/lit/ - Literature

MD, PhD, PharmD, and JD are /lit/.
Undergraduate and master's degrees are not.

>>14611643
>used to be PharmD
>but dropped out to study compsci instead

Am I still /lit/?

>>14611664
No, go back for the PharmD, or at least do the smart thing and enroll in LECOM's online PharmD whilst doing the compsci undergrad program (allowed last time I checked dual undergrad+ grad plus loan policy), so you can shoehorn your way into a niche part of the industry.

>>14611701
an online pharmacy doctorate, is that even a real program?

philosophy

English, Art, Music, Comparative Literature, History, Philosophy

>>14611630
Is that peter steele?

>>14611714
Yes. Fully accredited by ACPE, and I know several graduates who had retail pharmacist jobs waiting for them upon graduation and now earn in the six figure range.

>>14611717
Jesus Christ, is that an ogre behind him?

>>14611714
It's probably the absolute shittiest way to become a pharmacist, hands down. It's also a pretty good way to enter the field completely unprepared to deal with the frighteningly real aspects of the actual job.

Also, getting a degree simply for the sake of getting one is by far the least /lit/ thing possibly imaginable. That's something more along the lines of /sci/'s hivemind.

nearing end of 2nd year of community college. Should I transfer to some other school and get a degree in CS, or should I quit, get some okay and small job, live alone in a garret, and attempt to become a literary recluse?

>>14611767
Retail pharmacy is a joke and will be automated in the coming decades

>>14611630
self study. school has bad pacing. and if you are not being taught specifically like a mentor than your education isnt that valuable

>>14611630
finance, law, medicine

>>14611824
As I finance graduate. Lol no.

>>14611824
Not /lit/. Bugman tier actually.

>>14611811
>automated

First of all, 95% of the jobs are in retail pharmacy. Second of all, this idea of it becoming automated is a meme that has been going on for the past decade. This hasn't stopped more schools from starting up Pharm.D programs all across the board despite the insane oversaturation of new students being pumped out (particularly in Texas).

>TL;DR
Pharmacy may be a shitty job, but you're still wrong.

Doctor or drop out with nothing but a handful of trade certificates in-between

imagine studying for an employable degree lmao

Architecture

>>14611767
You don't know what you're talking about. In the LECOM online program you meet with pharmacists, online and in-person if they live near you and the courses are taught via video conference by instructors with real retail and industry experience, and test yearly in person. The distance PharmD program is highly rated and the few individuals I know who went through with it are very successful in career. Your presumption is also retarded, people going that route are more likely to be intrinsically motivated and interested in researching the material compared to a stacie who got her PharmD from Purdue because she "wanted to be in the medical field".

>>14611864
>tries to get a Pharm.D on the internet
>more likely to be intrinsically motivated

Lol ok

>>14611833
>>14611837
co-existing with bugmen isn't a bad thing.

>>14611879
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU KIDS CANT JUST GET A DEGREE ONLINE, EVEN THOUGH THE MATERIAL IS EXACTLY THE SAME, YOU NEED TO PUT YOUR BEST FOOT FORWARD AND GO IN LIKE I HAD TO, FIRM HAND SHAKE AND EVERYTHING, IT ISN'T FAIR.

>>14611879
Lol ok boomer

Anthropology

>>14611929
That's a major, not a degree. retard

>>14611911
What do you mean by this?

>>14611917
>Getting a lab intensive science degree online
lmao

>>14611946
>>14611864

>>14611946
>Students will be required to come to the Bradenton, FL campus each summer for between one and three weeks in order to fulfill the laboratory, casework, and presentation portion of the curriculum.

>>14611917
>>14611925
I helped my mom get her BSN online and I've taken a lot of online courses myself. Online classes are total fucking garbage compared to going to an actual lecture.

>>14611822
Ah yes my self studying degree will help me get a job

>>14611966
>but i helped muh mom with her online nursing
95% courses for the LECOM distance pathway are telecasted lectures. You are going to an "actual lecture".

>>14611965
>online curriculum
>requires you to still show up and do things in person

B-BUT WHAT ABOUT M-MUH ANXIETY?! :((( IT'S NOT FAIR, BROS!! I THOUGHT ONLINE COURSES WERE FOR SNOWFLAKES LIKE MEEEEEE!

>>14611998
I don't have anxiety.

>>14611998
Online professional degrees are tailored toward people who are working who have a life and are just doing this to further subsidize their income/career. This isn't the retard psychology 101 "online offering" in blackboard(TM) in your undergraduate institution.

>>14611630
Art History

>>14611769
I chose the latter. Its only okay because I work for a great company that wants to keep me for life. I realized that I hate working in general so something easy and close to home is best for me.

>>14611966
You can find online lectures for a lot of things

>>14611937
you aren't going to escape idiots and worthless work no matter what profession you go into. with finance/law/medicine you can at least make as much money as you can and get out early if you so choose.

>>14611769
Don't waste your time studying something you don't want to be proficient at. Even if you're intelligent, it's extremely difficult to succeed at something academic that you have virtually no interest in.

I kinda envy people who can follow the "fake it til' you make it" approach of succeeding in college. Christ knows I've tried and failed at it many times before.

>>14611643
fpbp
Imagine not acting on the easily given opportunities to become the greatest you can be for your family and your future

>>14611630
Any career recommendations for a /lit/ leaf bros? I was thinking about joining the military and doing some intelligence/cyber operator trade in the military since you get your training and accommodations paid for and after a few years you'll leave with tons of experience and have a security clearance to get a good job.

However, I was also thinking of enrolling in a tech school and taking either:
>electrophsioneurology
>nuclear medicine
>architectural science
>geomatics
>enviromental engineering

What should I choose bros? I'm a socially inept, INTJ pseud on /lit/ but mainly visit /fit/ and /pol/

>>14611630
>>14611643

>>14612537
Where would someone with a diploma or certificate from at tech/trade school fit?

Btw people with PhD's are manchildren who stay in the school's ecosystem because they're too scared of venturing out into the real world. MS are the true chads and high earners

>>14612550
>people with PhD's are manchildren who stay in the school's ecosystem because they're too scared of venturing out into the real world
t. read Stoner once

>>14612550
Trades guys are the ones who are paid handsomely for the very, very basic skills that academics typically lack, e.g. fixing a toilet.

>>14612550
That's true to some degree for most people who go to college

>>14612550
>Btw people with PhD's are manchildren who stay in the school's ecosystem because they're too scared of venturing out into the real world
Definitely true of people who go straight to a PhD without working a job
Education in general is a cope for the fact that everyone is useless, people get out of it as soon as they figure out they're capable of anything

>>14612522
Since when was a "good job" /lit/? Take your middle-brow shit to /r/personalfinance

>>14612659
Elaborate. I'm just asking /lit/ for advice since I'm a zoomer NEET

>>14612659
What do you do for a living, huh Mr high-brow?

>>14611862
Hello fellow architecture bro. What school are you attending?

>>14612671
Just do what you like
Most "good jobs" require years of dick sucking and working your ass off
If you don't like what you're focused on you will hate your life everyday
I have many friends with "good jobs" in fields they like and they still want to kill themselves

>>14612522
I don't know shit about tech school but POG life is pretty good

>>14612743
What do you do?

>>14611934
Not everyone is American you niggerfaggot

>>14612787
I'm a student now but I have a tiny bit of experience, you can benefit a lot from service

Save yourself the debt and go into a trade. Far more based.

t., blacksmith.

>>14611630
literally anything, so long as you drop out after a year or two
that is the most /lit/ thing to do

>>14613016
I've been doing this for years across the country, on my third sophomore year now, I have more bachelor level knowledge than anyone else on the continent, can't believe colleges keep admitting me lol

>>14613028
so long as you continue paying, why would they care?

>>14613037
paying?

>>14613041
if you go into debt, they still get paid

>>14612830
reservist? Us military or what?

Facilities Engineer right now. Company is paying for my college and I’m going for Mechanical Engineering. Study Neuroscience for fun along with architecture!

>>14611856
Trivium: Linguistics & Philosophy
Quadrivium: Mathematics


Mathematics

>>14613055
Feels good to be european

>>14611643
You guys get into PhDs straight out of high school?

How do I skip undergrad?

>>14611717
>paperback Phenomenology of Spirit
Disgusting.

ctrl+f: classics
0 results
pathetic

Undergrad in Electrical engineering. Now a Technical Writer.

>>14612550
angry /fit/ wojak

>>14611879
This bias is real kids, never say you got your degree online. Just lie about it, say you went fuck people, and their bias.

>>14614802
There is a qualitative difference between the value of your online BA degree and that of an online PharmD. The latter would only be suspicious if your undergraduate study was exclusively online.

>>14611630
A hard science for a minimum of a couple of years and then you can switch into the humanities if you're not meant for it. If you stick with the sciences then you have to be an autodidact in literature and philosophy, and you also need to attempt a Ph.D. for a year, or two to be truly /lit/.

Alternatively, if you managed to read through the /lit/ philosophy project and a few reading charts while learning a trade I'd consider you /lit/ as well.

>>14614859
Most of engineering is second tier, but also acceptable. It goes engineering physics>chemical>EE>ME. Civil engineering is not /lit/.

>>14611643
Shill harder. Every single one of those is a dogshit option for self important bugmen. /lit/ likes to worship PhDs, but the outlook for PhDs is horrible and graduate school is total bullshit. Same can be said for JDs. MDs less so if you’re fine starting work at 40 with $380,000 in debt.

>>14612566
It’s true and anyone who’s been around graduate students knows this.

>>14614920
You only have 60 years left of life anyways, 40 of them worth living. Debt is a spook. All that matters is your net operating income.

>>14614929
Better than man-children that work shitty jobs and post here.

>>14614920
>>14612537

>>14614920
I bet you don't even have a Ba

>>14614942
Wrong, a BA or BS holder is precisely the kind of midwit who would make that argument.

>>14614949
All PhDs hold a BS, or BA though.

>>14612671
Your Military idea is a good one. If you like the Military, you can stay in. I don’t know about Canada, but in the US we have ROTC which is a good option for those smart enough to go right to college and succeed. They pay for schooling and in return you do 2 years of training and immediately commission after graduation. Otherwise, a trade or engineering is the way to go.

>>14612522
Those tech school fields sound like bullshit.

I got a BA in economics, did I fuck up /lit/?

>>14614938
Jesus get the fuck out of this thread with your garbage advice.

>>14614956
So? An intelligent terminal degree holder would be resentful at the useless busybody work of undergraduate, and would hate people who take value in their baccalaureate all the more.

>>14614978
what's your advice then?

>>14614938
It’s not so much of a spook when your adjuncting for $6,000 a year and have to live off rice and beans because your fixed monthly payments are too high

>>14614984
I'm just saying, you didn't choose your words very carefully.

>>14614990
Fine, I'll correct it in saying:

>BA or BS holder (insofar as it's their maximum amount of education) is precisely the kind of midwit who would make that argument.

>>14614987
The only people paying that much are those who unironically want to pay it off.

>>14614987
beans, rice, vitamins, fruit, nuts and veggies is an ascetic and healthy diet. You eat expensive food and forget about it, your education pays dividends your entire life.

>>14614942
Graduate student that works with PhDs everyday and has close friends wrapping up MD. Clearly, you’re talking out of your ass so let me explain to you how PhD programs work. You suck your professor’s dick and do all the cheap intellectual labor on projects you have no interest in and aren’t valuable to anyone so you can build up social capital to hopefully get a faculty job before you inevitably end up unemployed or adjuncting for pennies until you’re 45. The MDs are all in $400k+ of debt and miserable.

>>14614949
Imagine thinking a BA or BS correlates with intelligence these days

>>14614992
Does somebody that drops out of an undergraduate program have a higher iq than someone that graduates?

>>14615020
What to do if I abhor social capital?

>>14615020
Or you minor in cs alongside your degree in a hard science and then you get a well-paying job in software and forget student loans exist after 3 years. Why wouldn't you try for a PhD with that safety net?

>>14615020
>Imagine thinking a BA or BS correlates with intelligence these days
It correlates with being a self-inflated midwit who thinks they are intelligent by virtue of their education.

>>14615029
Wish I knew, but I’m pretty convinced all degrees point in that direction so maybe the trades or something.

>>14615036
Because it’s not a safety net nor does a minor in CS just hand you a software engineering job. PhDs are just not employable outside of academia, but PhDs and their Universities don’t want to tell you this.

>>14615048
You're a grad student, but you think you have to list a Ph.D. on a resume?

>>14615055
Obviously you don’t, but it’s not going to help you if you’ve been in school the last 10 years and have no experience in anything

>>14615077
Well, you'd have some experience in cs by then and 4 of those years would be accounted for with undergrad. I also doubt a Phd takes 6 years for the average person, isn't it like 3-4?

>passionate about philosophy
>found out that math is a lot more interesting once you get past algebra and into calculus and statistics but I was too deep into my degree to change things up
>also want to learn ancient languages but it's difficult doing this consistently when you have real obligations to fulfill
>studying accounting
>planning to get an MBA

Kill me, /lit/.

>>14615094
>>14615094
PhD start to finish is 8 years and I don’t see how you’d have CS experience. I think you grossly underestimate the workload for a PhD candidate. Even if you work a part-time job, the ideal scenario is it’s some sort of programmer job, which is unlikely and wouldn’t pay enough to cover the debt for the PhD program. More likely you wouldn’t work or would work either a job related to your program as an GA that pays $10 an hour or you’d work as a barista. I also don’t understand why you’d even get the PhD if your lynch pin is a software engineering job. Why go into debt then?

I’ll admit the outlook isn’t quite as bad for high value STEM fields, but then the workload is far higher and we’re talking about a minor here. I don’t see how that works out.

>>14615147
Don’t get an MBA.

>>14614977
Depends what you want to do, if you want to shitpost about economics on 4chan, great congrats your slightly more qualified than your average autist. You want to earn money, shoulda gone for a BS to get that econometrics son.

>>14614938
based

>>14615161
Why?

>>14615237
Are you paying for it?

>>14612522
I dunno about career prospects, but nuclear medicine sounds truly badass and something I'd love to tell people I do at cocktail parties.

>>14615254
I'm pretty sure I'll get some financial aid for it. But my savings are large enough to pay for the whole thing upfront if necessary. Luckily MBA's can be done in one year instead of two if you have a business undergrad.

>>14611643
>PharmD
Holy fuck I am gonna be laffin all dam day; thanks, retard

>>14615036
>just study some math and a bit of cs on the side and BOOM Google's gonna be calling you with that 500k/year offer

Is it really that easy?

>>14615301
You don’t want to work at Google anymore if you have any career ambition

>>14612522
>INTJ
>pseud
>mainly browse /fit/ and /pol/
Are you me? Very based

>>14611862
>8 years at school
destroyed any intentions I had of doing this.

>>14615237
You have an interest in Math and Philosophy and you want an MBA? It’s possibly the biggest waste of an education available. 100% of it is networking and learning the buzzwords and bullshit jargon. If you’re in it to increase your earnings, the best case scenario is you get a job at an Investment Bank as an Associate where you’ll make a lot of money but completely hate your life and will sell out to be a corporate drone whether you want to or not because you have so much debt to pay off. The ROI outside M7 isn’t even particularly good. I actually worked in Finance. It was miserable and have a negative view of every single MBA I’ve ever met. I don’t even know why I did it to this day, but then again I don’t understand the salary maximization desires at all.

>>14614763
at least he read, cunt

>>14615301
No.

>>14615427
I need a masters to become a CPA.

>>14615427
Every word of this is correct and I pray that the anon you're responding to listens. MBAs are the worst people I've ever met.

>>14615390
At least that much. More likely, it will be 10+, especially in the Humanities, where positions are disappearing and programs are getting more competitive. Many programs want you to have a Master’s and sometimes even post-bacc or certificates before you even apply now.

>>14615498
Why would you do the most expensive and least worthwhile one though?

I got a Bachelor’s and started a Master’s from a well-known and semi-prestigious (think one of those “better” State schools) before leaving and am now working as a data consultant with access to all kinds of insider information. I can try to answer questions for anyone who has them.

PhD in Classics, living off inherited wealth, studying science, math, and music for pleasure: the only truly /lit/ option.

>>14615543
I plan on working in business. It seems useful for giving me flexibility.

>>14611864
>online
>pharmacology course
>struggles to consistently use the definite article
fuck off pajeet

>>14614796
why.

>>14611917
if you think the "material" is all you get from going to university you're an idiot

>>14614938
based

>>14614938
Have you not heard of garnished wages? If you don’t pay, they just take it without asking and they take more than they would have had you just paid.

Physics.

>>14615367
Them Google headhunters gonna get you eventually

>>14611717
Did he find that behemoth behind him on tinder?

>>14615390
Where do you live where it's 8 years? In California it's either a 5 year program or 4 years+2 years masters
>>14615540
He's not talking about going into academia, architecture programs are longer than 4 years to be certified and allow you to get a license to practice

>>14611764
Say that back.

>>14611717
why is it so hard to find someone to employ me as a philosopher king after getting a philosophy degree? fuck this world

>>14616120
Oh sorry. I meant 8+ for a PhD.

>>14615636
“Flexible” is just a term they use because it sounds better than saying “has no real application or function”. Do you what you want though. I’m just telling you my experience and trying to save you a lot of debt and disappointment.

>>14616283
accounting is arguably the best business degree out there

>>14616495
I would agree (although that’s not saying much), but we’re talking about MBAs.

>>14616520
if we are talking masters programs then it's pretty much pointless to do an accounting undergrad + masters. if you already have a bachelors and you're looking to do a career shift (say from the sciences to business) then it would be worth doing.

>>14616495
Wrong. Any business degree that has to do with logistics (SCM, operations management, industrial engineering) are the best business degrees. Accounting is purely legalistic nonsense that mostly exists to mediate between the organization they work for, and the government's tax agency.

>>14612522
>joining the military and doing some intelligence/cyber operator trade in the military since you get your training and accommodations paid for and after a few years you'll leave with tons of experience and have a security clearance
You have been deceived. Reminder that recruiters cannot be punished in any way for lying to the people they recruit. Army recruiters are pretty much used car salesman except with even less oversight or possibility of being held responsible for their lies.

>>14616713
This. Everytime they approach me I just do my best to make them upset. Imply that any rank that isn't a commissioned officer is an insult to your person. Really drive home a pretentious vibe that you aren't going to bother with a paygrade that starts with an E.

>>14611643
>imagine buying into the university system after the 1960s

>>14616548
>Any business degree that has to do with logistics

Can't fathom how anyone would find that less than a soul sucking profession.

>>14611630
Mfw when I'm a wagie wagie in cagie because my degree is worth shit

These threads are such a blackpill.

>>14611630
> /lit/ is only for low-IQ
> thinks law and social science is superior
> student debt is fucking the asses of social science degree taker.
> /biz/ and /sci/ the Supreme STEM
> Programing, Medicine, Entrep, and Engineering advances the human races.
> /lit/ cries in roman
> /sci/ and /biz/ laugh in A.I

>tfw ABD PhD student at Columbia
>tfw my "job" is reading books and not putting my pants on until 2PM

>>14616808
This is precisely why you shouldn't go for undergrad only. It lost all value. You need to go for the long haul like the FPBP suggests or just go for a trade or hell, do nothing at all.

>>14611717
>just have sex
So this is the kind of women I have to have sex with? Sadler is 6'4 and not ugly. I have to settle for an ogre? That's it? Fuck this Demiurge archon matrix world. To which gods or beasts must I prey to to witness the extinction of Earth?

>>14616901
I go to Columbia too. L-let’s meet up

>>14616915
Honestly, how do you guys still fall for this? The “you need a Master’s because everyone has a Bachelor’s” meme, “ROI”, “Career switch” is all marketing bullshit put out by Universities to sell student loans. It just doesn’t work out like that in reality, but people keep falling for it.

>>14616922
>sadler is 6'4 and not ugly
he has many more redeeming qualities than that

>>14617011
i believe he was referring to sadler as he is in the eyes of a woman, obviously women are incapable of appreciating philosophy/character/etc.

>>14611630
In no particular order
>math
>philosophy
>anthropology
>economics
>law
>languages
>anything oxford

>>14616984
go hit those gooks

>>14614628
the industrial revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

>>14612684
night shifts at the conbini

>>14616744
Logistics is everything, and is easily the least soul crushing work one can do.

It's a purely intellectual endeavor, requiring sharp strategic and critical thinking skills. Contingencies, probabilities, statistical analysis, complex models. High pressure, high reward, high tangibility. I can go home and feel accomplished about the white collar work that I do, because god damn is it meaningful. What more could you want out of a salaried job?

I read Napoleon, Grant, Bismarck, while accountants read tax code and the rest of the heirarchy reads shit about SCRUM teams and other nonsensical garbage. Most of which was probably invented by one of us, as a toy to distract the children and keep them busy while we focus on actually making things happen.

>>14617110
Books for getting into logistics? I’m a math major

>>14616224
You dont take philosophy to get a job mate

>>14616856
You're literally just a qualified tool. You aren't the architect, not even the contractor, you're the hammer. Going into engineering is just an elaborate way of proclaiming your submission from the human wielding the tool into the tool being wielded by the human. It should automatically disqualify you from being protected by human rights laws. Your existence becomes indistinguishable from the machines targeted for obsolescence in peace time and drone striked in war time. Your diploma is a symbolic representation of your cuckhood. You should be leashed. I would feel so fucking pathetic if I had to tell people I was an engineer lmao. Who branded you?

>tfw polisci

>>14617110
Wow, glad you enjoy it, just sounded like the next boring thing after accounting.

>>14617152
Just take some courses in industrial engineering if you can, you should be well suited for it as a math major anyway.

>>14617235
Just tell me the textbooks industrial engineers work nigger

my parents took me out of school when i was in 5th grade and I learned everything by reading books and not understanding them. I am the king of /lit/

>>14615427
>I don’t even know why I did it to this day, but then again I don’t understand the salary maximization desires at all.

Kek. I’m doing a junior analyst stint in IB next summer and will probably continue onto full time. It does seem like a pretty terrible career but still better than being a code monkey.

>>14617252
Well, it's mostly a whole degree where they take joint courses in math, physics and business . Figure out it yourself with your uni.

>>14611630
for me it's Geographic Information Systems

>>14617152
The Logic of Logistics for concrete theory.

On Grand Strategy for abstract theory.

Surprisingly, there are plenty of good video games that are great outlets to help you grasp logistical thinking. Dwarf Fortress (Operations management), Transport Tycoon/Simutrans (Supply chain management), and Minecraft modpacks centered around "industry" like Tekkit (Industrial Engineering).

Your gut reaction may be to initially reject this, as video games aren't really considered as anything more than vessels of entertainment, but I'd not be so hasty in that judgement. These games aren't necessarily realistic models of the processes you'll encounter in the field of logistics, that is true. But the fact of the matter is that they do offer a surprisingly good platform upon which you can put theory into practice.

>>14617235
In the lower levels of the field, it can be boring as you're little more than a warehouse manager and inventory-checker. Once you actually move up in your career however, it very quickly becomes engaging and challenging.

Convince me not to enter college and do a biology degree
I want an ideal I can dedicate every fiber of my body to doing, an ideal of celibate hardship and diligence.
What’s wrong with studying algae all the days of my life? Surely it will get me to Mars

>>14617385
Thanks anon. I’ll check them out

>>14617323
I’m not going to comb through a bunch of made up classes for a made up major to figure out how it all works. Everyone knows it’s a meme major at an undergrad level

>>14614920
We're talking about getting into Ivy Leagues, kiddo

>>14617424
Well apply to some logistic job and tell them you're good at math and maybe lick their ass a bit and maybe you get lucky?

>>14617369
I really enjoyed GIS. All the geography profs i met were really chill too

OP, sociology depts are usually shit in america, same with psych. Philosophy and anthropology are decent. I think i was most challenged by upper level literature classes tho

>>14612085
exactly this... can't count the number of times I've tried to do this and failed... you're right, it's this weird level of respect for people who can just put there head down, do work that either sucks or they don't care about, and actually seem to find some enjoyment out of it

> tfw freshman at Ivy uni but it's every department is infested with Anglo pragmatism so you are forced to major in Comp Sci to escape it
I thought universities were supposed to be filled with Marxists? Analytic philosophy and pragmatism creeps into everything here. I should've done more specific departmental research before I came here desu

BA in English and nothing further.

>>14616548
i'm speaking from a salary standpoint. it's second to none, with an exception of maybe finance.

>>14618214
Accounting is probably the absolute worst field when it comes to career path. Very stagnant and prone to stalling.

It's obviously Law.
>no skills whatsoever except for reading and writing.

>>14611643
I have a pharmD, the other pharmacists are literary smoothbrains who haven't read anything worthwhile. they are reddit-tier star wars / harry potter fans, or they are boring parents to small children. thankfully i'm damaged enough to be interesting

>>14618780
It was based up until
>i'm damaged enough to be interesting

Then it became cliche cringe

>>14618780
I do not disagree with you. Most MD, PhD, and JD holders are also midwits. It doesn't change the fact that the degree confers benefits like 100k+ starting salary, and it of itself, can be based vs undergraduate butt boy work where you make 30k starting.

>>14616901
>tfw my "job" is reading books and not putting my pants
How do I get in on this

>>14618851
Average starting salaries for all those degrees are dropping
MD is the only one above 100k and it is because they work 60+ hours a week

>>14611630
>people on the internet need to tell me how to live

>>14611717
How is he so huge?

>>14611630
>ctrl+F theology
>0 results

How should I go about getting a PhD without ending up impoverished afterward?

>>14619614
just become a successful academic bro
math 6k starting lmao bro it's easy bro

>>14619614
get a PhD in something lucrative. or better yet learn to enjoy living simply.

>>14619644
What's lucrative, math, cs, bio? I'm in the second year of a math/biochem program rn and I'm considering my options.

>>14619510
That's in the "PhD" category.

>>14619510
Prove to me right now God is real, i'll wait.

>>14619510
>>14619690
Oh I know what you meant.
I think the Catholics are asleep right now., but sure.
However the ThD are starting to die out due to the connotations in it.

>>14619510
I feel you anon. Right there with you

>>14614775
Thats a minor these days

>>14614859
Hard science is fucking boring. Who cares about making the world a better place, happiness can’t be found externally anyway.

>BAs in lit and philosophy
>worked in university admin for a couple years
>Got an M.Ed (certainly not the most /lit/ degree) paid for by school/employer (same thing)
>taught IB courses at an elite magnet school in the city for a couple of years
>now able to teach at international schools in any country, currently in France
>teach literature at a reasonably deep level to some of the brightest students in a given area anywhere in the world

I’m not claiming the entire process was /lit/ but I enjoy what I do immensely.

>>14619910
Those that aren't curious about the world are dead internally anyway.

>>14619510
Its integrated within Philosophy

>>14619921
Way too much in the world to be curious about now. There’s not many ways around epistemic dependence in the sciences.

>>14619930
I study the sciences because it's interesting and I want to be a more knowledgeable writer, idgaf about any projected conscientiousness.

I study the humanities in my spare time because it's inherently interesting, I pay a school to teach me science because it's "boring".

>>14619920
>two BAs
double major? how was that? and what kind of lit, english/american/french/etc?

sounds like you've had a good experience anon, i'm happy for you.

>>14619922
i guess that makes sense. you may know that, and i might agree with it, but i doubt employers would see it that way.

>>14619980
I think he's saying that you could've went the philosophy route and had a wider breadth of learning than theology anyway.

>>14619980
Yeah, double major. Comparative Literature, so mostly theory-heavy classes on world lit at large, though there was a language requirement and yes, French was my focus. I ended up with a minor in that as well, which didn’t get much use from graduation up until I moved here last year. Fantastic undergrad experience, loved most of my professors and the subjects obviously inform each other well. It sounds like a lot to double major and minor, but given how well everything went together it felt completely natural.

>>14620022
>wider breadth
and a shallower depth, for certain. who cares about what french perverts of the 20th century had to say anyway. the religious writers and philosophical speculation of antiquity is where it's at. the big questions. modern phil seems to me, with some exceptions, an attempt at escaping these questions instead of answering them.

>>14620026
radical dude. living the dream. i dub thee lit.

>>14619920
>>14620026
I should also add that I originally wanted to go for a PhD in literature, with the primary goal of teaching at the college level, but ended up going this route to save myself from the stress of getting into a top grad school and *maybe* having the privilege of adjuncting for years afterward. Much more job security with what I do now, and though I don’t get to explore theory as much as I’d like to professionally, I find that’s offset by not feeling the burden of publish-or-perish academia and I have no regrets

>>14620040
idk, semiotic biology and hauntology both seem pretty relevant today. Are there that many religious writers that covered materialistic solipsism and late-stage capitalism? I'd take breadth over depth when it comes to philosophy myself, people too in-depth in a subject tend to only see the world in context to it.

>>14620073
I'd go this route if I had an urge to teach, I'm too neurotic and awkward to be a good instructor.

>>14620073
based, i'm glad anon. honestly that sounds like the best fit for me as well. right now i'm in an undergrad theology program and want to get a combined degree (MA) in something but I'm not sure what yet. history if I want to go be a teacher at a private religious school somewhere, or public administration if i want to go back to working for the government. third option is ordination and continuing school that way, but that's at least a year away if it happens at all. thinking about this shit very seriously, wondering what i want out of life. i *think* I definitely want a wife and kids, but i don't know if i'd be happy missing out on a sacred life. at least i already know from past experience i'm a good teacher.

>>14620083
>materialistic solipsism and late-stage capitalism?
not in antiquity, but that's why we read them today. to take the foundational understanding of our modern systems of law and justice property and view them through those original lenses so we might be reminded of why we believe what we believe and what the arguments for those beliefs are. you're right on your last point i'm afraid. phd/academia is a shitshow and not for me. i fantasize about being a man of letters outside of academia. it'd be doable if i were more interested in worldly things. hitchens is one of my idols, but he seemed to be me to always be on the wrong side: marxist, then neocon, always an atheist. entertaining, but always promoting the worst impulses of man.

>>14620134
I think Hitchens was justifying his means, of encouraging materialism and individualism without acknowledging the human need for spiritualism, with his ends of combatting religious organizations that are the root of many moral injustices in the world through the guise of divine decree(especially in the middle-east). I agree with his ideal that organized religion is inherently corrupt, but his methods and base of readers seem naive in the context of the spiritual anemia of today.

Anything besides a Philosophy/Math degree is superfluous.

>>14620238
phil/math with a minor in a hard science and a dedication to lifelong learning is the most based.

Surprised it hasnt been mentioned yet but TRANSLATION

>>14619920
I work in University admin now and detest it. I’m being pushed towards an MEd and I don’t really want to. I’m curious how you felt about it at the time. I also just want to point out that it sounds like you really dodged a bullet with the bullshit fest that is Academia, which would’ve potentially left you in a lot of debt, maybe still struggling for work, and doing a lot of bullshit for a living, and instead got very lucky with an admin position that paid for your MA. However, most anons won’t have that opportunity and whether PhD or MA, they’ll be taking on a lot of debt to get it for likely very little benefit. You took a gamble on several degrees which generally aren’t very feasible and it worked out for you, but for every you there’s 10 others who it doesn’t work out for. Having worked for the University, I’m sure you realize that what’s being sold isn’t so much an education anymore as it is degrees and at least where I work, which is a Top 50 school in the US, administrators and staff openly talk about it as such. It’s really quite sad. It sounds like you got an education and enjoy what you do, which is great but perhaps it would be foolish to advise other anons to go and seek out an education at an institution which in my view fundamentally does not sell education, but instead sells degrees (which are more like professional certifications that carry pieces of an education). I think there’s some benefit to studying a field like philosophy in undergrad for sure, but the reality is that’s just not what America wants. America wants Engineers and Scientists. So, if they want to go to an institution, which doesn’t actually sell education, and demand an education in a field that nobody besides them wants, they can’t expect it to be particularly feasible financially in my opinion. They’ll spend a lot of money and most likely struggle to even get a job, let alone pay it back. If they do get a decent paying job they’ll basically be locked in to that job on account of payments. I guess I’m just curious what your thoughts on this are because for me, working in admin has been something of a black pill as I see us churn through lots of students in not just genuinely worthless degrees but also art, humanities, and even business that basically get spit out into the world with absurd amounts of debt and virtually no prospects.

>>14621295
it's going to be outmoded by ai in the next 100 years.

>>14619920
I also work in Uni admin currently and absolutely detest it. I’m being pushed towards the MEd and I just don’t want to. The whole experience has been a bit of a black pill on college honestly. I’m curious how you felt about it at the time.

>>14619900
americans with their minors and shit

>>14621324
Canadians too

>>14621314
im planning on dying within the next 100 years anyway and i wholly doubt you understand how complicated translating literature is or how much interpretation it takes

>>14621364
I wholly doubt you understand the complexity of translation algorithms 100 hundred years from now. With 100 years of google money and talent, they'll be making monkeys out of Pope and Lattimore.

If you need a philosophy degree you have yet to receive gnosis. Logic courses are nice though.

Don’t study history unless you plan to become a truth chad teacher or lawyer. Extremely fascinating major to sift through intentional inaccuracies and timeline redactions. Other than that major in something useful and not a perpetual uphill battle.

>>14621519
What would you call "useful"?

>>14616534
You need 150 college credits to become a CPA.

>>14619711
He gave these dumbs nigga

>>14611630
>/lit/ approved college degrees?

Bachelors:
History
Political Science
Classics
Ancient Languages
Philosophy
Mathematics
Theology
Psychology
Pre-med

Masters:
Classics
History
Philosophy
Theology
Mathematics

Professional Degrees:
M.D.
D.O.
Psy.D.
JD
MBA

PHD's:
Mathematics
Philosophy
Physics
Psychology
Classics
History

I've noticed that there's a substantial lack of /lit/ people who finish with a masters degree. Bachelors or a professional degree seems to be the most /lit/. But this may be a bias due to the prevalence of these degrees.

>>14616224
Enter seminary and become a priest.

I particularly regret Economics.

Fine art

>>14621317
If you’re being pushed to do a Higher Ed Admin focus or something like that, don’t do it. If you’re already working in higher ed and want to stay in the field (it doesn’t sound like you do), you already have your in. Just maintain solid connections and move up in your current school or others in the area before moving to a different state or something.
I worked in international education, both with study abroad and international students, and honestly really enjoyed that job. Always kinda had it as an alternate path to return to of classroom teaching didn’t work out. The bureaucratic nature of working for a public/state institution can be draining, and departmental politics are frustrating (given my field, we were in contact with almost every department on campus, from academic to housing and financial aid, and I was amazed at how petty academics can be when you see a different side of them from what they present in the classroom. Overall I liked it, but I’m not sure how much I’d enjoy working in a particular college (like Letters & Science, Business, Engineering, etc). It was the student contact I enjoyed the most.

How do I figure out what I should study at university?

>>14621965
If you don't have graduate education ambitions after you shouldn't go to university in the first place.

>>14621969
Oh boy, I'm in a really bad spot then. I didn't get accepted into trade school also because maybe they thought I wasn't serious about it due to my lack of experience in the field.

>>14612550
>>14612655
what if im not interested in any job a bachelor's could land me? and I certainly dont think that graduate school is a thing for people who lack capability: any retard can do a entry level job with a BS, but not many people can complete a PhD. I think you guys drank a bit too much of the "every billionaire is a college dropout" koolaid

>>14622023
You vastly underestimate how many frauders there are in PhD programs

t. PhD in Physics from top 5 university

>>14622035
what do you mean by frauder?

>>14622037
He means someone based who doesn't take the shit seriously yet smart enough to fly through it all.

>>14621854
>psychology
lol. Psychology is a /lit/ subject, but academically it's been polluted by women and liberals. They don't teach much about the actualy interesting figures in psychology such as Jung, Freud, Szasz, or Kaczynski. Conversations with psych students about such people usually result in being called problematic.
Source: reported to university administration by dull women for saying Kaczynski had some good ideas in regards to mental illness

>>14622128
intelligence alone isnt enough for grad school
unless it's a stupid humanity program or something

>>14621854
>no engineering degrees
I approve
t. EE

Did you guys still not know you fucked up not choosing geology? Its STEM its ADVENTURE its HISTORY.

IT FUCKING ROCKS AHHHHHHHAHAHHHHHHHHHH

>>14611643
>>14614920
How the hell are MD and PharmD /lit/? Respectable career choice, sure but not what OP was asking.
Philosophy is the obvious no. 1 followed by literature and history.

>>14622035
This is extremely accurate. You guys seem to have this impression that getting to and going through graduate school is like an intelligence or aptitude test so only the smartest get to or through. It’s not. They’re filled with people that will kiss ass and play politics.

>>14622299
lamo @ ur non-stem program

>>14622326
It is STEM but I concede non-STEM is worse.

>>14622488
i literally cant imagine what a humanities phd program is like, is it just a scheme for old men to fuck young girls? because if so, based

>>14617088
fucking spinning Jenny you've RUINED EVERYTHING!

>>14622707

>>14622182
>interesting figures in psychology such as Kaczynski

>>14621962
It’s strongly encouraged if you want to stick around, which I really only plan on doing for lack of a better alternative. I don’t even know how I ended up here to be honest. I really don’t fit in and I didn’t even have a good experience as an undergraduate student here. I really did feel like I was just a number to extract student loan funding from and got pressured into a degree program I didn’t have an interest in. I don’t have a desire to teach my undergraduate and would want to work in it professionally even less so I don’t know. It feels like I wasted so much time and money.

>>14619910
>Who cares about making the world a better place
Who says you're making the world a better place by studying STEM? Go volunteer on homeless shelter if that's your goal.

>>14611664
Imagine volunteering to have your life assessed by a 300 pound man on Manchurian winklepicking board

>>14619910
>Who cares about making the world a better place
STEM-fag here, originally wanted to make the world a better place but quickly realized that the world doesnt deserve it
I, on the other hand, do deserve happiness, and I hope to use my knowledge and skills to accrue enough capital to retire in a big house in the middle of nowhere one day and never have to see another human again
I hope STEM can get me there

>>14623051
Homeless shelters on the west coast are just facilities big tech uses to experiment on mind manipulation technologies. It's the perfect front

>>14623224
Wtf? I though Californians were the good guys.

>>14623012
What do you do and roughly where are you located? What did you study in your undergrad?

>>14611630
Comp sci so that you can actually get a stable, liveable wage and read/study on the side.

The humanities are completely dead/infested with women, neoliberalism, and söiböis, and even if you somehow still wanted to do it after knowing all this, you'd realize that teaching disinterested UMC kids, grading their papers, and writing some bullshit so that you manage to fulfill your quota in the "publish or die" scheme for peanuts is not what you had in mind when you signed up for your major.

That is, if you even manage to secure a place, given how overpopulated the humanities are.

I envy the people who had the luxury and the naivete to risk a humanities degree. If I failed, my parents wouldn't have been there to catch me if I failed.

That said, comp sci is definitely a soul-sucking wagecuck job, but few jobs offer better work-life balances, something that is essential if you wish to continue your independent studies. If you don't get hitched with kids you'll be able to retire pretty soon, too.

>>14621999
Maybe because you aren’t serious, about anything at that. Become a cop

>>14623511
>You aren't serious about anything
>Here have this gun and badge
Honestly what the fuck man

>>14611862
This. Wya?

>>14623528
It's honestly not a difficult job, people flip out over the cops sometimes shooting people or whatever but it's rare as fuck. Mostly they just go around dealing with people who are similarly stupid and aggressive as them.

>>14623536
Difficult or not you shouldn't be in any position of authority if you don't take it seriously

>>14623553
It's barely a position of authority is what im saying here. It's like being a hall monitor. If the cop is such a psycho he's going to go beat people up or whatever, guess what he's going to do that anyway without the badge.

>>14623511
>You aren't serious about anything
>Here have this gun and badge
holy shit that's based

>>14623561
Hall monitors that can fine you, detain you, or arrest you for not listening to them. You're really out of touch if you think cops can't severely fuck with your life just because they want to.

>>14623568
Yeah, then you’ll go from being a useless retard to a useful one, i.e. useful retard

>>14614938
School loans are the one kind of loan that you have absolutely no way of worming your way out of, or lowering your payments.

Your statement only applies to things like a $20,000 motorcycle, where you can con the debt collector in to letting you make $30/month payments. School debt ain't work that way laddie, ya git fucced.

i have a performance based degree from a major conservatoire in music (cello)
how /lit/ is that?
does the fact that i never even play the instrument anymore affect it?

>>14615044
Trades are ultimately the most based and /lit/ career choices. Being shackled in a cube or by $400k in debt is soul crushing.

>>14623737
>take out several hundred thousand dollars worth of loans to fund education
>graduate
>move to different country
ez

>>14623755
people with (useful) college degrees rarely end up in cubicles

>>14614920
It's enjoyable if you actually like reading. I'm PhD chemistry, not even that good at chemistry (compared to most of my peers around me), but I read at least three times as fast as most of them so I just get more work done by virtue of being able to know things faster. It's pretty comfy.

>>14623768
If anyone here is debating going to grad school, I recommend it if you are an excellent reader and would have no problem scouring journals for useful ideas and methods and then applying them later. If that sounds unappealing to you, then it'll quickly become the worst experience of your life, don't do it.

>>14623754
Hmm potentially based. I wonder what the consequences would be if your employer calls your school to verify your degree.

>>14623777
what program are/were you in?

>>14623791
they'll probably only do that the first go around, once you have work experience on your resume they'll be calling them, not your school
also, I think it might be intellectually dishonest to claim that one of your graduates doesnt actually have their degree just because they arent paying off their loans, but that might be just me

>>14623754
or even better
>graduate
>take out a bunch of credit cards
>pay off debt
>leave country
>come back 7 years later
ez pz

>>14623750
>how /lit/ is that?
very lit

>does the fact that i never even play the instrument anymore affect it?
double lit

>>14623814
I guess. I have a feeling Uncle Sam gon git his munee.

>>14623860
Truly enlightened. If you owe 1-2 grand to like over 200 different credit cards across 50 or so different banks/credit companies -- are they really going to chase you down? Seems safer than leaving it to the government.

I'm starting a Phd at a mid-tier school for Classics. I've accepted that I'll teach at a okay college, and am not pretending to be some brilliant scholar. Excited to learn the languages and be apart of archaeology digs during the summer.

I think an earlier anon said it too, that living simply will be a great aid in this endeavor.

>>14623764
Such as?

>>14623777
Do you think you should be recommending it if you haven’t even finished it yet?

>>14623887
Yes, they still garnish your wages if you don’t pay and you’ll crash your credit history so I don’t know how you’d get access to 200 lines of credit with a high enough cap to somehow pay off your loans all at once.

>>14623911
gender studies
>>14623887
credit card debt gets waived from your credit report after 7 years (from the date of delinquency)
student loan debt stays with you for life
dont try to fight the gov on debt, they literally write the rules of the game, you cant win

>>14614876
>engineering physics
you're joking right? let me guess you're just saying that because that was pynchon's major? because there's absolutely no reason to study that meme middle-of-the-road, barely-existent-because-it's-totally-useless degree path that doesn't even exist in most states. it's the psychology of engineering majors that studies a little bit of everything but ends up knowing nothing. there's a reason you pick electrical OR mechanical. it would be totally retarded to attempt both. it SOUNDS like it's "wow ill be really good at physics and be able to participate in theoretical physics and make cutting edge inventions based on my supreme knowledge of the practical and theoretical!" but in reality that makes absolutely no sense

>>14614876
lmftfy
EE>IE>ME>CE>>>ChemE=BioE>>>everything else
engineering is not /lit/

>>14611630
Asian Studies

I love how butterfly girl avoids these posts

>>14624017
no, the sciences are more /lit/ than engineering.

>>14624245
correct, I said engineering was not /lit/

>>14624214
does butterfly have a shit degree/no degree?

>>14624214
>girl
anon....

>>14624249
what's the most /lit/ science?

>>14624251
I reckon she is a degree in linguistics and ancient greek

>>14624263
physics, maybe
math is more /lit/ than physics but math isnt science

>>14620176
well put anon. you nailed it. feels bad because he's recently dead and can't defend himself, but i'm sure he's still the most influential atheist. harris et al don't compare.

>>14624263
>>14624267
not to say that physics is very /lit/
you know what? let's break this down:
physics: chads of the science world
chemistry: literal fags
biology: too many women
psychology: not a science
ecology: possibly /lit/

>>14624214
>girl
Well, probably being a 400 lbs with titties bigger than Christina Hendricks may count as a "girl".

>>14624313
Phsyics bachelor's are often tryhard ego fags, most of whom end up in finance.
You need a PhD. to truly be what we think of as a physicist. Even so, they're often guys who want to come off as the next Richard Feynman, who just as easily chastise people for not intuitively knowing their subject when they know it takes education to understand notation and definitions, all to implicitly pressure others in extolling their intelligence. They act like the theories of physics are dogmatically obvious to massage their pride. They grew up reading grovelling pop sci, by the likes of Hawking. But do they have the passion of Einstein or Planck? I honestly don't believe that of most physicists. They want to be the guy who discovered the theory, but they don't want to discover it. They want the title to be a license.

>>14623764
how

>>14623499
>comp sci is definitely a soul-sucking wagecuck job
is that inevitable?

>>14622235
based stem chad pursuing interests and not prestige

>>14623961
almost finished, 5 publications. How is that a bad thing? Would you rather hear from someone who got their PhD 10 years ago?

>>14620238
>>14621854
why does /lit/ masturbate to maths so much? why is that so special?

I’m not convinced that you can get a proper education in anything besides Math or Science in America.

>>14624545
socrates uses math when he wants to really cum inside his interlocutors assholes. a math minor that only teaches something like calculus isn't really applicable though. it's not (or hasn't yet been) used in analogies like arithmetic used the divided line.

>>14618760
soul crushing jobs

>>14624505
by getting a job that is not in a cubicle

>>14624540
I didn’t say it’s a bad thing. I’m asking seriously because you’re recommending it without mentioning anything about debt, jobs, the actual field of study, or the hindsight of how it actually worked out. I realize it’s enjoyable for you, but is it financially worth it? What if you graduate and have a ton of debt but can’t find a job?

>>14623750
are you me?

My goal is to one day pursue research on an arctic base because I think it'd be pretty /lit/. Any grad students in the sciences know how I'd go about doing this?

>>14624696
that sounds /lit/ as shit, best of luck to you anon

>drop out of school after 2 years of lit degree
>bounce around temp jobs and service industry for a few years
>get job at call-center for major b2b software company
>do my time, get promoted into a behind the scenes technical position with zero customer contact
>work from home and read most of the day, check email occasionally, do real work for maybe 1-2hrs tops
>have based conference calls with pajeets at 2am once a week, joke about how much india and america both suck

don't get a degree desu, you don't need one these days

>>14624880
i dont really want the job that you have, but its nice that you enjoy it

>>14612980
CHICKS DIG BLACKSMITHS

>>14624815
Right? Recording measurements that can only be seen at the edge of the world, staring out upon an unending plane of white, living in a community of like-minded scientists, reading and writing in the only patch of warmth for miles. It sounds like a surreal dream and I think it's doable for me, I live in Canada, I'm in a math/physics program and I know my school offers research oppurtunities farther up north.

>>14623750
Why the fuck don't you play it anymore?

>>14624979
Because if a degree is useful/mainstream then it's not /lit/

>>14624979
he probably means that he doesn't play in public anymore. I agree though, that degree would be a real waste if he wasn't even playing or writing music anymore.

If 4chan janitor was a degree, would it be /lit/?

>>14624911
thanks anon. it's not ideally what i'd like to be doing either, but for right now it's good

money is very good and it's extremely relaxed, but definitely not a "career"

i have a friend that works at a national park in astoria, oregon, might venture out west in a year or two for something new

>>14624880
You found a way to be a neet in all but the title. You better autodidact it up and pursue some passion projects otherwise you're going to feel really shitty 10 years from now when you're in the same position with nothing going on.

>>14625016
see
>>14625008

I'm halfway through music theory and starting organ, but I have a bit of a crisis right now and sometimes think to myself my art career should be paired with a sociology or philosophy (philosophy in my uni is shite tho) degree in order to fullfil me. am I too fucked?

>>14625022
Yea, I saw that after I posted. A parkranger sounds like a nice career, secluded and away from the concrete cage.

>>14625058
How do you know the philosophy program is shit? Music theory and philosophy is one of the most/lit/ combos I can think of otherwise.

>>14625077
have a few friends studying there, they are on third year and haven't learned shit, the professors only know about medieval philosophy, the rest is said to be a waste of time. I'd like to do some music-philosophical research after graduation, maybe I don't need a philosophy degree for that if I manage to learn by myself? idk, sociology program seems pretty good, but career is full of dumbshits populist sjw's

>>14624993
yeah, also a lot of time you won't need a degree but rather contacts to play, at least that's the way on my city. (can't complain, a lot of graduates suck ass)

>>14625190
From what I've heard sociology is a meme degree that isn't taken seriously by the humanities or the sciences. Maybe a degree in the classics, or math would be a good supplement to the music?

>>14625206
True, I think the degree is mostly for finding those contacts and if you want to teach. It's hard to get into a proffesional orchestra/jazz ensemble unless you're part in the

>>14625213
maths sounds interesting, though I don't think I'm that smart, but maybe I can learn the basics and get into logic, idk. you're right about sociology though, haven't met anyone studying that isn't either some populist or edgy terf. anyway thanks for the advice, guess I'll just pass this crisis and accept that nonetheless music is pretty fucking nice

>>14625222
yeah, non-consoomer, serious music performance is a bitch. that's why a lot of fine musicians end up either playing pop, or working on a freer creative environment as a game composer

>>14625253
Sociology just feels like baby economics and anthropology with contemporary blindspots to me. Music has been at the cornerstone of philosophy since the greeks, so don't listen to people that say it isn't useful, the greatest pleasures in life aren't "useful". Math seems like a somewhat related and possibly lucrative double degree, but it's up to what you think you'll succeed at; history, English, or any respectable humanities degree at your school would be a decent option.

>>14625281
I think whiplash whenever a conservatory is mentioned. Those serious orchestras and jazz-ensembles are a completely different beast than joining a local band on craigslist or freelance composition. Prestigious performance has never interested me, I'm into the composition part of it so I just taught myself and got an unrelated degree.

>>14625317
history here is a fucking beast, maybe after graduation. I don't think I'll be economically fucked with music though, I like teaching in higher levels and no one plays the organ so I'll have a few gigs here and there without much sweat. thanks anon

>>14625497
glad to hear it anon

>>14625342
nice, what you got? jazz composition is worthless imo, classical depends on the professor

>>14625514
a dual degree in math/physics and just short of a minor in philosophy. I never bothered with grad school, I might go back, but I need a break for now.

Music is based btw, it's been a passion of mine since middle school and I'm still looking for a band to play with, I wouldn't' call myself more than a hobbyist though. I'd agree that jazz composition would be a shitty program; I imagine if you can fluently read from a Real Book and improvise you could write jazz without much of an education on the theory of it. I'm sure voice leadings and the intricacies of classical are a different beast.

>>14625514
The organ is a cool instrument, I love the Bach concertos for it. What type of music do you play btw?

>>14625514
Sorry if this is off-topic, but I found this composition recently and I thought it had some really cool theory implications.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8re6rFj7q10

For the past century, composers have been rebelling against tonality and now we're coming back to it in the 21st, but what if the next evolution of classical music is microtonality? Could you imagine the whole tone scales of Debussy applied in this context? It could be an entirely new wave of both written music and instrumentation.

>>14625583
yeah, I actually prefer studying jazz on my own, classical theory tends to be beefier. Renaissance counterpoint is really useful to get out of chord melody routes.

>>14625674
the concept ain't new, but still is awesome.
check out Ives and Carrillo for more challenging microtonal music

>>14625621
I play pretty much any style. I've played piano for many years, so I can tackle beginner to a bit advanced organ stuff. Bach is amazing, but my feet aren't there yet. Cool thing about the instrument is that you have one of the oldest and largest catalogues, with early Renaissance works like Antonio de Cabezón and Landini, to twentieth century chads like Messiaen (he's my favorite, though too advanced)

>>14625762
I like the piece I linked because it doesn't sound too dissonant, or microtonal, but seamless. The trick to it is to have the microtones weave together beautifully and not clash. I feel like it'd be incredibly difficult to compose this way.

>>14625780
It sounds difficult with all the pedals involved, I'm just a piano pleb myself.

>>14625674
and about the next evolution of classical music, idk man, postmodernism fucked with our preconception of art progress too bad. sure there are always new stuff to be discovered, but it all comes down to personal preference. besides, there's almost no audience compared to a hundred years ago

>>14625800
depends on the music, Bach has a lot of pedal heavy stuff, but a lot of early music doesn't even have pedal, and other works only use pedal as a slow bassline, like in a lot of Lutheran music.
in contrast with piano, the fact you don't control dynamic with your hands makes it hard to express emotion, but easier to sightread

>>14625802
That's true, musical hauntology was a bit of a black pill when I learned about it, and yes classical concerts have become a classist, niche medium. Still, I find the microtonal sounds to be beautiful to my ear and that's all I really care about, it reminds me of boards of Canada in a way.

>>14625786
it really sounds beautiful. about clashing, depends a lot about what tuning you use, since there are a lot of different ones. can't remember right now any names, but there's plenty of vocal music which explores consonant microtonality. cavalieri (early baroque) had something for microtonal organ and voice, might wanna check it out

>>14625849
I suppose indian music has used alternate tunings between the western scale degree like this for a while as well.

>>14625836
love them. they're a perfect example of why musical experimentation in non-academic circles can be fulfilling and have meaning (normies will naturally avoid you, and you'll generally will reach an audience online) while academic composition is harder to achieve this, with all the snobbery already involved

>>14625875
yes, they have based their music on such systems, so a lot of microtonal stuff that can sound jarring of out of tune to us, is fine to them. can't recommend nothing like the link they posted recently since I haven't get to know that much about Indian music

bye thread, you will be missed

>>14625881
True, I think in our age of interconnectedness it's better to strike out on your own with all the freedom that allows. You'll inevitably reach fewer people, but you also aren't constrained by the norms that many famous composers were.

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>>14625875
yes, totally different system. basically they have one of the most advanced systems outside of Western canon. haven't checked a lot of their music though

>>14623896
>PhD in Classics going on archaeology digs
I don't want to shit on you or anything, but if you're in the U.S. you will most certainly be treated as a second class citizen by somewhat justified archaeologists. Many Processualists will treat your professional interests in their work with muted disdain. Still, I hope you enjoy yourself and the dig. Every excavation is an exciting and laborious process that will physically and mentally exhaust you. And you will probably meet some really funky anthropologist who will make you question what sanity even is.
Also, if you ever come across a Post-Processualist please put it out of its misery.

>>14623896
good luck phdanon

>>14626001
is the 8 years of school worth it for a PhD? do i really have to publish or perish? i'm just a student and the politics between department chairs and the other phds is already fucking grating on me.

>>14626018
No idea which PhD you're talking about, but if you mean archaeology then yes if you ever want to make money doing it. I'm not in gradschool myself, I'm doing GIS work for cultural resource management companies, then I'm going to go back and pursue a PhD at a (hopefully) really prestigious university. From what I've gathered its a lot of work with a high burnout rate, especially after undergrad. Depends how successful you want to be in the field I suppose. Name recognition is huge and you won't get that with just a Masters.

>>14626001
>Post-Processualist
From a cursory google search, it looks like these guys are just contrarians hopping on the "post" everything bandwagon without much logical reason.

>>14626069
Pretty much. It's also highly political, as you could probably tell from the numerous mentions of femnist and marxist terms on the Wikipedia blurb. Basically post-processulaists distort archaeology from a social science into a social trend.

>>14626088
Yea I got a feeling of that as well when I read "The agendas of feminist archaeology and post-processualism highlighted the importance of social and political factors on supposedly 'objective' investigation".

as if regular archaeology doesn't consider things like political and social factors. It seems like a bunch of "progressives" posturing their politics like it's a scientific movement.

>>14626134
>It seems like a bunch of "progressives" posturing their politics like it's a scientific movement.
Exactly. Unfortunately the same can be said for just about any subject in the social sciences right now. I don't think it's going away anytime soon either. Fortunately it will likely remain on the fringe or contained in progressive-created fields like feminist and gender studies.

>>14626157
I'm guessing these "movements" for the most part live and die in academia and the real researches don't take them very seriously. That being said, there's probably the odd prof that legitimately believes this is progressing their field. God, I'm glad to be in stem, people like this are here as well, but their politics don't become integrated in the field like the humanities.