/lit/ - Literature

>>14733665
They are saving face; you don't have to read an entire book to realize that.

>>14733665
Rich people have been supporting socialism for a long time. It's not like it's communism.

>>14733665
Most of these billionaires are self-made men, and still have some small ounces of pity for their old station in life, not the soulless old money 19th century communists were dealing with.

>>14733665
any of you who buy their crocodile tears are idiots
they turn socialism into marketing tools for their companies so they can take your money to keep doing the exact opposite
literally wolves in sheep's clothing, who need a good old fashioned French surprise

>>14733665
more control over the populace. they will be the ones in control, and thus they will have more power.

this, plus they want to quell potential revolutionary impulses (more control).

but it's also because they are vain, and they want to be seen as saints and heroes or the environment and society. when one get's bored of making money, one looks to politics. they know they will still have millions and millions of dollars in the "socialist" world they help create.

>>14733721
more like soulless ayn randdroids who would sell their own mother to make a buck

>>14733721
Does that contain a typo? Anyway. Socialism hurts small to large business more than giant corps. They will do just fine under socialism.

>>14733736
What about Carnagie?

>>14733729
THIS.

>>14733729
this

A slightly higher tax is well worth thier continued monopoly on global power/influence.

They’ll all support stuff like gay marriage and other things that don’t affect thier bottom line because those methods of dividing and atomising the Working Class are becoming less and less effective (and in fact now the opposite is true, Ruling class backing oppressed groups like LGBT is creating a divide and turning sections of working class away from others)

They will never back actual socialism. Any attempt to challenge private property will be met with extreme prejudice. In fact any changes to give ANY privileges/power to Trade Unions will probably get stopped in its tracks. Changes to Healthcare/Education systems most capitalists can bare, unless you make your billions off of medical bills or student debt, they won’t really notice.

>>14733751
they are neoliberals. they still are capitalists, but they also believe in their own brand of ‘social services’. also, getting rid of private property wouldn’t necessarily be the best way to approach the solution of poverty. obviously, the state needs to find a solution for this and corporations shouldn’t be ruling as they are now but I don’t believe removing private property is where that starts.

>>14733729
>>14733733
None of these 'socialist' billionaires will ever talk about actual tenets of socialism, like workplace democracy, profit sharing, or nationalised means of production. It's only the American caricature of socialism, a massive welfare state where the entire economy is still privately owned but they hand out bread and circuses to keep the proles happy.

And this increase in welfare spending means a larger and more powerful government, which is of course controlled by the billionaire class. So 'socialism' espoused by bourgeoisie politicians is really just about increasing their power by twisting people's anger about economic conditions.

>>14733665
the protocols of the learned elders of zion

but i haven't actually read it, that was just jokes.
what isn't jokes is that they're making a one world state you dummies. the way you do that is aggregate everything into one centralized authority through technology and destroying every other source, like nation states for instance. it's called communism but the name doesn't matter. it's all about incremental movements towards putting the masses in a place where they will be sick and unable to change things. that's the end of history that will probably happen unless God or something does something
also don't go vegan ffs

it's more than money, they have enough money.

>>14733807
The young fucks need to wisen up and work on their PR game. Older fucks like Buffett and Gates have spent billions to advertise their "nice guy" image. In the event of the return of the guillotine Gates and Buffett will be spared by the hordes of dipshits who bought their propaganda. Even if these younger Zuckerberg and Bezos types actually push on issues to try to lessen the inequality pressure to keep things running smoothly, they won't be safe from the guillotine.

>>14733665
Because they are soulless goblins who will all be sent to work camps until they starve

>>14733807
this.

>>14733721
>self-made men
the only self-made man here is Bezos and he's a massive piece of shit. Bill is "self-made" but he comes from an upper class (though not 1%-tier) family. He used to be like a mafia boss when he worked at Microsoft. I guess his free time after stepping down gave him time to reflect and decide to help the world with his billions
>>14733816
>what isn't jokes is that they're making a one world state you dummies
yes I'm sure China will unify with the EU and US any minute now

>>14733665
>increase public dependence on government
>government assistance involves doing business with your owned properties

>>14733665
Marx unironically did, although not explicitly.
These billionaires are starting to realize how automation is threatening the capitalist mode of production, if you replace the working class with machines there will be no wages left, thus no consumers for the products your machines will produce.
That's why you see UBI being pushed by the elite, meme "leftist" candidates like Andrew Yang will be the new norm hijacking left-wing revolutionary politics in this century, it's basically their way of turning us into cattle whose only purpose is to give them back those UBI bux in consumption, which will make sure their hold on capital is preserved even without wage labor.

>>14733665
>socialized policies
>absolutely none of which endanger private property ownership or allow collective bargaining of the working class
?
Insisting the government needs to give everyone 1,000$ a month to buy your shit isn't really socialism at the end of the day anon.

>>14733864
UBI is just the best case scenario, since the growth will not be through human labor, population control and eugenic policies will definitely be introduced (e.g more children means less UBI money...), dystopian novel case scenario they just genocide the entire working class.
the future looks bleak

poor fat americans are a valuable economic vector
a free doctor is not socialism

>>14733845
>>14733859
Behold! A dipshit appears.

>>14733889
Why? If there is no working class, there is no problem.

>>14733980
why hello there, Jeff Bezos

>>14733665
Yes, Society of the Spectacle by Debord
mainly because of this >>14733729

>>14733665
Everyone who was "cool" supported communism during the cold war.

>>14733665
The welfare state is not socialism.

>>14733665
Adorno

>>14733665
Ah, that has an easy answer: they're not.

>>14734013
what's this? A /lit/ poster who sees through leading, thinly veiled /pol/ questions? Must be zionist a jew.

>>14734013
/thread

>>14733665
The Culture of Critique

>>14733706
You and I don't, and neither does OP since the question is really manipulative political advertising--like half the posts on this ridiculous billboard disguised as a forum. But for those who do, that's what canonical drama is for, and has been for from the outset.

>>14733665
The bourgeoisie needs to sustain stable social conditions in which their businesses can continue to thrive. It's been known for a 100 years now that lack of "socialised policies" leads to social unrest which at best means a lot of lost profit and at worst means the end of bourgeois society.
>I don't think Marx could have possibly explained it.
Because you don't know Marx.

>>14733751
>thier

>>14733665

Here you go anon

>>14733721

Bill Gates literally wants to cull the population of poorfags lmao

>>14733721
>self-made men
if by self made men you mean CIA asset then yes.

>>14734818
not more than they want to cull themselves.

https://www.christianpost.com/voices/why-do-christian-women-continue-to-have-abortions.html

>>14733859
Ah yes, Bezos the self-made billionaire who makes money of government contracts and subsidies for cloud services provided to intelligence agencies. Spoiler alert: amazon.com has never been profitable in its 2+ decades of existence.

>>14734818
Bill Gates Jr the philantropist, son of William Gates Sr. the reknowned eugenist who worked on the founding board of the eugenic program Planned Parenthood. Truly the beacon of light in our world.

>>14733665
>Socialism is the fantastic younger brother of almost decrepit despotism, which it wants to succeed; its efforts are, therefore, in the deepest sense reactionary. For it desires such an amount of State power as only despotism has possessed, indeed, it outdoes all the past, in that it aims at the complete annihilation of the individual, whom it deems an unauthorised luxury of nature, which is to be improved by it into an appropriate organ of the general community. Owing to its relationship, it always appears in proximity to excessive developments of power, like the old typical socialist, Plato, at the court of the Sicilian tyrant; it desires (and under certain circumstances furthers) the Caesarian despotism of this century, because, as has been said, it would like to become its heir
Frédéric Niche

>>14733850
Baaed Maoposter back at it again

noooo these people don't deserve their billions they got it given to them! zuckerberg and gates and bezos were born into rich family! everything was handed to them on a silver platter! oh yes i do have facebook, i use my microsoft os daily and am subscribed to amazon prime but noooo capitalism bad!!!!!!

^^ lmao leftists

>>14735079
Yes goy, one man deserves to be worth over a hundred billion dollars because he just plain works thousands of times harder than those dumb cattle in the working class

>>14733816
The one world state will collapse under it's own weight. All wrought from ambition is vain and transient.

Oh yeah, I'm sure they care when they put millions out of work.

>>14735095
It's not about work dumbass, it's about value. If a billion people buy Microsoft Windows, then everyone of those people voluntarily gave some of their earnings to Gates for his contribution.

The working class, at least in my country, get free schools, free healthcare, free welfare etc. which is paid off by those that earn well above median income, so it's not like they're starving or anything. There is nothing immoral about capitalism in a social democracy. It works. Instead you seething fags want to risk it all for another go at socialism.

>>14733665
It's nothing new or noteworthy. Bismarck introduced healthcare and fucking nazis gave workers a day off.

Oligarchs aren't idiots and recognise that the current insane levels of inequality creates angry people who could get rid of them in a day, hence the masses need crumbs thrown their way. It's not like a single ones of them has any intention to change the system, just making it appear a bit more bearable.

>>14733868
that is why I used the word "socialized" and not "socialist", retard

>>14734818
Nooooo you can't tell africans to maybe pump out slightly less babies than they do right now! This is genocide! Class war! Why are you trying to prevent crisis???

>>14735231
Yes, goy, a couple dozen men deserve to have more than the bottom 50% because people buying their shit means they're just that valuable

>>14735231
This is like claiming that a drug dealer is beneficial to society because they've created value for their addicted customer base.

>>14733665
the answer is Guenon(pbuh) go to the general to find the way

>>14733816
>the protocols of the learned elders of zion
The Toronto Protocols

marx did talk about it explicitly you nigger
>capitalist class is charitable out of self-interest; it gives nothing outright, but regards its gifts as a business matter.

>>14733665
billionaires fucking hate variance

Politics is about power. If you think socialism would decrease, and not increase, the amount of power these people have you need to be a little more skeptical of reality, and a bit more intelligent with your definitions.

Capitalists using socialism and communism to take out capitalist competition at any cost

>>14735907
>>14735901
Yes, if you buy something and make someone richer, it's your choice. The reason communism fails is because leftists like you think you know what's best for everyone so you set up dictatorships to enforce your views. You're the scum, not these business men.

>>14736541
I mean, most of those businessmen are Jewish, and there is no such thing as a good Jew.

>>14735079
>oh yes i do have facebook, i use my microsoft os daily and am subscribed to amazon prime
I don't do any of those.

-- Sent from my GNU/Linux machine

>>14734963
>www.christianpost.com
>>14734985
>planned parenthood
>the same as eugenics
this entire thread smells like /pol/shit. MOOOOOODDDDDSSSSSSS

Did I slip into some other reality? No, they are not trying to lose grip on the means of production. But the rich are definitely okay with reform since it leaves them in their current positions. They will begrudgingly allow capitalism lite, only because the dialectic at play is becoming too apparent along with its inherent contradictions for regular people to handle. This has already started to swell up in a few countries with current protests.

>>14736576
lol? Planned parenthood is an OVERT eugenic program set up to control african american population. They were explicit about it from the get go. Bill Gates Sr, a known eugenist, was part of the founding board of planned parenthood. You are a brainwashed politicized anglo, quit posting.

>>14736576
>MOOOOOODDDDDSSSSSSS please save me from these bad people who are thinking unauthorized thoughts, I'm being triggered by the crimethink!!1

>>14733665
>Socialised policies billionaires
Mass immigration = more labor offer = lower wages = more profit.
Welfare society: is not paid by taxes on Capital gain, but by taxes on wages and VAT. So wagies pay for socialised poliices. Not Pic related.

>>14733807
shut it down

>>14734488
>that's what canonical drama is for, and has been for from the outset
explain?