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Schuon said that the thing that attracts us to Mary is her form. Sort of like a formless form in which we can lay. Are there any books on the sacrality of nakedness? On the ur-nakedness of the Mother archetype? On a metaphysical take on the Oedipus complex?

>> No.14681163

>>14681112
The female body is unaesthetic and gross.

>> No.14681696
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14681696

>>14681112
gross
>>14681163
wrong and gay

>> No.14681702
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14681702

>>14681696
wrong image, those are shit tier

>> No.14681736

I haven't fucked in four years, I'm too much of a prude to hire a prostitute and too ugly and misogynistic to ask some woman on a date. I think I'm going insane, these images spark the feeling. Books for this feel?

>> No.14681746

>>14681112
Fap fap fap

>> No.14681788

>>14681736
Coom

>> No.14681837
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>>14681112
>Are there any books on the sacrality of nakedness?

Start with the Greeks

>> No.14681857
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14681857

>>14681163
FPBP, women are as goofy looking as fuck. Big hips, masses of fat on their chest, weaker, etc. Nothing can beat a male in peak physical shape in pure aesthetics.

Face it coomers, women are the inferior sex in every regard

>> No.14681935

>>14681112
Is this a contemporary painting?

>> No.14681946
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14681946

>>14681112
fat

>>14681163
>>14681857
faggots

>>14681696
>>14681702
add like 3% more body fat and it would be perfect

>>14681746
>>14681788
>>14681837
>>14681935
coomers

>> No.14681956

>>14681702
>thinking this is a superior example of a human being
Stop thinking with your cock

>> No.14681960

>>14681935
It's a painting by Leonid Gervits, who was born in 1946. I can't find the date for this particular painting but he has some that look similar from the 00s

>> No.14681975

>>14681956
she has form; the fat woman in the painting lacks form. form triumphs the formless.

>>14681960
>realism in the 20th century
cringe

>> No.14681989

>>14681975
Instead of being autistic about periods and styles you could just look at the painting itself. Which is not that good lol

>> No.14681995
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14681995

so many faggots on here disliking thick women, the peak of feminine beauty. Looks like the gay fashion industry has won in brainwashing men into loving stick like, flat women, no curves, like men themselves.

>> No.14681996

>>14681989
no, the style needs to be examined. realism when photograph exists is completely retarded. realism, itself, should have only existed for purely documentary purposes. there is no reason a simulacrum of a subject should be deemed as noteworthy art, or even as art at all.

>> No.14682000
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>>14681995
thicc is a cope, just like having a chink gf

>> No.14682003

>>14681996
photography has only bolstered new surrealism especially in architecture.
I think modern chemical paints have a greater impact then photography. If the artist doesn't use photographic aid of course.

>> No.14682005

>>14681996
It's never really 'realism'. Even tracing a photo isn't some objective version of sight. To say that the sort of style in the OP simply can't be painted anymore is needlessly restrictive. Going off and doing new styles doesn't mean you have to attack the old one.

>> No.14682006

>>14681995
>men have no curves
Talk about brainwashing

>> No.14682014

>>14682005
>Even tracing a photo isn't some objective version of sight.
it creates a simulacrum of the object, despite whatever way you wish to frame it. it is all completely degenerative art. post-modern "art" has more merit than this shit, as it at least deconstructs shitty definitions of art.

true art connects to viewer to transcendental ideals (ie truth, beauty, goodness, self-actualization, duty, etc.) creating simulacrum only further perverts reality and takes us away from transcendence.

>> No.14682042

>>14682014
You can't just create some formula for good and bad art. There is no reason why you couldn't make a good painting in a 'realist' or 'postmodern' style today. Calling the former merely a simulacrum seems ridiculous when you can fit all sorts of symbolism or religious or surreal qualities into such a painting.

>> No.14682104

>>14682042
>You can't just create some formula for good and bad art
that is precisely my point. attempting to create formula for it would seek to assign quantitative value to it, which detaches it from intuition/qualitative judgement.

>Calling the former merely a simulacrum seems ridiculous when you can fit all sorts of symbolism or religious or surreal qualities into such a painting.
so shoehorning symbols into something makes it qualitatively good? a symbol, in of itself, is a simulacrum. the question then becomes, if it is effective at reconnecting people with its original, transcendent meaning via an active experience through the art.

>> No.14682110

>>14681112
Oh hey look, it’s my gf

>> No.14682113

>Schuon said
Stopped reading there

>> No.14682149

>>14682104
Of course shoehorning it in wouldn't work, but I don't think that is necessarily what a given realist painting would be doing. The composition of the painting will have much more going on if it is actually trying to express something like what you're calling transcendental meaning.

>> No.14682181

>>14682104
WOW, Ya your being kinda reductionist...

>> No.14682192

>>14682149
>The composition of the painting will have much more going on if it is actually trying to express something like what you're calling transcendental meaning.
then it stopped being realism and became actual art.

>>14682181
no i am not. you either take the post-structuralist view where anything is art, or you take the perennialist view where art must invoke transcendental qualities in the viewer. any other definition is larp and retarded.

>> No.14682196

>>14682192
>then it stopped being realism and became actual art.
lol. Well ok. But such a painting could have a relatively real looking naked chick could it not anon.

>> No.14682224

>>14682196
sure, but why would you classify it realist-art and not just art? if it can invoke transcendental qualities, then it is disconnected from realism as a concept, and instead connected/ derived from the concept of art itself.

>> No.14682256

>>14682224
I guess I wouldn't then.

>> No.14682260
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14682260

>>14682256
based

>> No.14682267

>>14681112
Holy coom that is hot

>> No.14682277

>>14681696
Nothing annoys me more than fake blondes and readheads

>> No.14682282

>>14682260
Who's this?

>> No.14682283

>>14681975
She looks like a bird and is skinny and fat in all the wrong places

>> No.14682286

>>14681995
During the classical and rococo painting period, women weren't allowed to model and those women are modeled after male bodies.

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>>14681112
what are some books where the mc gets a thick gf?

>> No.14682301

>>14681975
>she has form
Yeah, of an ironing board

>> No.14682304

>>14682286
you could hire a hooker to model for you or simply look at the classical nudes done in sculpture or painting, faggot

>> No.14682305

>>14682287
Berlin Alexanderplatz

>> No.14682312

>>14681995
>this artist likes fat women
>thus, everyone must also prefer the same women

You truly are a dunce -- but, that goes without saying since you like Rubens' work.

>> No.14682322

>formless form
Plato was discoursing on his theory of ideas and, pointing to the cups on the table before him, said while there are many cups in the world, there is only one ‘idea’ of a cup, and this cupness precedes the existence of all particular cups. “I can see the cup on the table,” interrupted Diogenes, “but I can’t see the ‘cupness’.” "That's because you have the eyes to see the cup," said Plato, "but", tapping his head with his forefinger, "you don't have the intellect with which to comprehend ‘cupness’.” Diogenes walked up to the table, examined a cup and, looking inside, asked, "Is it empty?" Plato nodded. “Where is the ‘emptiness’ which precedes this empty cup?” asked Diogenes. Plato allowed himself a few moments to collect his thoughts, but Diogenes reached over and, tapping Plato's head with his finger, said “I think you will find here is the ‘emptiness’.”

>> No.14682325

>>14682304
Sculpture and ESPECIALLY painting did not become highly competent until the renaissance. And the church is why they didn't allow female modeling. If it weren't for the medicis blocking the church from interfering with their artiatic vassals western art wouldn't be where it is today. Bottecelli himself burned a lot of his work depecticing classical scenes out of repentance for the church.

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>>14681112

>> No.14682358
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>>14682312
there is a difference between thick and fat. Also, I'd go with a master painter's conception of the ideal feminine form over what the faggy fashion industry displays: anorexic, androgynous women whose bodies are devoid of curves.

>> No.14682362

>>14681696

Bad taste desu

>> No.14682369
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14682369

>>14682358
counterpoint

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14682377

>>14681696
i like my girls with a bit more meat

>> No.14682381

>>14682358
>I'd go with a master painter's conception of the ideal feminine form over what the faggy fashion industry displays: anorexic, androgynous women whose bodies are devoid of curves.

Of course you would -- not that either matters. Master painters aren't authorities on what anyone else should prefer; neither are fashion designers.

There is no authority on this but your own preference. If you need to point to an old painter as if they're a deity on the matter, then you can't be helped.

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14682391

>>14682369
*blocks your path*

>> No.14682399

>>14682391
no need to knock either one

>> No.14682400

>>14682377
>>14681696

Bland plastic basic bitches

>> No.14682401

>>14682381
our tastes aren't created in a vacuum. They are shaped by whatever guidelines we impose upon them. I impose those of the past masters. weeb

>> No.14682402

>>14681163
Yeah its proportions suck but luckily sex blinds us to that fact

>> No.14682411

>>14682391
>>14682377
Dime a dozen fake whores who are good for nothing but their holes. Yawn. Do women realize how utterly interchangeable and worthless they truly are?

>> No.14682412

>>14682322
Thanks reddit

>> No.14682447

>>14681112
Mary veneration is catholic autism. Feminine archetype's are understandable but it should not be embodied in Mary.

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14682663

>>14682411
Girls that look like that are a dim a dozen, and yet you've never had sex with one

>> No.14682675

>>14681736
The Elementary Particles

>> No.14682680

>>14681696
Terrible taste, absolutely uninteresting

>> No.14682702

>>14682369
Gonna have to pass, eyebrows are a must for me. Not like unibrows, but they actually have to be visible

>> No.14682752 [DELETED] 

>>14681112
What painting is this?

>> No.14682775

>>14681112
This is a very interesting thread topic that I wish would have been treated more seriously. Would love to know more of everything on this subject. Looking up this “Schuon”.

>> No.14682850
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>>14681975
I like the form of her loose, sagging, dry, aged skin on her lumpy and unattractive body. It's clear why her visage is superior to what women have looked like for thousands of years. In the defense of women thousands of years ago, they were not aware of the diet that is caloric restriction followed by binging on junk food.

>> No.14682873

>>14681112
im going to fap to this. where can i find more of this body type boys.

>> No.14682878

>>14682873
based coomer

>> No.14682880

>>14682325
sounds like a twitter myth bro. shut up and post pudgy cuties.

>> No.14682885

>>14682775
This. I'd like to know aswell.

>> No.14682888

>>14682325
Ya but Caravaggio killed a guy while trying to cut his dick off because he took one of his models so thats pretty based right guys?

>> No.14682889

>>14682775
>>14682885
what are you guys talking about? honestly i didnt even read op. im >>14682873 btw.

>> No.14682923

>>14682889
type "century nude" (with quotes) into google machine

>> No.14683078

>>14681946
The only intelligent thing Evola has ever said.

>> No.14683106

>>14682000
you realize those are 2 separate people right? after the cut they switch

>> No.14683154

>>14682391
bet she blocks my toilet too.

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14683285

>>14681946
eurocope is the best cope

>> No.14683433

>>14682923
i dont use google bro. privacy n that yunno.

>> No.14683642

>>14681946
Two world wars Mario.

>> No.14683689

>>14681946
>'non-A therefore B' is the refutation of 'A therefore B'
jesus christ evola didn't even understand basic logic

>> No.14683709

>>14683433
Then use it on tails + tor yunno. Because if you think DDG doesn't collect / Google can't track you regardless, you're an idiot yunno.

British faggot

>> No.14683722

>>14682377
yikes, meat is good but its gotta be curvaceous.

>> No.14683800

>>14681696
Kill, fuck, marry.

>> No.14683815
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>>14681696
>>14683800
kill, kill, kill
also kill the one taking the picture

>> No.14683820

>>14683815
>kill kill kill
But then I'd have to fuck you.
Was that your plan all along?

>> No.14683861

>>14682000
Thicc is very real but is often used as a cope by fatfags
I’ve had a sticc gf a fat gf and a thicc gf, the thicc gf was by far the most active and athletic because the thiccness came from muscle not from fat
Reubens painted fat chicks though

>> No.14683865

>>14683820
Based homosexual misogynist

>> No.14684535

>>14683861
>Reubens painted fat chicks though

All his models were middle-aged men. Fact.

>> No.14684547

>>14683285
Does this include the shooting score?

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>>14683285

>> No.14684625

>>14683815
Baste

>> No.14685156

>>14684547
Someone cap this for the reddit front page

>> No.14685813

>>14683709
why are you so rude. im not british. i block google.

>> No.14685933

>>14683800
The middle one is the most beautiful by far, but you'd rather marry her friend?

>>14685813
I mistook your post for ladspeak and wanted to fuck with you

>> No.14686630

>>14681112
>the thing that attracts us to Mary
I've never in my life heard about the idea of attraction to Mary.

>> No.14687583

>>14685933
Oi wot's wrong wiv being British yer facking kant, yer facking pleb wiv yer hoighty-toighty forrin facking accent, if it wasn't for the anonymity of this anonymous image board I'd cut ya etc.

>> No.14688238

>>14681112
https://discord.gg/3UH89UV

>> No.14689730

>>14685156
>t. mutt

>> No.14691045

>>14681112
Or maybe she’s just dummy thicc

>> No.14691336

>>14681112
Why am i attracted to women with the same body type of my mom?