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>People do bad things and good things. People should do only good things. Otherwise they are not logically sound. beep boop.

I'd punch this faggot in the face but I'm afraid his malnourished, vegan-fed frame would simply buckle under the impact lol

>>14661441
>denouncing apartheid in South Africa while asking your neighbors not to sell their houses to blacks.”


What moral equivalence nonsense it that.

Who would take apartheid over a mildly racist neighbor? Whatever ....

>>14661477
^ brainlet who does not understand analogies

I don't care about bulls, dogs, baby seals, hens, calves, or blacks

>>14661441
>muh Apartheid
Look at Africa before and After Apartheid.

>>14661441
I could kill this "man" in a single strike. It's amazing how much better balanced diets are than veganism

>>14661441
If he was genuinely consistent he’d stop publishing books too because the computers he writes them on are assembled with cobalt mined by child slaves in the Congo. The worse thing about people like Singer is that they’re not even consistent in their own beliefs - yet that have the audacity to lecture proles on ‘the good’. What fully following through on their own beliefs would lead them to realising, if they actually bothered, is that certain moral stances (in particular, those which are particularly ideologically driven,) are incompatible with equally, if not more, desirable material and societal realities that are demonstrably ‘good’. As an example, Singer suggests that instead of raising our own children, ‘the good’ would be better served if we sent the money we would have spent on them to, say, 10 African children instead. Not only is this position absurd, it’s also deeply insidious - especially when it is given free reign to masquerade as morally desirable by cowardly academics and midwits in the MSM.

ITT:

>>14661441
i rather like apartheid though

>>14661530
>Implying you can't eat meat and still believe those animals are being mistreated
Those are extreme cases, posed by vegan radicals in order to convert people to their cause.
Even if that were the norm, there are still options for ethical consumption of animal products, such as hunting your own meat or raising your own animals in humane and decent environments.

Food for thought: The fat in meat is what led early humans to grow larger brains.

Vegan diets are typically lower in fat, so could that explain why every vegan I meet is a full-fledged fucking retard?

Veganism is radical Marxism. But only for large multicelled organism.
The logical should include all life, but in their anti-specisim they are even more irrationally exclusionary.

>>14661581
bro science

>>14661441
Using moral arguments like this for veganism is retarded because you're ignoring the predatory nature of nearly all "top of the food chain" species.

>>14661441
What's the issue with hypocrisy exactly?

>>14661441
>t. an altruist Saint and possibly the Second Coming
Oh... no? Then shut up.

>>14661683
And yet, isn't using appeals to nature as an argument the truly retarded stance?

>>14661621
Nah, it's pretty much the scientific consensus.

>>14661683
>gud cuz natural
Are you retarded my guy

>>14661773
The scientific consensus is that veganism is good and you should minimize your consumption of animal fats

I dont care about any of those and will continue to eat meat

>>14661785
>MEAT GOOD
t. average meat eater

>>14661441
I'll stop eating meat if they promise to stop teaching Singer in Australian schools and universities

>>14661703
>ad hominem
Epic, just epic

>>14661783
> you should minimize your consumption of animal fats
Pretty much 100% absolutely wrong. Pretty much all modern health problems are caused by overconsumption of carbs and sugars.

Replacing carbs with animal fats is the #1 best thing you can do to stay healthy.

>>14661793
I'm not a vegan but he's a pretty good ethicist/philosopoher, I read a book by him introduction to ethics or something like that and he made good arguments

>>14661441
> "To write academic works for other academics and soon-to-be-academics about real world problems, and not spending this time in engaging in real protest or action, that is, risk your life, is like making jokes about airplane food in front of starving African children"
by anon.

>>14661812
>Pretty much all modern health problems are caused by overconsumption of carbs and sugars. Replacing carbs with animal fats is the #1 best thing you can do to stay healthy.
Pretty much 100% wrong. You've been memed by the keto fad diet which is a joke in the scientific consensus. Have fun with your heart problems.

>>14661812
>Pretty much all modern health problems are caused by overconsumption of carbs
Italians are shitting all over your internet meme by eating massive amounts of carbs and living long healthy lives with extremely low obesity rates.

>>14661566
I eat dog every day.

>>14661441
>To say one thing is bad, and another completely different thing is good, is hypocrisy, and hypocrisy is bad, and therefore you are wrong
So this is the power of vegan metaphysics

Singer is a larper. Spends his life writing books berating us to avoid suffering and not waste resources...

Yet goes on to avoid his dying mothers wishes and uses his money and medicine to prolong her life beyond its natural span.

Get in the bin.

>>14661861
Very cool and based

>>14661441
I have no problem with bullfighting, eating dogs or killing baby seals. He has a point, but it's not a very strong one

>>14661441
Yeah actually.

>>14661837
source faggot nigger
>>14661826
>>14661783
>appeal to authority
Please.

>>14661930
dude you literally brought up "scientific consensus" before lmao. and dietetic associations and certified nutritionists have more knowledge about this shit than whatever retarded blog you got your brain dead information from this is literally their field.

>>14661783
That's based more on the global warming effects of domesticated animals though. Veganism is associated with shorter lifespan

>>14661783
Not really, balanced diet and vegan are about the same healthwise. (Idk if either is better or worse for GAINS) Basically if youre concious of what you eat youre fine. Vegans jut have a bias since the lifestyle requires you to care about what you eat more

>>14661998
it isn't

>>14661954
Not the anon you were replying to. You're just as braindead as he is.

I could end this man's terrestrial status with a single stroke of my karate chop to the side of his head.

>>14661458
This is your brain on utilitarianism.

>>14661998
This is your brain on tripfaggery.

>>14661472
>blocks your path

Ted Kaczynski has solved the psychology behind activism.

>>14661930
>source faggot nigger
Just google faggot, look at obesity rates and life expectancies in Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy

>>14662049
he is a shallow thinker. if you take him seriously past the age of 13 you have a lot of reflecting to do.

Is there a bigger NPC test than Veganism? The cognitive dissonance your average carnoid will display can't be truly appreciated unless you've already made the switch. People who honestly admit they don't care about animals are the only non-insectoid meat eaters.

>>14661617
God I wish that were me.

>>14661441
I have an infinite supply of eggs from my grandparents farm and they don't keep hens in cages, they let them roam around the surroundings area. Get refuted, you hooknosed fag.

>>14662051
Correlation is not causation.

>>14661785
based
>>14661792
cringe

>>14661441
It’s honestly not a bad point; my only excuse is that I don’t claim to not have biases and I like cute things over delicious things

>>14662075
Fuck off nigger it's an entire country where everyone eats carbs like no tomorrow and lives past 80, your narrative has collapsed all around you.

>>14662081
Correlation is not causation, sugartits.

>>14662081
It hasn't and it isn't.

>>14662095
Yes it fucking does when an entire country is inhabited by people who demonstrate the exact opposite of your bullshit. Otherwise, how do you explain Italian carb-heavy cuisine along with their long life expectancies and low obesity rates?

>>14662081
>DUDE DO YOU KNOW WHAT A PIZZA PASTA CANNOLI IS? ITALIANS PIG OUT EVERYDAY AND LIVE UNTIL 200 WITHOUT GETTING FAT LMAO
*dies at 43*

>>14662120
Their other healthy lifestyle choices? They walk a lot and generally have lower portions

>>14662120
>correlation is not causation
You:
>Yes it fucking does

You don't even know what these words mean do you?

>>14662137
>Their other healthy lifestyle choices?
Cope, according to your "carbs are bad" bullshit they should outright not be healthy period.

>>14661441
I mean, the analogy is fucking retarded, but yeah, I agree with the sentiment. Which is why I don't kill animals for sport, like in bullfighting. It's also why I don't eat meat from an animal that was treated like absolute garbage, like factory farm hens and veal.

>>14662128
OOOOOOOoooooh!!! Get a load of this fuckin' guy!

>>14661518
Why write a paragraph when noone's gonna take your seriously after reading the first sentence? He's probably one of the top 10 most influential philosophers alive, so his books are going to change a lot of peoples minds. The cobalt in his computer is, indirectly, going to make slave-worker work 10 minutes longer? Prolong the existence of slave-labor one thousandth of a second? The good obviously outweights the bad here. Its a VERY SIMPLE calculus.

Your dumbass argument might have some validity if you use it against everyday vegans, but to someone like Singer? Shut up.

Peter Singer lives in a house, right? Likely a big one too. A house which would've killed many many animals, thousands of animals.

Everybody in this thread needs to start with the Greeks.

>“As long as Man continues to be the ruthless destroyer of lower living beings, he will never know health or peace. For as long as men massacre animals, they will kill each other. Indeed, he who sows the seed of murder and pain cannot reap joy and love.”

― Pythagoras

>>14663510
What about plants and microbes?

The Anglo is truly an enigma.

>>14661441
I hate americans so much, they destroyed our third world countries for material gains and now they're trying to kill our traditions for muh social rights, muh equality, muh liberal views, muh enviroment, muh veganism
My anger is only satisfied by knowing every american will burn in hell for what they did to the world

Eating animals isn't the same as animal abuse.

>>14662071
there's another level friend. carnoid < vegan < ???

keep digging.

>>14665517
breatharianism?

>>14661441
I’m still eating meat. I feel bad for the dogs and seals I guess but I’m not going to change my diet over it. And maybe it’s not as fucked up for those things to happen as we initially think. It probably happened all the time.

But no, you’re like a racist. You’re a BAD man! Because I said so!

>>14664302
The world has always been painted by some sort of powerful hedgemony. At least this one is only putting burgers in your mouth instead of lead and steel.

>>14661441
I agree.

Let’s start by killing all the carnivorous animals in the world. They’re dangerous!

>>14662002
Actually it is, seventh day Adventists have been practicing vegetarianism and veganism in the US and Europe long enough for them to be good candidates for lifespan studies, veganism is correlated with shorter lifespan vs vegetarian and balanced low meat diets.

And whilst correlation isn't causation it's still pretty telling.

>>14661518
i always read this kind of argument as cautioning against any sort of excessive self-righteousness and encouraging a bit more moral flexibility in how we judge others. that is, if you're going to bitch about something, you better be sure you've got all that shit straight on your end of things first.

seen as a literal recommendation, though, i don't suppose it holds up.

>>14661441
>is like denouncing apartheid in South Africa while asking your neighbors not to sell their houses to blacks.”
while supporting the continued existence of Israel*
I knew this loser would cop out at the last second, pretty weak, but we all know this is what he was thinking when he wrote this.

>>14661441
Yes. Ethicists make people seethe because not only do they show inconsistencies in our moral evaluations, but because normative ethics by their nature are practical and thus a moral critique is always also necessarily a critique of behaviour. And having someone tell you to change your behavior is the greatest insult to today's lazy, conformist and unimaginative conservative society. Same reason why environmental or feminist movements are met with the similiar ferocity, while ontological and epistemological disputes go mostly unnoticed.

>>14661441
>all animals have the same value
>this doesn't extend across taxonomic kingdoms tho lmao kill plants use antiseptic #YOLO

>>14667492
I agree FUCK plants, cut down the forests and raze the fields because I need my onions in my diet now.

>>14667492
cringe

Id try dog desu if it was considered a normal dish here, could care less about criticizing gooks half a world away

>>14661441
Yes. Apartheid is bad, yet I wouldn't sell my house to blacks. Eating beef is good, yet I wouldn't slaughter baby seals.
Nothing wrong with that.

>>14661441
Why cares? And every step you take you destroy the lives of billions of lifeforms, every breath you take you are murdering millions, every time you blink you are crushing hundreds. If you hate being powerful, then by all means cripple yourself into dust. This type of thinking is one step away from antinatalism.

>>14661441
>Singer's parents were Austrian Jews who immigrated to Australia from Vienna in 1939, after Austria's annexation by Nazi Germany.