/lit/ - Literature

>>14653005
Why does Milton get so much praise, I will never understand. Is it just because PL is such an epic?

>>14653005
Based OP

>>14653005
>huxley in F
why?

>>14653005
>Camões S tier
Based Based Based Based Based Based Based Based
Finally a good post here

>>14653077
so basically a standard opinion

>excluding Sophocles, Hesiod, Virgil, Plutarch, Seneca
Eat rat poison

>>14653098
I can't realistically rank them. It's not because I don't think they're the greatest writers of all time - I do. They're just so influential that it's hard to discern their ranking.

>>14653005
What is your reasoning for placement? Is there some sort of established rubric you're working with?

>>14653106
No rubric, I just went with my gut. It made sense to include the major national authors in the S Tier category.

>>14653090
Standard for people with more than 2 braincells, you know .01% of lit

>>14653005
The real top tier should be Shakespeare, Montaigne, Proust, and Borges. Based of you to put Montaigne up there, a lot of plebs forget him.

>>14653005
Wilde is F, Kafka lower please, Austen lower please, Fitzgerald is A, Flaubert lower please, Tolstoy is S, Woolf is A, Twain is lower, please actually remove Wilde from list.

>>14653132
>Based of you to put Montaigne up there
op probably just got a list from somewhere then google half of those

>>14653117
Is it regarding how influential each person was? If they brought something new to literature? Quality of writing overall? Societal impact?

>>14653184
Quality of writing, with no regard for influence except for in the S tier category as I mentioned earlier. This is why Hart Crane is in the A tier and the slightly overrated Mark Twain is D tier.

>>14653196
Interesting. How do you personally grade quality of writing?
I'm not giving you shit, by the way. I'm just curious about the list.

>>14653005
Nick Land in S.

>>14653005
Machado de Assis A tier. Based OP, i don't think 1% of this board have read him

>>14653201
>>14653201

Prose/The Hand: How well does the writer wield their language of choice? How complex or [appropriately, duly] uncomplicated is their diction and syntax? (Remember, if you have the means you can choose your language, as Nabokov, Conrad, and Beckett did.)

Plotting and Pacing/The Time: How well does the writer convey events with regard to time as it illustrates itself in the mind? Contrary to popular belief, this also applies to poetry. (Proust obviously ranks highly in this category among novelists.)

Psychology/The Interior: How realistically do the writer’s characters act, behave, believe, and think (if we have access to the latter)? This category applies to dialogue.

Environment/The Exterior: How detailed and realistic is the physical world in which the characters are placed? Even if the work is speculative, does it at least observe basic conventions of spatial reality?

>>14653247
>be me
>find list of all the most influential authors
>gloss over their wikis
>rank them all in zoomer fad format
>gather (you)'s from idiots that think i actually read all of this shit

>>14653005
shakespeare in b tier

>>14653201
The four categories I use are prose, pacing, psychology, and environment.

>>14653269
I've read at least one work by each of these authors. Fuck u.

Hmmm...I’m going to look at this again later

>>14653295
yes i have read their wikis too my friend

bump, opinions on it?

Bump

>>14653005
Reminder that /lit/ once collaborated on this shitty thing

>>14653005
S: Muhammad
everyone else is irrelevant

>>14653181
You've inadvertently exposed your posturing...

>>14653016
get a load of this guy

>>14653005
>A: Machado de Assis, Hart Crane
>B: Flaubert, Faulkner, Keats
>C: Hugo, Yeats, Donne, Ibsen
What faggot world do you live in where Machado is better than Hugo, Flaubert, and Faulkner and where Crane is better than Keats, Yeats, and Donne? Just what the fuck. And Ibsen a fucking C, are you kidding me??

>>14654984
Hugo is a C-tier adventure story writer. A very, very good one, no doubt, but still preoccupied with concepts of good and evil. He deserves to be where he is- just above Dickens.

>>14655462
Isn't Hugo a much lauded poet in frogland, though? My French is minimal, but I'm sure he tends to be praised alongside the likes of Ronsard and Baudelaire. Translations aren't always that great when it comes to verse however....

>>14654890
By that logic you just did as well retard. Also OP exposed his posturing when he posted his grading criteria but then deleted it and reposted it without descriptions because of how retarded it was

>>14653074
there has to be an F, right? and some writers have to be in it. writers like huxley.
>>14653005
S is easy. A is pretty easy. Not sure what the fuck you were thinking putting Woolf next to Dostoyevsky and Mann, above Henry James, Hugo, and Hawthorne.

>>14655538
>there has to be
that’s no different than teachers that grade everybody relative to each other so before anybody puts in any amount of work half the class is automatically guaranteed to get a C or below.

You grade each author with the same rubric without direct regard for others. If that means Huxley gets an F, fine, though I don’t see how, and either way that does not mean F *needs* to exist

>>14653005
Nice

>>14653074
Because F is his league. Look who else is there. He belongs in the Canon but where else would you put him in this scale?

>>14655532

I’ll just post it again because you asked

Prose/Language Choice: How well does the writer make use of their language? How complex or [appropriately, duly] uncomplicated is their diction and syntax?

Pacing: How well does the writer convey events with regard to time as it illustrates itself in the mind?

These next two categories only apply to novelists and short story writers.

Psychology/The Interior: How realistically do the writer’s characters act, behave, believe, and/or think?

Environment/The Exterior: How detailed and realistic is the physical world in which the characters are placed?

>>14653005
>Donne C

nahh famm A

>>14655532
You literally never heard of the western canon.

>>14653005
>Western Canon
Grand natives are shit

>>14655462
Literally most people there are concerned about concepts of good and evil. An Hugo is criminally underrated as a poet.

>>14656564
Next you are going to be annoyed about the grand narrative of swords and knives. Where does on start and we’re does another end?

We should abolish these terms. Because to ur Anglo brain is two autistic to accept generalities.

>>14653005
why dostoevsky in b? also why kafka above dostoevsky?

>>14653005
>Machado de Assis
>A
top kek

>>14653005

>Dostoevsky not in S tier
>Joyce and Nabokov in A tier and not lower

Just disgusting

>>14657507
Joyce is A, though. Nabokov is B on a sunny day.

>>14653005
ok. ok. wow. just. ok. here are the true rankings, and I would go as far as saying that the rest of fiction as a whole is a waste of time, and you're better off reading poetry or watching TV instead of reading authors who are not in this list


SUPREME MASTER GOD TIER: THE MASTER OF ALL IN THE KINGDOM OF GREAT WRITERS IN HUMAN HISTORY, AT THE TOP OF THE HIGHEST TOWER, MASTURBATING 10-15 TIMES PER DAY, AS THE HAND WITH WHICH HE WRITES ARTISTIC MASTERPIECES IS MORE SEXUALLY APPEALING THAN ANY ADONIS THE GODS CAN CONJURE
>Proust


VICE-SUPREME MASTER GOD TIER: THE ONLY WRITER DESERVING TO BE IN SAME ROOM AS THE SUPREME MASTER GOD
>Joyce


GOD TIER: OCCUPYING THE MARBLE CASTLE WITH THE SUPREME AND VICE SUPREME MASTER GOD
>Tolstoy
>Homer
>Dante
>Dostoevsky
>Shakespeare


ANGELIC DEMON TIER: PATROLLING THE CASTLE WALLS OF THE GOD TIERS AND ABOVE, AND DOING THEIR BIDDING ACROSS THE UNIVERSE, CAPTURING AND PILLAGING ENTIRE PLANETS TO TO INTO PLANET-SIZED "THE MATRIX"-TYPE BODY HARVESTING FARMS, BUT THEY HARVEST HUMAN FARTS INSTEAD OF ELECTRICITY, PACKED IN DIAMOND JARS, FOR THE FART-LOVING PROUST AND JOYCE TO HOLD UP TO THEIR NOSES AND SHIFT THEIR NOSES LEFT AND RIGHT ALONG THE RIM OF THE JAR LIKE SNIFFING A FINE WINE, THEN TAKING A HUMONGOUS INHALE AND ACHIEVING UNFATHOMABLE ORGASM, "AH, A 2017 RUSSIAN LUMBERJACK FART, GOOD YEAR" THEY SAY, NODDING THEIR HEADS AT THE ANGELIC DEMONS WHO DO THEIR BIDDING, THE ANGELIC DEMONS' HEARTS FILLED WITH JOY AT THE HONOR OF SERVING THEIR MASTERS
>Goethe
>Kafka
>Chekhov
>Morrissey
>Nabakov
>Melville
>Chaucer
>Cervantes
>Ambrose motherfucking Bierce!


HONORABLE DRAGON WORK CREATURE TIER: THESE WRITERS' SOULS HAVE POSSESSED THE BODIES OF DRAGONS WITH LIME GREEN FUR AND FLORESCENT TIGER STRIPES WHO BREATHE GAMMA RAY BURSTS AND CIRCLE THE SUPREME MASTER GOD'S KINGDOM BY THE MILLIONS, AND OPERATE AS A HIVE MIND, AND HAVE BEEN GENETICALLY MODIFIED WITH TARDIGRADE DNA TO SURVIVE IN SPACE AND EVEN BLACK HOLES, TO HONOR WORKS THAT I ENJOYED PERSONALLY BUT THAT MAY NOT BE AS JUSTIFIED ON AN ARTISTIC LEVEL BY CONSENSUS
>Hesse
>Pynchon
>Hemingway
>Foster Wallace
>Woolf
>Flaubert
>George Eliot
>Balzac
>Borges