered you can either follow the publishing order or the chronological order, that being the one I posted. The issue with that approach is that you would go through schizophrenic swings of tone which of course wouldn't happen if you were to follow the publishing order. What I'm 100% sure of is to save Stormbringer as the last of the main six book saga.
There are also two other "extra" entries: The Fortress of the Pearl (1989) (chronologically book 2) and The Revenge of the Rose (1991) (chronologically book 6), both were written many years after the main six.

>>14787401
>the one I posted.
The one you posted*

>>14787401
Well then.. I'm now left in a dilemma. Just noticed that Stormbringer was released 7 years earlier than Elric of Melniboné. It's all mixed up, it's crazy. So, what book are you reading next?

>>14787535
The reasoning behind saving Stormbringer for last is that, as it was implied by the line you quoted earlier, is the time when all comes crashing down so its impact is bigger the more you are invested in the saga.
Since I already started with the first book chronologically and plan on ending with the last one as suggested by Moorcock I will probably go chronologically with the main six and chalk up Elric's seemingly erratic behaviour to his constant use of drugs.

Anyone know any good fantasy books about (or at least involving) two radically different cultures interacting?

>>14787258
Autism isn't a catch-all for mental illness.

>>14785493
It was always like that, try to check the fantasy and space opera books that were published in the 70s and 80s, a lot of them were women it's just happen that most of those novels were standard fantasy adventures and no one remembers them now, the same will happen to these new writers in 20 years.

>>14786910
The Stars my Destination

recommend more like these

>>14787258
You can still jump into random shit, in fact it's the only way you will find a truly hidden gem.

>>14787589
Jingo - T Pratchett
Arcadia by Iain Pears has three cultures

https://www.npr.org/2011/08/11/139085843/your-picks-top-100-science-fiction-fantasy-books

>Ender's game #3

This is a joke right? Was this list made by lonely teens? If you had to pick something from card it should be Speaker.

>author makes excuses like “my child will be born soon” so that he doesn’t have to write chapters

>>14787584
I found this https://rossonl.wordpress.com/2016/04/22/how-to-read-the-elric-saga-publication-order-vs-chronology-ii/ It's a good read if you haven't checked it yet.

>>14787890
Yes, when I was talking earlier I was drawing from that and some comments I had found of Elric's fans discussing the matter among themselves.
For now I'm enjoying the first book, I wish you the same.

>>14787754
Doesn't that only really apply to used book stores though considering most conventional stores are pretty much only gonna stock what's new and popular?

i can't find shit
why are authors such fucking cucks?
i write a book by myself
how hard can it be?

>>14787890
>hitchhikers guide
>a comic book
>the handmaids tale
>le guin
>starship troopers higher than forever war
>belgariad
>sanderson
>wicked
>star wars
>le ebig book about books
>mieville

>>14787937
I'm having a lot of fun reading it. We should discuss it or even the series in the next few days.

>>14788124
I think you quoted the wrong person.

>>14785347
more like cucks of the wyld

>>14785347
reddit loves it so it's probably trash

>>14785949
no

>>14787871
>chapters
don't tell me you're reading some faggy little fan-fiction on the interwebz

>>14787696
It's this. My local main library has a fairly large SFF collection and there's a shit ton of books that probably haven't been checked out since the 70s or 80s and the last time they were probably opened were when they replaced paper slips with a digital checkout system in the early 00s. A ton of the SF is super dated "pop fiction" too, overpopulation, pollution, UFOs, etc, just cashing in on whatever the latest concern or fad is or imitating the big hits like 2001 and Dune.

There's also way too many duplicate copies of some stuff that are just taking up shelf space. L. Ron Hubbard is a prime offender, but also stuff like 5 copies of Sword of Truth or some other mediocre fantasy series from the early 90s. They need to go in and deadhead the duplicates for a lot of stuff.

If anything it's kinda sad because there's decent stuff that gets forgotten because it's lumped in with all the "The Overwrought Fantasy Name Cycle Book IX of XV: The Swords of A'Pos'Tro'phy"

>>14773138
>I may or may not have undiagnosed ADD and I can very rarely finish series, especially if they are longer than 3 books.

If you had ADD you would struggle with finishing a single book.

>>14787696
>>14788508
I suppose that makes sense, only the truly great stuff stands the test of time.
Also doesn't that also mean female writers have been trash for decades if not centuries and have never gotten better? When will they learn?

>>14788548
Yeah, it's probably just depression making it harder and harder to concentrate.

this absolute passage, I'm dying

What are some books about Con-Men and Scam-artists. I have the need to read books where people are made to look foolish or are being taken advantage of by being tricked in a simple fashion.

Fuck you clowns for recommending this trash

>>14788630
Fuck Esmi. She is up there with Adare for most hated bitch in a fantasy book I read.

>>14788700
What wrrroong?

>>14788681
The Lies of Locke Lamora

>>14788733
Read the Gentlemen Bastards before but its been a long time and I've completely forgotten about it. Thanks m8y.

>>14788681
Going Postal

>>14788700
Objectively bad taste right here.

I hope the new thread slave has his materials ready for a new chapter.

>>14789004
How about you make a new thread, friend?

>>14789055
I did my time, how about you man up and serve the general?

ALL MEN MUST SERVE
ALL MEN MUST MAKE THE NEW THREAD

>>14789223
>>14789223
>>14789223
Move along ya youseless werms, or I'll have yer hide.....

>>14788121
authors are cucks because they're not you

writing is easy go for it anon

>>14788700
The next 2 books are far far better.