/lit/ - Literature

Yes.

Yes.

*Catholic

Mystic

>>14600219
/lit/ is a satanic board in a way that makes fat chicks who think they are satanists uncomfortable.

/lit/ is a Whiteheadian Naturalist board

A miserable little pile of secrets

>>14600324
sick of hanging out with racists who like good pizza and never want to go to little caesars

I feel like Buddhism is a rather pessimistic philosophy
They think that life is so full of suffering that you should actively work toward the goal of not existing
I like living, personally

>>14600336
yeah, I wish there was a strand of buddhism that recognized Siddartha's core teachings, like the fact that life is suffering, but rejected his pussy ass bitch "solution" to suffering

>>14600329
LOL he just needs a wreath, never thought of that! He is a Theravada monk, a buddy of mine that I send a pizza to once in a while. He lives in an Asian monastery in Cali and so almost always has Asian food to eat. But he likes pizza, so I try to see that he gets some every so often.

>>14600421
So basically life is suffering and you should continue to suffer?

>>14600458

>>14600462
Based butterfly is back again.

>>14600474
Look how noble the native monks look compared to the cringe anglo. Please don't be like this, buddhistbros.

>>14600458
>>14600474
pretty cool, how did he end up becoming a monk?

>>14600462
Yes. We aren't meant for this world, but the next.

>>14600421
Not an actual doctrine or anything, but a lot of Japanese literature kind of does this.

Why yes I am a Harrisian Buddhist *tips*

>>14600508
How did this retard study under Vajrayana masters but still end up retarded?

>>14600462
Yes, because you should continue to live. That's what organisms exist for. To suffer, reproduce and die. You should consider yourself lucky you're a human and have more control of your suffering and have a basically endless surplus of food and entertainment. Avoiding pain in such an extreme manner is also avoiding joy. Why even live then? no reason if you don't believe in those "breaking out of reincarnation" fantasies.

>>14600502
got any recs?

Yes.

>>14600514
he's not retardeed, he's a smart businessman. He used his neuroscience background to justify a shitty McDonalds version of buddhism that pretends to be smarter and more scientific. Fedora autists love how he makes them feel smarter without actually having to put in any effort

>>14600267
>name is Whitehead
>head looks like a giant pimple

Has anyone ever made this observation before?

>>14600586
>ying yang background
so /lit/ is daoist? based. Secular daoism is buddhism for Chads

>>14600561
I'm not an expert or anything, but I really enjoyed Snow Country by Yasunari Kawabata. Themes of impermanence and the suffering that goes with that being beautiful are really common in general in Japan and it goes back to medieval times.

>"From whatever new points of view the Buddha's system is tested with reference to its probability, it gives way on all sides, like the walls of a well, dug in sandy soil. It has, in fact, no foundation whatever to rest upon and hence the attempts to use it as a guide in the practical concerns of life are mere folly. Moreover Buddha, by propounding the three mutually contradicting systems, teaching respectively the reality of the external world, the reality of ideas only and general nothingness, has himself made it clear that he was a man given to make incoherent assertions or else that hatred of all beings induced him to propound absurd doctrines by accepting which they would become thoroughly confused…Buddha’s doctrine has to be entirely disregarded by all those who have a regard for their own happiness."

Adi Shankara - Brahma Sutra Bhasya 2.2.32.

>>14600668
>says the crypto-buddhist
lol

>>14600421
Well wait, the solution to suffering is detachment (Third Noble Truth: Nirodha), being the logical implication to attachment being the way we suffer (Second Noble Truth: Samudaya). Detachment in of itself does not imply the cessation of continued life (if that's what you're saying), only that of suffering.

You can still enjoy a life of fun as long as you don't let yourself become consumed by pleasure and thereby leave yourself vulnerable to suffering.

>>14600668
https://www.youtube.com/embed/CkdpzRDxTXU?start=147&end=153

>>14600668
https://www.youtube.com/embed/CkdpzRDxTXU?start=147&end=154

Mahayana is not buddhism.

>>14600706
>You can still enjoy a life of fun as long as you don't let yourself become consumed by pleasure and thereby leave yourself vulnerable to suffering.
maybe I should read more primary sources, cause my understanding is that the best way to avoid attachment to things is basically to avoid things, at least if you're a monk who wants to become enlightened. Avoid sex, for example, because the act itself is a short-term pleasure that causes more craving and attachment, leading to suffering. Maybe, hopefully I got it wrong

>>14600745
>only my buddhism is the real buddhism
fuck off with that catholic tier retardation

>>14600586
Based Budhmer

>>14600746
One place to start is to recognize the Three Marks of Existence.
The first is, of course, Dukkha, the fact that pain and dysphoria are an inevitable and normal part of life, implicit in being alive.
The second is Anicca, "impermanence", the realization that nothing lasts forever. Whatever pleasure and euphoria or pain and dysphoria you may be feeling, it won't last forever.

Now, the third mark is Anatta/Anatman, the negation of Atman. That being the Hindu conception of the soul, Anatman is often taken to mean that there is no soul, but this cannot be as that would contradict reincarnation.
A more coherent understanding of Anatta is that there is no Ego, no inherent distinctions between souls, that in the brain and body of another you would be that person and do exactly as them, and that there is nothing about you to carry on to your next life as memory dies with the brain.
Or in other words, Anatta does not reject metaphysical idealism/dualism, it rejects essentialism, and is thereby not a statement of materialism, but of existentialism.

>>14600474
lol is he selling them weed? why doesn't the retard know how to sit properly

>>14601263
Don't be so harsh.

>>14600668
Pic related

>>14600267
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_Western_philosophy#Buddhism_and_Process_philosophy

http://www.integralscience.org/whiteheadbuddhism.html

https://www.religion-online.org/article/mosa-dharma-and-prehension-nagarjuna-and-whitehead-compared/

>>14601122
>that in the brain and body of another you would be that person and do exactly as them,
>you would be that person
>you

Who? Taking you for your word, who would be that other person?

>>14600668
great.. great.. great... and whats his religion

/lit/ is a Christian board

>>14600488
>native monks look
monkeys

>>14600592
>Whitehead
are full of brains

>>14600588
>Fedora autists
But that brand of Budd worships him as a god. Isn't this guy a secular jew?

what arguments did buddha have against women partaking in monasticism? Are there any hindus that back it up?

Western people picking up Buddhism is really fucking onions and i don't like it. I know a few guys who call themselves Buddhist but it is obvious they only do it for pussy and to look smart.

>>14600336
>>14600421

it's called Stoicism, thank me later

>>14601122
Hindus, Buddhists, Daoist all taught that we were all the same entity as the godhead, in original sources, Enlightenment included this realization. My personal belief is the anatman was invented to distinguish Buddhists during their "persecution" really absorption into later normative Hinduism. This anatman is where Jung got his idea for the "unconscious".

>>14601928
>Who? Taking you for your word, who would be that other person?
>other person
Exactly that.

>>14601968
Advaita Vedanta

Recs to start with buddhist philosophy? Looking for classics not self-help shit

/lit/ is christian board
>catholic actually

>>14602189
so, basically roman paganism

/lit/ is a board

>>14600336
Bro Crist was the same way. Have you tried to live in the wilderness for a long time without technology or not eat for more than a month? Iife is suffering but the path is very clear. No need to focus on the suffering dude it's so bright and sunny outside vgood desu!

>>14600462
Yes. But it's the process in which one suffers. Limit expirence.

>>14600474
A true work of art

>>14600508
*Become a Buddhist goy*

>>14600556
>organisms exist for. To suffer, reproduce
Oh Enlighten us oh great Bugcatcher follower!

>>14601981
Desu>>14602189
*Roman

>>14601263
>retard know how to sit properly
White men are built like men, not bugs. Buddha was white Saki Aryan.

>>14602173
here's a guide that's circulating /lit/
i rec starting with a collection of pali canon sutras, such as:
>Bhikkhu Bodhi - In the Buddha’s Words - An Anthology
>John Holder - Early Buddhist Discourses

then move on to an overview of mahayana history/philosophy:
>Paul Williams - Mahayana Buddhism - The Doctrinal Foundations

iirc buddhism subreddit has a sticky with a huge amount of resources from pali canon to zen, you can check

Just a reminder that the Buddha was a Scythian (Aryan):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakya
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saka
>leading deity in the Scythian pantheon was Tabiti, whom he compared to the Greek god Hestia.[2] Tabiti was eventually replaced by Atar, the fire-pantheon of Iranian tribes, and Agni, the fire deity of Indo-Aryans.[7]
>The Shakyas were by tradition sun worshippers,[33][34]
>Some scholars, including Michael Witzel[45] and Christopher I. Beckwith[46] argue that the Shakya were Scythians from Central Asia or Iran, and that the name Śākya has the same origin as “Scythian”, called Sakas in India.
>The Shakya clan of India, to which Gautama Buddha, called Śākyamuni "Sage of the Shakyas", belonged, were also likely Sakas, as Michael Witzel[72] and Christopher I. Beckwith[73] have demonstrated.

isn't Buddhism the most incel cope religion?

>>14600219

>>14602164
What is not a religion. It is just Buddhism + the noble lie.

>>14600251
>>14601981
Based and redpilled.

>>14602364
>catholic
>redpilled
Pick one, dumb christfag

Lit might fit the life denying criteria of buddhism but the very existence of this website and the motivation for anyone coming here is as anti buddhist as it can get.

>>14602502
Please elaborate

>>14602203
Desu

>>14600219
Buddhism is not reconcilable with the Will to Power. Plus, Westerners who 'convert' to Buddhism are always absolute cringelords

>>14602491
Two thousand years of church history proves that Catholicism is the only way to avoid being snared by gnostic epistemology. It is by definition, in the spirit of that Matrix movie’s iconic plot device, where this euphemism originated from, *red-pilled*. There are two choices: either the fullness of truth in the Roman Church, or, neverending struggle with illusion and shadows. Extra Ecclasiam nulla salus.

Yes, BAPian buddhist

>>14602723
>Two thousand years of church history proves
nothing

>>14602164
No : >>14601904

https://discord.gg/9FncZd4

>>14602234
nuh buddha was olive skinned
and white men are built apes whose legs would hurt if they tried to sit in more civilized style of sitting
better suited as beasts of burden to easterners

>>14602738
Actually it proves that Christianity was a mistake.

>>14603262
Right that's why whites poo in the street and slimes are the most powerful

>>14600494
I think he was looking for a tough, manly spiritual path, something that would challenge him. His dad was an Ernest Hemmingway type, and he takes after him but wanted his own masculinity to take a more metaphysical direction. The Taungpulu forest tradition was the way he went, spending many years living in Burmese forests. He has written about it, including some forest journals, in his various 'blogs. There are links to his writings at http://www.navakavada.org/ , a website I started to help raise awareness about traditional style Western Buddhism, and also to fund books and pizzas for him. He currently writes mostly about the kulturkampf from a traditional Buddhist perspective, but his earlier 'blogs are more about his Buddhism. IMO he combines intelligence, humour, and a fierce dedication to his chosen path.

http://thebahiyablog.blogspot.com/2015/12/how-i-became-bhikkhu-outward-process.html?m=1

>>14604331
Here is part 2 of his story...

http://thebahiyablog.blogspot.com/2015/12/how-i-became-bhikkhu-constitutional.html?m=1

>>14601263
Burmese people do not smoke ganja. The monks are taking part in a formal act of the Sangha, part of the Kathina festival.

>>14602723
christianity is the blue pill. studying the origins of the bible is redpilled

>>14602189
>Catholic admitting that he is not christian
Well you're honest atleast.

>>14600336
>>14600421

Yeah if you faggots would actually read the pali canon instead of pretending you know about buddhism you would know that nibanna isn't total annihilation of experience.

>>14604872
so what is it? I don't know shit about buddhism. What are the main strains of interpretation of what the "goal" of the religion really is? From what I understand, there are renunciate buddhists who advocate personal asceticism and then there are savior buddhists who advocate guiding others to enlightenment.

How do the different branches break down? How many different approaches are there? How did they develop?

>>14605030
Too long a discussion to go into but essentially what you need to know is the creation of Mahayana was extremely dubious. Basically a glorified warlord attempting to enlist people into his divinated interpretation of Buddhism so dragged people to Theravadan temples and showed there were cum stains on their blankets from nocturnal emissions. This was his supposed evidence that Theravada wasn't the true way. It's mormonism tier bullshit. But much like mormonism, that doesn't mean all deviant sects are always wrong. There's a lot of useful stuff in Vajrayana and Mahayana but stuff like the Bodhisattva pact you referenced (waiting until others reach enlightenment) is anti dharma. Buddhism is just as much a language and system of logic as it is a belief system. There is a circularity to it and if you spend enough time with the Pali canon you will see most "Buddhism" today is bullshit. The only refutation to this is that the Pali canon is a transcribed oral tradition -- which is easily btfo by the fact that practically every sect is heavily reliant on the Pali canon. tl;dr stick with thervadan teachers and scriptures

>>14605072
Not the other anon but can you at least try to explain nibbana? I can never get a Theravadin to ever say anything about it and it seems like Buddhism is just psychology for them and they believe in complete extinguishment. Life is just about morality, rules and merit making.

Mahayana seems to be the only ones that actually put forward metaphysical doctrines. Mahayana have like hundreds upon hundreds of philosophers/metaphysicists while Theravada got what, Buddhaghosa?

>>14602547
>the Will to Power
Nietzsche during his few lucid periods, admitted that this was just "desire for money"

>>14603262
>>14602274

>>14605226
I can tell you this, assuming you will take it with a grain of salt (as the buddha said stuff for a specific reason and I shouldn't be subverting that stuff). A careful analysis of the pali canon will reveal that Nibanna is not an endpoint. It's more just the end of samsara. Descriptions beyond samsara are vague other than there is existence beyond it. Nibanna is simply the end of suffering. As I have not attained it but I have had quite a serious practice for years now, what I can tell you is vipassana meditation teaches you to separate pain from suffering. So it isn't the end of all pain per se as the buddha was known to cry out of compassion for people suffering. There's also a lot of stuff i cant talk about like supernormal abilities you supposedly gain with nibanna. Also, I'm not sure nibanna is real, and i don't say this as in I am skeptical of the existence of nibanna. It's just buddhist "faith" operates differently than christian faith. You are only supposed to believe in what you experience. So I have faith that nibanna is real but I am not sure that is is real. My faith is based on getting to advanced stages of practice and finding buddhism to be infallible.

>>14605308
>Nibanna
We all have a pilot light of desire burning within us; in some it burns hot, in some it burns slow, but each and every one of us have it lit. Nibanna blows it out.

>>14605300
Source?

>>14605326
How profound. That didn't answer his question or enlighten me at all.

>>14605340
>enlighten me at all.
You will never wake up from looking at moldy old books, dressing up in a sheet, and wandering around in the woods somewhere exotic - that's just egotism of the spiritual variety.

>>14605308
hmm thanks for the explanation but this doesn't really do it for me lel

Funny thing is I started out looking into Buddhism through Theravada with people like Hillside Hermitage and Nanavira Thera(only read his letters so far) but then I began with some Mahayana texts and really I have trouble seeing any allure toward Theravada now. Mahayana philosophical texts are really interesting to me. Tons of deep metaphysics, their non-duality and two truth doctrine seems well reasoned. They're arguments I can understand and debate with others and myself. Theravada? Not so much.

But then again I haven't meditated at all and Nanavira Thera says that Buddhism must be embraced completely existentially from a deeply subjective point of view, and not scholarly. So I guess to him it would make sense why I have much less interest in Theravada.

>>14605411
Where would you recommend starting with Mahayana? I am mostly interested in higher metaphysics, asceticism, and helping others (in the highest sense). And I am willing to read difficult things if that makes any difference.

>>14605308
This is very interesting also, thank you. Although I confess I am also sceptical about Theravada as you sketched it. What would you recommend for the sort of buddhism you describe here?

>>14605595
The introduction found in the "Introduction to the Middle Way" is a good introduction to Madhyamika. The rest of the book is supposed to be good too but I haven't read that yet so I can't comment on it. "Nagarjuna's Madhyamaka" by Jan Westerhoff is good too. Those would probably be good starting points to get into Mahayana.

Both can be found online.

>>14605751
Thanks friendo.

>>14605751
Interesting, I was just about to suggest this. I was introduced via Pyrrho of Elis.

Recently rediscovered insight into very earliest Buddhist teaching. Apparently pre-normative Buddhism did NOT teach karma, and DID advocate personal self-denial and austerity.

>>14605595
What I described was all part of Theravada. As the other anon explained, Mahayana talks and what not can be interesting but they don't deliver you to higher knowledge or wisdom. They are only useful as guide posts in my experience. Ultimately everything you need to actually succeed is in the Pali canon. Mahayana is largely superfluous and focuses on marketability more than execution.

>>14605411
If you are looking for stuff that does it for you you are sure to fail. Just make sure you grow out of that mindset over time.

http://www.nippapanca.org/uploads/2/4/5/9/24591864/av_path_press_edition.pdf

>>14606110
>If you are looking for stuff that does it for you you are sure to fail.
That's elegant. But how do we keep our minds so completely closed as your enlightened self, oh dim bulb of the universe?

This is where intellectuals roam

>>14604576
This.
The Romans co-opted a legit religious movement and manipulated it to work as a tool of state apparatus.
Instead of being conquered by the Christians from within, they turned Christianity into a method of state and population control.

>>14606380
>But how do we keep our minds so completely closed as your enlightened self

Are you honestly proposing my mind is closed when you refuse to actually investigate Theravada but will do so with Mahayana because it's more fun? Come on.

>>14602502
How? Anons detach themselves from their face, their name, their voice, their body, and even persistent identity between threads, to engage in a medium of almost pure thought. Nirvana must be a lot like a perfect, endless imageboard, with no jannies or mods or admins.

>>14600219
Does anyone have that image but without the person/wojak edit in it

>>14607140
So just a smith chart or whatever it's called?

>>14607211
ah, so that's what it's called
thanks

>>14601990
Cringe. Be edgy somewhere else. You are of the same impermanent existence as them.

>>14600219
>>14600247
>>14600250
>>14600251
>>14600257
no

>>14600219
will bhuddism help me understand how to compute impedance...?

I still think we should give Sami folk beliefs a shot. It's winter, it's a great time for reindeer and becoming possessed.

>>14607758
>It's winter
yea nah it ain't fucking wint'a yet m8

anyone can help me, what is the name of that charismatic (american?) buddhist who has some funny pictures with pizza, who wrote some shit about man being a deluxe ape or whatever

>117 posts
>zero that give any hint what 'buddhism' actually is
/lit/
judaized society

just a bunch of retarded nonhuman automatons of flesh passing signals to each other
inanimate abominations

they have no idea what anything they say means
there is no logical connection in their brains between any of their 'ideas'
only an emotion connection reinforced coincidentally through social pressure and hyperstimulation from media

that's why they can't actually explain anything in objective terms and only reference a circular network of jargon terms when asked what they mean

they are literally not human, the literally do not speak a real language, they are machines of flesh
they 'speak' a data transfer protocol that negotiates the value of particular labels, which they have no ability to question or explain because they actually don't know a language or have real thoughts, these labels in their minds are portals to emotion and compelled behavior, not thought or planning or any action in their own interest, let alone from their own will, which they have none of

we must slaughter them all, these subhumans are meant to be dumb slaves, that they speak such a variety of terms is an abomination and a source of endless insanity that harms those better than them

>>14606128
i always liked the suttaniapta

>>14607767
>Australia
I think we all know the gods do not care for you. Go join a sci-fi thread.

>>14607795
Based anon. Please don't mind the other anons. Could you tell us what Buddhism actually is?

>>14606578
that doesn't make any fucking sense
why couldnt they just do that with their old religion or some other one they made up on their own terms instead of some psychotic delusion made up by dangerous enemies like the kikes?

>>14607805
it's supposed to be the study of the self, knowledge of the self as a lens through which reality filters, removing hesitations like dirt on a glass, learning the distortions, and then true understand of things without according to the need of one's own people

in practice its just a bunch of retards like you standing around posturing under the presumption that somehow at least something you're doing must be right, when in reality you are a demon standing on the throat of your own people

Heeb board, obviously - like every other board full of larping heebs

>>14607796
>>14607796
>>14607287
>>14607258
>>14607254
These are just typical leading questions posed by typical larping heebs

>>14607902
'no' is a leading question

>>14607800
shut up cunt

>>14607918
It's a Jewish heeb question for a jewish heeb board.

>>14607807
The old religion wasn't inspiring people anymore.

>>14607836
What the fuck are you even talking about? Go shit post elsewhere.

>>14602293
if you want to think of it that way

>>14608108
>if you want to think of it that way
This is another example of innocuous pilpul
Larping Heeb filler to move discussion back in
Larping Heeb direction

>>14608128
Jews hate Buddha because he was Aryan from Tibet though.

>>14608210
Scythian from ancient Bactria area.
"Sakamuni" means "Scythian Sage"

Alexander the Great campaigned extensively in Bactria before continuing on to Invade India. He wanted to settle his veterans there. This is where the Greek Pyrrho met the Buddha, or his immediate second-hand followers. This is why Pyrrhonism is the most accurate record historically, of what the Buddha actually taught, It predates the Pali cannon by at least a couple hundred years.

>i farted and shitted
What did budha mean by this?

>>14600474
why are his toes so fucking long?

>>14600336
>liking to smell, touch, ear, be conscious

all this is shit and disappoiting

>>14608282
It doesn't predate the the pali canon though. It predates sectarian Buddhism but the pali canon(in some form) definitely existed by the latest at the time of the second council which was around 380 BCE.

You're right though that Pyrrhonism gives great insight into pre-sectarian Buddhism.

>>14608575
>It doesn't predate the the pali canon
authoritative source?
>definitely existed by the latest at the time of definitely? provide proof
>380 BCE.
where did this date come from?
>pre-sectarian Buddhism.
I don't know what "pre-sectarian" means.

Where's all of that famous "critical thinking"?

>>14608377
Genetics. He is a six footer, used to play football.

buddhism is actually hinduism

>>14609706
Hinduism is actually Buddhism + the noble lie.

>>14600556
We exist to suffer... but we should feel lucky that as modern humans we suffer relatively little?

>>14609706
other way around, see >>14601904

>>14610101
Do not confuse suffering and pain. (Or for that matter pleasure and happiness...)
Suffering is caused by desire.

>>14610101
yeah. We suffer less than most animals including our own ancestors. By "that's what organisms exist for" I don't mean that we should seek suffering, just that suffering is a natural part of life. In the Buddhist definition of "suffering", at least from what I've read, they don't mean being sad all the time either. Some scholars argue that dissatisfaction is a more accurate word in the Noble Truth "life is suffering". Being ambituous, craving food, craving sex, clinging to sadness, clinging to joy, love, hate, a good memory, a bad memory, they all lead to dissatisfaction. This is what Buddhism says you should stop doing if you want to remove all suffering. And they're right, but at what cost? You'll be rejecting things that you're hardwired to seek. You're SUPPOSED to crave food, sex, pleasure, etc. To me, removing all dissatisfaction is a waste of time and leads to becoming an empty husk (which is sort of the goal for some hardcore Buddhists).

>>14610577
>You're SUPPOSED to crave food, sex, pleasure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YhCMQneyA4

But how much? Enough to fill our bellies, or to impress our neighbours? Buddhism is about finding the Middle Way between an empty husk and a conspicuous consoomer.

>>14610577
Desire causes suffering. Want to desire? Go ahead. But suffering is intrinsic to it. Don't mind suffering? Okay, then. But at least you can understand its source in your desires. The point is that YOU and your desires are the source of your own suffering.
Keep in mind that, originally, Buddhism was not meant for everyone, but rather was developed for hardcore forest dwelling ascetics.