/lit/ - Literature

>>14697722
They are all literally snake oil salesman and ofc poorfags will buy into their bullshit. USA will forever be ruled by the rich.

>>14697722
>politics is serious stuff
wao

none of them can defeat Trump. michelle obama would 100% win but i doubt she wants the job

>>14697928
I kind of want to see Putin and Michelle Obama mud wrestle.

Who would win?

>>14697722

>>14697722
Even Bloomberg admitted that Bernie would have beat Trump in 2016. Every betting pool puts Bernie ahead because unlike Hillary, he has the Midwest support to BTFO Drumpf. The problem however is that he will either be screwed out of the nom (the DNC is hiring Buttigieg staffers as "voting managers" in Nevada, Warren will split his base, Bloomberg is spending almost a billion on ads which will come together in a first round with no clear winner following which superdelegates can fuck him over) or he will get Corbyn'd (corrupted by neolib shills into saying stuff he shouldn't and losing his aorking class support; he's already giving Russia crap lip service)

And if somehow neither of the above happen then he will be incapable of doing shit without a yellovest-esque movemebt to get in the streets

>>14697722
>Trump the Kantian before he completes the system of German Idealism
Can someone explain this meme to me? How the fuck is Trump a Kantian?

>>14698623
I think Bernie said that if he gets elected he would go on the streets and rally people. Seems p based.

>>14697722
Not sure but I'll be voting Bernie. Under Trump national debt has increased. The cause? Tax cuts for the rich and military spending. So we're literally amassing more debt, paid for by the dwindling middle class, so that we can further enrich the rich. All that new debt could have gone towards improving infrastructure or healthcare or really anything.

>>14698705
>debt bad

>>14698705
Voting for a 79 year old man is the definition of lunacy

>Mutt politics
No one cares since 2016

>>14697928
>she

>>14698623
>Even Bloomberg admitted that Bernie would have beat Trump in 2016.
Even Trump admitted it,
https://soundcloud.com/the-daily-beast-politics/lev-parnas-audio

>>14698575
Fuck I ship Putin and Michelle sooo hard.

I want them to have a political marriage to combine the houses of obama and Putin and have them become the comonarches of the united principlatities of America and the Holy Tzardom of Russia.

>>14698731
But voting for a 74 years old man isn't?

>>14698792
Who said I was voting for Trump? I’m not going to vote at all if this country can only serve up putrid geriatrics like Trump, Warren, Biden, Sanders, Bloomberg, Clinton...we live in a Depends dictatorship

>>14698731
>>14698792
This is just the symptom of a decaying culture. It's like the Fisher King story, the leaders represent the land. The culture is decrepit, bereft of the spirit and life it once had, just like its leaders. Boomers were a generation that believed the neoliberal lies of infinite growth and progress. They aren't like the elders of old: they have no guidance, no wisdom to pass on to the younger generations, and they also refuse to pass on the torch. Hence why we have octogenarians running for president

>>14698705
The US can afford debt because the Dollar is the strongest exchange currency worldwide. Unlike Obama, this ain't debt for banalities like payouts on his Wall Street buddies and Obamacare. The problem is his idea of the wall is idiotic if they don't seal a proper trade deal with Mexico and Canada. Mexico sure as shit can't pay the wall even if they get an embargo. Plus he now has to deal a good trade deal with the UK who will not take shit now that they literally cucked the EU out of a deal.

>>14698731
Under normal circumstances I would agree, but it's the definition of sanity when that 79 year old is a better candidate than the rest.

>>14698650
Can't express a complete thought.

>>14698575

Michael

>>14698705

Open borders here we come

>>14698650

Newfag

>>14698718
>>14698807
My point wasn't that debt is bad. In fact high debt levels often correlate with a higher standard of living, and virtually all austerity plans have been massive failures. The point is that he's putting us into more debt for a bad reason. The hundreds of billions of extra debt has gone to the billionaires who are buying back taxes. If we're to increase national debt I'd rather we do it to Make America Great Again. Start fixing our crumbling infrastructure, raise wages, fix the healthcare system or higher education system. But we should we go into further debt so that Bloomberg can have 60 billion instead of 50?

>>14698731
I respect my elders.

>>14698830
Are you implying Trump is gonna win again?

>>14698843
>If we're to increase national debt I'd rather we do it to Make America Great Again. Start fixing our crumbling infrastructure, raise wages, fix the healthcare system or higher education system.
I assume that low unemployment, better living standards and all around improved economy don't mean shit to you. Those things, when done to increase the debt, just pile up to be unpayable and make economies crash (See: Spain, Argentina, Portugal, Ireland). The problem is that the main issues on healthcare and education derive from the US government having so much influence over them that whatever thing they do ends up fucking the general population up (Obama allowing massive raises on all premiums and insurances before passing Obamacare).

>>14697722
Go back to /pol/
A complete system of German Idealism is what communists have been trying to achieve for the past century
Arguably Hegel already achieved it and liberals are trying to apply it to politics

>>14698830
lol we have had an open border for a long time

>>14697722
>Sleepy Joe
Narcolepsy inducing political dinosaur. Only appeal is in the vague reminiscence he brings to mind of Obama for the people who liked Obama
>Jewberg
Oligarchal demon spawned from the same satanic matrimony of business and politics that begat Trump. The bid is completely off key; nobody wants for president, tone deaf

>Pete Buttsex
An entirely constructed candidate meant to representing a progressive (he's gay!) front while presenting a center-right status quo agenda. An illusion; possibly doesn't exist and is only a simulation.
>Literally who
There's no chance for this woman to become president
>Bernie "BS" Sanders
This uncharismatic grump may bring a much needed corrective to hypercapitalized American politics, but the very party he is seeking nomination from plots against him at every turn and will move heaven and earth to prevent him from becoming president despite the overwhelming popular support

>Mr Yeah, good, ok.
Another tone deaf, utterly superfluous candidate who thinks his money translates into political relevance. Doomed to failure

>Middleschool teacher lady
Bernie-lite, unable and unprepared to handle Trump's bullshit storms and diversions, an impractical moonbat
>Mr neetbux
Too rational for American politics. Rationality cannot drive the emotive impulses of the soundbite driven and scandalized media machine that powers reality-tv politics. Math will only get you so far in this carnivorous, predatory blood orgy

>>14698705
>So we're literally amassing more debt, paid for by the dwindling middle class
That debt will just be rolled over.
>so that we can further enrich the rich.
Any growth will disproportionately benefit those who have easier access to credit.
>All that new debt could have gone towards improving infrastructure or healthcare or really anything.
What you're seeing today is just asset inflation. People are feeling good because their net worth is increasing on paper. Building infrastructure or investing in healthcare requires actually spending money on real labour and bidding for materials. If instead of just inflating the value of assets you tried to build things you'd face different constraints.

>>14698807
Any country with a floating currency can manage massive debt levels. Just look at Japan.
"Wall Street" is doing even better today and seeing greater returns because you're getting some stimulus from tax cuts. Obama tried to do stimulus but was mostly blocked by congress.

>>14698873
Employment and living standards have been moving in the same directions since the early 2010s. Kind of weird example of countries there. Those countries aren't exactly monetary sovereigns. FFS Argentina is a prime example of neolib retards getting massively indebted in borrowed American dollars.

>>14698873
If living standards were better the suicide rate wouldn't be climbing and Trump's approval rating would be higher. What we need is more high quality jobs, not more part-time gig work. Stealing from the middle class to give to the rich isn't going to improve our country. We've still got a homeless problem, millennials are fucked by student loan debt, fewer people are now insured, and Trump's over here talking about wasting money on a space force.

>>14698927
>Any country with a floating currency can manage massive debt levels. Just look at Japan.
That's dismissing Japan problem of becoming one of the strongest currencies in the world in a short span, which derived to a massive deflation. Japan only prints to level their deflation and makes debt that's mostly internal and completely manageable.
>Employment and living standards have been moving in the same directions since the early 2010s.
Not quite, economy under Obama stagnated. He was lucky that it jumped because, well, the US is a massive economy that couldn't live in a decade-long recession and several areas grew massively after the bomb that detonated on Bush (could've been anyone who had to face the housing crisis, not just him, Bush fucked up by pumping the Irak war in the middle).
>Those countries aren't exactly monetary sovereigns.
Spain was the holder of the biggest gold treasury in the world for centuries and despite that they managed to blew it away, rack up debt and be on hyperinflation if it wasn't that the EU saved them.
>FFS Argentina is a prime example of neolib retards getting massively indebted in borrowed American dollars.
Neolib don't exist, specially not in Argentina that took debt mostly to cover their own common expenses like healthcare, higher education, infrastructure. Add that plus populism and corruption and you get a debt you can't afford to pay. In fact, the last government took debt to pay their incresing social welfare system with promises of reinvestment which they never did.

>>14698950
>If living standards were better the suicide rate wouldn't be climbing and Trump's approval rating would be higher.
That has no correlation. Look at Finland having the "highest" living standards and also highest suicide rates in the world. All the problems in the US derived from the government being in the middle of everything. Not one candidate can or will fix those problems, just kick them out of the curb for another 4 or 8 years.

>>14699013
>after the bomb that detonated on Bush (could've been anyone who had to face the housing crisis, not just him, Bush fucked up by pumping the Irak war in the middle).
Are you high? It's entirely the early-aughts conservatives fault for the housing crisis. They passed laws in the late 90s forcing the banking industry to give loans to poor people, then the regulations on how those loans could be given were relaxed in the aughts. You're right that it's unfair to say Obama 'fixed' the economy but it's horseshit to pretend like this was just something that would have happened naturally. It's the same for student loan debt.

>>14698950
Not him but suicide rates are actually some of the highest in the most "prosperous" countries. Trump supporters are just going to point towards unemployment rates being lower and household net worth being higher. Ya those are important quantitative factors you'll need to understand, which definitely has a lot to do with public debt levels, but you're right to move to the qualitative realities [actually everyone's quite fucked up and maybe the price of corporate stock is overvalued and may suffer a big decline when people start thinking differently].

>>14699013
Japan's managing pretty good despite any dooms day talk.
Please actually cite for me some FRED charts for America, cover the whole 2010s, and pinpoint when the transition from stagnation occurred.
When it comes to the EU, yes they are the problem. Also owning a bunch of gold is meaningless when shit really hits the fan [see Venezuela].
Wouldn't you call Macri administration neoliberal? They bet on foreign investment which never materialized. Why would you need to borrow American dollars to pay for doctors or teachers? Show me how those dollars went towards welfare programs please. They didn't, they were playing a stupid old fucking game of conducting relations in a foreign currency when totally unnecessary. They issued bonds denominated in dollars when they didn't have to.

>>14699054
>late 90s conservatives are to blame
Ah yes, who could ever forget famed conservative Bill Clinton

>>14697722
Bernie is fantastic. But lets not forget that we are still engaging in fruitless electoralism

>>14698731
79 and yet the best

>>14699079
>Please actually cite for me some FRED charts for America, cover the whole 2010s, and pinpoint when the transition from stagnation occurred.
Depends what exactly you want to see. GDP can be easily manipulated, if we talk about industrial growth you can see it stagnates and now starts to peak again with Trump (not entirely thanks to him, it's just that he applied a tax reform at the right time and investment made the whole thing boom). Exports can also be seen as stale throughout Obama's government and start rapidly growing under Trump, then again, if you want to balance that with imports you may say that the US imports far more than what they export (some see that as a bad thing, others as a good thing, there's really no consensus on it.)
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/INDPRO
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/EXPGSC1
>Wouldn't you call Macri administration neoliberal?
No, I don't believe the term neoliberal even exists. It's mostly a boogeyman or a buzzword that's meaningless since liberalism never re-invented itself. Macri was a keynessian with aspirations to be an Obama in a destroyed economy but forgetting the fact that Argentina is not the biggest economy in the world.
>They bet on foreign investment which never materialized.
High taxes, ridiculous labour laws and extorsion didn't help either.
Why would you need to borrow American dollars to pay for doctors or teachers? Show me how those dollars went towards welfare programs please.
The website is shit and doesn't allow me to link anything useful here, but pic related is their public spending and see how much it grew in the last 4 years. Argentina has been using debt to pay budget deficit, and lately they used most to pay their interests (which it didn't cover, so they had to print) and then pay more social welfare. There's more here (if you understand spanish): https://www.telam.com.ar/notas/201910/404427-gobierno-nacional-presupuesto-2019.html
They didn't, they were playing a stupid old fucking game of conducting relations in a foreign currency when totally unnecessary. They issued bonds denominated in dollars when they didn't have to.
That's true, no one can deny that, but they never once decided to decrease public spending, specially considering that their currency is weak and volatile to the hyperinflation. Then again, they decided to use public spending as a short-term solution than to cut it as a long-term more viable solution.

>>14698623
Bernie has no place as a world leader if he can't stand up to the people slandering and openly conspiring against him.
Him campaigning for Hillary was pathetic. He's gearing up to do the same shit now and push hasn't even come to shove yet.

>>14698864
Stop posting this when he's explicitly said yes to open borders since people brought up the wrongthink from 2016.
Literal gaslighting.

>>14699330
Did you actually zoom in on the past 10yr on those FRED charts because you must be misreading it? There's no change in trajectory. You can't pinpoint where stagnation started or stopped.
If you don't like the term neoliberal then maybe you prefer liberal. I don't know how you can describe the policies there as "Keynesian" since it makes no sense. Decreasing public spending wouldn't magically decrease their foreign denominated debt that was built up trying to attract foreign private investment. If you think they needed American dollars to pay public employees or citizens you're wrong. Argentina can't "print" dollars to pay that off all those liabilites either, they're stuck with it outside a default.