/lit/ - Literature

>>14665909
Just read Guenon (pbuh).

Fix (kill) women.

Create a chan which doesn't allow mobiles to access it.

End capitalism
Which is either going to be really painful or done in reasonable stages, or somewhere in between.

In the meantime you can fix it for yourself by going and starting a little self sustainable farm with some folks. Shew.

>>14665921
Scapegoatist pig

>>14665931
it's "shoo"

>>14665909
GET OFF ELECTRONICS. USE THEM ONLY WHEN ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY!

>>14665931
FUCK how do i stop its so fucking entertaining and addicting.

>>14665934
English. Go figure.

>>14665940
I know. If you love books enough. Turn off or cancel the internet

>>14665909
They are a function of the larger tech problem (the problem of atomization). The solution is totalizing communities that create their own myths and rituals. Communities that can displace tech-worship as the deity of the new millennium. Something modeled after the Amish without necessarily embracing their ultra-parochial lifestyle.

>>14665909
What problem?

>>14665949
You really shouldn’t stop using the internet because it’s one of the easiest ways to find or be inspired with creativity and novel ideas or perspectives. The internet truly allows your mind and the curiosity withinside to be set free.

>>14665931
>In the meantime you can fix it for yourself by going and starting a little self sustainable farm with some folks
Ironically, as a fascist, this is exactly what I am implementing in my local community. They help work and tend the farm, and we are provided with more local and sustainable sources of food. It also gives a way for those on welfare to earn proper reward for what they are given.

>>14666004
How very socialist of you. Too bad you would support a tyrannical one party government and racial pogroms

>>14665909
Do you know how to make an EMP?

It’s not a problem, it has the capacity to emancipate the human race if we play our cards right and stay smart
All its current downsides are due to the friction caused between its rise and the stubbornness of the world it is disrupting

>>14666028
> one party government and racial pogroms
And there’s nothing wrong with that.
https://youtu.be/147Ifw6p8cM

>>14665931
>End capitalism
based

>>14666085
Right from the start. No. It’s not race.
Some people have no idea what culture is much less civilization. This guy is just itching to see trouble so he can blame it on his hangup. It is the most infantile mindset.

>>14666181
Okay. Before I read the book, what is the basis of culture and civilization?

>>14665920
based!

>>14666200
It’s the title
He makes a case for leisure time. Prefers philosophers from antiquities and Aquinas to Kant.
My two cents. Culture is like everything else. It changes. It changes everything. The arts come from the artists, the tastes come from the recipient of the arts. The culture of the modern world suffers for our being overworked. True the liberals tell us it’s fine and grand when they smash two or more together, and it is of some interest and no less a valid culture, it just feels “soulless” for various reasons. It’s rushed, too shocking for the sensitive types (traditionalists) and it’s all for sale, and all a distraction from the ills of the world. Fuck Hollywood and Marvel
Human beings make culture. Time washes the old away. Traditionalists need to adjust to this fact. And maybe some do, but all I hear is that they want to resurrect the past. I say pick what’s best and try to make that grow.
(I’m tired. Donno if I’m making sense anymore)

>>14666052
You really think so? Because to me it has brewed a depressed, distracted, and wayward society that seems to decline exponentially

>>14666279
You make plenty of sense, but I think you and the author are confusing culture with behavior. Culture is the primary foundation for how one behaves in a given environment, generally. It’s like how men and women are distinctly separate in behavior; genetics precedes all. Think about it this way: why is it Africans absolutely love to dance, and prefer to hell and back these ungodly bassy and rhythmic music? You can say Whites do too, but it’s obvious that this behavior is only entrained in them when it’s overly presented and surrounds them in their artificial environment. It’s also why we’ve never had success turning the ghettos fro, anything other than drug and crime infested areas. Blacks just have a genetically driven culture which predisposes them to act in my degraded and animalistic behavior. Again, Whites can be influenced into this, but only through the massive and widespread continuation of manipulation present in their environment. Take away the manipulation and you’ll see them revert. Read BF Skinner.

>>14666309
Only because we have people in control of the technology who would prefer that it be used in such a way because it encourages the growth and expansion of capital.

>>14665909
i'm horse anon and i almost exclusively phonepost. may be using it too much, but it doesn't interfere with life like it did at 14-15, pulled myself by the throat out of phone addiction hell by reading, drawing + crafts and excercise + walks.
you can restrict or ban kids and phones however much you want, it won't help their addiction, would only teach them to bypass. little shits must understand it themselves

>>14666342
You just need to teach kids properly how to identify with behavior that is conducive towards their future. Associate less with ego and more with Eros. Most parents don’t even know that they have much more control over how their kids act and behave. They think they are entirely helpless against technology, and most probably are because they were raised in a time when nine of this existed and see ignorant to how it all plays out. At least some recognized that watching tv all day is pretty fucking good at rotting your brain away.

>>14666356
4chins is "counterculture" enough for kids to listen to it. i'm glad we lately promote noporn, getting fit, reading and quitting consoomerism. sometimes i go out of my way on social media (instead of just listening to music and replying to fren's messages) and open the newsfeed with recommendations and ads, and dear Lord, what's popular with teens there is infinitely worse than the lowest quality baits here
i wish parents were serious about this brainmelting and addiction instead of just yelling at their god damn kids for being ofntheir phones

>>14666392
Well, what do you think happens when these same parents were raised to put their children in government run schools where they reach them to be completely reliant on authority and that they are helpeless themselves?

>>14665909
conscription desu

>>14666878
ok, bootlicker.

>>14666904
only an Americanised mind with no filia would say this

>>14666923
im a russkie and speaking from my country's experience. draft here does nothing good to individuals or society

>>14666181
>It is the most infantile mindset.
Now you understand what people think of marxists. Go and learn how the world works instead of advocating for a world where you will be even inferior.

>>14665909
We can't. People have been brainwashed into thinking that the purpose of their lives is to consume. There is not much happening in the world and focusing on creating a family with any moral values whatsoever is quite hard considering how libertine people are these days.

>>14666324
>He still believes Skinner

>>14665940
he tried to warn us

>>14667034
Disprove his argument that free will is nonexistent and that a majority of our behavior comes from reinforcement, aversive stimuli, and environmental contingencies. Tell me that everything we do is completely based in nature. Tell me that you have complete control over the life you were born into, the way your parents raised you, the school you attended, your classmates, your teachers, and you knew exactly how the outcome was going to be because your are a free-willed person who defies the rules of mathematics.

>>14665909
Only associate and fraternize with people who are unusually resistant to digital entertainment addiction and "technobating."

Begin a course of radical self-discipline aimed at integrating digital communication into your life to a (very) limited degree. Aim to control it's role in your life instead of treating it like a boogeyman (even though it might actually be very scary).

If you have a way to support yourself without them, smashing all your devices + cancelling the Internet might seem like a perfect solution -- it's exactly what did before going offline for a year. You will feel the consequences in other ways, however -- the changes you undergo as part of the process may (unfortunately) be seen by many as a form of maladjustment. You will have to lead the kind of life which is almost unheard of among other members of your cohort -- much of what you undertake (in terms of replacement 'technique') will lack any applicable precedent, and will not be relatable to most of your peers. I ended up having to ghost all but a few people I knew in order to keep from falling back into old routines. Being left behind by the world ultimately has a pretty hefty opportunity cost, and not as many "doomers" are as willing to pay it as they believe.

>2020
>not wanting to read the unfiltered thoughts of the masses

>>14666994
> does nothing good to individuals or society

That’s exactly the point.

>>14665983
>how to get an underdeveloped prefrontal cortex 101
Absorbing a bunch of information doesn’t make you more intelligent, it only turns you into a passive sponge. Relying on the internet too much instead of trying to figure things out in life yourself will come back to bite your ass.

>>14665909
unironically next to impossible. most schoolwork and jobs are wired to online platforms. you'd have to save up enough money, get a property far far far from the city, learn enough self-sufficiency skills and isolate yourself from family and friends (who are all social media addicts). And that's only setting up an internet/gadget-free environment. The biggest problem is how to co-exist with that world without de-stablizing your delicate environment. Let's say you're able to do all those things. So now you're getting invited to a wedding, you're not gonna understand the social protocols and conversations of most of them and they won't understand you. Or maybe you need to repair something in your cabin that only a pro can do, what are you gonna do, look for the yellow pages and call through a pay phone? How do you even know where a pay phone is? Or if your savings run out, what possible job can you do that will not require you having a phone?
The easiest and fastest solution is a world-wide power outage caused by a cosmic catastrophe

>>14665920
based and guenon pilled xD!

>>14665909
Outcompete drug A with drug B.
At this point nothing short of legalized psychedelics can make a dent in curbing screen addiction. People using psychedelics will naturally feel a repulsion to screens and an attraction to socially interact with the world around them. At lower doses at least. It's a damn shame we can't overcome the addiction to screens without collectively taking drugs, but that is just a testament to how addicting screens are.

>>14667363
what psychedelics do you recommend for someone who never took any before

>>14667474
I don't recommend any. I'm just noting a possible solution.

just lol at not blinding yourself in 2020
>instant freedom from anxiety-inducing spectacle and screen addiction
>fixation with pornography and visual entertainment is instantly obviated
>instantly gain the sympathy and merciful deference people can't help but offer the blind
>altruists fall over themselves to get you the inclusion/education/employment you deserve with the fewest possible obstacles along the way
>collect government and ADU benefits, ntm perpetual compensation if you can convincingly go blind in a preventable work "accident"
>instantly gain the mystique of a wise sage, superhuman hearing, ability to play blues music
>become low inhib and socially adventurous after forgetting what you look like (and what everyone else looks like lol)
Why aren't you blind yet, /lit/? Don't give me any shit about how you'll miss your book collection, learning braille is as easy as breathing

>>14665909
>and reddit

>>14666279
>Time washes the old away
Time legitimizes the old.

we dont. they are part of the present world.

we rather fix ourselves to see how those tools modify human life and accept the fundamental rupture they impose.

>>14667005
1. I’m an anarchist
2. Read Marx for once. You know nothing.

>>14667777
What a dumb hottake.

>>14666324
>you and the author are confusing culture with behavior.
>Culture is the primary foundation for how one behaves
This contradicts.the author thus far is only talking about the ability to think and consider philosophy. “Mental work” and all. I was just addressing the arts. How we behave is as different as our personalities. I suppose a nationalist prefers a homogenous society Japan, but see how different they are from one another. Like people who rail against direct democracy, it can only be done in small tribes. 200 Spartans at a time only. (Here I make my case for anarchism again)
Blacks live in ghettos not for genetic or cultural difference, but for economic differences. I cite the Tulsa race war, the eventual erasure of the Harlem Renaissance. They were allowed to live and prosper in peace for short whiles there but racist jealousy snuffed it out. So take away the manipulation, the state and capitalism, and we will naturally congregate to our like tribes and prosper, not with money, but with ourselves.

>>14665929
mobiles can fake being a computer
they're basically computers

>>14665931
>self sustainable farm
isn't this already the living model in asian villages
quick someone tell them to stop modernizing

>>14665909
It's too late. Civilization is doomed, just like it was when we invented the desktop computer, the web, email, the telephone, the postal service, writing, etc.

>>14665931
>End capitalism

>>14668058
Will God be at the center of the government?

>>14668058
Or will it be subjective? If this is the case, no thanks. I will stick to Christ and His Church

>>14665931
I want a big sustainable compound with many folks tho

>>14668123
>How we behave is as different as our personalities
To a degree. Italians talk with their hands. Mexicans are always making odd noises, whistling and hollering. Finns are notably reserved and quiet.
> Like people who rail against direct democracy, it can only be done in small tribes. 200 Spartans at a time only.
I agree heavily with this sentiment. This is why I support authoritarianism. People, especially of the European stock, need someone who is able to effectively corral and lead them. Look at has happened when deprived of their natural leaders. It turns into a libertarian shitshow where no one knows up from down.
>(Here I make my case for anarchism again)
Have you read Leviathan? If so, what’s you case against sacrificing some personal right for the security of authority? I believe many peasants in feudalism recognizes that a strong power which they invested themselves in helped guarantee that their village wouldn’t immediately be steamrolled by a random band of vandals (yes exceptions exist, I know.)
> Blacks live in ghettos not for genetic or cultural difference, but for economic differences
I mean, we could actually police ghettos heavily and force out the drugs and violence problems, but then the Blacks claim oppression and they choose to continue to live in shitholes. Really, it’s even more funny when they claim Whites gentrify black neighborhoods and the hood status to dwindle. Absolute truth that Blacks choose their culture to be ghetto culture.
> They were allowed to live and prosper in peace for short whiles there but racist jealousy snuffed it out
Can you source this for me? I’ve never hear this argument before.
> So take away the manipulation, the state and capitalism, and we will naturally congregate to our like tribes and prosper, not with money, but with ourselves.
Highly arguable, I’d like if you would extrapolate on this sentiment

>>14669693
Bump. I’m waiting, butterfly.

>>14665909
someoe should make a chan where you can only post every two hours.
would be funny and cool
very thumbs up indeed

>>14665909
>how do we fix the smartphone and social media digital disease problem?