/lit/ - Literature

The doesn't even mean anything. It just sounds cool. Mishima and pretty much all japanese writers are just neurotics obsessed with death that are out of touch with reality.

>>14775140
To me that is part of the appeal. Knowing he will evebtually go crazy and commit seppuku attempting to revolt in some militaty installation adds so much gravitas to his books.

>>14775196
It certainly adds "gravitas" for lack of a better term, but just since something is dramatic doesnt really mean it has any substance. Mishima just strikes me as a man who became lost in romantic fantasies of his own making.

japan doesnt have good writers

>>14775127
"Miao!"
― Natsume Soseki, I am a cat

now pic related is peak japanese literature

>>14775140
You should live your life as gracefully as if it was a line of poetry, but for that you should be able to sacrifice yourself for a greater value, giving it your blood. It wasn't that hard to understand.

>>14775346
It says nothing about life. It says "purity." my point stands. Next

>>14775266
I completely agree. This is the source of a lot of fascism in the U.S. now.

>>14775266
>Mishima just strikes me as a man who became lost in romantic fantasies of his own making.
Mishima was very unspooked, believe it or not

>>14775354
Your point stands retarded alright.

>>14775362
basedboy or female detected

>>14775127
Will to power + eternal return. Beauty you create will be for eternity. The act of creation- beauty is outside time.

>>14775127
Mishima's conception of purity was decadent, and he considered true purity decadent itself.

Really, a very interesting psyche.

>>14775140
Courage is the only non-utilitarian virtue... and modernity sucks dick. It's ugly, disgusting. If you have to relive your life in this cesspool of modernity he had the balls to off himself. Cut the nightmare short. Learn the doctrine of eternal retard.

Return*

>>14775127
I like Shusaku Endo a lot.

>>14777459
I read Confessions of a Mask because I wanted to further understand the ease of decadence in the artistic-creative drive and "decadence" itself can act as a sustenance for life. Primarily in modernity where in past times have relied upon religion.

The real great men of history however, have aimed only toward the good with their innumerable creative forces, presented the highest forms of life. Or rather beyond life, so much so life-rejecting, the religious; Dante, Bach, Mozart, Goethe, Wagner, to name a few. And now we have Nietzsche, the chief declarer of the secular, who nullifies the modern effect by his constant awareness of it, but this implies to something else, which usually finds its image in the form of God. But Nietzsche of course did not see it in such an image, and so one may question whether he ever truly nullified it. Never the less, it doesn't much matter for this whether he he could keep that other in the world we in inhabit, what has been said of him is enough for the next point. Yukio Mishima; truly unaware of the modern effect perhaps because of his place in the world, and perhaps because of his reaction to the West one may mistake that he in fact was aware, but only has to see his art to know that he was one of the few who experienced it greatest. Among the fact of his novels fitting entirely into the defining modern character of fiction; uneasiness(anxiety), he felt he was forced to create some natural destiny of himself. And this, by natures most affecting ability, he chose the conceptions of death and life, love, hate and such. He chose them within his psyche and so was impressed the artistic struggles(in being unable to explain here; the things which take creative toll on the individual man, so common a result is the "artists personality") onto these things, as well as personal character which for example included for him the vanity of the homosexual, expressed in a homoerotic idolisation of physical beauty, or the sadomasochistic sexual impulse. But overall, the attractive and necessarily tragic decadence of which he dwelled. This caused him to react against any certain purity, from what I can gather of the likes of Christianity. He may even see Bach decadently, in order to justify his value to himself. Where in he obviously cannot be understood, if one does not understand Christianity. But I suppose imagination creates reality, at least for him.

You shouldn't strive to be this man, his psyche is highly interesting, and says much on the creative process. In slight presenting that typical daemonic creativity, "daemonic" because of its possessive quality's. And creative for making use of it. Whether it's good or bad, unconscious or conscious, it is without any moral sense, and because of this the individual is often left to suffer from it. I am hardly saying Mishima had such a case, one can look at him and see he did not, but they are similar things.

>>14775127
>purity
nice spook, kiddo

>>14775196
>gravitas
comedy, more like

>>14777509
Mishima is the opposite of some faggot pomo critiqueing other people's creations. He was a creator and a man of action.

>>14777474
go back to pol. next

>>14775127
Runaway Horses was the worst entry in The Sea of Fertility but it's good normie bait for people who can't into Mishima's more prominent observations

>>14777595
Fuck you nigger. Get aids and die.

>>14777643
you reek of resentiment. Very slave-like for someone who cites Nietzsche.

>>14777537
>he hasn't read the book
Oh no. Anon, I'd also like to see Mishima as some sort of Samurai archetypal warrior-poet, like I did at first, but really he was much more flawed and his life-events were much more disappointing than at first presented. It's why most of Japan doesn't actually hold him as a hero. No matter how traditional. While silly Westerners become transfixed by the "le samurai image" and think he's really cool.

>>14775127
*ahem*
*ting ting ting*

Sincerity matters more than purity.

>>14775739
>very unspooked,
what do you base that on? he was obsessed with the concept of giving his life for an emperor or his nation. you don't get any more spooked than that. explain yourself.

>>14777664
I will rayp you.

>>14775316
You think? Try this! ;-)
https://www.gutenberg.org/files/55473/55473-h/55473-h.htm#Pathological

>>14777683
Yea. Modern salaryman jap is a chronic coomer. Who cares what they think. Mishima is inspiring youngins in the millions thanks to pewdiepie. You will know when zoomer fascist gangs will have book burnings... lampposts for pomos!

>>14777683
They don't hold him as a hero because he put their international reputation at risk. Mishima also expressed ideas that put him at odds with both political sides that existed in Japan. He was a man that fit in nowhere.

>>14777705
There was a calculated reason for why he defended that principle. His essays (which I can't find translated and are out of print) are the key to piecing together what he expressed in his books. It's safe to say that almost no one in the West understands him.

>>14777683
>It's why most of Japan doesn't actually hold him as a hero.
Fuck them. Japan is a carcass of itself, a completely American-colonized society based around consooming and wagecucking yourself to dead (literally, google karōshi). It’s completely soulless and materialistic and its a fucking shame how retards on this site worship generic soulless Japanese media and don’t give a fuck about the country otherwise. Some Japanese even knew how fucked they are – many of the people who joined Aum and renounced the world identified many of these same problems, with new religions like Aum providing a way out of the hellworld of modern Japan.

They’re a dying society and their birthrate shows for it. It will be sad when kikes flood them with brown people in a decade or so in pursuit of that endless growth. But maybe there’s a bit of mono no aware here. The beautiful cherry blossom bloomed and then will blow away in the wind

>>14775533
"Lots of fascism in the U.S. now" wut

>>14775346
>as gracefully as if it was a line of poetry
Retarded platitude.

>>14777739
>Mishima is inspiring youngins in the millions thanks to pewdiepie.
Sure, but it's only a surface level thing. Mishima wont remain so idolised as he is now when people begin to look into him. Useful does not equal a hero. Even if the use is portraying him as such. I still admire him.

>>14777804
>He was a man that fit in nowhere.
Yeah, a fag.

>and its a fucking shame how retards on this site worship generic soulless Japanese media and don’t give a fuck about the country otherwise.
Worshipping anything about Japan is gay and weabish, do you have any idea how many weabs get into Japanese culture and history?

>They’re a dying society and their birthrate shows for it. It will be sad when kikes flood them with brown people in a decade or so in pursuit of that endless growth. But maybe there’s a bit of mono no aware here. The beautiful cherry blossom bloomed and then will blow away in the wind
Go away /pol/, I hate jews and niggers and all that but please you're cringe. It's that generic soulless Westernism of modernity which makes you so adoring of Mishima and "traditional japanese spirit".

>>14778165
what do u have against Japan?

>>14775127
Ryu Murakami.

Serious question- what was the size of his weiner? He hurrdurrs like a 3 inch 1 minute man

>>14778165
Thanks for adding nothing to this thread, pseud-kun

>>14775127
Edogawa Ranpo
>>14775316
>japanese book with a cat
Let me guess, the cat dies in the last chapter.

>>14775127
>mishima
Good one kiddo.

>As it happens, Mishima loathed Dazai, undoubtedly because he owed him so much in influence. Once, he followed Dazai to a party, styling himself as Dazai’s assassin, and told him to his face, “I hate your literature.” Dazai coolly looked him up and down and replied, “And yet you are here.”

>>14779796
Based

>I waited for the chance to say the one thing I had determined to say on my way there, no matter what. If I didn't say it, there'd be no meaning in my coming here, I'd lose sight of my literary life with it. But, shame on me, when I said it, I did so, I think, in a very tactless, sneery way. In other words, I said the following to the real Mr. Dazai who was right in front of me: "Mr. Dazai, I dislike your literature."

>The disgust in which I hold Dazai Osamu's literature is in some way ferocious. First, I dislike his face. Second, I dislike his rustic preference for urban sophistication. Third, I dislike the fact that he played the roles that were not appropriate for him.

>Must a writer automatically jump into bed with his era like a whore?

>It is not clear whether Dazai emptied his cup and offered it to Mishima and filled it for him, as is the custom, or Mishima was simply given his own cup. Mishima was no drinker at the time.

>>14781305
what a petty guy

>>14777683
>he was much more flawed and his life-events were much more disappointing than at first presented.
How so?

>reading translations
lol?

>>14777484
paging Dr Freud

>>14781305
mishima is such a faggot
reminder /lit/ is a Dazai board

>>14777537
Mishima was not a man of action, he was a poser who deliberately acted in ways which he knew would result in having no responsibilities laid upon him, as he knew he was doomed to fail. He was simply more afraid of facing the fact that he was not strong enough to shoulder any responsibility, which would be shameful after all his posturing, than he was of death, which is a very Japanese conundrum.

>>14775266
>doesnt really mean it has any substance.

I think that might be the "substance". Now I've only read Confessions of a Mask and Temple of the Golden Pavilion, but he seems driven to subordinate all aspects of life to his personal aesthetics. It is intentionally vacuous, or at least it does not attempt to masquerade as anything other than what it is. A life's narrative is only complete if it fulfills that tragic sensibility he reads (or thinks he reads) in war and death and its collision with eros. It is all feeling and sentiment.

"perfect purity is possible if you turn life your life into loli pantsu with a splash of blood" ― Me, a lover of Japanese culture