/lit/ - Literature

My goal is to one day pursue research on an arctic base because I think it'd be pretty /lit/. Any grad students in the sciences know how I'd go about doing this?

I'm reposting this because I genuinely want advice.

>>14625940
hydrology. that's all i can think of i'm afraid. i'm sure military experience would help: either in signals communications, or nuclear, or something hardcore like SAR. don't know of any arctic bases, but it seems like mcmurdo on the other end could use anyone with skills and a willingness to put some years aside.

Art History

>Art History

honestly arctic sounds like it would have a lot of demand for trades workers. riggers, drillers, plumbers, electricians, etc. maybe some jobs for biology/ecology students who are willing to risk being eaten by a polar bear and losing some toes to keep wildlife records.

>>14625955
I live in Canada and it seems like there are research opportunities in the Northwest Territories, so maybe that's the closest I'll get to the arctic. I'm not even sure if Mcmurdo accepts people from outside of the states.

>>14625975
I'm in physics, so hopefully, I won't be near too many polar bears.

>>14626018
>Reposting here since old thread is about to get archived
No idea which PhD you're talking about, but if you mean archaeology then yes if you ever want to make money doing it. I'm not in gradschool myself, I'm doing GIS work for cultural resource management companies, then I'm going to go back and pursue a PhD at a (hopefully) really prestigious university. From what I've gathered its a lot of work with a high burnout rate, especially after undergrad. Depends how successful you want to be in the field I suppose. Name recognition is huge and you won't get that with just a Masters.

>>14625986
Post some examples please. Always was curious about this. I know where to find Antarctica postings but nothing for NWT listings.

>>14626066
https://www.canada.ca/en/polar-knowledge/jobsatpolar.html

CHARS is the name for the organization that does most of Canada's polar research. I still have next to no idea how to get a position there though.

>>14625911
Reminder

>>14624880
I fucking hate how you were able to get out of the bitch tits HR requirement of a Bachelor's minimum, but I'm really happy that you're in a good place, anon.

>>14626573
Hmmm, what about associate's degrees though.
After all, you can't spell i [<3 eating] ass without associate's.

>>14625965
Not any less useless than the other non stem degrees.

>>14626924
kek, you can't be serious. Surely actual history and being able to write are both more useful.

>>14626928
Not in the eyes of any employer.

>>14626928
>actual history
>being able to write
Learning these aren't important. A lot of college administrators talk up the latter, but they're either lying or gravely mistaken.

>>14626932
>>14626933
You're unironically telling me that an employer will look at an English degree and art history degree in the same light? There's so much stigma that art history is a garbage degree.

>>14626958
Yeah unless you're doing a job that needs an English degree they're equally as worthless.

>>14626973
But not equally hireable, which is what you claimed.

>>14626958
I'm saying they won't look at either because unless you're trying to apply to grad school, no one is taking an English or an art history degree.

Anyone doing a humanities degree thought it was worth it? I was thinking of studying Philosophy or Lit because you don't really get any debt in my country, but undergraduate courses look like a joke and something i can just study in my own time.

>>14626973
No jobs need English degrees.

>>14626977
Where do you get that I said that they were equal?

>>14626988
>>14626977
weren't*

>>14626986
>something i can just study in my own time
That's all undergraduate degrees.

>>14625911
construction management

>>14626996
good luck studying chemical engineering in your spare time

>>14626987
English teacher?

Mathematics

>>14625940
I'm an undergrad with a similar goal. I'm studying math and physics with a bit of a focus on analytical modeling and geophysics. The plan is to ultimately work in glaciology/climatology. I've been doing my best to keep up with the literature (publications in Nature, Journal of Glaciology, etc.) and my plan for grad school is essentially to apply to the specific university departments (and whenever possible the specific professors) doing the work I'm most interested in. As for careers, you could obviously work for a university, but also various countries have agencies which do research in Antarctica (for example NOAA and NASA in the US).

To anyone who is wondering if a PhD is worth it, let me save you the trouble. The answer is no and anyone who tells you yes will be either in the program currently and not had to face the reality of the consequences, not yet even in the program, or one of the lucky few spouting survivorship bias. Here’s the reality. It makes no difference whether you’re in STEM or English, the majority of graduate students are striver bugs who will kiss ass and play the social political game to get ahead, more than willing to throw you under the bus if it benefits them and if you’re thinking that being a grad student is somehow indicative of competency in the field as if only the best students go into it, you’re kidding yourself. The reality is humanities students in particular are spending a ton of money and time bullshitting to have the chance to apply to an academic position that most likely neither wants them nor will even be around in 10 years. For the most part, Academic positions are dropping like flies and what little are left are being doled out to feminist pragmatists, someone’s kid, h1bs, or people who are simply willing to regurgitate the same bias and platitudes over and over again. If you spend $100,000 in debt knowing all of this so you can have this image of being an educated academic, you’re a fool. By all means study Philosophy in undergrad, but dont go into debt and don’t think you’re going to be able to just get a PhD and become an Academic.

Thinking of dropping out of uni and learn a trade. Any thoughts on that?

>>14627166
If you're not an academic no one will ever take you seriously.

>>14627181
Trades are very safe, but that's all I can really say about them. It's by definition the safe stagnant path with no real opportunities.

>>14627181
Being a tradesman is only worth it if you have your own business, or are working with family.
If you don't have enough capital to start a business without going into debt, don't become a tradie.

>>14627166
>if you spend $100,000 in debt knowing all of this
Holy fuck burgers are so cringe. You know there are other places in the world that aren't burgerland. And in most of those places college DOESN'T financially cripple you for life.

>and don’t think you’re going to be able to just get a PhD and become an Academic.
Getting a sought-after position in academia is... HARD? Great take anon. And yes, people suck dick (sometimes literally) to get positions. It's no different than your average corporate job.

The truth is that, if you want to be taken seriously in the humanities, whether it be in philosophy, history, or sociology, then getting a PhD is a must. It's a big investment and you should make sure you have both the brains and the resilience to make it work.

Stop killing people's dreams.

>>14627192

>people take academics seriously

>>14627381
Who do you take seriously in any field that doesn't have a Ph.D?

>>14625940
I'm not an expert but in Werner Herzogs documentary about the people who work in Antarctica they were all just randoms from completely different backgrounds. It seemed like the only qualification you needed was to be crazy enough to wanna live down there. Obviously if you're gonna be a scientist you need qualifications but it seemed from the documentary that there are people who just do random jobs like maintenance and cooking etc. and that the people who do them are basically backpacking. I could have got the wrong idea though.

>>14627389
Literally anyone else.

>>14627367
Of course there places besides burger land but many of the people coming here are Americans considering American programs and no, you won’t be taken seriously at all ever. Newsflash. These positions are dwindling. I said as much in my reply but you didn’t even address it. There’s nothing to be taken seriously over. The only thing serious is your Sallie Mae account when you’re unemployed and nobody cares about your dreams. I’ll grant you things might be different elsewhere but in America, there is no education system. There’s a degree system and those degrees are professional certifications at best and lottery tickets for job applications at worst. I know it might be your dream to be a super /lit/ academic, middle class Americans need to live in reality and accept that their notions of anyone can be anything and do anything for eternity and it will all work out are simply not reality. They’re quite literally buying a very expensive lottery ticket in America and risking selling themselves into financial slavery to corporations or banks so if they’re fine with that because they want so desperately to be a turbo /lit/ academic, then by all means.

>>14625940
theres a thread on /out/ ctrl f/ antarctic

>>14627450
Name someone

Depends on what you want a degree for. Do you want to have a career? Go for STEM. If you REALLY want to work in the humanities, then get a degree on something which actually has a demand on the market, like economy, psychology or law. Don't go for meme/"hobby" degrees like history, philosophy or the arts unless you already have a career, just want to improve on these subjects and/or can't be an autodidact for shit.

>>14627475
I know you’re just going to dismiss whoever I say as not valid on the grounds that they don’t have a PhD or play the Academic anyway, but I’ll play along. Does it have to be someone alive or can they be deceased?

>>14627505
Preferably alive as we are talking modern times.

>functional major that will get you a comfortable job and preferably doesn't kill your soul
>literature minor

Any Politics or International Relations students who already graduated here? What are the career prospects for it?

I’m hoping to find a career that’s productive without being soulless.

The answer is a Conservator - that degree in historic preservation of books and shit.

Journalism

>>14625911
Bachelor: Philosophy & (X Natural Science) major; Language learning/philology minor
Master: Philosophy of Science
Phd: Topic of contemporary Philosophy à la Brassier, Land, Negarestani, etc.

why does /lit/ masturbate to maths so much? why is that so special?

>>14627538
Dmitry Orlov. John Michael Greer. Michael Woodley has a PhD now I believe but he published in academic journals before that.

>>14627693
>I’m hoping to find a career that’s productive without being soulless.
You've already lost

>>14625940
I have a friend in Antarctica who studied philosophy and is a carpenter there. I think any step you should be fine

Is there any benefit to getting a Master’s in a humanities field if I have a Bachelor’s in Economics? I can get a Master’s for free, but don’t want to continue Economics.

Is there any benefit to getting a Master’s in a humanities field if my employer will pay for it, but my undergraduate is in Economics?

>>14625911
Med school here.
Only thing that keeps me going is the possibility of someday doing telepsychiatry or radiology from home while I work out twice a day, cook for my wife and kids, walk my dogs a lot, and write novels.
But right now I really don't have time to write or read and I sort of hate my life. Made some good friends though.

>>14625911
Would linguistics count? I want to get my PHD at trinity college.

>>14627538
not that anon but Christopher Hitchens. degree doesn't matter as much as the quality of your brain and ability to communicate and entertain.

>>14627693
Well it's dependent on what you make of it. Jobs are going to be hard but rewarding if you enjoy the work.
You can get comfortable jobs as well as a wagecuck and work yourself up to a storemanager.
Buisness is a great place to start, but you should try and get some experience as that will dictate on how seriously you will be taken.
Buisness is a memedegree insofar you don't have experience to put behind it.
Also people hire for personality/compatibility in international managment, as you can't teach these things as proficiantly as the contents of the job.

>>14628454
Christopher Hitchens isn't taken seriously by anyone in philosophy/politics.

>>14625911
Humanities tier list.

> S
Geopolitics
Anthropology
Geography
Economics
>A
Music
Philosophy
Law
Psychology
>B
Art (artisanship)
Politics
Sociology
>Dogshit
History
Art History
Literature
Religion
Second Language

>>14628711
> S
Philosophy
Geopolitics
Economics
>A
Music
Art History
Geography
Politics
History
>Dogshit
Law
Literature
Religion
Art (artisanship)
Psychology
Second Language
Sociology
Anthropology

This more like it

>>14627693
If you are doing IR what year you are? There's a lot of Internship opportunities for IR students. Especially if you can travel. Try looking at opportunities at UN/EU/IMF/World Bank or other international organizations. You can also go to Embassy/Government level. You can also do at paid volunteering level. If you managed to snatch an internship and get some connections you are set for life. One thing i learned is that International organizations fund shit-tons of socioeconomic research, data collection and policy analysis going on. If you can get into IR/Economics that would set you up well.

>>14628739
How is anthropology shit tier? Government literally pays you to travel to isolated regions of the world to study culture of indigenous people. That sounds god-tier.

>>14628778
Field itself is shit tier and just my opinion but studying the culture of indigenous people is pretty shit tier too.

>>14625940
One of my lecturers back in uni was a geologist/archaeologist and had to travel at least twice a year during 1 month there. I know he was in my country's army if that's worth something.

No idea what he does there though.

>>14627166
Getting the PhD is hard, but doable. Becoming a decently paid tenured professor with that PhD may as well be impossible. Tenured positions are going away to make room for more administrators. If anyone in this thread is a freshman in high school, you'll probably be leaving college right as the last tenured positions are done away with.

>>14627923
STEM is something of a safe career choice meme, not just on /lit/, but throughout the whole neoliberal world. Granted, it's not that all of STEM is safe, just those positions that are connected to fossil fuel extraction or the military industrial complex.

>>14628852
Getting a PhD is not that hard. It can be a grind and have a high workload, sure, but pretty much anyone with a half decent undergraduate record can get a PhD and PhD programs are filled with incompetent morons who will kiss ass to get ahead. I know you guys don’t want to believe this, but it’s statistically VERY unlikely that you will become a professor. It’s far more likely that you will end up either in adjunct limbo for eternity, underemployed, or unemployed with a mountain of debt. Forget about tenure because those odds are so unlikely it’s not even worth considering. You guys need to understand that it’s almost like playing a very expensive, very intensive lottery. You’re statistically likely to lose, but just enough people will win big to keep you playing the game and that’s how graduate school works.

>>14627166
>>14628852
Alright, I'm getting a bullshit EdD

>>14627181
If you got at least an Associate's of whatever, you got a chance.
If not, good luck with the nepotism and getting into the union.

>>14627923
/sci/'s here.
>>14628223
>Is there any benefit to getting a Master’s in a humanities field if my employer will pay for it,
Do it faget.

>>14625911
none, the system is a scam and you are a retard for supporting it. like nigga just read a book.

>>14629044
>It’s far more likely that you will end up either in adjunct limbo for eternity
Yeah, exactly.

>ctrl-f
>communi
>>14625955
>communi
>no Communications
it's for the best. nothing but a bunch of girls wanting to work in HRL and PR. the degree is hardly /lit/ but i'm not a /lit/ kind of guy so i guess it all balances out

I'd say language teaching because i study it so i prove it. It's Lit because i have a shitload of free time to read and learn other languages. Im two years in and i already speak 5 languages. I also read two books (or let's say 700 pgs) a week. I would do even more if i didn't study a second major (Psychology) and work as a teacher.

There is still a lot to dsicover on linguistics and language acquisition. And what is more Lit than language itself?

>>14629234
>i prove it
I approve it*
Damn it

>>14628758
Do IOs pay well once you land a real job there? They pay you nothing for an internship.

>>14629234
What is your actual degree program though? Teaching language? I’m >>14628223 and thought about another language just because.

>>14625911

>>14626001
I've been on multiple digs in the Mediterranean, and some are much more professional than others. It's still a fairly young field for the Classics so there is room for growth. They are hard work, but lots of fun. I find much more comradery in archaeology vs. philology and a very useful tool for networking.

>>14629044
>>14628852
I mentioned earlier that I'm doing a Phd in Classics at a mid-tier Canadian University. I'm pretty big mid-wit as well lol. From what I understand, is that people apply for the top universities and are stuck as adjuncts. People need to be ready to apply for less prestigious universities/colleges, which I'm more willing to do. Happy teaching at a small school, and either in a small town or a less important school in a larger city. Also if you get stuck after like 2 or 3 years just move on.

>>14628758
I'm in my final year. I'm finishing up my undergrad thesis and debating whether or not to do a Masters. My grades are top tier, so I'm not sure if that can affect how I can potentially get funding for further education. I enjoyed doing my thesis more than any other assignment thrown at me and I find the academic environment quite cozy, so I'm considering teaching, but the main thing putting me off it is because I don't like the sound of nepotism and dick sucking.

I currently do unpaid volunteer work in the social service sector, but I haven't got work experience beyond that. As long as I can find a job that gives me flexibility and security, I'll be happy.

I'm just scared because I've got no idea where to turn.

>>14629329
Imagine having a non-muslim harem composed of those girls and making them preggers with your White semen and having 10 kids each while you're still a richfag who has a net worth of 100~ billion like Bezos-sama.

>>14627166
>if you spend $100,000 in debt...you're a fool
What shitty PhD did you attend where you actually had to pay? lmao, the real cringe is people like you who aren't smart enough to into the funded positions

>>14628454
hitchens was a pop philosopher. a good journalist, but he made no contribution to academics

>>14629329
How far along are you in your program?

>>14628239
I respect your hustle, but sincerely, good luck trying to write novels while practicing medicine. It's a superman task unless you're literally Chekhov

>>14629360
Yes, because graduate stipends are always enough to live off in the United States.

>>14629396
There is a big distinction between getting a graduate stipend (which includes tuition waiver), and going $100,000 into debt (presumably majority into tuition) for a program. Don't conflate these two. By the way, you can live frugally if you try. Not all grad schools are in NYC.
t. grad student in VA who pays $750/month for all expenses

>>14629295
That's an impossible question to answer. Some IOs are really well funded. If you are researcher for European Union you can land amazingly large grants. If you are doing work for UN collecting data in Burundi for example you can get amazing pay. But if you low level bureaucrat you won't get a large pay.
>>14629338
I found someone else who enjoyed doing his Thesis. I loved doing my IR thesis because I could employ all the ideas I had. You do social volunteering and have good grades, I'm sure you will land a good job. There's a loooot of socioeconomic organizations.

>>14629391
I start next year, have done a masters already though, and am just doing some languages well working part time.

Doing literature
Want to become either a professor, work for the Dep of State, or become a paralegal

Doing an MFA. It's not very exciting, but I'm making a lot of progress. I'm one of the better writers in my program. Look for my book in 5 years, gents.

>>14628711
Studying geopolitics, anthropology, geography, economics, philosophy, law, and "politics" without a solid grounding in history is so fucking retarded I don't even know where to begin in showing the obvious connections. All of these should only be available as post graduate degrees to history undergrads, would instantly wipe away 95% of the bullshit trash that continuesly infests these fields. Consider your opinion to be retarded

>>14629412
I enjoyed the thesis for the same reason. Plus, it was fun to travel to other Universities just to use their library for references. I took this thesis extremely seriously and did all the reading and planning for it over the summer break so I could get it finished ASAP. Everyone else in my class seems to hate doing their thesis though and are all scrambling to get it done at the last minute, meanwhile I get to act smug about it because I did all the work far in advance.

It's the work structure I loved the most though. Rather than having to go to classes, I can just spend 2 or 3 hours a day writing it at a steady pace and then just spend the rest of the day having fun. It seems like heaven compared to a wageslave job.

>>14629411
Agreed and I’m not saying people don’t do it (good on you btw) but realistically what percentage of people wanting to go to study humanities in a PhD program are entering funded programs AND living in a reasonably priced area AND living frugally? People want to study Classics at Columbia and they’re willing to pay for it.

>>14629392
Thanks bro. Fortunately, I am literally Chekhov.

How do I get a degree in metaphysics?

>>14627181
I'm a union electrician and I wouldn't want any other job.

Depending which company you work for there's a lot of ways to learn new skills in the trade if you're motivated.

Personally I've met a lot it cool people and worked a lot of cool jobs in different locations. Worked downtown in high rises. Worked out in the middle of nowhere for a few weeks taking care remote installations.
The comradery you feel tackling projects with a bunch of your bros for a week in a different city is priceless. It can be a lot of hard work but if you're motivated and willing to learn with a good attitude it's extremely rewarding. I made 100k last year and as nice as that can be it's the experiences on the job that make it worth while.

>>14629299
The degree Is technically Pedagogy of Foreign Languages. So it's not really "another" langugage. We have many classess about Pedagogy and Linguistics.

>>14629413
How would you rate the Master’s? I ask because I’m in a position now where I can get free tuition so I’m considering taking post-bacc or masters courses in classics and ancient languages, but I have a completely unrelated degree so I don’t know now I’ll fare or if it’s worth it.

>>14629702
I really enjoyed mine a ton! I got really good funding and scholarships which helped a ton. My supervisor pushed me really hard and I ended up with a pretty substantial thesis that I’m running with for my Phd. I also got paid to dig both summers which was amazing and a great time. It’s what you make of it though. Lots of my cohort did the bare minimum and since they didn’t want to go further, and didn’t enjoy it that much.

>>14629458
If you are studying any those degree without solid understanding of history and political geography. That's retarded. Not doing history along any of those degrees is normal. Not everyone wants to analyze "Fourth Lateran" or Joan of Arc letters.

>>14629733
I’m hoping I would enjoy it too, but I don’t think I’d want to go any further with it. I’m pretty much only considering it because I have an interest in the subject, it’s free, and I already know latin and greek from high school. My undergraduate is actually Econ and I just have no interest in continuing with that.

>>14629849
You should! coincidentally I did mine for the economy in the Late Roman Empire.

>>14629889
You sound like my professor.

>>14629929
Whomst...?

>>14629934
You sound like my professor for my classical mythology class at U of T.

>>14629952
U of T eh? Nice nice - I did mine at Queen’s

>>14629889
I have to admit that economics is not actually my primary interest within the study, but that does sound like something I’d be interested in learning more about. If you have suggested reading on the subject, I would read it.

>>14629995
The most important text was Banaji’s ‘Agrarian Change in the Late Roman Economy’ and ‘Exploring the Economy of Late Antiquity: Selected Essays.‘ I’ll have to look again at my sources after work... they aren’t exactly intro texts

These are pretty dry, admittedly, but they still really haven’t permeated into the broader scholarship. Very interesting topics about the rise of a new bureaucratic elite and wage labour. I tied these phenomena to the Gothic settlement of 382, and essentially, what was the beginning of the end due to economic changes effecting recruitment.

Alright guys choose my career path:
> Prof. in philosophy
or
> Psychoanalytic therapist

>>14630029
Those sound really interesting actually. I’m currently reading research on the spatial organization of the early medieval aristocracy for economic or political control and what that reveals about ideology. I’m finding it very interesting so I’d be interested in learning about sociological and economic aspects of the late Roman Empire. Hopefully they wouldn’t go too far over my head.

>>14629751
>Not doing history along any of those degrees is normal.
Implying the "normal" output of those degrees is anything but useless trash, precisely because the approach the subject with extreme tunnel vision due to their lack of any historical perspective
>Not everyone wants to analyze "Fourth Lateran" or Joan of Arc letters.
Dunning Kruger. You have no understanding of what history is and it's existence of being the foundation for all subjects outside of the natural sciences. Your information of it comes from shallow cliches. You are incapable of noticing the massive blind-spot in your intellectual reality. Like a kid who thinks he understands calculus without the ability to do basic arithmetic because he can rewrite formulas and symbols by memory.

>>14626958
>You're unironically telling me that an employer will look at an English degree and art history degree in the same light?
Yes, why the fuck wouldn't they? Both programs having essay writing at their core.

>>14630107
projecting hard?

>>14630097
A good roundup is generally available through both Cambridge or Oxford, titled something like ‘Handbook to Late Antiquity’ or ‘Guide to Late Antiquity. These have short little articles on a variety of topics and are good place to start and pick through the sources for the scholarship milieu

>>14630097
A small summary (though apparently this reviewer did not like the book):

‘In the troubled middle decades of the third century, the old Roman fiscal system collapsed under the combined weight of repeated wars among competitors for the Imperial throne and invasions by barbarians taking advantage of a temporary power vacuum along the frontier. To meet pressing needs the Imperial state began to collect taxes in kind, which were paid directly to troops stationed in the districts where the taxes were being raised. In the conventional historiography the appearance of an in-kind fiscal system went hand in hand with the reversion to a ‘natural economy.’ According to Mickwitz and Banaji, taxes in kind went to the troops; the bureaucrats continued to be paid in cash, and so had an interest in a stable currency. The gold standard is thus explained by interest group politics. Banaji seems to accept the view that in the third century the economy was becoming less monetized, and that this trend reversed itself after the establishment of the solidus. The logic of this argument is very obscure. The value of the solidus relative to the price of ordinary commodities and labor (a semi-skilled worker earned three solidi per year) was so high that it can hardly have been used except as a store of wealth or in banking and wholesale commerce.“

>loved reading books as a young anon
>literally become a 16YO Reader
>read instead of eating
>read instead of playing vidya
>listen to audiobooks while swimming
>turn down dates (1 or 2 a month for all of middle/highschool) to read instead
>skip SAT prep to read
>get scholarship because lol str8 As
>BA in literature
>just finished reading another book
>mfw all these idiots are measuring degrees by their fiscal earning power and not by the enjoyment they derived from their education

>>14625911
Imo maths, physics, Philosophy, and comp sci

>>14627923
Because maths, physics, and philosophy are somewhat related. Mathematics is far more academic and abstract than physics but they all deal with similar subject matter sometimes. Logic can be done in both maths and philosophy degrees. Physics is just an applied version of maths with experimentations rather than pure abstractions.

>>14630297
but how is cs considered a meme here but math not?

>>14630275
This. Also, remember that the most successful people are those who genuinely love their job regardless of the money and prestige it brings, so you should do something you actually enjoy.

>>14629626
I'll probably do it, maybe im romanticizing it a bit but im really enjoying the idea of doing something physical without having to stress about it after work.

>>14630227
Sounds cool to me, anon. I will add to my reading list. Thank you.

English bachelors here. Am I subject to teaching for forever?

>>14630275
But what will you do anon?

>>14630575
My main source of income is erotic novels but I also teach elementary school.
>>14630569
yes lmao. You learn to love it

>>14629329
Who is the Norway girl

>>14629356
imagine being a neo-feudal serf who fantasizes about how king bezos lives before going to bed blackout drunk because he has to earn a few dollars by the hour tomorrow

I've applied to a Film Studies MA program at a big State university. They waive my tutition and are going to give me a stipend while I TA.

I'm not sure what I would do with this. My undergrad professor who recommended me the program told me 2 of his friends went through it and they got jobs in advertising.

>>14630591
Do you teach just english or somehow other subjects as well?

>>14630591
>teach elementary school
And there we have the reason why you shouldn't major in something you'd have done anyway. Why pay a school for an education in something that you'd happily teach and seek out yourself.

>>14625911
history. every other social sciences type talks a big game until they have to explain to you what the fuck was actually happening in the world during any given year or era.

>>14630763
Until you're dealing with prehistory, then anthropology takes over. Econ is also based when applied to a historical context, sociology is bullshit.

>>14630740
I teach the core subjects. Math, Social Studies, Science, and ELAR (english language arts and reading)
>>14630742
A fair amount of jobs in the US are locked behind the college degree paywall. I'm not saying that you need a college degree to be successful but if you can get one for cheap with grants/scholarships/parents paying for you then it seems dumb not to, especially if you want one of those degree locked jobs like I did.
>>14630763
So you're a dumb chimp who regurgitates what started ww2 and thinks he's smart. Learn what a helping verb is you mong. (jk I respect your field)

>>14630779
It never is applied to a historical context though. That’s what history departments do. The actual Economics department is almost entirely just statistics and linear algebra and it just uses assumptions from literature that isn’t actually read for models much like how physics students don’t actually read Newton or something like that.

>>14630786
I wasn't arguing against getting a degree. I'm just unsure that pursuing a subject that you would've studied anyway is wise. I'm not likely to learn about econ, or math, or physics on my own so why wouldn't I pay a school to teach me, then I could learn about literature, history and philosophy by myself for the rest of my life.

>>14630793
I think a dual history/econ degree could be pretty powerful. Understanding how events unfolded and how the economic systems influenced them at the same time seems pretty based.

Jewish studies.

>>14630796
I feel you on that. Your reason but inverted is why I studied lit. I'm not gonna go to school to learn something I don't like. Esp when you have to pay for it like in the states.

>>14630925
I suppose it's just a different philosophy on what education should be. In my mind, I'm not going to pay to study something I would study for free.

>>14630803
You don’t really study economic systems in economics though, at least not in my experience. Maybe I just had a shitty undergraduate or its because I did a BS, but when I say it’s almost entirely statistics and linear algebra, I mean it’s literally almost entirely statistics and linear algebra. You’re kind of just presented with certain principles as fact and asked to draw graphs, solve equations, or make statistical models with those principles. There wasn’t really any contextual examination across systems or timelines at all really. It was almost purely applied math/stats.

>>14630947
The complete opposite desu. It's funny how that happens sometimes

>>14630786
talking about WWII history is a pure pseud move, no self respecting historian gets into that shit (unless it's to troll the Amerikanski fanboys who think they won that shit)

>>14631035
you know that little finger kiss that italian chefs do when they cook food?

>>14631015
That's a shame, I never studied it, so I'm working from an ideal of the program in my mind.

>>14631035
Can you explain the parentheses, I unironically want to do this.

>>14631023
Personality archetypes I guess

>>14628029
how did he become a carpenter?

>>14631063
I actually have zero personality. I'm an amalgamation of every book character I've ever read + ryan gosling from drive

>>14630701
Based

>>14631100
The consoomer collage tactic for getting a personality, I approve anon, that's what this board was made for.

>>14626986
Studying history currently. Yes, it's worth it for me, but that's mostly due to the professors at my uni. Most of my learning comes from their office hours since nobody shows up.

>>14631135
>Most of my learning comes from their office hours since nobody shows up.
sorry i don't understand this statement

nobody shows up to class? not even the professor?

>>14631773
Have you never been to university? He said office hours.

>>14631925
sure but "nobody shows up" to office hours is normal. typically that's by appointment unless you're majoring in that department.

>>14631948
>nobody shows up to class? not even the professor?
You can't backtrack from this. Office hours are usually open, so if nobody shows up then you have more time to ask the prof questions.

>>14631015
>You don’t really study economic systems in economics though
I can only judge by my experience in writing support, but this seems more like stuff you'd get into in a graduate program.

>>14630742
I only have experience with one school district, but here you can't become a teacher without a degree in education.

>>14630569
Honestly, it's probably unlikely, unless you pursue a graduate degree. English majors aren't teachers, generally, even of English. Education majors are.

>>14631966
fine but anon's statement still doesn't make sense. how is he possibly learning more during office hours than lecture?

>>14632112
idk, maybe he skips class, or the lectures are shit.

I did Ancient History. Did three years of Latin, and got a very solid rundown on Roman/Greek texts.

>>14632201
Finished with the Greeks?

>>14632233
My thesis was on Roman's so finished with them

>>14632201
Based. I'm doing CS but I'd rather be studying Latin.

>>14632241
I did CS for a year and dropped out for Ancient History :^)

Not kidding or memeing at all, it's the best decision I ever made.

Anyone else major in urban studies/ urban planning?

>>14630087
>> Psychoanalytic therapist
My digits will make it final.

>>14630701
I was shitposting there. But you know very well that is the final fate of mankind after all thanks to the CS monkeys accelerating the end of Man for 100 rupees per month.

>>14630867
Best of luck in Rabbinical school, anon.

>>14632365
I'm going architecture but I plan on getting postgrad in urban planning after so I can become a city god through a development/consulting company I want to start. I will make cities my bitch. Every inch of it by my design. Wish me luck

>>14632501
sounds boring

>>14632513
....ok? Designing cities and the architecture that makes it up sounds like anything but boring to me. Even if you're not directly interested in it thinking it's "boring" makes you sound like an idiot and/or underage. It's the primary expression of civilization

>>14632596
City planning just doesn't sound interesting compared to mechanical engineering, philosophy, physics, history and plenty of other degrees. I never said it wasn't vital, plenty of boring things are, I'll concede that it's subjective though.

>>14625911
There is no profit in humanities, invest in STEM.

>>14625940
You can go as a cook/handyman/tradesperson etc or as a researcher (atmosphere/climate/wildlife studies etc), the latter requiring more formal education while the former is mainly about prior experience. It's actually pretty easy to get into it 2bh, like the barrier to entry is shockingly low

>>14629329
bruh the swedish one is emma ellingsen, norwegian mtf trans

>>14632832
shekelbrain

>>14632501
sounds cool anon, good luck

>>14625911
As if I have the ability or intelligence to go to college

>>14633498
the important thing is that you have the good sense to realize that

>>14625911
any other /lit/ engies on here?
EE (student) masterrace here, I generally think that engineers are the least cultured STEM people, which is rather unfortunate
I hope to (if i can) go to grad school and become some sort of researcher, I think I would really like that, but if I cant do that a regular industry job would be fine
what field are you guys in/what are you studying? do you like it? what are your plans for the future? what is your impression of other engies? whatcha readin'?

>>14632071
So what does english get you

>>14625911
Guys how do you even know what you want to study in university? I need to go back to school and I feel lost. I did a year in CS because of >muh ez money, but had to drop out because of a shitty situation back at home. At least now I know I don't want to go back to CS.
How do you know what you want to do and how did you become decisive enough to follow through?

>>14633686

>>14631015
>>14630793

Depends on what economics courses you take. Micro/Macro/Industrial/Econometrics are of course abstract and deal with hypothetical and perfect conditions. But if you take developmental economics/resource economics/ political economics. It's more applied and deal with realistic social situations. [Of course you will still need to apply your micro/macro knowledge to those]

>>14633691
I was originally CS, but switched at the end of my second year because i hated it so much. I got went into CS because I had been programming since middle school and figured it would be a good career path. my two main grievances are: everyone in CS is a fucking idiot, and the work is the most boring shit ever.
I switched to EE, which I enjoy a lot more
I dont know what you would enjoy the most in school, anon, but I would recommend looking into what you currently enjoy, in the most broad sense: do you like learning new things? do you like getting better at things you already know? do you get bored easily? do you like working with your hands? do you like being challenged?
try not to just study something based on the actual content, but rather the nature of the work, e.g. if you like animals, dont study veterinary medicine just from that, because the actual work has little to do with animals

>>14633729
Well, I must have had a shit program the. because I took political econ, for example, and it was just turning political scenarios into math equations.

My school had an interdisciplinary major in letters, arts, and science which was effectively a little bit of of all humanities, arts, and natural sciences. That seemed extremely /lit/.

>>14625911
I'm applying for a history and political science BA. I already went down the stembug route and dropped out; this time I'm going to do what I'm actually interested in. The modern world is soulless. If i get a job out of a history and politics degree then the gamble is worth it, if not I'll just kill myself. At this point my biggest fear is being forcefed leftist ideology and being shunned because i don't start with assumptions about universal human rights or something.

most based thing ive heard so far this year was

my 600lb life

hearing a 600lb texan homo say the following;
>after a whole year at cosmetology school i finally got my license.

>>14629234
>5 languages in 2 years with a shitload of free time
Hmmm

I have no idea what I would even go to school for. I dont like anything enough to commit 4+ years to it. Guess this world is always going to have us eternal brainlets doing dumb jobs with no prestige.

>>14634296
Many schools offer undeclared programs that students can remain in for 2 years and take a wide array of courses before having to declare their major. Not considering cost of attendance, I think that’s a good idea for college material people who aren’t sure and something I wish I would’ve taken advantage of as an undergraduate.

>>14634296
I was like that leaving school. I was pressured into college by my parents to do a course i ended up hating, so i dropped out and worked for 4 years before deciding what i wanted to do.

>just got my BA in English
>joining the Chair Force for GI bill and Hazelwood
>hopefully going to be a cryptologic language analyst and learn Chinese
>if I become fluent, I may become a translator for Chinese lit
>free MA and PhD in my future
>might teach English abroad to Chinese kids and enjoy their unique misunderstandings of how English works
>proofread for a Chinese foreign exchange student once and the way he used English was absolutely fascinating

The future is looking solid for me /lit/

>>14634325
What did you decide on?

>>14634345
I'm>>14634225

>>14625911
>about to get BA in English writing track
>edited work instructions for a certian major steel plant over the summers
>boss really likes me, likes my writing
>might get hired back
I hope my future is as hopeful as it seems bros.

theatre studies + being an actor

What do you guys think I could do with an English + mathematics double major? I really like the idea of getting both but it seems like I'd only be qualified to teach high schoolers both.

>>14632619
>mechanical engineering
Souless, boring autistic shit
>philosophy,
Hobby, read at home
>physics
99% of physics grads do not become theoretical physicists or directly work with the field after graduation
>history
Hobby, you're not going to be a historian

Doing a biz degree with a concentration in tech.

Everyone needs tech.
Everyone needs competent biz-ers.

I like being in charge and making shit happen.

>>14632513
>architecture is boring

>>14632501

its not possible to improve the built environment with a better idea. regardless of what you might think. such as; people want a better standard of living, or that politicians, planners, etc. want what is better place, it's all bullshit.
at every step of progress all of these people will oppose whatever development you put forward, whatever investment or improvement, people will try to stop you. unless, you meet all of thier individual selfish needs, bribes, jobs for their kids, political power, give them something they can claim votes for, make them feel special or important.
the problem in architecture has never been a lack of ideas, or plans to improve the cities, to literal utopias, the problem has always been people opposing development.
if you want to become a "city god", you're best having the power and influence to achieve things.

and since you don't realize this now, you haven't got a clue about real life. and will like 99% of archi grads, be someones elses bitch in a firm for 30 years, until everyone above eventually dies.

unless of course, you have already have $100m on account to actually build something?

Finance
You'll see how many wonders you witness with some shekels.

>>14627069
Teachers can be any degree, at least in NYC. My AP history teacher had a Masters in Russian (the language). It's been 12 years but I remember the best teachers had degrees in their respective subjects. Chemistry, English with English. The shit teachers always seemed to have a degree mismatch.

YEah it' reads like a blog post suck my dick faggots

>>14634225
Enjoy unemployment.

>>14628794
Why?

no (You)s!!!!!!! D:

>>14627166
lmao @ ur humanities troubles

>>14635652
Which one is you

>>14635718
it's not the same
im the guy up there asking if there were any other engies on here, guess not :(

>>14635797
yes
t. engineer

>>14634560
architecture isn't the same as urban planning

>>14625911
Commerce so I can retire at 25 and write all day

>>14635402
Why do you fucks act like getting a degree precludes you from getting jobs? What's wrong with getting a degree, and then getting a job elsewhere? Most trade schools are short. A lot of trades and professions require the equivalent of 3 full time semesters at a community college. There's literally nothing wrong with wanting to be educated.

>>14636431
I honestly think it'd be cool if I met PhD that later became a carpenter or something.