/lit/ - Literature

You jest, but I wish I had the willpower and discipline to become like that

>>14735329
and how is that bad?

>>14735329
what is the purpose of this thread? please delete it as soon as it is convenient, thank you.

>>14735329
hey, thats me
except for the drink/smoking (straight edge) and books
and i dont know what the fuck a kg or km is

>>14735355
>and i dont know what the fuck a kg or km is
anglo spotted

>reading marcus aurelius
>learning languages
>trying to hit a fitness PR
>learning an instrument
>trying to better yourself in any way imaginable

>>14735329
120 kg bench damn mans a beast

>>14735329
>What be improov?
>Reverse engineer improovment
>becomes recursively self-improoving by using improovement to improov improovment
>How to improov when one is auto-motivationally self-improoving? Am already maxiprooving.
>Help others improov to improov together to improov self.
>Reverse engineer recursively mutually reinforcing improovment.
Describe the algorithms to other improovers

>>14735367
>justifying something as "try to improve yourself"
>soi
this but unironically

>>14735329
chad improover vs virgin happines pursooer

>FUCK PLEASE NO
>NOT ANOTHER BLOOD DONATION ADVERTISEMENT I CANT DO ANY MORE
>IM- IM GONNA IMPROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE (the lives of others) AAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>14735329
>5% body fat
vanity is not character

Self-improvement is masturbation. Now self-destruction is the answer.

>>14735384
chad doesn't need to improve, he need only exist

>>14735377
one way to improve yourself and this board is to filter soi-jaks

>>14735391
Self-improvement has an element of self-destructivity of one's habitual being. Indeed it is a form of sacrificing the activity of the present self for a future self, for yourself as an other. What I do today I do to nourish tomorrow.

>>14735412
>one way to improve yourself
did you even read my post? not interested

>>14735420
You don't wish to grow beyond the limits of your present habits of thought and behavior? Because there is always a higher level to be aspired towards. Treat the subject of understanding yourself and your world with the deepest sincerity and personal responsibility and you will go as far as you can.

>>14735329
Literally me what the fuck

>>14735347
Improving yourself without a goal in mind is just hedonism. You improve to derive dopamine from the sense of improvement, you're no different from chronic masturbators, drug addicts and other happy feels chasers. Moreover, vain self-improvement probably stalls you from finding something truly important to you in life, as you clutter your mind daily with meaningless exercise and useless skills, giving it no time to feel the mother of all creative endeavours - boredom. Don't even get me started on the corrosive, prideful effect of constant self-backpatting on your character.
Improving is good, obviously, but apply it carefully and with intelligence. Learning a language to read some author, or increase your employability? Great. Learning a language because you just feel like it? Supergay.

>>14735347

The problem is you think you're improving but you're really just grinding away mindlessly at what you think you're supposed to do to live a good life.
It's not until later and with much foresight that you realize you haven't actually gotten in touch with yourself at all, developed a unique personality, or lived life on your own terms.

>>14735464
>increase your employability? Great

>>14735464
What if my goal is to pick up hot chicks for le fug?

>>14735360
in the uk it's only boomers/genx and their children raised with a distrust of the eu/state/school that are wilfully ignorant of the metric system, it has been commonplace for decades, taught in school, and is practically forced upon you if you enter the trades or certain professions
t. metricated eternal anglo

>>14735458
>present habits of thought and behavior
theyre just fine, thanks for the concern
what i was trying to say with my post is that purposeful self-improovment is like the midwit tier of personal accomplishment: there are people who drink and smoke and eat like pigs and wageslave 6 days a week and jerk off six times on the 7th, and there are people who lift and look great and have mentally stimulating employment and are knee deep in pussy and cash, and then there are the midwits, the people who have the good sense to want to be like the chads but werent BORN chads, theyre just posers, they want to be great, but the chads just ARE great. its kind of sad, in a way
really the best thing to do is to do what you want because YOU want to do it, and if you end up a chad then thats fantastic, and if you end up an omega, at least you arent a poser

>>14735418
Haven't thought of it like this. Nice.

>IS THAT A WESTERN CANON NOVEL?
>HOLY MOLY IS THAT A PHILOSOPHICAL WORK ON METAPHYSICS??!
>UUNNNF IS THAT SOME CLASSICAL METRIC POETRY FROM THE ROMANTIC PERIOD????
ARRRRRGH IM GONNA....HHHHHNGG...IM GONNA GET.....CULTUUUUUUUURED

>>14735464
>Learning a language to read some author
OH MY GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD YOU HAVE TO READ PROUST IN THE ORIGINAL

>>14735489
>using chad/alpha/omega terms unironically.
You got psyop'd by 4chan.

>>14735508
normalnigger detected

>>14735489
holy cope

>>14735517
what am i coping with?

>>14735513
This website as a whole functions effectively as a massive psyop / disorganized cult, and you've bought into whatever morons here yell about the loudest.

>>14735525
this is a really dumb post

>>14735503
Never said anything of sort, mein negro, merely highlighted the importance of setting an end goal. I myself am bilingual only out of ESL necessity, and do not judge monolingual anglos because strictly in terms of practicality they have no reason to learn another language.

>>14735464
>mother of all creative endeavours - boredom
Mother of all shitposting endeavours you mean

>>14735418
> the Hero's Journey
When will this jewish psychoanalytic meme stop?
Eastern works described all of this and much more millennia ago. And without destructive, pessimistic, defeatist notes.

>>14735391
Anything can be masturbatory, but you're better off doing beneficial things than self-destructive ones
Your behavior is masturbation too

>>14735355
> i dont know what the fuck a kg or km is
ofr course, since improoving is protestant in essence

>quite drinking

>>14735520
Your inadequacy

>>14735529
OK CIA

>>14735464
You sound like a fucking idiot. An intelligent and well-spoke idiot, but an idiot nevertheless.

>>14735529
You are a really dumb motherfucker. You are so fucking stupid, you don’t even know how stupid you are. Even this post is fucking useless because dumb motherfuckers like you can never see their stupidity until maybe some catastrophe happens to them, or they die, if even that. Wow, you are dumb.

what does /lit/ do for a living?

>>14735938
browse /lit/

>>14735464
Recovering improver here. I did a non-stop improvement kick for 2 years as a means to recover myself after a 3 year bout of intermittent mania and psychosis. I never would have stopped if my life circumstances hadn't changed. The improvement life was a positive, but the "purpose" part was missing. Improvement for improvement's sake is not a purpose. I've been in a period of total degeneration for 6 months now and it has done wonders for actually wrestling with and answering the question of purpose. When the weather improves I'm going to start on the improvement lifestyle again only this time improving won't be the core of my drive. My improving doesn't need a destination because I've made peace with the insecurities that drove me to improve in the first place. I am no longer dependent on improving for defining my worth.

>>14735464
>improving yourself? ummm how is that going to help your boss?
>improving your employability? much better

>>14735468
>It's not until later and with much foresight that you realize you haven't actually gotten in touch with yourself at all, developed a unique personality, or lived life on your own terms.
How does one get in touch with himself and develope a unique personality? Asking unironically

>>14736072

Well that's kind of the point isn't it?
When people do all that stuff and think they're improving their lives they're just following a recipe. And just like following a recipe what you make isn't truly your own is it.
But for that other stuff there is no recipe.
You just have to try and struggle with it and that's what living really is.

>>14736072
Step one is realizing that the state of insecurity is universal. Step two is identifying how much behavior, your own and in others, is being driven by this negative source. Step three is acknowledging your insecurities as valid and reshaping your relationship with them from negative to neutral. Only when your mind is mostly clear of cyclical haunts can you progress towards becoming anything other than a reactionary flighty bird.

>>14736190
>Step three is acknowledging your insecurities as valid and reshaping your relationship with them from negative to neutral.
I think I have step one and two down, but how do I reshape my relationship with my insecurities from negative to neutral?

I only read Homer.

>>14736244
I don't have a "good" answer here. For me it was a period of regression that worked. Perhaps there is a positive way to reach that state too. I had to reduce myself to nothing but my insecure traits and get comfortable with them. Integrate, accept, and acknowledge them. Now I feel like I can grow beyond them, but I am also content being the least of myself I can tolerate. By that I mean you don't perversely pursue degeneration for degeneration's sake. It's all about detoxing shame from yourself instead of just covering it up with industrious cope.

>>14735919
is this what people mean by "seething"?

>>14735938

Btc tenant

self improval is inherently counter intuitive and only makes more problems once people realize they're not happy with the benchmarks they once set and now achieved. it's brainletcore and a solid filter. pursue happiness and ascension.

>>14735329
I absolutely hate all these damned wojaks with open mouths and stupid grins. Stop it, you shame your family with this crap.

>>14735464
Oh my God JAJAJJA this better be bait, is glorious.

>>14736623
>self improval is inherently counter intuitive and only makes more problems once people realize they're not happy with the benchmarks they once set and now achieved.
no, this is only if people are unrealistic and obsessive
setting reasonable goals for yourself and achieving them is great for you
>pursue happiness and ascension.
define each of these and explain how to pursue them then, O Wise Sage Anon

>>14736826
>doesnt know how to pursue happiness
i think there's just something wrong with you

>>14736920
>can't define it or explain the process
you're a pseud faggot who thinks he can get away with being preachy on the internet about how achieving self-set goals is wrong and to just "pursue happiness" whatever that may mean, even though for each person such a thing is different and the process will not be the same at all

>>14735464

What kind of backwards ass cope is this?

>>14736926
im not that guy you were replying to, i just thought it was weird that you needed him to define what pursuing happiness means
its means doing things that make you happy, which is not the same as doing whatever you want to do, because thats hedonism, doing something impulsive and short-term for a quick release of dopamine or whatever. pursuing happiness means leading a life that makes you happy, even if youre not happy at every given instance of that life. when you clean your room or wash your penis or w/e, its not because you enjoy doing those things, its because thats what you need to do to lead a happy life. if you have to read a book in order to know to wash your penis, then washing your penis may not be something that you personally need (like you said, i dont know you)
if you read a self-help book and then enjoy the actual process of improoving, youre doing it wrong. youre not supposed to enjoy the improovment process, what youve done is what that other anon (the guy you were replying to) described, its masturbatory, youre backpatting your self over how virtuous you are for washing your penis when youre not suppose to be enjoying it, you supposed to be doing it because for a lot of people thats what needs to be done in order to lead a happy life, its not sustainable to get high on your own farts while trying to improov, because eventually the high will wear off and youll just fall back on your ass
if you actually, genuinely enjoy doing an activity that could be classified as "improovment" (exercising, learning a language, you dont drink or smoke, etc.) then thats great, but those arent the kind of people that usually try to "improov"

>>14736978
>he doesn't enjoy washing his penis

>>14736992
i do, i guess, but it was more of an allegory
i dont drink or smoke, i exercise daily, and im learning a new language, but i dont enjoy any of those things (especially the language can be a fuckin chore some days)
i dont drink or smoke because i dont have friends
i exercise because at the beginning of this month i was 5'9 215 lb (down to 205 this morning) and i kept getting winded walking across campus
and im learning a language so that i can hopefully one day leave burgerstan forever and get myself a waifu

>>14736978
then why'd you respond?
note that I never said "I don't know how to pursue happiness"
my questions were addressed to him, since he asserted the importance of "pursuing happiness and ascension" which I've still yet to see any explanations of yet from him

>>14737041
sorry to interrupt

>new foreign language
Yeah, I already know 3 and now I'm learning German. One of the reasons is to read some German philosophers.

>read 50 books
The quantity doesn't matter, but I try to read at least 1 hour per day. The books that I enjoy the most are about philosophy, classical literature, religious symbolism, psychotherapy, neurology, Darwinism etc.

>I don't smoke nor drink

>trying to run 4km
Ofc, the healthier the body, the healthier the mind and the spirit.

>doesn't care about anything just wants to improve himself
Self-improvement isn't an end in itself. The real goal is to transform your potential in reality and be virtuous through habit, and self-improvement is the way to achieve this higher goal.

>>14737027
That sounds like "improoving" (these -oomer memes fukken suck) to me. Or at least the exercise and language-learning do. I have serious doubts that anyone exercises, learns a skill, or decides to kick a bad habit just because they feel like they "should" in order to live some abstract good life or to meet a loosely defined level of achievement. People enjoy learning things, and working towards goals. Why waste mental energy trying to set yourself apart from people who are doing the same thing you are for reasons which are probably similar? So much of the cynicism here seems to spring from the desire to feel unique, which might be one of the worst things to want. And for the record, drinking alone is great.

>>14736978
When you do something such as reading, exercising etc in a completely genuine way consistently, it's inevitable that your brain will reprogram itself to start enjoying doing these things. This is how any habit is formed.

>>14735329
>4k run in 20 min
that is not even impressive....

>>14737074
>I have serious doubts that anyone exercises, learns a skill, or decides to kick a bad habit just because they feel like they "should" in order to live some abstract good life or to meet a loosely defined level of achievement.
i think youre dead wrong. just look at the OP picture: who the fuck made that? how far up his ass do you think his head was when he did?
>>14737083
im not sure about that, it certainly becomes more tolerable, but enjoyable? ive been taking showers for two decades but if a genie made it so i would never become dirty again and always smell good, then i probably would only ever shower occasionally, actually i would probably only take occasional baths from then on (you can read in the bath!)
>>14737127
its all relative, a 10 y/o could probably count on his pubes the number of people itt that could run 2.5 miles in 20 min

>>14736623
>pursue happiness and ascension
That is what is attempted when self-improvement is being done. Some NEETs don't like living in their own filth and being depressed, so they try "self-improvement" to get their way out of that hole.
>>14735418
>What I do today I do to nourish tomorrow.
So you are endlessly investing, and for what? Will you ever reach a state you a satisfied with to stop?

>>14735464
I've never seen something so wage cucked. So good goyed. The cope.

Noooo you can't just do what you want you have to have a good reason according to meeeeeee

>>14735391
improve yourself to destroy everyone

>>14735531
>practicality
Absolutely plebeians. You disgust me. Chemically castrate yourself immediately. I'm sure your libido distracts you from your busy schedule of fellating managers.

>>14735464
Everyone I know falling for the improover meme is some double digit IQ Rogan-Petersonite. It's just another surrogate activity for them, it's a way to keep them distracted from the crushing responsibility of having autonomy over their time. Note that every single improvement endeavor is something where they are being told what to do by someone else. Learning another language? This means having someone tutor you. Learning a martial art? same thing. Working another job on the weekend? Bossman telling you how you spend your time. Even reading (usually audio books) amounts to uncritically soaking up what Rogan/Peterson/dan carlin/solzhenitsyn/whatever other trendy midwit meme is saying like a sponge.

These people all have boomer worldviews despite being zoomers. The have unwavering faith in neo-liberal propaganda. They are mildly upset over trannies, just as they were mildly upset over homosexuals in highschool whom they now embrace wholly and completely.

"Improving" means you can live on auto-pilot as your brain catches all the muscle memory and shit. It keeps you busy so you never have any time for meditation. It's just another pathology of the hyper-peasant slave caste phenomenology.

>>14737191
>just look at the OP picture: who the fuck made that?
Some memer here, obviously. I really don't see how a meme template like this can be said to reflect reality or the inner lives of people in any meaningful way

>>14737283
Cope more.

>some double digit IQ Rogan-Petersonite
I don't care about IQ, but since I got two engineering degrees with top notch grades, I'm sure that it's 3 digits.

>Learning another language? This means having someone tutor you.
I learned French using Duolingo, then I moved to France and lived there for 3 years. Now I'm learning German using Duolingo + the book German for reading.

>Learning a martial art? same thing.
I just exercise at home, doing the exercises that I like.

>Working another job on the weekend?
My other job is investing my money and trading.

>Even reading (usually audio books)
lmao audio books aren't even real books. I read everything that has relevance and has survived the test of time.

>"Improving" means you can live on auto-pilot
No, meditation makes me extremely conscientious and aware of my mental state at any time.

>It keeps you busy so you never have any time for meditation
What the fuck are you talking about? Meditation is self-improvement for the mind. Writing my diary every day also increases my awareness.

>>14735329
>does nothing all day only improves
this is deep

>>14737317
Neurotic fantasies of your life as an improover. Did you ever stop and consider how much a caricature your post paints you as? I hope this is self-aware and supposed to be bait.

>>14737333
It's not bait. Cope more. I'm only 23yo btw.

>>14737310
the picture was very obviously made with unironic intent
and i get that hes just one guy, but i just wanted to illustrate the kind of person whose existence you were skeptical of

>>14737339
Honestly you're just digging yourself a hole here. Be satisfied with your life and quit trying to prove yourself to people on 4chan

>>14737340
>the picture was very obviously made with unironic intent
Nah, man. What's that old saying? "Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact."

>>14737361
>Be satisfied with your life
But I'm satisfied. Not because of anything materialistic, but because I'm always doing what I think that is right instead of doing what is expedient. You can self-improve too bro.

>>14737387
I'm saying that you should stop arguing with these stupid fucks who you will never be able to win over and just reap the benefits of your lifestyle

self improvement is self hatred
improvement is bending other people to you, not the other way around

>>14737283
Bitch what the fuck are you talking about:
Aristotle's Virtue ethics is literally about improoving, as is Plato's Republic.

Self-improoving, if it is actual self-improvement, is a good.

The problem is when people are improving towards the wrong thing: but that is not a problem with improvement per se, but rather with their understanding of the good (because unfortunately our culture has a pretty diseased sense of the good)

>>14737416
Self-improvement is an eternal state of becoming over the vastly superior being.

>>14737430
In the world of becoming, you have to keep moving just to keep your eyes steadily fixed on being.

>>14737398
I think that you misunderstand. I want to inspire others to seek improvement and also explain that you should seek improvement because it's something that everyone know deep inside that it's a meaningful thing to do, it's not about "delay of pleasure". If they are in a reading board, then they are probably already reading books, which is a very good starting point. I don't want to win any argument, I want to help them. But I think that you have a point, my approach wasn't the best and didn't reflect my intentions, so I'll just leave.

>>14737339
>I'm only 23yo
>only
Lmao I accomplished all of that and more by the time I was 19. Cope more.

>>14737458
I meant "win over" in the colloquial sense, as in "inspire them to improve"

>>14737458
>I want to inspire others to seek improvement
i think taking advice from strangers on a vietnamese civil war reenactment forum is stupid and there is nothing you can possibly say to me to convince me otherwise
if you somehow manage to win over any anons on here, please know that you are leading a herd of retards

>>14737473
I'm happy for you.

>>14737317
>I got two engineering degrees
boy i sure hope neither of them are electric because that would be yet another retard i have to share my field with

>>14737490
Weak coping mindset.

>>14737538
Pessimistic autism mindset.

This is unironically the funniest thread I've seen in a long time. I did not realize people who could be duped and demotivated to this level could articulate so eloquently their grotesque, self-aggrandizing complacency.

>delayed gratification is a form of hedonistic indulgence

I can see how you might think that, if your cognitive process has been conducted through saturated-fat-stymied neurons since prepubescence. This is the kind of deluded Christcuckeryesque thinking of the coomer who says "I could quit masturbating if I wanted to, so I don't have to. " Well, my auto-theist. How do know your capacity to improve exists if you've never seen it? Where's the evidence of your superiority?

>>14735347
IT'S NOT
It's just a funny meme

>>14737361
>Nah, man.
heres another one >>14737701

>>14735717
>jewish psychoanalytic
Wtf
isnt this just the good old story circle? The one countless writers for TV and books use?
Seriusly /pol/fags have the most retarded way of labelling things
>When you are so much delusional about jews you project it into everything

do you people even enjoy life? i think a lot of peoples self-improvement is spurred by insecurity and neurosis rather than genuine passion

>>14737796
I think you are either fully or at least partly wrong

the perfect being cannot be improved

>>14737796
to be fair these people probably have quite a lot to be insecure about

>>14735975
Best post itt. I'm also going through a degeneration phase after a protracted period of improoving. Not only am I coming to terms with my insecurities, but degeneration itself as a normal and healthy aspect of being.

>>14737904
>degeneration itself as a normal and healthy aspect of being
i like being a bit of a degen, but mostly because deep down im a contrarian and i like doing anything that isnt normal
not to say thats entirely why im a degenerate, just why i like it

>>14735464
>increase your employability
Bugman detected

Why can't you niggas all just be friends.

For me, Im just unhappy if I dont do things to improve myself every day. So I have to do it so that I dont feel bad and depressed

>>14735975
Thoughtful post but for me overcoming insecurities is integrated with my self improvement, for example making daily efforts to shift my perspectives about my social discomfort.

>>14737283
>It keeps you busy so you never have any time for meditation.
You made a good post; it became good right here. I'm tired of going from activity to activity, not paying attention to the life I'm living right now.

>>14735329
>trying to run a 4k in 20m
What the fuck? That's easy as fuck. I can run an 18 minute 5k and I'm so out of shape I can't do more than 10 pushups. How are you struggling to run a 20m 4k?

>not wanting to become powerful and live up to your full potential
AWWHHH FUCK IM IMPROOOVING

>>14737904
What do you mean degeneration is healthy? What qualifies as degeneration?

>the improover falsely equates his surrogate activity with a genuinely meaningful and helpful task

>>14735464
>or increase your employability? Great. Learning a language because you just feel like it? Supergay.
You were so good until this point, delivering a legit criticism on the obssesive "improvement mindset". As other anon has already pointed out, the problem with the improoover is that he forgets or avoids to life the know, prolonging the preparation time to confront his true goals and dreams.

This improverfag I went to high school with has started his own brand.
I won't tell you the name but it's so fucking autistic, you'd see it and go "No this nigga can't help anyone let alone himself."

All of his social media posts over the last 6 years have been about losing weight, how handsome he is, "improove," "I have so many haters because im improovin"

And quite literally everyone that I know who also knows him wants him to fucking kill himself.

>>14737283
>soaking up what Rogan/Peterson/dan carlin/solzhenitsyn/whatever other trendy midwit meme
Dugin too

>>14735503
this, except unironically

>>14737473
What are you doing now?
Now that you are a being and not a becoming anymore, has your life finished yet?

>>14737209
>That is what is attempted when self-improvement is being done.
This, sefl-improvement mindset in a strict sense must have a reachable end.

>>14735464
>why do thing >:(

>>14737283
>surrogate activity
Stopped reading there, get fucked tranny

>>14735464
i wish i had replied to this post agreeing with it before all the retard impressionable bugman got it it

>>14735495
heh

>>14736281
In greek I hope

>>14738301
Healthy in that it's normal. Aging, decline, regression etc.

>tfw I tried treating reading Plato and the Stoics as self-improovment material

>>14738759
Read NEETche and listen to the Black Dr Phil lectures.

>>14735391
I appreciate the Fight Club reference

>>14736072
STAY AWAY FROM SOCIRTY AND PEOPLE IN GENERAL FOR A COUPLE MONTHS, STOP SEEEKING VALIDATION

>>14737209
The world is in a state of constant change. Ever-present becoming defines our reality. Read Heraclitus. "No man steps in the same river twice". There is no end-state. This mode of being suits us.

>>14737247
This is good.

>>14735464
Bunch of nihilist hedonists responding to this. Good post

>>14735329
Drunk on a cocktail of social media technology and hyper capitalism, the
fussiness of women and expectations of social performance are at an all time high.

Meanwhile in a frenzy of hermitesque gaming fantasy escapism, actual male social performance is at an all time low.

The net result is an insurmountable chasm between expectation and performance which is resulting in the complete alienation at a societal level of the non-elite male sexual agent.

The response from these males has been a something akin to the Marcusian "Great Refusal", where instead of rising to meet these unrealistic social expectations, the common male agent is utterly refusing them as false and not aligned with their personal desires whatsoever.

In a clash between the manufacturing of a hypersexualized male product meant to capture that adoration and material consumption of the female agent, and the actual reality males find themselves living in, there seems to be a rebellion developing in what exactly it means to be a man in this new age of internet living; one where you can either consume self improvement products and identities at a dizzying pace, only to probably miss the ever moving target of market driven female expectations, or resign yourself completely to a sexless and recognitionless existence as a cyber exile separated from any access to his sexuality whatsoever outside of his own consumption of pornographic products and toys.

This, however, will never fulfill the needs of either party, for recognition from a legitimate other. Alienation will intensify for both types of sexual agent, as their one way consumption of sexual products has capitalist social media and pornographic companies absorbing their much coveted recognition and attention, rather than sharing it with one another

>>14735717
Carl Jung wasn't a Jew. Jews aren't inherently evil. It is merely many, many bad eggs in the carton trying to subvert our countries.

>>14739801
>Jews aren't inherently evil.
t. Moshe

>>14735360
>anglo
Few Americans are Anglo and every Anglo country adopted it in the 70-80s. However, many Anglos know and use both, don't mistake this for a unified system because each have their own units in use under the same names as the entire world once did until it discarded their traditions.

>>14738592
Kaczynski being a tranny is Hitler being a one testicled afro-jew tier propaganda. It's the type on nonsense only the willfully foolish would buy into.

>>14735329

So many improoovers that became that way only after a break-up (including myself).

You'll show her anon. May you cross paths again, show her what she's lost (hopefully financially successful and attractive bodybuilder) and mog her husband.

>>14737317
I wouldn't like to meet you at all.

>>14737473
I did it at 17 lmao kill yourselves, like, who doesn't learn Chinese by age 6?

>>14737430
you can "Be" when you're dead

>>14735529
>>14735525
In fact, it is decent IQ post, this guy managed to look through the veil of imageboards.

Really fucking tired of this meme format. gen z can't meme

>>14738443
This gave a hearty chuckle anon.

Anecdotes would be appreciated.

this thread is glownigger psyop

>>14735464
I can't believe people are having trouble with understanding this post.

>>14735464
My only goal in life is to sleep with as many women as humanly possible
Check mate

If you need to improve it never even began

>>14735391
Life is masturbatory

>>14737283
okay loser lmao

>>14740365
imagine the smell of the person who wrote this

>>14740470
What does Chad smell like?

Whoever made this obviously never lifted weights or ran.
5k in 20 mins is okay, 4k in 20 is mediocre at best, if you aren't fat you could do it in a week or two of training.
How is 120kg bench, which would take most untrained men >2 years to achieve
w/o being fat in anyway comparable to a 20min 4k.
You are a /fat/tie, not the /fit/izen that you are pretending to be.
>t /fit/ midwit

>>14735464
>only improving for employability

Being an improoover is the only way you can turn yourself into an entity that can mold the world. Whether you are conscious of being in the inprooover state and if you actually do something with the reaped mana are entirely different questions.

>>14735329
https://discord.gg/4KHymZZ

>>14735464
Too redpilled of a post for this board.

>>14740955
It is not the place of mortals to mold the world. Action undertaken for the sake of vanity leads nowhere good.

>>14735355
Burgerland need to partitioned between Russia and China so that retarded imperial units can be abolished.

>>14740005
that guy was a retard, his only argument was that i was using 4chan lingo on 4chan
how could he possible see through this website when he couldnt even see through me using the word "chad"?

>>14740365
>Bro you weren't born a NPC with a certain built-in program just stop trying LOL, better luck next life

The only thing I like improoooving is my memory. I used to be into mnemonics, but this type of memory didn't feel "authentic" to me, so I went back to good ol' fashioned rote. I like memorizing poems and historical trivia.

>>14735464
Just have to say that "self improvement is for cucks" is my favorite new meme

>>14737317
>engineering

Once I've reached peak improovement, what do I do then?

>>14740365
savage
completely wrong, but it is savage

>>14741576
what? are you calling people that improov NPCs now? are you trying to be more like an NPC?

>>14735525
kek
good post Anon
god ur so right. im still trying to deprogram myself after years of r9k,
the they vs us normie mentality is pretty hard to shake

YES! ME HILARIOUS! ME POST FUNNY PICTURE 21 23 25 YEAR OLD DOOMER COOMER BOOMER IMPROOVER! LOOK ATT MY REFINED HUMOUR!

>>14735329
I was that.
Just remember that you will get caught. Injury, Educational gatekeeing in emerging fields, injury.
Raskolnikov was right from page 1. Strong men create laws to keep the other crabs in the bucket.

>>14735464
holy based

>>14741117
Fahrenheit is better for describing the weather

>>14742749
no

>>14742761
>fewer degrees of variation isn't necessarily less accurate
Yes. Celsius is approximately 2.12 times worse than Fahrenheit for small scale measurements. Great if you want to know important ancient rule-of-thumb knowledge, like what temperature water boils at sea level.

>>14742822
>2.12
212-32=1.8 times worse
or more accruately, farenheit is 1.8 times better

>>14737247
The true redpill

>try to lose weight
>get down to 295lbs from 300lbs
>weight goes back up to 298lbs

aaah I'm gonna deterioooooooorate

>>14742822
Wrong. The freezing point of water is the most important temperature point in the universe (for human beings), and Celsius conveniently places it at zero degrees.

>>14742938
the benefit of higher precision outweighs the disadvantage of having to remember that water freezes at 32 degrees

>>14738370
based and Kaczynski-pilled

>>14742919
fluctuations like that are meaningless, weigh yourself less often

A little late to the party but improving often stems from our insecurities and what we see as shortcomings. A higher spiritued being doesn't concern himself with such minutiae, he does what he wants and sees fit for him.
The key difference here is the intention.

>>14743176
>The key difference here is the intention.
this, a lot of people itt dont seem to understand why the intention and purpose matters so much, and that is a large indicator that, to them, improoving is a largely materialistic endeavor

>>14735464
>>14735464
Being this jaded about people helping themselves makes you look petty and dumb. Help yourself for your own reasons, not because some cuck on 4chan defined the framework for what constitutes improvement.

>>14735391
you're not supposed to agree with Tyler desu

>>14735391
Self improvement is the fundamental flaw of people, we believe that anything we do could be done better, or that anything we do could achieved higher by other people. You are just you, remember that, and that other people could never understand the world from your perspective.

>>14735464
deep down everyone knows the goal is to get laid

>>14737027
>i don't have friends
Please anon tell me more about happiness

>>14742749
>>14742982
No. Having the water freezing point at 0° is far better than being more precise. There's not that much of a difference on weather between 34°C and 35°C

>>14743703
having friends is for bugmen
>>14743623
>Help yourself for your own reasons, not because some cuck on 4chan defined the framework for what constitutes improvement.
youre so close to understanding what that guy meant

>>14737283
> a good (god ?) post in a bad place...

>>14743712
i respectfully disagree

>>14743713
Very seriously, don't you see the value in friendships? How can it be dismissed as "bugman"? You're arguing against every philosopher of antiquity.

>>14743751
I have (what I think Aristotle called) "situational acquaintances", but I dont drink with them (or really voluntarily spend any time at all with them)
I have two people still in my life that I would call genuine friends, but we dont drink together, it's a very low iq pastime
I said it was bugman because the idea that you need to go out and spend time with retards getting shitfaced in order to be happy is 100% NPC tier

>>14737063
got any recs on religious symbolism? sounds interesting

>>14743777
I see. I agree with you then anon. I value my friends very highly, and place much trust in their judgement. I do enjoy drinking and doing drugs with my friends, and I do engage in low iq activities with them, video games etc. That said I can understand your position, but it saddens me that an industrious person like yourself doesn't infect others with their worldview.

>tfw drunk and shit some on my bathroom floor
So this is the adult life

Losers trying to make other losers who trying to be better feel bad about wanting to get better: something you trully can only see on 4chan.

>>14743807
>I do enjoy drinking and doing drugs with my friends, and I do engage in low iq activities with them, video games etc.
if you enjoy that and are happy with your life as a whole then thats all that matters
>an industrious person like yourself
ive made like 20 posts itt can i cant remember all of them, but what exactly makes you say this? or are you being facetious?
>doesn't infect others with their worldview
in order of descending probability: i have nothing of value to share; people dont deserve it; i have and they do
>>14743845
>feel bad
this is why people are making fun of you for improoving: youre too easily influenced

>>14743888
Well you said you were learning languages and going to the gym so I consider that industrious. I was in a situation similar to yours (super skelly mode though) and went through a period where I became unsociable. I don't intend to be facetious and I believe that you just have not yet reached a point of improoving that has convinced you that you are a worthy friend. Many low iq people can be a marvelous insight into the nature of man. Plunge fully into life!

>>14743970
>learning languages and going to the gym
well that may be true, but that doesnt mean i would be a worthy friend, in fact i think a lot of people would find me quite insufferable if i was as open to them as i am to myself
thank you for the inspiring words, tho, fren
>Many low iq people can be a marvelous insight into the nature of man.
that is something i have yet to experience, i have solely found low iq people nothing but infuriating when doing anything more than shooting the shit with them

>>14735329
How do I tell whether I'm an improover or I just have hobbies? I do some of the things on the photo, like learning a new language, but I don't follow any schedules, I've never spend a cent on tutors etc. (for 5 years of learning I can still only read basic literature and shitpost on /fr/ generals on /int/)
Same with instruments etc. ?
I don't go to the gym though

>>14744163
do you do those things because you personally want to, or because you think that youre a better person if you do them?

>>14737404
based

>>14735329
I like the contrast with the cooker of the thick beard and head of luscious hair

>>14744402
is that mel gibsons beard?

>>14735391
self-destruction is the most masturbatory thing however.

>>14735464
Thought this was going to be more interesting by the number of replies, I'm disappointed.
Also, this>>14743690

>>14735350
This gentle way to say "delete this" should increase its frequency on this board

>>14735384
Aristotle says the happiness pursuer is the improver. Resentment culture has flipped the dichotomy, where the overweight outcast that ingests Harry Potter is the "true" and the fit and intelligent is the false.

>>14735329
4km in 20 min is embarrassing
t. 16:30 5k

>>14735464
you're smoking crack.

>>14744618
But can you also bench 120kg? If you can’t do both I agree it is embarrassing

>>14737404
good point
although I am curious how well you manage to live it.

>>14735347
You can't improve infinite with finite lifespan

>>14735464
Based and redpilled.
I wouldn't trash self improvement though. I had a phase like this for three years and I don't regret it, would do it again. Most people start with more or less unconscious nihilism today. A period of self improvement is a good transition to more meaningful pursuits.
For 95% of people (still including me) the alternative is not monk VS improover, it's doomer/coomer vs improover.

>>14745942
If you improve an infinte amount in a finite, lifespan, then you can improve an infinte amount in a finite lifespan.

>>14743651
Why not?

>>14746438
You won't be producing stuff for Shlomo, Traybon and Stacey to enjoy.

>>14737283
I like how the Atlantic article on Rogan came out less than a month ago and everyone's already acting like it's ALWAYS occurred to them to say things like "Rogan-Petersonite"

>>14741950
Jeff?

>doing anything
AH AAAHHHH...
I'M DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOING!
I'M A DOOER!

>>14738007
underrated.

>>14735975
great post
/thread

>>14735329
I’m 20, and, I think I just might have quit smoking yesterday.

>>14735390
Genuine self-confidence lubricates the gears of cognition. You're able to think more deeply and expansively, more quickly, to enter a "flow state", when there aren't constant little bursts of anxiety and insecurity popping the bubble and derailing the train of psychoemotional experience

>>14746380
A self-improvement phase is the worst; as in just accept the limits of self-improv.

>>14746782
thats really good to hear, anon
i hope you make it

>>14738468
as usual, the real questions remain unanswered

>>14746795
vanity is fueled by insecurity. hitting the gym, if anything, exacerbates the issue

So, basically, it all comes down to having sex?

>>14746844
Yes

>>14746844
It all comes about being loved, you get a whore for dirt cheap if you want to fug so much

>tfw almost 29 and banging a hot 17 y.o. on a regular basis

What exactly is the alternative to improooooving? Oh right, smoking weed and cooming. I think I'll stay an improooover, thanks.

>>14740365
The only truth itt

>>14747001
My condolences

>>14735489
>and if you end up an omega
>omega
This isn't a commonly used term here on 4chin fren, i think you need to go back.

>>14739750
Based effort post summarizing entire thread gets ignored
Typical

>>14740365
One of the things that happened to humans over the course of evolution is our almost complete loss of DNA-ensured instincts. This was necessary to allow the further development of the brain, achieve higher, abstract thinking, and most important, the ability to learn. Humans are very much born as blank slates, any kind of alpha-beta-genetic-destiny rhetoric is pure broscience.

>>14747001
Based, I admire that. How'd you meet?

>>14747076
hi fren!
the thread is going in a nice direction now, so please dont post unless you have something worthwhile to say
thanks!

>>14739750
I would read a book about this written by you. Do you have any recommendations?

>>14747152
on facebook

>>14739750
cool story, bro

google says this is pasta

>>14737063
>The real goal is to transform your potential in reality and be virtuous through habit, and self-improvement is the way to achieve this higher goal.
Shut the fuck up nerd. You are literally describing self improvement for it's own sake.

>>14735329
>he can't run 4km in 20 minutes
do "people" like this actually exist?

>>14747009
That impulsive hedonism is just improoving in a different direction to the conventional one. You are admitting dissatisfaction with your life and want to improov it by filling it with empty pleasures.

>>14747419
whats with all the skelebros itt? only faggots would think running away is impressive

>>14747419
>>14738195
>>14737127
>>14740711
>>14744618

I can only do 4k in 30 min, and at that pace, I'm dying at the end.
>inb4 just move your legs faster lmao

>>14747431
run at a more comfortable pace and focus on just increasing your distance rather than speed. if you do this consistently the speed will come naturally

>>14747428
>t. speedlet

>>14747421
>That impulsive hedonism is just improoving in a different direction to the conventional one.
Dude where's your argument?

>>14747428
Real athletes have strength AND stamina

I'm 30 now and my poor health and bad habits will likely kill me before I strike 50. What can possibly motivate me to improove when death is already starting to loom ahead? Let someone else do the sisyphus and imagine himself happy, I'm fine right there at the bottom reading books and sipping gins, in the end there are no geniuses in graves, only dumb cold rotting corpses.

>>14738443
>dude tries to improve his life
>fatass can't cope and talks shit
You deserve bullying...

>>14735329
based and improvepilled

>>14735343
Start small. Willpower, virtue, and discipline are habits.

>>14744618
There’s always someone faster out there niqqa
t. 15:55 in HS

>>14747141
Go to the nearest schoolyard to realize just how wrong you are.

>>14735472
Years later when youre driving around in that shit car with your family and you look over to someone your age driving a better car and living a better financial existence, then you will know..

>>14748584
But on the other hand, I have a family and he just has his toy car

>>14747419
>hes not fat sleazy hedonist
I pity you

>>14746664
>I like how the Atlantic article on Rogan came out less than a month ago
I have no idea what you are talking about. I have personal anecdotal experience of the "improver" type of subhuman being acolytes of Rogan and Peterson, If this is a widespread phenomenon I wouldn't be surprised.

>>14746664
>I like how the Atlantic article on Rogan came out less than a month ago
The only recent article I remember talking about Rogan were the ones making fun of his HGH gut.

>>14748584
The insecurity you feel is only a problem of self

>>14748584
This insecurity of yours sounds like a personal problem, Anon

>>14735464
>I-it it is has to be practicaaaaal stop bettering yourself heeedonist


Stay mad loser, I look and feel great while your only source of joy is failing at looking smart on a dumb image board forum for nerds. Ciao.

I see no wrong in wanting to improve yourself if you see that you have something that is detrimental to yourself. I want to be satisfied with what exist that is my own.

pretty clear that some here don't want others to self-improve. Either because they are paid to, or because they feel like they need to for whatever reason.

>>14735464
Ah yes. Next time I want to start a creative pursuit I will stop and think: "will this help my employability?" I wouldn't want to deprive my boss from making 0.00004% more widgets for consumptoon

anyone who talks shit on self improvement hasn't actually done any self improvement regardless of what they claim. Why on earth should one feel bad about having a better understanding of their physiology and world languages? There's literally nothing negative about this even if it was done goalless.

>>14735464

>You improve to derive dopamine from the sense of improvement

You need to read the chapters 'Despisers of the Body' and 'Preachers of Death' from Thus Spoke Zarathustra.

Literally EVERYTHING you do in life, even the most grueling challenge, is for the benefit of some form of future dopamine/serotonin etc.
What's the alternative? Doing literally nothing, inflicting pain on yourself, killing yourself? Because 'at least I'm not a slave to dopamine and serotonin'??

>clutter your mind daily with meaningless exercise

lel you know how I know you've never lifted? Proper exercise, especially lifting, has the opposite effect, it actually helps clear your mind, and can give you a creative mental boost.

>>14737283

>it keeps you busy so you never have any time for meditation

haha are you fuckin serious, how is 'bro just clear your mind and live in the moment' not the pure essence of neoliberalism?
And why can't I do both? Don't a large majority of those health and fitness e-celebs promote meditation too?

>>14735480
We still use the imperial system more though. And Canadians are still generally familiar with imperial even though they’re supposed to be more metricated.
Hell, I’ve even been to a market in Italy where someone was shouting about his wares in old measurements (not sure which.)

>>14735329
would you guys think that learning to play the piano without any other purpouse than to know how to play it would be an improover?

>>14735464
>Learning a language to read some author, or increase your employability? Great. Learning a language because you just feel like it?
What if I want to learn Latin so I can read Latin books to improve my Latin?

Checkmate retard

>>14735464
>Improving yourself without a goal in mind is just hedonism. You improve to derive dopamine from the sense of improvement, you're no different from chronic masturbators, drug addicts and other happy feels chasers. Moreover, vain self-improvement probably stalls you from finding something truly important to you in life, as you clutter your mind daily with meaningless exercise and useless skills, giving it no time to feel the mother of all creative endeavours - boredom. Don't even get me started on the corrosive, prideful effect of constant self-backpatting on your character.
summoning the spirit of kant
>Improving is good, obviously, but apply it carefully and with intelligence. Learning a language to read some author, or increase your employability? Great. Learning a language because you just feel like it? Supergay.
accidentally chanting the wrong phrase in latin and summoning steven pinker instead

>>14735329
How is your picture a bad thing?

Improving is good, but improving mindlessly is waste of time. The case is - you should think for yourself what do you need to do and what work for you. A lot of people instead of improving themselves and trying to reach certain goals are just mindless drones listening to their guru or cult that preach to them about new must do practice to blindly follow.
If you are blue-collar worker, what use will you have from hitting the gym after 8 hours of work.
Listening foulishly about what you need to and how to live from a man that lives in totally different country and continent.
Even things like no-fap should be thought on personal level - if you masturbate to much and it bothers you then practice no-fap.

>>14752132
Strength training is a must because it not only increases physicality but also promotes wellness, fitness, and nutrition. More than half of strength gains is related to nutrition after all. Healthy diet creates a healthy mind, etc. Plus strength is always a necessity and will always be needed, not just in terms of good looks but also in terms of everyday use and practicality. I agree that most people don't have realistic goals, but part of setting realistic goals means understanding implications of your action.

>>14752137
I agree with pursue of health and in this case by physical training.
>"Strength training is a must because it not only increases physicality but also promotes wellness, fitness, and nutrition.[...]Healthy diet creates a healthy mind..."
I totally agree with this and would also add to this that it increases self-confidence and theaches us self-determination.
Physical training is nearly always useful thing to practice.
But as i said, everything we do, we should take into consideration if it's useful for us.
If we work as blue-collar worker carrying heave bags and digging holes with shovel for 8-12 hours a day then going to a gym will propably just do us harm.
But it doesn't mean person like that couldn't plan healthy diet for himself and try to live healthy life. Person like that, instead of hitting the gym could use earned money to go on courses or try to educate himself so he can try to change workplace where he could live the life that allows him to whatever he wish - like hitting the gym after work.
So, my point is, there are a lot of practices that help us in a lot of cases (like physical training), but we should always think are these things helpfull or harmfull in reaching our goals.

>>14740365
now that's some omega shit right there
>imagine never having imposed your will on reality
>imagine never having overcome adversity
>imagine your only source of brief respite from the crushing disappointment of your existence being (You)s on an urdu pottery mailing list

>>14747870
talk to any high performer in any field to realize how wrong you are

>>14735329
it should be improomer you illiterate fuck