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>>14610570
No. Historical Materialism has been completely BTFO'd and Class Consciousness was recently proven not to exist on a biopsychological level.

Marx was wrong about pretty much everything important, he just strokes the ego of envious thieves who are asshurt that they have to work for a living. Any of them who tell you that that isn't the reason are lying.

>>14610570
Yes.

>>14610702
i dunno if historical materialism has been btfo'd as much as expanded upon and corrected, but yeah right about everything else.

>>14610570
His analysis of contemporary capitalism was spot on and even to the non-marxist reader the critique will give some useful tools

>>14610570
His prediction that wages and living conditions for workers would improve was spot on. His prediction that in spite of this, the proles would be driven to misery anyway because of the obscure Ricardian concept of wage shares? Yeah, that one didn't age so well. This is why in the 20th century, starting with Lenin you have all these modifications to the theory to explain why the proles haven't revolted yet (Lenin used a crude version of what later became dependency theory)

By midcentury the postwar economic boom pretty much permanently ended any hope that "increasing misery of the proletariat" would be the driving force for revolution, so as cringy as the phrase is, there is something to the idea that Marxism went "cultural" in the 60s, i.e. Marx's economic predictions (the "base") were severed from his theories about the social forces and antagonisms that bring about revolutionary preconditions (the "superstructure") and attention increasingly turns to the phenomenon of the mass media, which was rather new at the time.

>>14610570
Not unless you are from the usa after the 80s, then yes

anyone know a good intro book to marx? just read the manifesto the other day and liked what it preached. the marx engels reader looks like the most popular text

>>14611168
Das Kapital v1 is basically the only thing Marx, marx. Everything else is pretty Engels.

>>14611179
nonsense

>>14611168
>the marx engels reader
Yeah if you want it bundled together. I don't know if there's any concern about Marx's use of (hegelian) terms in translation. Marx has a bunch of shorter texts you could read seperately.

>>14610570
no he was left if you know what i mean lol

>>14611179
Engels himself admitted Marx did most of the work and he only built on what Marx did.

>>14610702
>Class Consciousness was recently proven not to exist on a biopsychological level
buzzwords

>>14610570
You can never be right

>>14611168
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1865/value-price-profit/

https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/wage-labour/

>>14610570
Most would say he was left actually

>>14612368
Based

>>14610702

>Historical Materialism has been completely BTFO'd

By who?

>Class Consciousness was recently proven not to exist on a biopsychological level.

Sauce?

>>14610702
Is this a joke post?

>>14610570
how would i know??!

>>14610570
No. Base-superstructure is not at all corroborated by modern anthropological evidence. Rather, superstructure is ontologically prior to and the condition for the base (Marx intimated this, and in attempt to get around it whilst retaining the ontological primacy of the productive forces, chose to make the two exist in a minimally reciprocal relationship). For a contemporary example, think of the relation of political structures to markets and corporations.