/lit/ - Literature

>>14622083
Being a selfish beast.

>>14622083
Having a rational intellect

>>14622092
I don't agree

>>14622083
First, one has to be able to understand the ape-like behaviors that underlie our wider experiences. Specifically, acts and actions that aren't intuitively thought of as mirrors of behaviors found in other great apes, but when presented side-by-side with each other are clear to see as the same thing (or at least closely related)

Things like eyes bulging, throat tightening, teeth baring when screaming, shown side by side with a chimpanzee doing the same thing. That sense of seperation that is broken by these comparisons, the bubble that is manufactured by our minds which asserts an elevation above the other great apes.

That fragile structure, and all things related to it. That's the human condition.

>>14622089
kek

Being the crown of creation, the image of the Godhead himself, human nature is a possibility of theosis.

Man is a featherless biped

>>14622083
Having an irrational will

>>14622083
Matthew 18: 21-35.
We are deeply flawed and yet punish flaws with wrath, it's who we are. The only thing that's ever going to stop it is:
1) Realizing, finally, how fucking in debt you are, getting some goddamn humility, or-
2) Your loanshark stops extending your line of credit and the enforcers finally come after you

>>14622083
anal gaping
anal prolapse
monster energy drink
filterless camel cigarettes
14 year olds vaping
middle aged men getting really insular and resentful of every other living being
man-sheds
people who drive past other cars and look through the others' window as they go past to show them they really aren't happy
queuing in a formal queue for food rather than biting animals they found in the shrubs
black friday
instagram accounts
penis pumps
fleshlights
top gear
people testing out drones they got for christmas
people dressing as the opposite sex
people being afraid to talk to the opposite sex
people being afraid of sex and procreation
people being afraid of death
people being afraid
KoRn
Scooter
Abba
Mozart
Penderecki
Automatic doors
Computers that talk
People thinking nature was preceded by a huge sky chad who was white and looks like them
conspiracy theories that the coronavirus was started by a company with the umbrella corp logo
chill beats to study and relax to
plumbers and contruction site builders listening to derivations of euphoric rave music to keep themselves motivated on the job
moral panic
moral superiority
4chan

>>14622649
>4chan
Had me up until this point desu

Monkey see, monkey do.

>>14622083
Literally anything we do.

"Nature" is a concept that only actually means anything in opposition to whatever humans are doing. If you concede that the division is arbitrary and humans are also "natural", then everything is natural.

>>14622083
We are a lot like chimpanzees but probably more violent, and of course we have language and abstract thought, which leads to tool making and makes us think we're way more special than we really are.

>>14622083

What can change the nature of a man?

>>14622083
Hobbesian shit you know what it is

>>14622649
>middle aged men getting really insular and resentful of every other living being
okay, now we're talkin

>>14622083
Seeking to understand, relate to, and create with other intelligences.

>>14622092
Having a supra-rational intellect.

if someone thinks they can gestalt explain it to you, they're full of shit

>>14622083
Man's only nature is to posit his own nature, and conform to it.

>>14622083
What Pico della Mirandola wrote in the Oration on the dignity of Man.

>>14624415
basé and /thread

>>14624415
>>14624633
Why are you little shits so annoying?

>>14622083
Symbolic langauge.
This one is unbeatable.

>>14622083
>human
i hate that word so much. its just a fucking psy op to turn people into bugs.
>we're all humans! one race, the human race!! we're all just pink on the inside!!!
bullshit. "humans" disgust me.if anyone claims to be a "human" i immediately know they're a bugperson

>>14622649
>plumbers and contruction site builders listening to derivations of euphoric rave music to keep themselves motivated on the job
wtf, how did you know i do that??? also, this post reminded me of that one webm from /gif/

Everything has a nature, which defined most simply, simply means the way the thing is. The problem is how to specify human nature without being too "reductive" that is, attempting to predict all its behaviors from a set of propositions that under-describe its full range of possibilities.

The problem is clarified when we consider that there are levels of description, each of which substands the other, and each of which operates dynamically in consilience with the others.

On one level human nature is the sum total of cellular activities, organization, and relations arranged in a distinct pattern according to a genetic plan that distinguishes it from anything else with a similar plan.

These genetics and biological coordinates afford for certain predictable drives, instincts, and reflexes that result in statistically reliable ontogenies, developmental patterns, reflex patterns, and other physiological primings.

On another level, human nature is the social cognitions and cultural interactions that regulate behavior and norms, mediated by language and symbolic intelligence.

On another level you could say human nature is defined by its morality.

All of these connect and interact in dynamic, criss-crossing scales.

>>14622392
yes

>>14622083
4chan

whatever marx said

>>14622392
Plato, if you continue to talk shit I will call Diogenes.

I want to be human but I am only a man

>>14624415
Based!

>>14622083
There is no "human nature" anymore than there is cat nature, bird nature, or fish nature. 'Man' is simply another species of beast, and nature has primacy over all animals.

Human nature was teleoplexically refuted by capital aka Nick Land

>>14622083
The need to fulfill basic human necessities - eating, shitting, sleeping and fornicating - and the consequent behavioral extensions of those needs.

>>14622083
The qualities present in a person or thing which cause me to define it as human.

>>14622649
that may just be the most beautiful thing I've ever read on this god forsaken website

>>14622923
This. There is always a fallacy when there is a jump from what we do and what we should do. The point of saying human nature is to describe what we do as accurately as we can.

>>14622083
being a angry BIG DICK raging gorilla

>>14622083
It depends.

>>14628175
>It depends.

Man is the animal

>>14622649
>Abba
>Mozart
>Penderecki

Sublime

>>14628172
Gorillas have small peepees

>>14624590
Wow, based

>>14622083
Understanding ourselves.

>>14629255
not this one, this put the bbc faggots in shame by the sheer magnitude of the virility of this gorrlia

BIG DICK GORILLA

>>14622083
it means being a douchebag, but in a friendly, cooperative way

>>14622083
"Human Nature" - nope, absolutely no thoughts in my mind. Nothing it is, then.

>>14628172
T.shitty card

>>14630194
t. smol little dick chimpanzee

>>14630194
what's your idea of good 3 Mana red creature?

Depend of the race

>>14622083
Introspection

>>14622178
wish there were more great ape bros around lads

>>14630332
WOOF WOOF I AM BIG DICK BVLL GORRILLA

>>14623706
Strong will and discipline.

>>14630336
uncanny how apish blackies appear to be innit

>>14630488
they´re the missing link of human evolution

>>14622092

Imagine believing that reason is not subordinated by the passions.

>>14622083
A constant pull between abstract ideals and bestial desires. Admiration for beauty, but a catharsis in war. A pain in knowing impermanence and a longing for a meaning that only we can create.

>>14627333
but surely the nature of a cat is very different than that of a bird's. We're all subjects to nature, but nature has a different aspect for every plant and animal.

>>14631445
Not that anon, but I would respectfully disagree. Those animals are only objectifications of the same will-to-life such that they are only different in kind. They both strive for propagation, sustenance and so forth. When I say objectification of the will, I mean that only their methodologies in doing so differ. Humans and other animals are expressions of the same underlying metaphysical essence.

>>14631504
That's an over-generalization that doesn't allow for pragmatic, or meaningful discourse. And are you saying that humans and cats share the same metaphysical essence in that we both know our mortality and can do advanced mathematics? You're sanding over all of the philosophical thought that's intrinsic to humanity.

>>14631520
And are you saying that humans and cats share the same metaphysical essence in that we both know our mortality and can do advanced mathematics?

No, I should have made that clear. Man is unique in that it is aware of its own finitude and mortality and is capable of understanding to what end this essence moves towards. I am not denying that of course Man is the most intelligent iteration of this objectification of the will to life. That is why they are able to contemplate the above as well as develop advanced mathematics, as you pointed out.

What I should have made clear, is that this essence is expressed in gradations. Man is the highest expression of this essence and so comes with it comes the curse of consciousness. However, this argument still moves from the original point that I expressed in my first post.

>>14631560
So what point does your generalization have when we're trying to define the "gradation" that is human nature? And if the disparity between these gradations is so vast then why categorize this essence as one?

>>14631583
>So what point does your generalization have when we're trying to define the "gradation" that is human nature?

Assuming that the "generalization" is that all beings have the same metaphysical essence, it is to illustrate the differing translucence of this essence in specific phenomena.

>And if the disparity between these gradations is so vast then why categorize this essence as one?

Because the things in this gradation still ultimately strive for the same ends. Humans are unique because, inter alia, they are capable of being conscious of these ends.

Having a human body