/lit/ - Literature

>>14690612
Won't happen until you will feel too tired to even think or move a finger and you will only have schizo thoughts after fapping. That's when you will get angry at yourself for doing something so self destructive and will be on the path to quitting.

>>14690622
Are there actual studies though? other than self reports?

Stop reading pseudo science
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_pornography

>>14690703
B8

There's nothing wrong with fapping. It's porn that's poison for you. Just fap to your imagination once in a while and you won't have a problem with anything.

>>14691622
The retard /r/nofap logic. Masturbation and sex are both responsible for physiological side effects, most notably the elevation of stress hormones and the sudden withdrawal of vassopressin. This is why you cannot memorize as well following orgasm and if you've ever noticed an intensive study session where masturbation or coitus interrupted it a few times, then recall of events learned or even acute focus at the time was seriously impaired. The idea that masturbation is harmless alone yet, somehow super dangerous with porn is retarded. If you do subscribe to the idea of pornography addiction, then it's even worse to return to masturbation with no stimuli, because you're just reinforcing your old memories of porn which always culminates in lasping back to it anyways.

The best advice is to reduce the frequency of porn use and resort to non-hardcore static images, and resolve to reduce the frequency of masturbation. This is the only winning strategy for those who want to be free of this worthless habit once and for all.

>>14691699
Once a week is ideal. Gotta empty the pipe once in a while

>>14691699
>acute focus is seriously impaired when you're masturbating

Thank you for your deep research sherlock

Porn is shit because it distorts your view of sex and can impair your relationship with real women and will make you crave more extreme stuff all the time. If you masturbate to your imagination once in a while that won't be the case. Less hardcore and static images and all is also a good compromise. But what you're really acting on is the porn you're watching, not masturbation itself.

>>14691699
>if you've ever noticed an intensive study session where coitus interrupted it a few times
h-heh heh, y-y-yeah I hate when that happens haha

>>14691727
Neither the seminal vesicles nor the scrotum are are bladders, their contents are being recycled faster than they can be expelled. It is possible to go years without release, to no ill effect.
>>14691770
The relationship between arousal/activity and AVP is well documented. The relationship between AVP and memory is well documented. It's a reasonable hypothesis that sexual activity modulates it so as to undermine faculties related to cognition and memory.

As for the last part of your post, I don't particularly care, and is useless in reply to my post. You are making a moral and social argument.

I read somewhere that Aleister Crowley masturbated about 150 times a year, and yet he still had gnarly magical powers. no-fap btfo

>>14691849
>I read somewhere that a literal brainlet masturbated about 150 times a year, and yet he still was a bald nobody that wrote a couple of pseud books.
the absolute state of cumskulls.

>>14691906
>a couple of pseud books
>a couple
Dude, the guy was superhuman levels of productive in his creative output. He churned out book after book: poetry, fiction, occultism, literary criticism, mountaineering, journals etc. It's actually insane how much this guy wrote.

>>14691929
>Dude
Stopped reading there.

>>14691957
Nice cope from someone who has probably not even written one book.

>>14691770
what about fapping to obviously fictional stuff on Literotica?

>>14690988
>noo my unsourced opinions are true!

>>14691699
>>14690703
>>14691727
Animals in the wild don't masturbate, including human beings.
Masturbation in all forms is a cope the animal uses to deal with his captivity, and in the long term worsen the animal's health, like cocaine use does
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/12/where-masturbation-and-homosexuality-do-not-exist/265849/

>>14692218
Life, in the long term, worsens our health.

>>14692224
>nooooooooooo i can't stop touching my dick don't make me feel guilty about it!

>>14692224
Might as well use IV heroin with that attitude.

>>14692218
Hey if you wanna live like an ape in the woods be my guest, man.

>>14693187
>if you don't masturbate you're a nigger!!!

>Once a week is ideal. Gotta empty the pipe once in a while

What does that even mean? You masturbate for a health benefit? Or you use a cute saying to justify your collapse to an addiction you swore to defeat.

I once didn't fap for 12 hours. Not worth it.

>>14690612
there are no good literature because (((publishers))) just arent interested in the subject, there are probably some internet blogs and youtube videos but most of them are lame. The no fap feel is simply impossible to convey in words. There is nothing that will convince you before hand to do no fap. You just have to bite the bullet and do it, see for yourself if its worth it or not.

>>14693584
It means he is illiterate of basic anatomy and reproductive function.

>>14693674
I've gone for 1 week-10 days before without fapping for various reasons (sometimes I was too busy, sometimes I wasn't even feeling horny) and I have never noticed any magical superpowers or anything of the sort.

Reducing frequency if you are addicted to it and waste tons of time every day just watching porn and fapping is great, dropping or at least severely reducing porn and focusing on healthier sex urges is great too to help with finding a partner or being happy with them. But other than that, if you feel like wipping it out for a ride every once in a while nothing bad is gonna happen. Most successful people, writers and everything, were married and had sex and most likely masturbated like every human on the planet. You're just finding snake oil for placebo "my mind is expanding" shit.

>>14693941
>Reducing frequency if you are addicted to it and waste tons of time every day just watching porn and fapping is great, dropping or at least severely reducing porn and focusing on healthier sex urges is great too to help with finding a partner or being happy with them. But other than that, if you feel like wipping it out for a ride every once in a while nothing bad is gonna happen. Most successful people, writers and everything, were married and had sex and most likely masturbated like every human on the planet. You're just finding snake oil for placebo "my mind is expanding" shit.

I have done myself for months at the time, I know all about it, this thread is about no fap, advice about reducing frequency is irrelevant and not required

>>14694021
The thread is about nofap in general, if OP wants to be convinced only then he doesn't need convincing cause he already made up his mind.

>>14694054
then dont give shitty advice how or why to fap less frequently

>>14694099
For all the mind clarity that nofap is supposed to bring you seem like a whiny faggot still

*dabs on you*

>>14692184
It's worse than porn because then your linguistic faculties start to associate words with sexual arousal instead of writing or being productive, hypofrontality sets in.

This is all very interesting, but I think the thread topic was "where can I find books/studies" on the topic, and it almost appears as though it's turned into another /fit/ squabble.

>>14692218
They also cannibalize themselves and eat their own shit but whatever floats your boat dude

>>14691727
I find the way I feel after nocturnal emissions to be superior to the way I feel after masturbation. I think your body does a better job of clearing itself than your conscious self does.

>>14693584
My favorite was talking to a friend who said masturbation reduces the risk of prostate cancer while he was overweight and smoking a cigarette.

>>14695099
It's ironic because frequent masturbation and even frequent sex in one's teenage years and 20s, are associated with an INCREASED risk of prostate cancer.

What food I should eat if I want to have colorful dreams?

>>14690612
Not jerking off is literally magical. I don't care about the literature. Read The Coiled Serpent if you need to. All creative energy is sex energy and vice versa. There is a reason artists, sages, mystics, theologians, and philosophers throughout the ages have all come back to this vital point again and again. Dante, Cervantes, Michaelangelo, Tesla, Newton, St. Paul, and the Master himself, JC. If you're spilling your seed it better be inside a girl you love and can support. But even that is for the lower tier. You could literally be pulsating with energy right now if you would just stop watching porn and jerking off

>>14695187
>Not jerking off is literally magical. I don't care about the literature.
All you needed to say really. Sums up the anti-intellectual nature of nofap.

>>14693290
You're the one who made the appeal to nature, not me. Go nuts dude. Shrive off your man-made clothing and civilized accoutrements, nobody's gonna stop you.

>>14695211
Dumb somatic. Not based, sorry

>>14695187
based

>>14695233
Yeah sorry, I am immune to cult brainwashing.

https://endsexualexploitation.org/wp-content/uploads/NCOSE_SymposiumBriefingBooklet_1-28-2.pdf

>>14691929
Crowley it's a nobody in terms of science or philosophy

>>14695105
Research tends to show that it lowers it but most studies are inconclusive
https://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer/ejaculation-prostate-cancer-risk#1

>>14695370
Wrong.

>Sexual activity and prostate cancer risk in men diagnosed at a younger age
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2008.08030.x

>Whereas frequent overall sexual activity in younger life (20s) increased the disease risk, it appeared to be protective against the disease when older (50s). Alone, frequent masturbation activity was a marker for increased risk in the 20s and 30s

>Prostate cancer mortality among Catholic priests.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7242091/

>>14695378
Different studies give different results. There are a lot of papers on both sides but coomers and no-fappers will obviously pick the one that supports their agenda

https://www.health.harvard.edu/mens-health/ejaculation_frequency_and_prostate_cancer

>>14691849
Rookie numbers

>>14690612
I'm literally reading that rn

>>14690612
I did some EMDR therapy, and it has been effecting a lot of things differently for me. One thing is that porn has recently not been all that appealing. I didn't do the EMDR specifically for masturbation or porn, but I don't seem to want to watch it.

I think it's the ripple-effect that EMDR therapy tends to have on people. Once you start healing one trauma, other things related to that trauma also start fixing themselves. I guess my one trauma was in part a reason why I watched porn in the first place.

>>14694474
but you have to actually imagine stuff, so in a way it's less passive than being bombarded with images of sex

>>14691849
150 times a year basically is no fap

Daily reminder that the no-fap craze literally started on reddit after a bogus pseudo-scientific "study" reached the first page and /r/nofap was created

>>14692218
'The Aka and Ngandu speak of sex as "searching for children."' ok boomer

>>14695787
Semen retention in the west was started by pythagoras 2500 years ago.

>>14695787
daily reminder that no-fap has been around since the dawn of man and you're just coomer coping

Some ESL nigger rewrote this book on how to quit addictions (the original book focused on hard drugs, alcohol, and cigarettes) except focused on porn addictions and uploaded it to google for FREE. check it out it's a pretty good read even if the dude is obviously ESL, it's understandable just a bit clumsy at times. Don't be scared that it has the word "hack" in the URL, it's just because he "hacked" the original book. https://sites.google.com/site/hackbookeasypeasy/home/preface

>>14693941
>and I have never noticed any magical superpowers or anything of the sort.
yeah no fucking shit retard. Nobody says that would happen to you. The fucking dishonesty and unwillingness to take anything in good faith of you reddit nigger lovers. jesus fucking christ. Kill yourself. Die a violent death!

>>14692218
Animals rape and murder on the regular. They also rape the same sex all the time. I don't know why you're referring to them like they are somehow living in a better way than us.

>>14695248
says the status quo defending boot licker

>>14692218
>Animals in the wild don't masturbate
Yes they do.

>>14695787
And I can see from your citation of Wikipedia you are an epic 4channel oldfag. Do you like Mudkips?

>>14696015
Right into the wounds of fresh kills even

https://youtu.be/1NWfys7q4x4
Ted Bundy on porn

Found this. Makes perfect sense considering hypofrontality.

>>14690612
Google "NoFap Hackbook" and something should pop up, book for cigarette addicts adopted for nofap.

I just read The Porn Pandemic, it was okay, was a reminder of the negative effects pornography has on life

>>14695105
Any resource for this? I am genuinely worried because I was a hardcore masturbator

>>14695866
>trusting a superstition that has been going on since the stone age
>ignoring modern research

>>14695137
Develop a weed habit then quit it. Your dreams will be the most vivid shit you’ve ever experienced.

Exercising daily with a healthy diet will do far more for you than your bro-science of not jerking off or watching porn

>>14697503
All modern research does is admit that the common phenomenon of hammering your dick several times a week to 4K sex happening on a monitor hasn't really been researched to any meaningful extent, nor there are any conclusive studies worth taking to heart despite how widespread the aforementioned has become.

>>14692190

Me in the middle

It's interesting how you can tell a person's political beliefs in 4chan just from the amount of pseudoscience they buy into.

>>14695082
nocturnal emissions aren't necessary tho, old sperm in mature males clears itself by little through peeing

to me they only happen when I just started my streak or when I am really turned on during the day, but rarely nevertheless

>>14697502
>>14695378

>>14695520
>@krassenstein

okay

>>14697587
Yeah, retarded leftists will never stop defending their literal brain degrading pornography

>>14690638
The porn industry will never allow these studies to be done. Same with the alcohol and tobacco industry

>>14697628
The fuck dude? There are hundreds of studies on the negative health impacts of alcohol and tobacco.

How often do you goys play with yourself? I counted it 2019 because very often I couldnt remember when the last time was I diddled my dicky.

2019 I played 93 times with myself (Times I played with someone else: 0. In the years before it was sure a bit more because last year I tried nofap for some months but the longest I could hold on was two weeks without jizzing.

>>14695378
That study's result hasn't been replicated though. Newer studies confirm the pattern of often masrurbation being correlated with a lower chance of prostate cancer:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27033442
>Evidence suggests that ejaculation frequency may be inversely related to the risk of prostate cancer (PCa), a disease for which few modifiable risk factors have been identified.

>>14697627
We all know you watch porn so you might as well stop pretending

>>14697627
The data is on their side. Facts don't care about your feelings, remember?

>>14696007
They are though, they are living in consonance with nature, even if it means being the beasts that they are.

Buddhism.

>>14697685
Dude just ching chang chong lmao

>>14697587
Science vindicates semen retention. It's the retards who think sexual activity is a biological free lunch devoid of any physiological consequences.

>>14691849
I have easily fapped over 450 times this year, maybe close to 500.

Finally fixed my adblocker again. Feels good not to see the cumbrained ads.

>>14697703
Your post indicates that you are a huge retard yourself unfortunately. Post your source about science vindicating the benefits of semen retention. Remember, cuckold greentexts from /pol/tards and christcucks don't account, we are talking about actual data.

>men's primary motivation to acquire power and resources is the subconscious desire to appear attractive to the opposite sex
>masturbation and unlimited access to videos of fertile women engaging in sexual activity short-circuits men's sexual desire and fulfillment
>therefore masturbation and porn inhibit men's drive to pursue their goals and acquire power/wealth
which line in this argumentation is incorrect?

>>14697757
This >>14691840 (from paper Specificity of the neuroendocrine response to orgasm during sexual arousal in men.)

Other physiological changes:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2509408
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2509408

Sexual arousal induces hypofrontality, impairing working memory and executive performance:
>Pornographic picture processing interferes with working memory performance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23167900

>Sexual Arousal Decreases the Functional Synchronization Between Cortical Areas in Young Men
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0092623X.2012.665815?journalCode=usmt20

>The Impact of Sexual Arousal on Sexual Risk-Taking and Decision-Making in Men and Women.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26310879

Adverse effects of sexual excess on the brain:

>Brain structure and functional connectivity associated with pornography consumption: the brain on porn.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24871202
Shows a loss of gray matter in the right caudate of the striatum from pornography indulgence.


Literally stronger than drug urges:
>Craving Responses to Methamphetamine and Sexual Visual Cues in Individuals With Methamphetamine Use Disorder After Long-Term Drug Rehabilitation.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29725310/
"that sexual demand might be more robust than drug demand"


Other studies:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29781087
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7306650
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12768259 (important because of AVP is crucial for cognition)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9361803
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29190674
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27657309 (proof the sex drive is subject to behavioral inputs and can be reinforced)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3668450
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22529926
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8388070 (responsible for post-sex anxiogenesis)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2877423

>>14697797
thanks

>>14697684
They also live "in consonance with nature" when they get raped and maimed and eaten and starve or freeze to death and go extinct. Your appeal to nature is meaningless.

>all the confident coomers in here when the research doesnt back them up either

Odd how there isnt much conclusive reswarch on something so widespread. Wonder why...

>>14693941
> I've gone for 1 week-10 days.

That isn't a long time.

>>14693941
>focusing on healthier sex urges
Exactly. You failed to observe true continence. You were still lusting, still were kneecapped by hypofrontality, and were just a nobody unable to achieve a nearly-manic super-flow state of focus, productivity, constancy, and the state of freedom of a brain unburdened by unceasing sexual interruptions.

Focusing on your compulsive porn use/masturbation rather than questioning how it developed in the first place is mistaking a symptom for a cause.

>>14697676
>facts are on their side
no. Read some actual studies that don't have an agenda behind them
https://nofap.com/

>>14697797
You know these studies are showing that there isn't any huge responses and a lot of inconclusive data right? Also some of them are about horses

>>14698247
>You know these studies are showing that there isn't any huge responses
Subjective
>and a lot of inconclusive data
They are almost entirely experimental. An inclusivity is limited to the specific hypothesis tested. The material changes in hormones, etc, are not in question.
>Also some of them are about horses
And some rats, and some rhesus monkeys. We cannot use humans for most of these studies for obvious reasons, brainlet.

>>14697789
none of them, but you're still incorrect because muh data says so

>>14698231
>nofap.com
>doesn't have an agenda

>>14697789
If no one in this thread can prove this wrong, everyone here is just coomer in denial.

>>14698231
Everyone has an agenda.

>>14698290
>masturbation and unlimited access to videos of fertile women
How is faggotry accounted in this equation?

>>14698261
Well so much for the studies being in support of no fap then

how could porn be such a deleterious simulation of sex when it fails to account for three out of five senses? certainly our bodies are able to distinguish between masturbating to porn and actual sex

>>14698395
What's different about the dopamine released in your brain after you jerk it vs the dopamine released when you're having sex?

>>14698340
Fags are superior, obviously

>>14698366
Absolute moron. The studies clearly establish that sexual activity has trade-offs associated with and affect various hormonal and neurochemical parameters.

>>14698395
Both sex and masturbation precipitate adverse neuroendocrinal effects.

ALLI ESTAAAA

>>14697691
>attacks a fundamentally indo-european religion with mock-chinese
please kill yourself

>>14690612
>>14694563
Libido Dominandi

>>14697797
>Pornographic picture processing interferes with working memory performance.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23167900
This is literally taking 25 guys and telling them to do some task. They show porn on some of them, and it turns out they aren't very focused on their task. Fucking kek, this is all you got?
>Sexual Arousal Decreases the Functional Synchronization Between Cortical Areas in Young Men
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0092623X.2012.665815?journalCode=usmt20
This has nothing to do with masturbation per se, it talks about sexual arousal in general. And I have no idea what "Decreases the Functional Synchronization Between Cortical Areas" means, perhaps you can enlighten us. But whatever it is it applies equally to both sex and masturbation.
>The Impact of Sexual Arousal on Sexual Risk-Taking and Decision-Making in Men and Women.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26310879
Again, nothing to do with masturbation. What this study says is that if you show sexuslly explicit material to somebody, they tend to get more impulsive afterwards. It doesn't even talk about effects in the long run, it literally just says that you act more impulsive when you have a boner.
>Brain structure and functional connectivity associated with pornography consumption: the brain on porn.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24871202
>Shows a loss of gray matter in the right caudate of the striatum from pornography indulgence.
This is legit but you misrepresent the results. The researchers admit that they haven't established a causal relation yet, which you somehow forgot to mention. .
>Craving Responses to Methamphetamine and Sexual Visual Cues in Individuals With Methamphetamine Use Disorder After Long-Term Drug Rehabilitation.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29725310/
>"that sexual demand might be more robust than drug demand"
Unless I am missing something here you are literally lying to me. This is a study about the effects on the libido of methamphitamine addicts after drug rehabilitation, it has nothing to do with any of your points.

All your sources that you bother tp elaborate on turn out to not support your claims at all, I will take a wild guess that you misrepresent the rest of your sources as well.

>>14698652
La puerta de alcalá?

>>14695105
>>14695378
>obeying your biology causing cancer
>seriously believing there is this critical of a core design flaw in our biology

It's not that. If anything, it's sitting in a chair wearing tight khakis for 2000+ hours a year and other unnatural shit that's applying pressure to your prostate and causing cancer.

>>14698846
I never asserted coitus differ from masturbation. I maintain that both induce equally deleterious effects on faculties related to cognition and adversely affect neuorochemical and hormonal parameters in all stages from arousal, to actual activity, to orgasm, to post-orgasm. To deny that semen retention would have any effect, is lunacy in light of all of these documented mechanisms.
As for the last study, yes, that indeed is precisely what was stated
>"that sexual demand might be more robust than drug demand"
The fact that they were addicts makes it even more alarming.

>I fap to Astolfo and feel really insecure about it, therefore I shall go on a crusade to eliminate all porn to assuage my guilt

>>14697789
>cooming is our deliverance from slavery to roastie approval
Only making a good case for it

>>14698896
>I never asserted coitus differ from masturbation. I maintain that both induce equally deleterious effects on faculties related to cognition and adversely affect neuorochemical and hormonal parameters in all stages from arousal, to actual activity, to orgasm, to post-orgasm.
You still haven't proved shit, your studies are mere correlations with no reproduced results to establish causation, and half of them aren't even relevant to the topic.
>The fact that they were addicts makes it even more alarming.
Do you not understand what the study says? It has to do with drug addicts having increased libido, it doesn't say that sexual urges are as strong as the urge to do drugs. And even if it did, that doesn't show in any way that sexual urges are somehow destructive. We also have.a strong biological drive to eat, doesn't mean it's a bad thing. But the point is that your study doesn't even support your arguments, so you are totally lost here.

>>14698896
>I never asserted coitus differ from masturbation. I maintain that both induce equally deleterious effects on faculties related to cognition and adversely affect neuorochemical and hormonal parameters in all stages from arousal, to actual activity, to orgasm, to post-orgasm.
You still haven't proved shit, your studies are mere correlations with no reproduced results to establish causation, and half of them aren't even relevant to the topic.
>The fact that they were addicts makes it even more alarming.
Do you not understand what the study says? It has to do with drug addicts having increased libido, it doesn't say that sexual urges are as strong as the urge to do drugs. And even if it did, that wouldn't show in any way that sexual urges are somehow destructive. We also have.a strong biological drive to eat, doesn't mean it's a bad thing. But the point is that your study doesn't even support your arguments, so you are totally lost here.

>>14698576
Barely noticeable ones that its hardly worth caring about.

>>14698846
>Actually reading the sources
fuck off. these threads aren't for you