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Ur

You don't. He shills himself here and is only thought of as intelligent by his fellow midwits.

>>14688901
Just start reading The Clear Pill. it was meant to be a more organized summarization of his earlier works which were sporadic and more blog-like

I would start with an open letter to open minded progressives.
Obvious reasons, it's meant to be a kind of introduction anyway.

>>14688901

Fuck off.
Ban all pedo threads.

>>14688932
Is moldbug an ancap

>>14688901
Can we not chase him away? He's a welcome addition to the board ecology

>>14688954
No there is just a guy who is incredibly butthurt about Moldbug and waits around to post his image macros at any mention of him

>>14688901
Slatestarcodex has a piece that's decent on the topic. I wish M would spend more time on improving his writing, with a view towards increasing clarity and concision. He needs to stop posturing as the writer for the gifted and talented folk, since that's just a smokescreen

Formalist Manifesto -> Patchwork -> How Dawkins Got Pwned -> Open Letter to Open Minded Progressives-> A Gentle Introduction to UR -> Read the rest of UR
So basically in order

>>14688986
See I don't know where I fall on that issue. It's true that he needs to have more appeal, but it's also true that most internet-based discussions, especially political ones, turn to shit. Any case, I suspect he's actually doing IRL shit - there were some rumors of him being spotted at uni campuses and political events.

>>14689428
He needs less appeal. His blog comment section was a cesspool by 2013. Nothing good comes from mainstream attention. The entire neoreaction thing was a mistake. I blame Nick Land for a lot of it with his stupid 'dark enlightenment' and 'nrx'

also if Moldbug is attending 'political events' then he's forgotten everything he used to know

>>14688928
Is there more than two out yet?

>>14688986
no. no no no no no. do not read SSC as the first thing on any fucking topic. nothing against scott, but rationalists are less wrong, not right.

>>14689450
I just think that 'clearpill' for example would be beneficial to many online larpers. At least it doesn't have as much risk of people thinking it's a literal call to become monarchists or whatever.

He cute

>>14688928
no. second just came out a month or so ago

>>14688901
mein kampf

>>14688901

> Where do I start with Moldbug?
Don't.

>>14688954
Basically.
>>14688985
>butthurt about moldbug
Kek name 3 significant differences. Pro tip: you can't.

>>14690695
>>14688932
>>14688938
Are you schizophrenic or retarded?

>He sounded amazing!

Reminder that these threads are started by accfags so they can keep some level of presence on the board.
Tranny economics will always be shit-tier.

>>14689492
>>14688986
Are you referring to the one that talks about the SEA General that really, really, REALLY liked 7? I read an "anti-nrx" piece by them, and it seemed like nitpicking of the "what if your absolute monarch as a stroke and fucking dies, landing on the nuke button?" type. Lots of what-ifs and niche cases that other forms of government have just the same. But then, he assumes that these are unique criticisms of monarchy and the like.
>What if your king is normal until he gets on the throne, and then turns fucking loony?
>What if your president is normal until he gets in the Oval Office, and then turns fucking loony?
etc.

A lot of it seemed very Grugbrain, wherein the expectation is that the monarch is assumed to solve problems by literally clubbing people to death.

>>14690700
try refuting it

>>14690720
You realize that Moldbug is not even remotely an accfag, right?

Recommended shorter posts:
From Mises to Carlyle: my sick journey to the dark side of the force
Why Carlyle matters
Mr. Jones is rather concerned
Technology, communism and the Brown Scare
Why I am not a libertarian
A short history of ultracalvinism
The iron polygon: power in the United States
Why I am not a white nationalist

>>14690754
Refuting ancapism? Why bother? it is retarded. The problem is that Moldbug is not an ancap, although in his early writings he did still have something of a libertarian streak in him still, all that wasted away, see https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2007/12/why-i-am-not-libertarian/.. In a way he is the opposite. You would do well to actually understand the people you are trying to meme on.

>>14690758
No, he doesn't know that, his internet-politics addled mind has been impressed with vague associations of people and ideas with no grounding in reality and he attacks these phantoms because doing otherwise would require a bit of reading.

>>14688954
>>14688985
AnCap and NeoFeudalism are literally the same thing. You can't argue against this.

Gentle Intro then patchwork then vampire of the world i guess would get you a good basis for what he's on about but honestly its just a blog man theres really no need to establish a chronology. Just read some essays and see if you like it its not a series of treatises. The blog covers lots of different areas and what you'll enjoy most depends on your interest you wont be missing out by picking any arbitrary starting point

>>14691161
I'd start with Open Letter. It's really his strongest work IMO.

>>14688901
> Mencius Moldbug
Is this supposed to be a fursona name? Do grownups do this?

>>14688901
The problem with Formalism is that the deception/ambiguity he wants to get rid of are themselves integral parts of the specific power structures in place today. The opinions of the people are a not insignificant element in any state, even a monarchy. He wants to get rid of the sort of Machiavellian balance of powers that literally always exists, to set up a rigid, clear schema. This displays a profound misunderstanding of the real dynamics of history, which is very bizarre for him to have since he's exceptionally good at picking out the threads of how much this soft power has mattered for Progressivism's ascent.

>>14691111
>You would do well to
fucking LARPer

>>14691111
Retard.

>>14691119
lmao imagine being an accfag moldbug cultist and saying something like this.

>>14691992
>>14692904
>>14692923
Samefag

>>14688932
I'm ancap and have spent some portion of 6 of the last 10 years homeless.

>>14693371
Are you some kind lower class Uncle Tom

>>14693359
>only one person could possibly see through this pseudery
try again

What the fuck it is The Patchwork

>>14693658
Soviet Americanism
>Let’s start with my ideal world – the world of thousands, preferably even tens of thousands, of neocameralist city-states and ministates, or neostates. The organizations which own and operate these neostates are for-profit sovereign corporations, or sovcorps. For the moment, let’s assume a one-to-one mapping between sovcorp and neostate. […] Let’s pin down the neocameralist dramatis personae by identifying the people who work for a sovcorp as its agents, the people or organizations which collectively own it as its subscribers, and the people who live in its neostate as its residents.

>A Neocameral ‘neostate’ is not owned by its residents or its agents. Its ‘monarch’ (or ‘CEO’) is an executive appointment. (90% of all confusion about Neocameralism, and Neoreaction in general, stems from a failure to grasp this elementary point.) Note: ‘subscribers’ (plural). More coming on this immediately.

>Every patch of land on the planet has a primary owner, which is its sovcorp. Typically, these owners will be large, impersonal corporations. We call them sovcorps because they’re sovereign. You are sovereign if you have the power to render any plausible attack on your primary property, by any other sovereign power, unprofitable. In other words, you maintain general deterrence. […] (Sovereignty is a flat, peer-to-peer relationship by definition. The concept of hierarchical sovereignty is a contradiction in terms. …) […] The business of a sovcorp is to make money by deterring aggression. Since human aggression is a serious problem, preventing it should be a good business. Moreover, the existence of unprofitable governments in your vicinity is serious cause for concern, because unprofitable governments tend to have strange decision structures and do weird, dangerous things. […] (Nuclear deterrence (mutual assured destruction) is only one small class of deterrent designs. To deter is to render predictably unprofitable. Predictably unprofitable violence is irrational. Irrational violence is certainly not unheard of. But it is much, much rarer than you may think. Most of the violence in the world today is quite rational, IMHO.) […] General deterrence is a complex topic which deserves its own post. For the moment, assume that every square inch of the planet’s surface is formally owned by some sovcorp, that no one disagrees on the borders, and that deterrence between sovcorps is absolute.

>>14693701
are you getting paid to patrol these threads lel

>>14693709
are you?

>>14688901
Is this guy a nazi or something?

>>14693701
>The business of a sovcorp is to make money by deterring aggression

It is literally FOB invasion in MGSV. What the fuck.

>>14693709
>starts new thread
Every single time. Having fun, Curtis?

>It is no nation we inhabit, but a language. Make no mistake; our native tongue is our true fatherland.

Moldbug is unironically fun and accessible. Work through the entirety of Unqualified Reservations (it only took me a few weeks) and then his essays on The American Mind.

>>14694009
>Moldbug is unironically fun and accessible

>>14693984
Man I wish he was here.

>Moldbug starting to get popular
Never thought I would see the day. Only modern RW thinker worth reading.

>>14688938
Is that supposed to be an argument for or against?

>>14693811
He really hates them, how is he a nazi kek

>>14688901
His Jewish rhetorical tricks to keep the Holocaust myth alive. Fundamentally dishonest astroturfed gatekeeper.

>>14690695
The one distinction that actually makes all the difference is that he is not interested in weakening the state, while the ancap wants to eliminate the state.

>>14693811
He's a jewish supremacist.

>>14694416
Wrong.
Although it makes no difference.

>>14693559
I'm not lower class by nature, unlike you.

>>14694218
The absolute state.

>>14688901

https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/

Do chronological reading. It's really the best way.

i cannot think of a more unfortunate surname

>>14694426
ah so you're just a complete retard

>>14695438
Projection

>>14688901
i very much enjoyed the gentle introduction

you go to /pol/, then /r9k/ and maybe /mlp/. same shit.
>>14688908
/thread

>>14690695
>>14692923
https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2007/12/why-i-am-not-libertarian/
>>14693811
https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2007/11/why-i-am-not-white-nationalist/

>>14694009
>Moldbug is unironically fun and accessible.
>(it only took me a few weeks)

>>14688901
Why does 4channel (formerly 4chan) worship these ignorant charlatans such as Moldbug, Varg, Survive The Jive, and Guenon? There is more reasonable discussion to be had on fucking R*ddit.

>>14693986

Except for his Jewsishness. He holds on to that. Imagine my surprise...

>organizing society is an engineering problem
Yep, stopped reading there. cant believe the number of redditors on lit

>>14688954
Metapolitically, yes. Politically, no.

>>14696929
Then go back faggot.

I'll be the leader :)

>>14697929
After you :)

>>14688901
Maybe read about that time they found out he massively fucked up Urbit again so bad that he had to resign in disgrace lol