/lit/ - Literature

>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/U._G._Krishnamurti

Here's a YouTube video of UG getting interviewed

>https://youtube.com/watch?v=lRuktPeE0eQ

Best of UG

>https://youtu.be/R2FgamLOHMI

Mystique of enlightenment

>https://www.holybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/U.G.-Krishnamurti-The-Mystique-of-Enlightenment.pdf

>Whether you are interested in moksha, liberation, freedom, transformation, you name it, or you are interested in happiness without one moment of unhappiness, pleasure without pain, it's the same thing. Whether one is here in India or in Russia or in America or anywhere, what people want is to have one [happiness] without the other [unhappiness]. But there is no way you can have one without the other. This demand is not in the interests of the survival of this living organism. There is an extraordinarily alert, and alacritous quality to it [the organism]. The body is rejecting all sensations. Sensations have a limited life; beyond a particular duration the body cannot take them.

>It is either throwing them out or absorbing them. Otherwise they destroy the body. The eyes are interested in seeing things but not as beauty; the ears hear things but not as music. The body does not reject a noise because it is the barking of a dog or braying of an ass. It just responds to the sound. If you call it a response to the sound, then we get into trouble. So you don't even know that it is a sound. Anything that is harsh, anything that would destroy the sensitivity of the nervous system, the body cuts out. It is like a thermostat. To some extent the body has a way of saving itself from heat, cold, or anything that is inimical to it. It takes care of itself for a short period, and then thought helps you to take the next step to cover yourself, or to move yourself away from the dangerous situation you find yourself in. You will naturally move away from the cement mixer that is making a loud noise and is destroying the sensitivity of your nervous system. The fear that you would be destroyed because the sound is bad, or that you will become a nervous wreck, and so on and so forth, is part of your paranoia.

>>14648658
Poor bastard. Sexually abused as a child by "Bishop" Leadbeater who selected him as a Coming (LOL) Christ and Messiah of the Theosophical society, based largely on his ability to accomodate Leadbeater's huge you know what.
Many such cases involving Occultists and Guenonites.
Sad.

>>14648781
The slander, the lies. Cope harder

>>14648785
>>14648781
Also you're talking about the other Kririhnamurti if anything, Jiddu

>>14648781
that is the other krishnamurti

>>14648789
>Kririhnamurti
Ffs Krishnamurti*

>>14648785
Well documented, his father sued to get him out of Leadbeater's hands. The court records are extant. Why so defensive? It was not his fault, he was yet another victim of homosexual child rape.
Many such cases, most child rape is men on boys.

>>14648789
Oh, never mind.

>>14648824
Yeah.

>The totality of man's experiences created what we call a separate identity and a separate mind. But actually if you want to experience anything, be it your own body, or your own experiences, you have no way of experiencing them without the use of the knowledge that is passed on to us. In other words, I would say that thought is memory. But we have been made to believe that human beings are created for a nobler and grander purpose than the other species on this planet, and it is that belief that is responsible for our thinking that the whole creation is created for the benefit of man

>When you know nothing you say a lot; when you know something there is nothing to say

>Each individual is unique, unparalleled; there is not another one like you in the whole universe. That is your natural state.' But we ignore that fact and try to put everybody in a common mould and create what we call the greatest common factor. Our education, religion and culture are geared towards producing copies of acceptable models, and, in the process, destroying that unique, living quality in a child, in every human being, which is yearning to blossom and express itself. Otherwise, there would be more human flowers. But, given its nature, society cannot be interested in such human flowers. At best, it can put them on a pedestal, domesticate them and make them a part of its structure

The encounter meeting UG Krishnamurti for the first time.

https://ug-k.blogspot.com/2007/04/encounter-if-you-are-searching-for.html?m=1

>>14648658
>stinky pajeet
cringe...

Indian film star Parveen Babi on U.G

http://ug-krishnamurti.blogspot.com/2010/09/parveen-babi-on-ug-i-must-state-few.html?m=1

>baseless platitudes spitting pajeetino #6970390416
Yawn

>>14648967
No. You're just don't understand what he's saying or never studied him. The man shatters platitudes and gets straight to the point.

>>14648931
>The front office of the ashram had warned the sannyasi against seeing U.G. After they met U.G., many of Rajneesh's very close devotees had quit the ashram. I remember in those days, Rajneesh gave four talks against U.G., calling him all sorts of names. 'U.G., you have not said a word in response to the repeated attacks Rajneesh has been making on you of late. Why? I have also noticed that you don't say much against any particular guru,' I asked.

>His reply was unusual: Gurus play a social role. So do prostitutes. Unfortunately, in society, what the gurus are offering is not only socially acceptable but also considered the be-all and end-all of our existence. The others are not. You choose what suits you best...

>>14648666
>he was brought up by his maternal grandfather, a wealthy
DROPPED.

>>14649012
UG lived a penniless life.

>>14649016
Anyone who grew up rich does not know suffering. Being penniless means absolutely nothing if you have security and a wealthy family to go back to.

>>14649021
>Anyone who grew up rich does not know suffering. Being penniless means absolutely nothing if you have security and a wealthy family to go back to.

Incredibly ignorant statement. Poverty certainly makes things worse. Suffering happens to us all irregardless of money. You do know UG was homeless wandering the streets of London for a few years right? Youre being pedantic

>>14649030
>>14649021
>'U.G. is the most radical man I have met,' said my writer friend, Sujit Sen. He was keeping a hawk-like eye on everything U.G. said and did. He had come to meet U.G. reluctantly, hesitantly and unwillingly on my insistence. Sujit is an intellectual, devoid of any religious or spiritual aspirations. He is a leftist who was once a member of a terrorist group that failed to achieve its revolutionary goals. Now he is full of bitterness. His life is drained of any purpose, and he is simmering with anger and frustration. Sujit asked, 'Has life any purpose, U.G.?'

>Why must there be any meaning or purpose to life?' replied U.G. 'We must latch on to something to prevent us from disappearing. Or else, why should I not commit suicide?'

>Sujit persisted. U.G. asked: 'Do you have the courage to do it? Go right ahead and do it! Don't forget that if you fail in your attempt, the law will be after you. You don't have the courage to live. You don't have the courage to die. And yet you don't begrudge laying down your life in the name of freedom or communism or whatever happens to be your particular fancy. Or you can give a name and philosophy to that thing called despair and market it. That may bring you into the limelight. Sujit said, 'This is no laughing matter. Jokes aside, let me ask you a question that is of great importance. The end of civilization seems to be around the corner. New weapons are threatening our very existence...'

>U.G. interrupted him saying, 'Isn't it strange that you are talking of suicide in one breath and nuclear holocaust in another?'

>Sujit answered, 'Paradoxical as it may seem to you, the fact remains that mankind too seems to have opted for suicide.'

>This discussion really got U.G. going. 'Your minds pose as much a threat to the future of mankind as the nuclear weapons. The hydrogen bomb has its origin in the jawbone of an ass. The caveman used it to kill his neighbor. Here, your civilized man is doing what the caveman did, but you do it for the good of mankind. Those who still hold that right is all on their side, and that their eternal good will burn away the evil of others, are the real enemies of mankind. It doesn't matter how the world will blow itself up—with a bomb that has the markings of the stars and stripes, or a hammer and sickle, or a crescent, or a Jewish star, or the Ashok Chakra.'

>Sujit was speechless

>Every word he said that day had a sense of finality. Yet I knew he did not intend to evoke paranoia within us. I asked, 'Is it possible to avert the catastrophe by somehow changing or improving human nature?' What he said to me was something I had not asked for:

>Man is merely a biological being. There is no spiritual side to his nature. All your virtues, principles, beliefs, ideas and spiritual values imposed on you by your culture are mere affectations. They haven't touched anything in you. Religion exploited for centuries the devoutness, piousness and whole-souled fervor of the religious man. Not in "Love thy neighbor as thyself" but in the terror that if you try to kill your neighbor you will also be destroyed along with him lies the future of mankind. How long is anyone's guess.'

>>14649030
I'm being harsh, not pedantic. Such a sediment does not stem from ignorance but rather is the result of graduating summa cum laude from the school of hard knocks. It is possible, that the homelessness redeemed the man, and concede, that my lack of hostility toward him was unwarranted. However, I expressly disagree with the first three sentences of the post to which I am now reply to. Namely, that that rich people suffer tantamouniusly to the poor. The wealth cushions them and prevents any compensatory rise in consciousness that results from true suffering.

>>14649094
>my *hostility* toward him was unwarranted.

>>14648981
Shut the fuck up Pajeetiani Faggonandijan!
I'm not about to waste my time and mental effort studying some pontificating pooid who would probably soil my carpet because his philosophical system does it include respect for indoor plumbing.

>>14648821
Because catholics priests have never harmed the hair on the head of a single child, and the myth that they have, and the fabricated evidence and testimony that goes with it, is literally the work of demon possessed protestants. The fact is that you can't be a catholic and believe that priests are capable of evil, if you think this you have already succumbed to the virus of modernity and are beyond salvation.

It's how I imagine enlightenment really looks, derobed of all spiritual, philosophical, political and other ideological pretentions. Ruthlessly cynical, just as one should be

>The next day U.G. was again pondering the question "How do I know I am in that state?" with no answer forthcoming. He later recounted that on suddenly realising the question had no answer, there was an unexpected physical, as well as psychological, reaction. It seemed to him like "a sudden 'explosion' inside, blasting, as it were, every cell, every nerve and every gland in my body." Afterwards, he started experiencing what he called "the calamity", a series of bizarre physiological transformations that took place over the course of a week, affecting each one of his senses, and finally resulting in a deathlike experience.

>Then, on the eighth day I was sitting on the sofa and suddenly there was an outburst of tremendous energy – tremendous energy shaking the whole body, and along with the body, the sofa, the chalet and the whole universe, as it were – shaking, vibrating. You can't create that movement at all. It was sudden. Whether it was coming from outside or inside, from below or above, I don't know – I couldn't locate the spot; it was all-over. It lasted for hours and hours. I couldn't bear it but there was nothing I could do to stop it; there was a total helplessness. This went on and on, day after day, day after day.

Yeah, for someone who claims to be above spiritualism he sure loved to engage in mystical larping and prophetry.

>>14649094
Got it mate. Well said

>>14649159
There is no larping on the side of UG, calamity he speaks about was a purely physical. Don't believe it? Thats fine. A better question is why do you believe the things you do?

>>14649144
He was certainly an interesting chap

>>14649166
>A better question is why do you believe the things you do?
An even better question is why not? Why not adorn your existence with beautiful ideas and aesthetic principles? I'm sure the Universe wouldn't mind regardless. What would Mr. Too Cool For First Name have us do as the alternative? Live as billions of thoughtless blobs hurried along their lives by their biological necessities inbetween public copulating and telling each other how much we don't believe in?

>philosopher
>enlightened

LOL

>>14648658
Very based

>>14649183
but belief is pointless only separates you from dharma

>>14649348
dharma is a belief

>>14649183
Guy you're responding to. Belief throws you down a narrow tunnel path, it distorts and falsifies. Ideologues are the most dangerous

>>14649362
Then let it go

>>14649387
letting go is a belief in the possible outcome of a consciously willed action

>>14648658
yeah, i'm (not) thinking this man is based

>>14648658

I knew about this guy for some time.
What should I read from him and can someone spoodfeed me an epub of that ? Everytime I search for this guys I run into the other guy.

>>14649394

>>14648658
>tfw binge watching his videos

>>14650651
Very cool anon :)

>>14649030
>homeless
>london
so using his family's wealth he was able to get to a more well off place to become homeless

>>14649021
imagine being this retarded

>>14651698
He worked for some time had some savings, he was grown up as a speaker in the theosophical society. Ultimately who gives a shit means absolutely nothing go back

>>14651707
This. Imagine being that much of a materialist lol

>>14649370
>he says from the confines of his own ideology

>>14653221
Pedantic, wrong, sophist

>>14648781
petit jesus = penis? ?? pardon me?

what the fuck was crowley on? his own feces?

Anyone who thinks they've found "the end" is only trapped by an intellectual prison. Every "end game" philosopher is really a master trap setter, trying to lock and permanently confuse hapless passersby into their limited world view.

>>14653234
This. That's what UG is saying

>>14653239
That's just like one section in Nietzsche, too.

>>14653242
And?

>>14653250
Nietzsche is a better philosopher. He doesnt have to spookify that point, he just makes it.

>>14653234
ironic post

>>14653254
I disagree. UG is special. You can't even compare the two

>>14653255
He's not wrong.

>>14653265
Of course not, you're stuck in a mental prison :-) the UG prison

>>14653275
Who isnt stuck in a mental prison? I'm just telling you the truth though. Don't compare any goofy Western philosopher to UG

>>14653242
>>14653254

nietzsche did not practice any thought control or meditation, he did not have any mystical experiences outside of his drug usage. just a theorist, same with stirner. UG was the real deal

>>14653301
Yikes. Imagine thinking any of that shit makes thought "better".

>>14653301
UG called thought control and meditation evil

>>14653283
i assume you are the one who are making this posts. i ask with genuine curiosity: what you see special in UG as a philosopher?. how you see him?.

>>14653309

imagine blindly agreeing with a philosopher on a subject that he has no direct experience with. i'm more qualified to teach on this subject than Nietzsche, lol

>>14653309
Because abstractions can only get you so far and 99.99% of the time lead you astray on the merry go round. Thought can't save you

>>14653325
You're not doing a good job convincing me that UG has any value mate.

>>14653326
What does that have to do with Nietzsche? Or UG?

>>14653322
>what you see special in UG as a philosopher?. how you see him?.

As easy as possible UG is special because through his negation and assault on your preconceived notions embedded in you by culture it can help you see clearly without the needless abstractions. He's a sledgehammer

>>14653331
He doesn't have anything to offer that's the point. There is nothing outside you, seeking for truth is futile because truth doesn't exist. You are wasting your time

>>14653340
>his negation and assault on your preconceived notions embedded in you by culture it can help you see clearly without the needless abstractions
A million philosophers do this. Not special.

>>14653348
Sounds like a ripoff of that cringey philosopher Alan Watts. Yawn. Call me when you have something interesting.

>>14653335
Nietzsche wants you to strengthen the will this is opposite to UG. To UG the will is cause of all of man's sorrow

>>14653355
Oh wow, so the Buddhist guy is inspired by Buddhism?

Buddhism is fucking boring, please stop boring me.

>>14653354
UG dunks on Watts and all religious teachers. Read moar of him

>>14653320

depending on your goal, you still have to practice, there is no getting around it. don't just accept whatever he says as truth, investigate it yourself. he called meditation 'evil' because you're doing violence to the body by trying to force it into mystical state. tempering the flesh is necessary if you want to get anywhere

>>14653331

i don't give a shit, i'm not here to convince you of anything. convince yourself. UG is one of my favorite thinkers and i'm not going stand idle while shitposters imply that he is a footnote to Nietzsche. go read mind is a myth once you inevitably get bored of this thread

>>14653354

you can instantly tell how dumb someone is when they invoke alan watts as the end-all-be-all of proselytizing eastern thought to the west. i'm sure that the most difficult book that you've read is a coloring book

>>14653363
I'm already bored of this thread because you're incessantly boring. Retards coming here and claiming THEIR brand of thinker is the 2nd coming of Christ, are the last thinker you need, will solve everything, nobody has any more to add etc have been a dime a dozen for a decade on this board.

You've discovered nothing new and if you really believed in anything you were reading, you wouldnt be hounding us to follow some boring cringelord guru.

Plato is the only philosopher that matters, the Plain of ideals is heaven and if you can become the ideal self you will ascend

>>14653361
UG is vehemently against religion as a tool. He says the religious ideal has caused man tremendous harm because society has placed for us unattainable goals of becoming like Jesus or Buddha, instead of being ourselves more or less

>>14653340
>He's a sledgehammer
nierzsche say this about himself too.
but not with him neither with UG i feel that. why you think its not an abstraction what he say?. to me its close to be the ultimate abstraction than no abstraction at all.
hes a pretty realistic and cynic guy. which is something ok with me. but i think he have or your view on him have some subtle veil of "enlightned" that make me feel suspicious.

>>14653370
You can instantly tell how dumb someone is when they cant read your post correctly and go off on a tangent arguing against random nonsense nobody said.

so we've finally moved on from guenon?

>>14653375
I dont care. Dont reply until you have something worth saying.

>>14653372
No one is claiming UG to be a savior. He condemns that notion. We are doomed

>>14653386
Do you have anything worth saying?

>>14653354
>Sounds like a ripoff of that cringey philosopher Alan Watts

You are a retard and dont get anything about what UG is saying.

>>14653404
Yeah. I spotted UG as "yet another false mental prison" philosopher and am moving on with my life.

It's okay anon, you'll learn one day you've wasted your time reading him and making this thread.

>>14653372

>Retards coming here and claiming THEIR brand of thinker is the 2nd coming of Christ...

i doubt you can point out where i said any of that

>You've discovered nothing new and if you really believed in anything you were reading, you wouldnt be hounding us to follow some boring cringelord guru.


there might not be anything new under the sun, but certain words and frameworks need updating from time to time. getting to the truth is more important than any bullshit innovation which everyone seems to desire

>>14653381

i understood you just fine, you just made a dumb mistake. UG isn't even a buddhist either fyi

>>14653396
>>14653417
Stop replying. I dont care.

>>14653421
UG sells you nothing. So you are wrong. Try again

>>14653425
>getting to the truth is more important than any bullshit innovation which everyone seems to desire
>>14653348
So which of you retards is wrong?

>>14653430
It's clear he ruined your brain based on how you're replying.

>>14653444
None on you in this thread has understood UG or the point of what has been share.

>>14653447
Good, I'll make sure to stay away then. Wouldnt want to become one iota more like you.

>>14653449
I am not trying to convert anyone, there is nothing to convert to, that is the point. I am just sharing information of UG

>>14653447
the point is that there is no point. we understand it. stay calm.

>>14653436
In UG's words

>There is no such thing as truth. The only thing that is actually there is your "logically" ascertained premise, which you call "truth"

>>14653456
>Thought creates frontiers everywhere. That's all it can do. ...it is thought that has created the world; and you draw lines on this planet, "This is my country, that is your country". So how can there be unity between two countries? The very thing that is creating the frontiers and differences cannot be the means to bridge the different viewpoints. It is an exercise in futility.

>>14653456
This. Anyone in philosophy has heard this same B.S. over and over again, the sort of intellectual nihilism that only someone inculcated in Buddhism could conjure.

It's always interesting after you've escaped that prison to encounter people still in it.

>>14653436

its monism, you wouldn't understand. there are certain truths about our existence that can be ascertained, but what UG is saying is that there is no objective one size fits all truth that we can get to

>>14653472
>It's always interesting after you've escaped that prison to encounter people still in it.

How can "you" escape its own creation? You are stuck there.

>>14653477
>>14653485
Holy shit dudes stop. I'm not reading your posts, I'm just here to talk shit with random anons. No force in the universe will make me care about whoever you're talking about.

>>14653489
:)

>>14653467
what you mean with this?.

>>14653489

kind of a weakling move on your part, but okay, i'll stop

>>14653489
why are you even posting

>>14653467
implying unity is real.

>>14653505
That's what he is saying! He was mostly asked a questioned about unity. We are doomed!

>>14653508
he is implying that thoughts create frontiers and unity cant arise from thought. i suppose his real point is that thought is evil and corrupted but i dont care. in that specific phrase he leave open the posiibility of unity.

>>14653500
>what you mean with this?.

Read this.

https://ug-krishnamurti.blogspot.com/2010/09/question-of-mind-ug-krishnamurti-what.html

>>14653504
I gave a few good reason why nobody should care what OP is saying, now I'm stepping out. Dead thread with dead ideas.

>To be an individual and to be yourself you don't have to do a thing. Culture demands that you should be something other than what you are. What a tremendous amount of energy — the will, the effort — we waste trying to become that!

>>14653535
Massive cope.

Dropping links of videos of UG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNJ3oDLkoX0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tC1GULbovo8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sx8f76kuGAY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRNvmZtASqA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWsNfoiU-_4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-LZSl6TGdw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1exoQ3W-6E4

>>14653527
>What is there is a space-time-energy continuum, which is a continuum, but it has no end.
i dont buy this "knowledge" dont come from the thought prison. its pretty comforting thinking in this way. the fact that he think every thought is a reaction except this thought he have is just a plain lie to me. thats all. you believe him or dont. i dont. i dont buy that he was beyond the thought prison.
and dont misunderrstand me, thoughts are not the reality, they are a computer, as he say, but the moment somebody say "hey i go out of it and now im gonna tell you how it is" sounds like a larper to me.
i only see ug as a sad guy who want to believe he have something important to say but in the end he dont know shit about nothing. neither this bullshit of "thoughts are not real" or "we should live accord to real nature".
>the whole of nature is a single unit. Man cannot separate himself from the totality of what we call nature.
the maybe is true or maybe not, we dont know. the fact that he imply he know what is that "nature" is what makes him a fraud. but hes a good guy anyway. i like him.
i think you cant accept that he use the thought to organize what he think is beyond thought. he is doing exactly the same as any other thought he criticize.
basically my point is that we are our thoughts as we are our body. dont fight with it because you end making ultraimportant serious claims like this.

brump

He seems more like a necessary enema for a culture steeped in 3000 years of mysticism than someone with a universal revelation. As a westerner it comes across mostly like a generic redditor having a bad day. Just a very familiar mix of post-despair resignation that already seems to permeate a lot of western culture.

>>14655220
>as a westerner it comes across mostly like a generic redditor having a bad day

>>14655234
>>14655220
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