/lit/ - Literature

>Mencius is dating Megan Boyle
What an unlikely pairing

>listening to a tech basedboy
Nah

I'm just not sure the leather jacket is a good look for him. It feels like he should be wearing a sport coat or a cardigan or something.

>>14668719
Justin Murphy (the male one) already does that style.

>>14668676
Doesn't it get better after the first 30 minutes? I listened to the free bit and it wasn't that good.

>>14668786
yea it gets much better when Kantbot gets over himself. I was surprised that Moldbug was a good conversationalist with good comedic timing

I'll be the leader :)

I liked the black-card soccer metaphor very much, we done seen't it in Iowa nary a week after the podcast aired!

>>14669072
what's going on in Iowa, I can't be fucked to wade through the endless memery

>>14669080
A total shitshow involving an app and a weird company called Shadow and basically everyone thinks the caucus was rigged.

>>14669080
I don't think anyone knows for sure (I sure don't), but everything seems to point to the fact that someone nuked one of the most important American political rituals using an iPhone app. Presumably in order to repeat 2016 primary-rigging tomfoolery, but this time in a way that a TED-talk turtleneck would get wet over.

>>14668676
Kantbot vs Moldbug
It'll make you want to tear your hair out.

>>14668691
Are you just making shit up

>>14668803
Have you ever read UR

>>14668676
I love Moldbug but he is so bad at public speaking.

>talks about obscure politicians by name, without saying what role did they play
>repeats "ah" "uhm" "ehm" ten times in a sentence
>doesn't develop a one single idea to a great extent

I swear If someone made a man out of Modlbug's intelligence and Nick Fuentes' public speaking ability, the world would get fixed in a heartbeat

>>14669080
The caucus was rigged and they are blaming any irreguarites on an app.

>>14668676
Quick rundown on this Jew? What's his end goal exactly?

>>14669374
To complete the system of German Idealism.

>>14668676
Does he wear the jacket ironically or unironically?

>>14668676
>Tekwars
Isn’t that William Shatners sci-fi novel?

>No one cared who I was, until I put on the jacket.

https://youtu.be/p6LUjUbikkk

>>14669908
looks like a dyke

>>14668803
>well, I don't know what we're playing, but it sure as hell ain't football

>>14669916
this video is giga cringe, just read Unqualified Reservations, its not that long

>>14669908
based

>>14670447
>just read the phone book
Fuck no.

So does Yarvin essentially believe that the solution to The Cathedral is the same as BAP does? UR makes it sound like he's saying to fuck off and wait for the collapse but when he talks like in this podcast he basically says to infiltrate it like BAP does.

>>14670473
BAP and moldbug have a series of letters published on that American Sun website. Moldbug reviewed BAP book and BAP replies. I haven't read them but you might be able to see where they disagree on things

>>14668676
soundcloud.com/whatisleftpod/accelerationism

>>14670499
How do the American Sun guys have so much clout? Obviously their podcast is very good but they're really not that active on Twitter so I'm kind of curious how they got out there in the first place. Are they from Salo's forum?

>>14670473
when he wrote UR he was neck deep in austrian theory which is basically all 'it needs to get worse to get better' coping.

>>14668803
>I was surprised that Moldbug was a good conversationalist with good comedic timing
i was actually astonished at the quality of his prose, i started reading UR with the full expectation that it would be dry and boring but it was actually so much fun to read that i ended up reading the entire gentle introduction to UR (roughly 300 pages) in about two days

>>14670521
>it needs to get worse to get better
aka let your enemy organize while you do nothing.

>>14670521
I guess that's why he's doing the clear pill now. The entire thing seems like he's attempting to get people to wipe their political slates clean so that they can come up with some kind of BAPian vitalist ideology that isn't just crypto-fascism.

>>14670521
austrian economics comes from the austrian empire and their lessons learned as the first modern attempt at a multi-ethnic mess. the whole scheme is basically jews trying to figure out how to cuck the goyim based on the model of rothschild takeover of austria

>>14670499
Can you link it? I can't find them.

>>14670516
I do not have a lead on them. Their Twitter handle is retweeting some pretty low level niche content so it's hard to say. Most of what goes on on Twitter is in the DMs. The front facing feed is the tip of the iceberg

>>14670559
https://theamericansun.com/

>>14670553
basically true but an important aspect of the theory was leaving failing projects out to dry based on quasi-darwinist/calvinist model, which moldbug appropriates, but is one of the aspects of UR which hasn't aged well at all

>>14670559
>>14670570

Oops I'm retarded it's on The American Mind.
Not digging up every letter but there are at least a few and Michael Anton has a review as well

https://americanmind.org/author/curtis-yarvin/

>>14670584
This is the post

https://americanmind.org/features/conservatism-in-the-bronze-age/the-deep-state-vs-the-deep-right/

>>14670546
>clear pill
Moldbug's methodology is retarded. He is supposed to be a grad student in compsci, yet he doesn't even understand the difference between a proof by the contrapositive and a proof by contradiction.

>>14670593
cheers friend

>>14670532
You're supposed to set up the avenues people will gravitate to once it begins-- leaders and apparatuses that will be looked as alternatives.

>>14669916
watched it. didnt care for it.

>BAP
>Moldbug
this is who the 'right' looks up to.

>>14670806
link your book if it's so much better

>>14669318
Megan posted them to her ig story yesterday

>>14668676
>sounded great
>UM ... AND ... UM ... AND ... UM ... AND
Truly one of history's greatest orators.

>uh um err uh uh yknow uh

>>14670806
whigs are retarded but less so than o9a niggas

>>14669967
kek

>>14668786
It was great

>>14670863
why

>>14670447
>>14670795
What's wrong with it? I don't know much about Moldbug but watched it out of curiosity.

>>14671461
The strongest suit of Curtis is that he is a brilliant stylist. Having some C list alt-lite mong shit out a dumbed down version of an already pretty digested material seems utterly pointless. Just read Moldbug. It's not hard.

>>14670863
just post a screencap instead of spamming nonsense

>>14669908
It’s the jackeeet

>>14670457
m8 this is /lit/. Yarvin himself refers to books that sum up to tens of thousands of pages on his blog.

>>14670602
>t. retard who watched a youtube video on logic

It's weird to me that nobody's gone after him yet. There's less than five people in the internet-adjacent dissident right that are actually competent and Yarvin is one of them. Not only that, but he's arguably the most dangerous - a guy with a genius-level IQ, fuck you money, serious connections, tons of free time and an insider perspective into every major elite subculture. That's not to mention the fact that his ethnicity shields him from the usual tactics to an extent.

>>14672005
Those proof techniques are commonly taught to math majors and compsci majors. It's not my problem that you are an uneducated rube who can't see that Moldbug screwed up something so simple. If you actually knew any logic, and went back and read the first few paragraphs of the first clear pill article, you'd see how obvious the mistake was.

>>14672053
So he used the wrong term. The guy wrote a functional programming language from scratch, give him a break.

>>14672066
It's not just a "wrong term" you fucking retard. It's an entire methodological issue. He uses the idea of "contrapositive proof" (actually proof by contradiction, and a bad one at that) as a mechanism of inquiry ("checking ideas you don't want to believe") that grounds his series of posts on the "clear pill."

>>14672053
>>14672094
Absolutely retarded braindead stemmie undergrad trying hard to flex. lol

>>14668676
gib dl link

>>14672124
>stemmie
Wrong.
>undergrad
Wrong again.
>retarded
Only retarded people in this thread are the anons who can't see through Moldbug's logical sophistry because of their own ignorance, including yourself.
>trying hard to flex
What's "hard to flex" when it is something that is common knowledge to a first year math or compsci student?

>>14672066
>The guy wrote a functional programming language from scratch
As did any undergrad I know. Big f*cking deal lmao.

>>14671762
He's pretty much the only good youtube channel and he isn't "alt lite"

>>14668676
the amount of pseuds on this board > grains of sand in the Sahara

>>14672154
Being an MSc in CS myself, I don't see this claim as particularly credible. Not at all.

>>14672145
Yarvin got into Ivy League through a program for the mathematically gifted at 15-16 years old and has published research papers by the time he is 19.

>>14672181
You're a subhuman Anglo-tier bugman then, none of your experiences are worth anything to a proper human entity.

>>14672194
Whoah, credentialism and appeals to authority for a guy who says not to trust the very system you are relying on for his epistemic authority (and even wrote a post iirc on compsci education).

Please explain pic related and why it is what Moldbug says it is.

>>14672203
Why didn't you just start with that so I could save myself some time and ignore the rest of your posts?

>>14672213
>pic
See, that makes me even more certain that you're just nitpicking because his fundamental thesis is correct.

>>14672213
I'd call it a proof by contradiction but so what? You're retarded because the only person who'd have an issue with this is an undergrad just taking a class on logic 101 and being super proud of learning a few new words such as "contraposition" or "reductio ad absurdum".
Grow a brain

BAP won

>>14672218
>>14672234
cope

>>14672251
Link to tweet? I must have that pic

>>14672213
Axiom -> Absurdity
Therefore
Not(Absurdity) -> Not(Axiom).

Anyone have a download link for the full ep?
I'm not giving kantbot a dime

>>14672251
BAP and Moldbug is the unlikeliest of friendships.

>>14671762
The Distributist is pretty based though

>>14672171
>>14672291
he inhabits the same space as contrapoints. rhetoric for true believers. ultra gay

I love how he was giving them pop quiz constantly.

>>14672214
That's not me.

>>14672218
>>14672234
We've been over this above. He uses this as the grounds for his thinking for other posts, i.e. a method. He moves from assuming something is true, to failure of reality or failure of imagination. Then concluding the assumption must be false. Pretty standard looking "proof" that looks more like contradiction than the contrapositive. But like I said above, it's still a shit proof. He wants a normative recipe for "integrity checks" on beliefs that he thinks are "literally failsafe," but there's no recipe there for finding the equivalent of a contradiction (absurdity, logical impossibility, etc). He just relies on failures of reality and imagination, which aren't the equivalent of absurdities (something undeniably false) or logical impossibilities. The latter are generated by the structure of the proof; while the former he's obtaining from something that isn't failsafe (his inquiry into reality, with a method of inquiry that he already seems to be confused on).

As I said above, he's mystified a bunch of people here into a bunch of logical sophistry (as he did several times arguing with Kantbot, e.g. the whole double negation thing). You say I'm the one namedropping terms, but it looks like that is what Moldbug is doing (and you don't pick up on, because you're ignorant). You keep calling me retarded, but if you think laying bare his confusions and methods is "nitpicking", then I'm not the retard here, you are. You sound like a whiny brat that is defending your dad's honor on the schoolground. Either argue the point or fuck off back to /pol/.

PS

If you want an actual nitpick in the Moldbug style of using obscure historical people and events. Try googling the following as a counter to his "CIA and 9/11": Richard Blee, Tom Wilshire, Mark Rossini, Michael Springmann, Operation Cyclone. While it might not support the "CIA did 9/11" hypothesis, it certainly btfo any mono-causal "CIA had no causal role in 9/11 and al Qaeda" that he seems to be implying (which again shows how garbage his inquiry methods are).

>>14672259
There's no conditional premise (and no conditional conclusion), he starts with a proposition. His proof tries to move from an assumption to what he considers an absurdity or logical impossibility. He then concludes the assumption must be false. So his proof is:

(1) P -> Failure of imagination or reality.
Therefore,
(2) P is false.

Again, this isn't a proof by contrapositive.

>>14672453
>There's no conditional premise (and no conditional conclusion)
*need to clear this up: meant no conditional *assumption* (he starts with single assumed proposition) and no conditional conclusion (he draws out the denial of the singular proposition)

>>14672412
It was pretty based. He came off as pretty affable, though I wish they covered more ground in terms of relevant topics.

kantbot is such a fucking annoying faggot

>>14668691
Quite the contrary, I find it especially fitting. Two overrated and whimsical but not absolutely worthless internet "literary" celebrities hooking up. Together they might even end up writing the equivalent of a half-decent notebook, who knows.

>>14672706
He kept his sperging to a minimum IMO

>>14672051
>It's weird to me that nobody's gone after him yet.
>his ethnicity shields him from the usual tactics to an extent

gee

>>14672794
>>14672051
I've only ever seen one shitlib go after him, and it was just some article WOWJUSTWOWing about how he's a racist because he called climate change a "criminal hoax". He outright denied- and mocked - the Holocaust a fucking sentence earlier too in the piece in question.

Kantbot is fat.

>>14672396
He dabbed on ContraPoints though.

>>14672813
>>14672051

he regularly got taken to task by leftists in the comments section of UR
the two major ones were mtraven and some other guy with jew in his name
there were two posters with jew in their name, one a leftist and the other who ended up becoming that rw blogger carlsbad who also argued against MM
too bad they deleted the comments
he also dicktucked from that baldy weirdo psychiatrist that everyone likes from less wrong who wrote an extremely long post against moldbug
tggp and handle used to write long winded comments that sometimes argued against him as well

>>14672839
also forgot others who regularly argued against moldbug: the man who was thursday and the guy from the VUNEX culture blog

Someone leak the full thing. I don't have a credit card to pay.

>>14672839
Actually if you go back to Scott Alexander's post, he basically retracted the whole thing.

>>14672881
really? i never kept track of lesswrong and its offshoots as they gave me sex cult vibes with the hairy chest big yud polycule thing years ago, although scott was pretty much the only one to come across as good natured
i will have to read what he said now

All of Moldbug's ideology is just Thomas Hobbes reworded for the internet age. Which is to say he's right, but completely unnecessary to read if you've read pic related.

alright boys the NRX cult has been officially greenlit, who's going to get this party started?

>>14672051
>It's weird to me that nobody's gone after him yet.
It is very simple actually. The guy is mostly a meme that is slightly better than other memes in his niche. As a blog writer he's decent and often interesting but anyone can get a more solid and groundbreaking take on modernity for free with a few clicks nowaday.

Just take the ten writers he's most inspired by, the thirty that most inspired them, and the fifteen that most proeminently answered to them in their time. Read those guys and you've no need for Moldbug.

Besides you already explained it yourself :
> There's less than five people in the internet-adjacent dissident right that are actually competent and Yarvin is one of them.

A crowd of several thousands (at the very least) with instant worldwide communication and a national library's worth of books for free in online reposities that can yet barely produce a handful of nonretarded semi-decent thinkers is never going to be a serious threat. At this point the mad aussie with his guns and his meme-laden manifesto is the best they can hope to have in term of real world impact.

>>14672907
Yud has IMO gone off the deep end.

>>14672936
The Social Matter people have started something IRL. If you're smart you can actually find it by googling.

>kantianism for dumb people
yeah real great stuff

>>14673006
Moldbug’s an idealist?

>>14672993
Are you referring to the Hestia Society? Or is this some west coast technomonarchy circlejerk? I'm unaware of the finer details of Socialmatter, just that the Myth Boys left, and may or may not have recruited a few former Social Matter dudes when making The American Sun.

>>14673081
I don't want to expose them here because of the leftie presence on the board. I'm sure they're involved in a lot of things, but there's a particular IRL project that I found that I'm 99% sure was started by HS people. Again, if you're familiar with their material and look around enough, you'll find it. That's all I can say.

>>14673120
lol he's talking about palladium mag which was outed by leftist journalists awhile ago

>>14673133
When I say 'IRL' I actually mean IRL. Thanks for the recommendation though, it looks interesting.

>>14668676
Phrenologists hate him!

>>14673120
I get you, figured I'd ask anyways. Thanks bro.

>>14673133
>>14673150
Palladium is pretty fun. Honestly nothing they put out seems too egregiously DRUMPF KKK Nazi, however. For how much they talk about Toronto and California they could probably just say they're Liberals and no one who wouldn't read the articles would be able to tell the difference. "Poor housing policies in LA" isnlt particularly far-right.

>>14672934
I've read both. The absolutism is shared by Carlyle as well. Moldbug's Neocameralism is different however. Hobbes is out of date and desperately needed an update

>>14668676
he was interesting on tekwars but
>the glasses
>the hair
>the leather jacket

it's like a really bad /fa/ picture jesus fucking christ why do anglos not know how to dress?

>>14673308
hate to defend him even on this, but he's like the most dad-tier person in the world, give him a break

>>14673044
Do you know what that term even means?

>>14673217
Explain it. What's so good about it?

keep ecelebs in their place
>>14670348

>>14673347

Consider Hobbes's analysis of conflict:

> And from this diffidence of one another, there is no way for any man to secure himselfe, so reasonable, as Anticipation; that is, by force, or wiles, to master the persons of all men he can, so long, till he see no other power great enough to endanger him: And this is no more than his own conservation requireth, and is generally allowed. Also because there be some, that taking pleasure in contemplating their own power in the acts of conquest, which they pursue farther than their security requires; if others, that otherwise would be glad to be at ease within modest bounds, should not by invasion increase their power, they would not be able, long time, by standing only on their defence, to subsist. And by consequence, such augmentation of dominion over men, being necessary to a mans conservation, it ought to be allowed him.
>Againe, men have no pleasure, (but on the contrary a great deale of griefe) in keeping company, where there is no power able to over-awe them all. For every man looketh> that his companion should value him, at the same rate he sets upon himselfe: And upon all signes of contempt, or undervaluing, naturally endeavours, as far as he dares (which amongst them that have no common power, to keep them in quiet, is far enough to make them destroy each other,) to extort a greater value from his contemners, by dommage; and from others, by the example.

Now consider this excerpt from Moldbug's Formalist Manifesto:

>A further difficulty is that the definition of “violence” isn’t so obvious. If I gently relieve you of your wallet, and you chase after me with your Glock and make me beg to be allowed to give it back, which of us is being violent? Suppose I say, well, it was your wallet—but it’s my wallet now?
>This suggests, at the very least, that we need a rule that tells us whose wallet is whose. Violence, then, is anything that breaks the rule, or replaces it with a different rule. If the rule is clear and everyone follows it, there is no violence.
>In other words, violence equals conflict plus uncertainty. While there are wallets in the world, conflict will exist. But if we can eliminate uncertainty—if there is an unambiguous, unbreakable rule that tells us, in advance, who gets the wallet—I have no reason to sneak my hand into your pocket, and you have no reason to run after me shooting wildly into the air. Neither of our actions, by definition, can affect the outcome of the conflict.

Both Moldbug and Hobbes here consider violence to be a product of uncertain power relations. This observation leads them both to develop an absolutist political philosophy. This is the sort of ontological underpinning of all absolutism I believe. Hobbes develops this sort of thing with a sort of mathematical approach, manipulating definitions to produce true statements. He relies on reason and scorns working with empirical data. Hobbes is pendantic but rigorous, though a bit outdated

>>14673376
Almost all authors are ecelebs senpai

>>14673658
Retard.

PLEASE someone post the Aimee terese episode

>>14673619
Hobbes is discussing human nature and war. It is closer to the essentials and power. Moldbug is discussing something closer to a libertarian understanding. It assumes perfect rationality and slave morality.

>>14673708
Hobbes follows this up with:
>So that in the nature of man, we find three principall causes of quarrel. First, Competition; Secondly, Diffidence; Thirdly, Glory.
>The first, maketh men invade for Gain; the second, for Safety; and the third, for Reputation. The first use Violence, to make themselves Masters of other mens persons, wives, children, and cattell; the second, to defend them; the third, for trifles, as a word, a smile, a different opinion, and any other signe of undervalue, either direct in their Persons, or by reflexion in their Kindred, their Friends, their Nation, their Profession, or their Name.

Hobbes, with his materialist worldview, thinks of the human brain as a sort of rube-goldberg machine. He spends a significant portion of the book trying to define human emotion and behavior with mathematical rigor. He basically invented the praxeology meme. Not sure what you're on about with slave morality but he'd probably agree. Carlyle defended slavery after all

>>14669080
App company led by former Clinton campaign staffers tried to rig the election again, with zero awareness of how retarded they are. Hilarity ensued.

Nick Land thread 100 replies more then Moldbug. Nick dabbing all over him.

>>14671168
That's not Megan's foot, FYI. That was her boyfriend

>>14674239
Not everything has to be a competition

>>14669908
Based as fuck.

>>14673692
This one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq8oMAGRh_M

>>14673159
He just needs to lose weight and he'll look fine.

>>14672907
Scott Alexander isn't a bad guy and is clearly very bright and gifted at writing but he is a bit of a coward. He nearly had a mental breakdown over "friends" of his being mad that people discussed hatefacts on a subreddit dedicated to his blog. It was pretty pathetic to read, but he was at least honest about the whole thing.

>>14674623
Scott is a sensitive autist, which i mean not as an insult, that's just what he is. Im surprised he stood up even to that much hate from the woke crowd. He's also a psychiatrist and could maybe get fired if he could be credibly accused of racism or eugenics or whatever.

>>14674623
>discussed hatefacts

link?

>>14674743
This is not what that poster is referring to, but read 'Radicalizing the Loveless' - it's fucking God-tier

>>14672839
This is not even vaguely what happened in any of those instances lmao.

>>14672835
precisely. i love rhetoric, but people like that are just about as embarassing to me as WWI propaganda posters.

>>14674623
this desu. i fucking hate rationalists with a deep passion, but some of them are all right. scott at least, you know, tries. he's fundamentally mistaken about what certain key things are (technology, magic, bias for example), but he's one of the good ones.

>>14673081
>>14673120
Social Matter is where The American Sun guys are from? I only found their podcast a few months ago but I've been trying to figure out where they came from since they don't seem to be typical frogtwitter types at all

>>14673133
>outed by leftist journalists
the proper translation of this is of course "was brought to the attention of the inquisition by volunteer cops''

>>14673692
>https://mega.nz/#F!nmwlDSLL!dW_Zfa4P7KxXH15IpS_HjQ

>>14673120
>>14673150
Dude just fucking say it. I think I only know of Social Matter from the Jonah hit piece.

No one here is that far of a leftist, and definitely no one ITT.

>God-tier
Do you cunts really believe your own bullshit?

>>14674919
>WWI propaganda posters
And yet even the worst say more than a Moldbug.

Is Rajang lance the best lance? My current build lets me have almost 100% crit all the time so I don't ever have to think about sharpness, is that doable with Rajang?

>>14668676
he looks like he fucks pillows

>>14673692
I love how MM even called her out on her big naturals. What's Left would be so much better if every episode was a video of her bouncing and jiggling whilst complaining about PMCs

>>14676168
Sauce on Aimee’s big naturals?

>he sounded great

>>14672817
No, Kantbot is portly.

>>14676058
hard to say what i love more, aimees big naturals or you anon for sharing thanks a million

>>14672794
Sam Harris has gotten more mainstream hate than Moldbug. Most people just don’t know much about Yarvin and, when it comes down to it, you really have to search to find the raycis things. And they’re not very racist

>>14669351
>Nick Fuentes' public speaking ability
>crashing boomercon speeches and yelling "google the USS Liberty!!!"
Fuentes is cringe and his fanbase is a borderline cult.

>>14670440
Kino

>>14676212
second this

Just listened to the episode with Aimee, pretty nice. TekWars is a comfy podcast if you're an autistic retard. I recommend the one where they talk to that bitcoin millionaire kid, fascinating and revolting all at once. I feel like their philosophy of 'we'll talk to anyone' lends itself to a couple of poor quality guests (Spencer) but overall I appreciate a format that allows such an unusual spectrum of personalities.

>>14669499
Post-ironically.

>>14669046
Become worthy then.

I'm just going to post my tentative plan for building a City-State in South America.
Imagine a Change.org meets Steemit.com.
>I propose a cause
>people vote
>those votes award me tokens
>I can then sell these tokens to crypto investors, and spend the money on funding the cause
An example cause would be a better traffic light system. Many traffic lights already feature cameras who's only purpose is surveillance. We could have these cameras + more work with computer vision to detect cars and change the lights accordingly.
Have you ever waited on a red with no cars coming either way? This would get rid of that. It could also work with driverless cars, to make them run fully autonomous.

The crypto voting platform would basically empower people to build their own world. It could be used for lobbying and building products (digital and physical). Now imagine how cheap it would be to do this in South America. You could bribe a low level politician and have the smart street lights up and running in a city in a matter of weeks.
What if we continued iterating, and building a very modern city with libertarian values? Ultimately we could buy a bunch of land from some South American government and make our own state.

>>14669351
Despite the 'um's which could be trained away, Moldbug is a great speaker. He just doesn't desire the following as much

>>14676576
>Fuentes is cringe and his fanbase is a borderline cult.
That's not a bad thing. A cult is how you affect change. Moldbug mentions this in the podcast. Pretty sure he says something to the effect of
>I don't want to a cult, I want to teach people how to make cults

I'm not a Fuentes fan, but at least he's in it for the cause rather than the grift.

Basically Moldbug just wants the Combine from Half Life 2

Normally I don’t care about schizophrenics online posting their retarded shit but I noticed he’s in the war of Peter Thiel so I kind of some Antifa bounce this fuck ugly technofascist’s head off the pavement.

>>14677101
lole hary potter/star wars/pop culture refrence
moldbug is combine im gordon im hero
why are you posting women of afrikan ancestry on my boer landscaping irc chat

>>14677101
AOC's feet cannot be beat
Honey rippled soles, toes tad sweet

>>14676911
They need to take moldbugs advice and be MUCH more discriminatory in their selection processes if they have any concern at all for their own future

>>14677061
>Moldbug is a great speaker
You people are so naive.

>>14677443
He's hyper intelligent and engaging. What the fuck does Nick Fuentes even talk about? He just jokes. It's one coy joke after another

>>14668676
>He sounded great on TekWars
He sounded like a god damn nerd and the constant "ums" were annoying.

I still think he has interesting things to say, but he'll never have mass appeal with the way he expresses himself. I mean the delivery, not the content.

>>14677101
shut up, you fucking retard

>>14677601
>thinking yarvin in any way shape or form wants "mass appeal"
you're lost man

>>14677619
I don't care what he wants.
I want him to be a regular guest commentator on CNN.

>>14677601
He doesn't want mass appeal

>>14677630
You strike me as totally unfamiliar with his aims. Start here
https://www.unqualified-reservations.org/2008/04/open-letter-to-open-minded-progressives/

who has the link for the paywalled tekwars that aren't shit (I'm not paying you kantbot)

>>14668676
>He sounded great

>>14677634
>He can't attain mass appeal
Ftfy

>>14677795
Read the thread

>>14677832
no

>>14677619
>>14677634
>>14677651
reminder that moldbug once begged his readers to send his blog to nassim taleb

>>14677837
Then fuck off. Nobody's spoon-feeding you.

>>14677868
u mad?

>>14677856
Doesn't surprise me, Taleb is based and they have a lot of similar ideas.

>>14677856
Taleb's ego is too large to interact with people he doesn't understand. BAP Moldbug and NNT together though would form a triad strong enough to dissolve the matrix, and I would encourage everyone in this thread to send taleb links to UR early AND often desu

>>14677619
he's a rhetorician, what do you think his job is

>>14677578
>He's hyper intelligent and engaging.

The right deserves to lose.

>>14678377
No he isn't lmao

>>14678446
yes, he is. this is not some sort of condemnation, I love the guy, but his political side is almost 100% rhetorics.

>>14678461
Yeah I don't get how you can remotely believe that.

Taleb just released his new book for free btw:
https://www.researchers.one/article/2020-01-21

>>14678476
what do you think he is? political philosopher? he's literally just fucking eating carlyle and shitting out a 2000's blog. he isn't a theorist, he's digesting complex ideas and putting them out to the masses in a way that's more palatable.

>>14678479
There's plenty of political philosophers who have done just that, not to mention that the assertion that he's not produced anything original is dubious at best.

>>14678479
>>what do you think he is? political philosopher? he's literally just fucking eating carlyle and shitting out a 2000's blog
this is still of more substance than pretty much anything else written in the last 40 years

>>14678503
>>14678512
you retards thinking rhetoritician is an insult is gigasad. read kierkegaard.

>>14678516
stfu virgin I only read Carlyle and Carlyle accessories

>>14678476
I'd rather pay than read that. It needs an editor badly

>>14678516
I don't think it's an insult at all. I just think it's not the right term.

>>14678377
he's laying down the foundations of a worldview designed to raise high quality insurgencies against a Cathedral more and more people are losing faith in and finding despotic. i think his job is to break totally any illusion you might have about how power operates in western systems of governance and then presumably provide us with frameworks on how to take power then instantiate Formalization so that at the very least you have elements keeping accountability baked into the incentive structure

>>14678536

>>14678554
fuck you

>>14678536
>he's laying down the foundations of a worldview designed to raise high quality insurgencies against a Cathedral more and more people are losing faith in and finding despotic

>>14678579
isn't he?

>>14678554
Can't lie, I laughed

>>14678479
I'm tempted to say Carlyle himself was even moreso a rhetorician, so much of his work was historical analysis and narratives
But what of Moldbug's self described ideology workshoping? Formalism, as I pointed out earlier in this thread, perhaps had it's core pieces in place since Hobbes but the overall product is rather new right? He expressly states that he's presenting the answers of old political scientists and philosophers but I think there are novel ideas too, even if only in synthesis.
You could say neoreaction itself is his original output, which is composed of 3 new ideologies: Formalism, Patchwork and Neocameralism. That seems more original than most I'd say
>>14678536
Somehow referring to "the Cathedral" comes off as cringe to me even if it's a useful definition. I don't think mentioned it at all in Tekwars, right?

Someone needs to make a Moldbug soijack. I want to post it together with excerpts from UR.

>>14678656
I think that far more important than his contributions or solutions is how he "unfucks" progressives. NRx is ultra gay, but he managed to "red pill" a bunch of people at a very critical time. maybe I'm just looking at it from the perspective of a left leaning person who got majorly dissillusioned by the Letter to Open Minded Progressives, but I don't think his ideas are that good. (Yes, Carlyle was also a rhetoritician.). Eh, I'm just moving goalposts here. I'm conceding defeat, but I still think I'm right, but only because I'm not as good of a rhetoritician as him.

>>14672993
>Yud has IMO gone off the deep end.
Is he still active? I got the feeling he was writing less often and basically had settled into life as a milquetoast eccentric boomer.

>>14678656
>"the Cathedral" comes off as cringe
Its unfortunate but I agree
>I don't think mentioned it at all in Tekwars, right?
Not once. Of course its referred to and implied in roundabout and tactful ways however. Clear pill doesn't use the term at all either. Clearly Moldbug must have found it a bit off putting also

>>14678706
Not sure. He's been producing cringe Facebook posts from time to time, but no real writing besides that one LN IIRC.

>>14678724
The Cathedral is mentioned by Kantbot once I think.

>>14678702
Yeah, I get that. I like all his ideas but sometimes think our government isn't all that bad. It's decently undemocratic but still has democratic outlets to direct people's political frustrations, not the worst system over all.
And you know, I think he feels the same way about the NRx brand. Probably part of why he's rebranding himself now. A lot of that blogosphere (especially Michael Anissimov), was cringe. Tons of monarchists who rather missed the point of UR too. Land was perhaps the best of them but I'm not sure Moldbug even likes him or has ever interacted with him

>>14678762
>he's rebranding himself now

>>14678762
NRx is wrongly named. Scott Alexander actually wrote about this. In fact SA toys with Moldbug more and more in his posts if you know what to look for.

>>14678554
>>14678579
I'm completely uninvolved in your debate, but I find it pretty amazing that the onions picture can now be used to deride right-to-far-right-leaning anti-SJWs.
I guess we're close to having onions faces on nazi uniforms if it's not already done.

>>14678988
>to deride right-to-far-right-leaning anti-SJWs
I thought it was being used to deride some fanboys.

>>14678988
I think that's ironic, the meme is too dead to be effective in that context.

>>14668676
"can love bloom on the battlefield" mencius moldbug

>>14679006
Originally it was specifically aimed at left-leaning idpol and SJW types, and soon enough mainstream "liberal" normies. But I guess like all successful memes it started become applicable to anything.

>>14678988
It's just calling the person a pussy, it can apply to practically anyone. It especially works well against people who are moralizing, and the far right definitely do fall into that tone sometimes.

>>14669756
It's TekWar, singular. They also made some weird first person shooter DOS game out of it

>>14674743
The thing that was going to get him cancelled was the Culture War thread on his blog's subreddit, r/slatestarcodex. It got split off to a different subreddit, r/themotte to preserve him. I don't have a link to his request to the subreddit to get rid of the culture war thread off hand, but it isn't too important.

SA himself discussed hatefacts in a few pieces, particularly "Race and Justice: Much More Than You Wanted To Know". His blog contains a lot of good writing in spite of his personal left-libertarianism, his self-castration with anti-depressants, and being hounded by unironic SJW types who surround him in the Bay Area.

>>14679179
Moldbug also lives in SF. I dunno how he manages, I would have killed myself ten times over.

>>14668691
They're a cute couple, desu senpai

>>14678988
>I'm completely uninvolved in your debate

All of these characters are so cringe, I’m out forever /lit/

>>14669908
He looks like Louis from Revenge of the Nerds

>>14672267
Moldbug made that funny comment about BAP being his White House insider in 2016 and threw him a bone by cracking that "nude bodybuilders flash mob" joke, but wrote a fairly dismissive and vaguely antagonistic review of BAM in the American Mind a few months ago. Not sure what their relationship is or if they ever speak.

>>14679215
He loves the material fruits of neoliberalism.

>>14678656
>Somehow referring to "the Cathedral" comes off as cringe
I preferred it when it was just called "The System". Semantically it's no different in regards to Technique.

>>14678656
all the NRx terms being embarrassing as fuck is a feature imo, it keeps away people who can't think but evaluate everything based on whether it's fashionable.

>>14679802
NRx is just Libertarianism without the the glib veneer of Egalitarianism.

>>14679848
nrx was an incoherent clusterfuck of autism but that is precisely why I liked it so much. Extremely atypical quantities of honesty for political discussion

>>14679848
Lol libertarianism isn’t egalitarian and, even if it was, NRx is nothing like it

>>14678656
I think it was mentioned, but call it whatever you want

>>14678724
>offputting
Maybe moreso the fact that it’s just 10 years old. Honestly, no ‘Mencken’ terms really caught on. I don’t think UR popularized the red pill. 4chan did, and 4chan didn’t need anyone else to talk about it any more than it needed anyone to talk about Fight Club or V For Vendetta. I doubt anyone was reading Moldbug at the time.

>>14678762
>it’s not so bad... because it’s democratic
Wasn’t the thrust of his argument that democracy is a sub par system?

>>14678909
What’s a better name

>>14680111
Libertarianism has egalitarian roots in that it thinks most people are capable of behaving themselves. In reality you need authoritarian power structure to facilitate anything other than anarchy because most people are chimps.

>>14680190
This.
The idea is to lull everyone into a sense of false equality to eliminate regulitory barriers and once those barriers are down, it's a mad dash to see who can jew over their neighbor the fastest. The person that jews the most owns everyone's freedom, and wins the game.

>>14680180
I’m not arguing on behalf of Moldbug here, just my own thoughts. Moldbug identifies some of this in the clear pill as thymotic anthems and pistoic functions. People have political motives and a desire for power, two and four stroke regimes have their own signature mechanisms for dealing with this. Moldbug seems to think these energies can be redirected to productive and unrevolutionary outlets. I’m something of an absolutist myself but I’m not totally convinced that any absolutist system (whether 2-stroke or a sovcorp or whatever) can be stable despite these revolutionary forces. I’d argue such forces are evil but you still need to design with them in mind.
So I basically ask myself the following question: is the ideal political system one with no outlet for revolutionary forces, or is it one with a useless outlet for revolutionary forces? If the civil service really does truly run this country then we live in a form of the latter. Is this an advantage, or does any outlet cause more trouble than it’s worth? I don’t value political freedom but if people go crazy without it we may need to work with that

I am surprised that I enjoy listening to this podcast. Could somebody please upload all the new episodes

>>14678559
kek

This is what patchwork fags actually believe

>Let’s start with my ideal world – the world of thousands, preferably even tens of thousands, of neocameralist city-states and ministates, or neostates. The organizations which own and operate these neostates are for-profit sovereign corporations, or sovcorps. For the moment, let’s assume a one-to-one mapping between sovcorp and neostate. […] Let’s pin down the neocameralist dramatis personae by identifying the people who work for a sovcorp as its agents, the people or organizations which collectively own it as its subscribers, and the people who live in its neostate as its residents.

>A Neocameral ‘neostate’ is not owned by its residents or its agents. Its ‘monarch’ (or ‘CEO’) is an executive appointment. (90% of all confusion about Neocameralism, and Neoreaction in general, stems from a failure to grasp this elementary point.) Note: ‘subscribers’ (plural). More coming on this immediately.

>Every patch of land on the planet has a primary owner, which is its sovcorp. Typically, these owners will be large, impersonal corporations. We call them sovcorps because they’re sovereign. You are sovereign if you have the power to render any plausible attack on your primary property, by any other sovereign power, unprofitable. In other words, you maintain general deterrence. […] (Sovereignty is a flat, peer-to-peer relationship by definition. The concept of hierarchical sovereignty is a contradiction in terms. …) […] The business of a sovcorp is to make money by deterring aggression. Since human aggression is a serious problem, preventing it should be a good business. Moreover, the existence of unprofitable governments in your vicinity is serious cause for concern, because unprofitable governments tend to have strange decision structures and do weird, dangerous things. […] (Nuclear deterrence (mutual assured destruction) is only one small class of deterrent designs. To deter is to render predictably unprofitable. Predictably unprofitable violence is irrational. Irrational violence is certainly not unheard of. But it is much, much rarer than you may think. Most of the violence in the world today is quite rational, IMHO.) […] General deterrence is a complex topic which deserves its own post. For the moment, assume that every square inch of the planet’s surface is formally owned by some sovcorp, that no one disagrees on the borders, and that deterrence between sovcorps is absolute.

>>14680453
Sounds like the setting of Snow Crash.

>>14680453
Are you the same guy posting ancap pics in land threads? Are you of a retarded variety of person? Do you actually not understand Moldbug and Land want precisely and incontrovertibly the exact opposite of the picture you attached with that post? Do you walk into random political threads and post cringey political comics about people from ideologies with vaguely similar wikipedia articles?

>>14679674
That piece he wrote was full of praise IMO.

>>14676231
>>14678425
>>14678554
fucking lol

>>14680180
>What's a better name
Well, instead of 'patchwork' you could say 'extreme localism' - like Taleb does. Also simply drop 'NRx' and just call it Formalism, and emphasize the legal aspect instead of the political one.

Those opportunities are lost at this point though, which is unfortunate.

How's Shangai today. Mr Land?

>>14681891
kek a literal ancap

>>14677101
>Basically Moldbug just wants the Combine from Half Life 2
Yeah the Combine were exactly right to deal with you commie faggots

>>14679007

>>14681891
How are they different? That's exactly what Moldbug is saying, almost word for word.

>>14668676
>It's an honor, Mr. kantbot. I am here to complete the system of German Idealism.

Kek

>>14684655
The ancap image? Moldbug's system involves extremely authoritarian government, basically the opposite of ancap anti-government ideology.

>>14677306
who is this again?

>>14684681
>going to war because someone forgot their quarter
>not authoritarian
>tens of thousands of corporation states running their own version of Academi
What causes these levels of idiocy?

>>14684832
The ancaps have a formula for legitimacy based on contracts, Moldbug's authoritarian view of politics is based on recognizing the reality of force-based dominance.

>94 posters itt
for a literal who e-celeb e-thinker
>tekwars
did i wake up in an alternate dimension or what? is this nu/lit/ with people from pol? one could think a pol mod moved this thread to lit

>>14684785

who the fuck would pay for tekwars?
i'm glad the "big" episodes were posted itt
>moldbug
uhhh ehhh ahhh ummm hehhhh ahhh emmmm yehhhh ahhhhh
>land (with spencer WHY) for 1 hr only
it was like listening to an alt-right podcast in 2016.
"dude ethnostate, whats white mean?, based poland, hungary, japan!"

>>14685116
>>14685164
Not a single substantial criticism.

>>14685196
why should i waste my time on criticizing tekwars or this literal who i had to google? it's just pseudo intellectualism, self exaltation, vanity.

>>14684850
stfu pseud

>>14685215
Then why did you even waste time on making the post? And how do you know it's pseudery when you've never read it?

>>14684832
You know moldbug literally wrote a blog post titled “why I am not a libertarian”? If you ever actually read anything he ever wrote you would perhaps be better at wildly guessing what he believes in.

>>14685658
Why would I ever read garbage like that?
But point out the difference. This is literally just NAP
>>14673619

>>14685585
lel I knew you were a retard

>>14685779
>let me babble on about shit I haven't read
go back

>>14684850
>he doesn't understand that ancapism can't actually be anarchist and will immediately look like patchwork
>can't even read memes but wants to make arguments

>>14685790
I was here first so you're violating the NAP.

>>14685787
fuck you and your epstein island dystopia

>>14685790
Literally just ignore them pham

>>14669908
What a ratty-faced kike

>>14685790
why would anyone read any further? pseud trash that has no understanding of the ideas or the implications

>>14685858
You are so fucking mad that people read this guy lmao

>>14685831
>DON'T LET THEM TAX YOUR EMOTIONAL PROPERTY!

most of you plebs don't even deserve to be initiated into his mysteries.

>>14685869
ok pedo

>>14685791
These ancap strawman images are kind of annoying.

There would be consumer investigative agencies.

>>14685978
kek

>>14685779
Libertarians want to eliminate conflict with the NAP. They believe deterrence is enough to do this, and that nobody can own another person.
Moldbug wants to reduce conflict by creating a formal system of ownership that is both de facto and de jure. The NAP doesn't exist. If you can't defend what you own you don't own it. The Libertarians think you do.
This fundamentally different and foundational analysis of power has significant effects on the political systems they are based on.

Consider this passage from the Formalist Manifesto (or better yet, read it you illiterate bastard):

>But if there is one thing all libertarians do believe, it’s that the Americans should get America back. In other words, libertarians (at least, real libertarians) believe the US is basically an illegitimate and usurping authority, that taxation is theft, that they are essentially being treated as fur-bearing animals by this weird, officious armed mafia, which has somehow convinced everyone else in the country to worship it like it was the Church of God or something, not just a bunch of guys with fancy badges and big guns.

>A good formalist will have none of this.

>Because to a formalist, the fact that the US can determine what happens on the North American continent between the 49th parallel and the Rio Grande, AK and HI, etc., means that it is the entity which owns that territory. And the fact that the US extracts regular payments from the aforementioned fur-bearing critters means no more than that it owns that right. The various maneuvers and pseudo-legalities by which it acquired these properties are all just history. What matters is that it has them now and it doesn’t want to give them over, any more than you want to give me your wallet.

>So if the responsibility to fork over some cut of your paycheck makes you a serf (a reasonable reuse of the word, surely, for our less agricultural age), that’s what Americans are—serfs.

>Corporate serfs, to be exact, because the US is nothing but a corporation. That is, it is a formal structure by which a group of individuals agree to act collectively to achieve some result.

>So what? So I’m a corporate serf. Is this so horrible? I seem to be pretty used to it. Two days out of the week I work for Lord Snooty-Snoot. Or Faceless Global Products. Or whoever. Does it matter who the check is written to?

>>14686071
>only the consequences matter
>except that they don't
What a retard

>>14686071
that graphic tho

>at least someone got da power do

All the quotes I've seen are less than midwit-tier. And also so fucking wrong.

>>14686154
nobody cares about your whining

>>14670524
I've seen a lot of complaints about his verbosity but I honestly don't think it would work without the lulling, comforting effect of paragraphs and paragraphs of patter.

>>14686154
You can leave at any time

>>14672813
He got ejected from a tech conference for the "blacks were extra suited for slavery" stuff.

>capitalism will work this time guys
>we just need to give tech nerds more power to run software

>>14685215
Its funny because that's exactly what this post is.

>>14686223
If your thread is cope from the start then maybe it's your meme politics that are the problem.

>>14686208
>>capitalism will work this time guys
you guys are just painfully unfunny

>>14686234
Seething pseud

so let me get this straight, is he saying that we SHOULD be ruled by a corporate style government?

>>14686270
No. CEO and air traffic controller skype-conglomerates.
VIOLENCE SCARY. MUST PREVENT WITH ABSOLUTE NON-VIOLENCE.

>>14686250
>NOOOOOOOO!!!! YOU CAN'T MAKE FUN OF MOLDYBUGGYWUGGGIE!!! HE SOUNDED SOOOOO AMAZING!!!!!!!!

>>14686270
>The standard Patchwork remedy for this problem is the cryptographic chain of command. Ultimately, power over the realm truly rests with the shareholders, because they use a secret sharing or similar cryptographic algorithm to maintain control over its root keys. Authority is then delegated to the board (if any), the CEO and other officers, and thence down into the military or other security forces. At the leaves of the tree are computerized weapons, which will not fire without cryptographic authorization.

triggered chapo tankie zoomer r*dditor spamming wojaks

>>14686375
>because the sovcorp synagogue would be nothing like the tankie sovcorp

>>14686385
>zoomer replies with a tweet
go back to r*ddit

>>14686404
>frogtwitter accfag
>complains about twitter

>>14686423
>everyone posting is the same
dumb zoomer redditor. everyone is anonymous here! i don't use twitter either

>>14686443
https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/4bxf6f/im_curtis_yarvin_developer_of_urbit_ama/

I for one am curious why Moldbug isn't publishing on Jacobite mag. It's practically named after him, and it's good enough for Land....

>>14686497
>good enough for another pseud

>>14686497
Jacobin mag? they're not even real marxists, more like establishment left.

>>14686516
no dummy, Jacobites are the opposites of Jacobins
https://jacobitemag.com/2017/06/10/jacobite-why-bother/
Also I have to greatly thank Moldbug and his writing on the Jacobite cause because it has led to me discovering the plethora of highly kino Jacobite tunes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cPitxtk4m0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lK7hLNxCY9E