/lit/ - Literature

>>14576261
First for fantasy should have ended with Tolkien

Second for the consult did nothing wrong.

If you want an easy way to find out which books are good, I have a solution.

>straight white male authors only
>no women, jews, blacks, gays etc
>check review on amazon
>if 4.5+ stars, ignore it. it panders to lowest common denominator
>enter the reviews and type in the search key words
>sex, sexist, sexism, gay, lgbt, etc and see what people say about the book using those keywords
>"book is highly sexist against women!" good book
>"book goes against sexist tropes and empowers women!" bad book
>look through 2 and 3 star reviews, they were honest enough to not go full 5 star shill or 1 star shill usually
>if the book is part of a trilogy or longer series, do it for each book
>1980's and before tend to be less pozzed
>check authors social media for red flags like pronouns in bio, lgbt flags, current event virtue signaling one liners, telling others who they are voting for and who you should vote for, etc

I havent read a bad book so far.

Are you guys familiar with the Japanese anime and novel/lightnovel GATE Thus the JSDF Fought There?

>random gate appears in modern day tokyo
>roman style soldiers invade and slaughter a bunch of random civilians
>the random street police officers engage with their revolvers
>battle ensues in the streets
>JSDF (military) is deployed
>romans annihilated
>Japan sends the JSDF into the gate and they establish a base
>its a fantasy world with dragons elves etc
>tanks and jets and helicopters fight powerful mages and dragons
>soldiers gun down invaders by enemy kingdom
>get involved in local politics etc
>USA China etc all want in on the resources, Japan in precarious situation
>envoys from Earth and the other word travel to each side
>trade alliances form
>etc

Anyway its a unique concept ruined with MUH ANIME BIG TITS HAREM junk. My question is, is there anything like this concept that isnt shit Jap trash?

>>14576367
Yes, it's fucking hilarious, damn shame they toned down the war crime denial in the anime.

>tfw my magnum opus is painfully cartoony trash
>tfw it can't be YA/middlegrade because of the constant profanity.

I really should have stuck with the policy I used in my first book where I avoided swearing so at the very least I would be forced to use more creative profanity. My current quality sucks like there's no tomorrow

Any good military fantasy novels to read?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pc-ex32ZdA

>>14576367
Worm (the webnovel) has this as a major plot point but I wouldn't consider it appreciably better than >MUH ANIME BIG TITS HAREM

>>14576367
lol JSDF would get cucked hard by Romans

>>14576349
https://amazon.com/dp/B083FHRCPN
Does this fit your criteria?

>>14576438
>Young Adult Fantasy - not bad!
Oof, yikes.

>>14576438
>map
>immediately start sperging about geography
xD

>>14576438
If you spam it enough it's advertising for yourself and against the rules.

>>14576525

/sffg/, how do I distract myself from my apprehensions about my writing?

>>14576611
Try to internalize the simple fact that almost everyone who critiques writing is a pretentious retarded faggot and their elitist opinions usually aren't worth your time. This is triply true on /lit/.

>>14576611
internalize the fact that you will die and nothing matters

>>14576438
not being mean but it's legitimately one of the worst, most uninspired things I've ever read in my life, please stop posting

I am reading machine translated garbage
Please help me

>>14576705
I don't believe you, also no

>>14576438
This is actually really good.

>>14576732
thank you

>>14576708
Your post is very important to us. All anons are currently busy; please wait until one is available. There are twenty-three posts ahead of yours. Your (You) may be monitored for quality control and training purposes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg0FPP_K5IY

>>14576715
That's because you're a narcissist.

>>14576732
>>14576734
Sameposting

>>14576754
>That's because you're a narcissist.
ok dr phil, sorry I didn't take your fake criticism seriously
>Sameposting
>22:28:30
>22:28:56
guess somebody doesn't know how 4chan works

>>14576773
There are many ways to get around that.

>>14576783
hmm
>elaborate conspiracy theory
>someone disagrees with you
I wonder which it could be

>>14576754
Reddit spacing detected, consider lurking more before posting

>>14576261
Steampunk benefits from nuance and thrift.
Hodder helps his readers into the universe he creates with a few simple, well-employed elements.

>>14576794
Nope
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>someone is yelling at me in thread lol
Deal with it, Rosé Cryptofascist.

>>14576830
ok

>>14576830
>Cryptofascist
What

>>14576438
how much have you made so far, how many sales

I hope you fucking virgins are not reading any faggot jap trash light novels and are instead reading superior alpha chad cock xianxia literature.

You arent a virgin right? You do have sex right

>>14576873
Too busy rubbing my glabella and dealing with horrifying mysteries for sex.

Reading through the first book of Dune right now. I am at the part where Paul is about to destroy all the spice for the Guild. It has been a very phenomenal time so far reading this.

I enjoy Frank Herbert's style of writing to be perfectly honest.

>>14576969
also meant from the Guild, not for

>TQ
Steampunk is solid for "Teens that are cool enough to read YA" level territory and that's not really a bad thing.
I feel like a lot of works focus more playing on expectation and cliche rather than making something of their own.
The Strange Affair of Spring-Heeled Jack (I always get the name wrong, long winded as fuck.) is probably the one that stands out most to me, but it's like a solid "Yeah, it's good but not that great." kind of book.

>>14576969
It's great, personally I think Messiah is phenomenal and better than the first, but a lot of people seem to think it's weaker.

>>14576873
Based.
Xianxia and Wuxia are becoming more popular thankfully. Now I don't look like a fool for saying that I'm reading a Chinese Webnovel with 1000+ chapters.
Wu Dong Qian Kun for those wondering.

My main problem with steampunk is all the stuff that doesn't seem to be there for any reason except for aesthetics. Like, why are there cogs there?? You don't need cogs! it's frustrating

>>14577473
>messiah better than Dune

Are you me?

>>14576261
>What's your opinion on steampunk?
Nice aesthetic, have never read a good book featuring the setting.

>>14576438
>Dusty Ridgeman

sounds like the name of one of the cowboys at ram ranch.

>>14576261
>What's your opinion on steampunk?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFCuE5rHbPA

>>14577487
Steampunk is an almost entirely visual genre that's focused around art and cosplay instead of stories, might as well call it a medium instead.

Cyberpunk at least deals with stuff like "the alienation of technology", "transumanism" and punk themes in general, despite all the "woah cool trenchcoat" fans. Steam"punk" stories on the other hand mostly ignore anything bad about the 1800s to instead be about a bunch of rich assholes flying their airship around and shooting buzzword rays ("Madame dePomfery's Patented Atheric Q-Beam") at striking Irish factory workers or whatever, it's a genre well suited for idiots who don't understand how computers work and I find it infuriating that the "decolonializing fantasy writing" crowd hasn't turned their guns against it because it's literally dumbass white center liberals dressing up as British colonialists, and it absolutely deserves to be destroyed.

>>14577810
> shooting buzzword rays ("Madame dePomfery's Patented Atheric Q-Beam") at striking Irish factory workers or whatever
Is this really what your standard Steampunk story is about? I haven't ever read one because the entire concept seems too retarded to waste my time on.
>I find it infuriating that the "decolonializing fantasy writing" crowd hasn't turned their guns against it because it's literally dumbass white center liberals dressing up as British colonialists, and it absolutely deserves to be destroyed.
I'm guessing that Steampunk is too small for these people to care. If you're going to try to control genres in order to push dumbshit political messages, you go after the big stuff. Also, the crowd you're referring to isn't particularly thoughtful or intelligent.

>>14577810
I think what any paleo-future setting can offer that a historical setting can't is examining how people from that period react to technologies out of their time. Something like designer genes/genetic engineering would be very interesting to shove into a 19th century setting.

>>14577859
>Is this really what your standard Steampunk story is about? I haven't ever read one because the entire concept seems too retarded to waste my time on.

Mostly. There are a few authors like Gibson who've done stuff with a more thinkum-dinkum aspect but the rest of it is pretty much all just pulp with a heavy, heavy victoriana gloss.

>I'm guessing that Steampunk is too small for these people to care

Nah steampunk is fairly popular due to the visual aesthetic and lack of substance. Hollywood loves it. But despite being essentially white liberals cosplaying as Victorians with laser guns, the only reaction has been a few non-anglos in the fashion scene making their own "ricepunk" or "afrofunk" stuff that isn't really a reaction to anything, just steampunk with a dragon motif or west African tartan patterns on their clothes.

I think, if anything, the lack of substance and focus on visual works are responsible, you can't respond to something that has no message other than "WOW! COOL AIRSHIP!"

put the weekly read in the op from now on

>>14576438
can anyone post pdf?

>>14576793
You are too fucking new, nothing elaborate about that if you have more than one computing device (e.g. phone and PC).

Steampunk is gay
Im writing a scifi about galactic megacorps/noblehouses battling each other on a back water inhospitable resource rich planet with a very weak central goverment that does have some influence by its far away imperial backing and central banking scheme. AND ITS NOT DUNE

And there are also tens of millions of mulatto shudra caste labourers toiling under the earth in subtereanean mega cities that want to uprise and a cult-militant outlawed by the empire that seeks to exterminate them and some scattered tribes as well and basicly its not dune

This was very fun. What are some other Arthur C. Clarke books that are worth reading?

Seeing a lot of people bash Foundation (as in the series) on GR.
Not like half of the reviews but maybe a good 1/6 or 1/8 of the reviews I've seen say it's overrated.
Is it well founded or is it just fun to bash on a classic? Like if it's because it's popular whatever sure play on kind of deal, but is there something genuinely bad about it (outside of being old)?

Also, reading through Children of Dune and I have no idea how it's considered better than Messiah or the first. This feels like a slog. I don't care about the new characters at all so far.

>>14578667
I find it quite overrated. Both story and prose are quite boring and it doesn't have the wow factor it had 75 years ago. I would however still recommend people to read it because it's an important part of sci-fi history.

How's this? Should I just save time and watch the movie, or what?

>>14578667
How fucking hard is it understand that even if you like a book, you can call it overrated if it is literally among the most popular scifi books of all time.
And yes, it is overrated

Hi anons, long time no see
can anyone tell me if the following are out yet?
>ASOIAF 6
>the next Scott Lynch installment
>Kingkiller 3
I'm not Googling it, I'm too afraid.

>>14578901
Fortunately they are all still stuck in limbo.

>>14578932
Great, see you next year.

>>14578667
The whole of the Foundation series - and indeed every single thing I've read by Asimov - is extremely entertaining. All his stories have no filler and are incredibly plot twisty and he definitely keeps you guessing where he'll go next.

His stories are filled with wonder for what humankind can achieve and trepidation for what is to come. Simultaneously, they are also filled with sadness for what it means to lose everything you know and love. Sometimes things are quirky, sometimes stories are filled with dry humour and sometimes the tone is of resignation.

People say that Asimov can't write characters, and yet he created so many of my favourite characters, such as Daneel, the Mule, Seldon, Elijah and Cleon. Echoes of these characters then went onto inspire many of my other favourite characters.

He's an irreplaceable author in my mind and I wish he was still with us. I still wish that Foundation hadn't ended on a horrible, unresolved cliffhanger.

>>14578837
I mean that a lot of people on GR are just saying it sucks, not that it's their favourite or on their recommendations.

>>14578734
>>14578989
Good to know, keen on reading it after I finish Herbert's works.

>>14579013
>caring what some morons on goodreads are saying
Also
>not having read Dune yet

Might go pick up the new Gibson

I just barely managed to finish Neuromancer and have been stuck at count zero for too long.
the reason? I guess the reading isn't flowing, there's a lot of random jargon and pulling your vision in a thousand mini world-building stories while the main plot is uncleaar at 14%. or it's boring.
I don't completely understand why and I feel guilty about dropping a "masterpiece".
I wanted to get on and finish a damn book but the main reason that I finally decided on it was comparing it to a few cyberpunk books I liked such as Snow Crash, Hardwired and Takeshi Kovacs and realising they were much better and more interesting.

>>14579226
>feel guilty about dropping a "masterpiece"'
You shouldn't. That's simply peer pressure.

>>14578901
>Kingkiller 3
Around the heat death of the universe, give it or take a million years.

>>14579226
Count Zero's plotlines don't converge equally. The artist's story is basically separate to the hacker and bodyguard. If I recall, they are only linked at all by the fuckery of AIs and the corporate warfare raging between Maas and Hosaka, some of which comes into play in the artist's story.

But if you aren't feeling it, you should just stop. I absolutely loved Neuromancer so Count Zero was an easy read as well

>>14578901

I reckon just about everyone is going to die in The Winds of Winter besides Arya, last novel will be some stream of consciousness time and space thing with Bran as the single POV.

>>14579226
lame, Count Zero is my favourite one. I didn't feel like they were amazing works of literature though, just entertaining, so therte's no need to feel bad about not getting into it (except for the surety of the knowledge you now have that you have shit taste).

>>14576864
Seconding his. I'm curious to see how well small-time anons can do for research reasons.

>>14578642
City and the Stars/Against the Fall of Night

>>14579226
If you don't like Gibson's style, you don't like Gibson's style. No shame in it. All his books that I've read are written like that.

>>14577810
Because the sheer silliness of the visuals degrades its ability to effect us now. It's why Cybperpunk-/anti-corporate punk actually gets attacked - because it's real and is really happening vs. cog-foppery.

Also, it's fat dudes who can't grow beards running around in tacky tophats.
>>14578667
Fuck Good Reads - they don't know fuck about fuck. As elitist and annoying as /lit/ is, I trust their opinion infinitely more.

>>14578166
there's a shitty old typo-ridden review copy on sketchy piracy sites if you want to download it and roll the dice on getting malware. desu if you hit me up on discord I'd probably be willing to toss you a free pristine one.
>>14578399
>someone is going through the effort to do this
>this is way more likely than at least one person existing who disagrees with me
"Lithium is an effective treatment for schizophrenia, schizophrenia-like psychoses and schizoaffective psychoses."

>>14579811
are there good torrent sites for books/online courses on HOW to write speculative fiction?

I'm looking for all of those Masterclass/Coursera courses on how to do creative writing but FUCK paying ~4k to get a certificate in creative writing.

>>14576805
As soon as those books get to the second version of Burton, they really went downhill. The second to last was the worst of all.

>>14579839
I don't think so, or at least, I didn't use anything like this. In my experience most people who give you advice on "how to write" are completely asspulling based on their own subjective opinions and nothing else. They want to replace your voice with theirs. Courses on the subject aren't much better. It's the literary equivalent of "bro science" in fitness.
Instead of dumping 4K into getting a piece of paper that says you know how to write, I encourage you to just sit down every day and write at least 2000 words. Stare at the white screen until something comes to you. Share it with people. Listen to criticism, but don't automatically absorb it - again, people are usually full of shit (this goes for the positive feedback too). Instead, evaluate it on its own merits and, if appropriate, use it to improve your work.

Does publishing in a web serial format before editing and submitting your novel turn publishers off?

>>14579900
I'd love to but my schedule is fit to burst. I'm lucky if I can do an exericse or two and fill an A4 page of paper each day.

>>14579920
If you don't/won't/can't put time into something, you won't improve at it. That's just the way things are man.

>>14579925
So, I'm trying my damndest but I think I should just prioritize my masters/job before anything else.

Sad, but, kind of what I expected.

Thanks guys,

I entirely support the discord being the containment for this thread.

>>14576261
What a drab and uninteresting photo OP.

>>14580035
I'd support you being surgically castrated.

>>14580045
then why did you post a worse one?

>>14580045
a jezebelposter has no right to criticize anyone else's taste

We need attention grabbing images to cover for the frankly abysmal quality of the discourse here. It's all shitty fantasy.

>>14580059
Are you perchance a faggot?

>>14580065
>jezebelposter
That's a new one.

>>14580119
this is the sort of shit you'd see on a shitty sci fi book though

>>14580129
An image like that would be an improvement over your usual self-published book covers. Sci-fi or fantasy.

>>14579811
I'm not even that guy, just laughing at your newfaggotry. Anyways it takes just a few seconds more to open the same thread on your phone and write the post there. I've done that a few times (not on /lit/ though) and it really didn't take a lot of effort.

>>14580320
>>14578399
Sameposting

>>14579226
Count Zero was the same for me, I much preferred Neuromancer and MLO.

>>14578667
Asimov was a "ideas writer", everything was secondary to the big idea he was working with in a story and that style of writing doesn't really hold up any more, people expect better writing these days. Additionally he was so influential it's all been copied by other writers who've maybe done things better with whatever idea they were working from.

Black Company is also sort of in the same situation in the latter case, there are so many authors who were either influenced by Glen Cook or were directly copying him that somebody who started with say, Joe Abercrombie or another modern author will likely find things a bit trite and overdone since everybody else imitated it.

>>14580484
>people expect better writing these days

>>14577574
I was going to say just this. And it's an odd inversion -- usually the aesthetic seems to ride on the media, here it's the other way around.

>>14580484
>that style of writing doesn't really hold up any more, people expect better writing these days
go back r/fantasy

>>14580613
Sorry but I don't like sanderson or rothfuss.

Would you fellas mind recommending me some sci fi books/series? I just finished the Hyperion Cantos and really enjoyed it.

>>14578399
behold the signs of schizophrenia, everyone

>>14579413
good ;p

>>14580678
Blindsight, Foundation, Dune, Superluminary, Space Viking, Echopraxia.

>>14579013
Every book has people who hate it and people who love it

Where are my Malaz bros at?

How is Gormenghast? I am trying to read through modern fantasy and would like some recommendations? On a separate note, what is your opinion on Phantastes by George McDonald?

>>14580678
Revelation Space

>>14580922
Taking a break with shorter works before reading #9 and #10

>>14581123
Good but not really modern. I suggest Thief of Time for something more modern.

>>14580896
>>14581183
Thanks I'll check them out. I should have mentioned that I've already read Blindsight as well as Echopraxia

>>14576299
Consult are the good guys. Truth pill

>>14578667
I suspect the problem readers will have with Foundation, is they will hear its a seminal work of scifi and expect a tour de force a la LOTR. Instead they're confronted with dry, lengthy dialogues in which characters attempt to out-maneuver each other and impending threats. The Mule is a fascinating character though, and I would highly recommend reading Foundation if only for Foundation and Empire

>>14580329
No shit.
>>14580687
Non sequitur.

>>14581734
I guess everything must seem like a non sequitur when you are suffering from schizophrenia

>>14581679
Those are great images, had only seen the first one.

>>14581838
That set of images always gives me a very strong feeling of nostalgia or longing for somewhere I've never been. I just want to wander through the sectors of Trantor, go up to the towers, visit the gardens, all during the decline. The second is just post-apocalypse kino, and the third is probably my favorite of the three. It just looks so peaceful, the girl is cute, and the twisted towers of a bygone age add a nice contrast to the apparent pastoral life going on in their shadows.

>>14581183
Same. How long did it take you to finish Toll the Hounds?

>>14576393
Based. Loved this album when it came out. The Way of Kings by Brandon Sanderson features a military-heavy plotline

I finished Dune Messiah last night and couldn't help but notice that George Lucas copied Padme's pregnancy plotline from ROTS off of Chani's pregnancy almost beat for beat

>>14582135
You've read through both Dune and Dune Messiah and that's the first thing you've noticed that Lucas ripped off?

>>14582165
Not the first by a long shot, but it was the most surprising

>>14581679
I think Dune has a similar problem, in that people go in expecting Star Wars and instead they get Weird Hamlet.

/sffg/, The thing I'm writing right now is incredibly cringeworthy and I don't know how to make it any better. It's basically a light novel, and a bad one at that. I'm not even sure I can go comedic fantasy because I'm not funny enough to justify it. it sucks

>>14579847
How can one go wrong with a time twin in Victorian England?

>>14582922
Put in explicit sex scenes, and market it as a male power fantasy.

>>14582922
Have no fear, even if you make it better /sffg/ will still shit on literally anything you do because this place is filled with elitist spergs

>>14582967
I just care about whether I think it's good

To the arand fans in here.
Can you give me a family tree?
Apparently everyone is fucking their sister and nieces and in laws.

>>14582967
faire taire François

Good space adventure novels for starters?
>man on a spaceship driving through space and stars as well as visiting different planets
>witnessing exotic phenomenons on alien planets
>space guns
>space babes
>space magic
>blowing up some empires/evil lairs and shit

Any decent books with a focus on dwarves?

>>14583013
I don't speak faggot

>>14583030
Hyperion, the Culture series. When you're ready for grimdark, Revelation Space.

>>14583073
looks like you speak it just fine

>>14583108
ah yes the "I know you are but what am I" defense. don't you have some paint chips you should be eating?

>>14583119
I only eat the rose colored ones.

>>14583033
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6657006-the-dwarves

>>14583130
are you high rn be honest

>>14582967
Stop being salty about your book anon.

>>14583181
I haven't written a book. Take your meds

>>14583011
Quick and dirty version I think so far that's actually it for inter-family relations. Probably missed something but this is the most important stuff i think.

>>14583442
That took some effort.

>>14579226
It's the best book in the trilogy, but his main characters are rarely compelling. Bobby especially gets an anime plot for a life.

I'm having trouble believing my first novel was this bad before I edited it

>coronavirus shitting all over china
>2000 infected in a few days
>14 dead
>all a week before a long chinese new years with 800 million traveling chinese
>month long incubation
>already in japan, korea, england, america
>madagascar hasnt closed its sea and airports
hahahahahahahaha we death now

Any fun books about rampant holocaust BIOLOGICAL TERROR PLAGUE VIRAL death rape? Or just ludicrous amounts of death? Something where humans and science is getting BTFO

>>14583849
The Andromeda Strain is a classic and it's quite good. Probably less death than you'd like.

>>14581937
About 40 days. Didn't come close to my goodreads reading challenge because of the several Malazan books I read last year, and the podcasts I started to listen to.

>>14583849
Blood Music by Greg Bear.

>>14581873
Huh, reading this I just realised all three images are Trantor

>>14581777
You should visit a shrink, laddie.

>>14580922
Stuck halfway through Dust Of Dreams because the POV jumps around way too much, my favorite characters keep getting bent over the barrel, and I couldn't give a fuck about half of the other characters.

>>14578642
Rendezvous with Rama (don't read the sequels, though).

>>14583442
Having read most of the books, someone is going to fuck their sister.

>>14583849
If WWIII isn't going to kill us, it will be the weaponized flu. A lot of people in my town and work place are coughing, and we have a large amount of Chinese citizens.
If the end comes I have to lose my virginity to a qt asian gf, then cuddle afterwards while the nukes drop on us, and I pine over a lost singularity I never got to escape to.

>>14583442
>>14583011
I only read some of those books, but that looks about right.

I wanna fuck matures so bad. Books where matures get dicked by young studs?

>>14585050
Trysmoon saga

>>14584751

Siener van Rensburg prophecized (1907) utilization of bioweapons in africa that would wipe out negroes until roughly the equator.
Also prophecized blacks taking power in SA and stating that a literal race war would start at when blacks were migrating en masse to europe

>>14585050

>>14585059
Pol also prophesied that pol didn't do anything wrong, and weren't hypocrite racist.

>>14585050
There's a recommendation of exactly that in the mega.
>>14585057 mentioned the most notable one for sure.

Buuuuuut I do think the recommendations are fairly underdeveloped, I was searching for the same thing a while ago,
I just want a spoilt prince banging his court tutor, his father's advisor or some shit if it's fantasy, or some cougar looking for good genes in a post earth society.

>>14585050

>>14585072
>tfw I have to read non sffg books for my coomies
Sad. Why don't sff authors write more mature love interests? With the up tick in open mommy degenerates, authors could make serious bank if they write matures how Japan represents them. Smooth skin that has shiny parts at the knees and elbows. Just write supple matures, not nursing home raisin grannies.

>>14585111
>nutting

>wanting to put your body into a wall hitting, dried up, non fertile, wrinkly, expired, over used cunny
You fucks are really sick in here. Imagine wanting to fuck someone your mother's age, that is seriously fuck up.

>>14585086

Rensburg was advisor to the boer general command, you nigger

163rd for BIRDBOI

>>14585117
Short reason that doesn't make me sound like an incel; Low interest in the general public.
Real reason; A lot of proof readers are women, a lot of people that work as part of publishers are women, a lot of readers are women. It's kind of weird for women to read an older dude hitting on them sometimes if they come from a culture where the man is typically older than the woman in relationships. Or they see that it's a power fantasy, which let's be honest, it often is.
The reason why that's my reasoning is that it was the same way for me reading the Qur'an and the few Hindu Philosphy texts I've read coming from a HEAVY christian background. Not that any of it was bad or wrong, but that it was difficult to adjust. For a lot of people they give up trying to adjust and just shelve it.

>>14585156
You do know there are people in this thread that aren't 40, Old man.
I personally cap it at 35 as they still have a good 3-5 years of producing before going completely slam pig. Being 25 myself I find it reasonable to fantasive about being 14 again and wanting to fuck my teachers that were in their 30s.

>>14585203
Let me reword;

...It's kind of weird for women to read a YOUNGER dude hitting on them sometimes if they come from a culture...

Should've reread before posting.

nothing about you is reasonable

>>14585166
Hi to you too pol.

>>14585265
I get that it sounds /pol/ as fuck, but if you were to anonymously survey people asking for their gender and what they think of Mature Female / Younger male fiction, I would wager that a sizeable portion that identify as women/feminine would leave a negative association of the trope.

>>14576438
>he really DMCA'd mobilism
LOL
Can't DMCA Library Geneis though :)
http://gen.lib.rus.ec/fiction/63DED881A247E475489A235B7881B0E0

>>14583849
The White Plague by Herbert

>>14585190
>ynr birdboi

>>14585072
>>14585111

no non pedo older men with younger women? So odd that one is OK but not the other. How about white male with asian women?

I wish I was a better writer

>>14583902
Fantastic film too.

>>14584195
schizo gets called schizo, thinks he can somehow duck it by calling the other guy crazy. gl with that
>>14585688
absolutely

>>14583849
First half of The Stand. Total breakdown of society as a 90 something percent fatal artificial plague ravages the globe.

Is there anything as good as The Forever War

>>14585762
>king
also
>first half
since its king I assume the second half is shit and doesnt resolve anything?

>>14585775
avenger infinity war

>>14585527
>going to sketchy russian warez site for an old typo-ridden review copy of the book
>risk getting a file that has been packed with malware
>when you could just ask me for a copy for free
Genius level play desu

>>14585777
The second half is about the survivors having a good vs evil showdown between two towns that is resolved via a deus ex machina on the last few pages, so yes. But the first half is amazing.

>>14585050
>>14585092
read the books of Kathy Andrews, not sff tho

>>14585695
Get help, you poor man.

>>14576438
Picked this up after seeing it posted the other day. Starts off slow, but gets really good in the middle. Your action scenes are actually some of the best that I've read. They're stronger than your dialogue, but this is mainly because you don't have enough dialogue. Are you going to write a sequel or is this standalone?

>>14585111
why the fuck does some self published weeb bait appear before nabokov?

>>14584111
All roads lead to Trantor

Can someone recommend a sci-fi book where magic is "science"? I love that kind of stuff.

>>14586125
ninefox gambit, atrocity archive

>>14586125
the fuck do you mean? people think laser guns are magic or magic is governed by a rigidly defined set of rules?

>>14586148
the second one, especially stories where actual magic is discovered by modern scientists and they try to explain it away as if it were physics or chemistry.

>>14586159
so it is physics or chemistry?

Just finished Dune, i have the books up to God Emperor.
Should i go straight into Messiah or read something else? I don't plan on binging the series right now

>>14586047
>Your action scenes are actually some of the best that I've read.
Hey, thanks.
>you don't have enough dialogue.
Agreed. This is something I am working on improving in my next book. It's weird how writing dialogue seems to take forever, and drag on and on and on, but then when someone reads through it it seems short.
>Are you going to write a sequel or is this standalone?
The sequel is the next book I'll be publishing.

>>14586125
I just picked Broken Earth. It's actually fucking decent, hell it's better than most things I have read recently mostly because it has the same themes as Shin Sekai Yori which is one of my favorite anime of all time. The magic -is- a form of science, as it people study and try to actively control it even if it's very strong. There are clear barriers to the magic and even the in-universe school of mages try to solve the issues regarding their own powers.

Actually anyone else have some recommendations with similar things in it? Very distant future indistinguishable from medieval times but with clear indication of technology past and new, very powerful magic which is precariously controlled, very oppressive governments but only because said magic is too strong, and any 1 unstable individual can effectively destroy the whole world, things like that.

Heretic CHADS where you at.

>>14578667
Children IS a slog of slogs. It's personally my lowest rated Dune book but that's not saying much, all Dune books written by Frank are phenomenal.
Foundation is really a robot work written by a robot for robots. It's full of nerdy shit that has absolutely no appeal to the masses of readers. SF aficionados will enjoy Foundation but normies will see it as dull and lengthy.

>>14576611
Read your stuff aloud. When you can do that without cringing, it means you're achieved your final form and it's ready.
Write and repeat until book is finished.

But always make sure to reread your previously written parts. It almost always happens that I write for weeks at a time, and when i go back it's barely a 5 minute read. Writing feels a lot longer than it actually is, so make sure to read it aloud. It's really easy to read tens of pages in a matter of minutes when you read silently.

>>14583849
it's funny how zoom-zooms forget about the ebola meme, or h1n1, or bird flue, or mad-cow disease

>>14586517
>The sequel is the next book I'll be publishing
Good, when it's out I will pick it up too. Have you actually started writing it? How much planning have you done, or are you just bsing it as you go?

>>14583849
>Wuhan china just got quarantined, a city of 11 million people
>hospitals ran out of beds
>are turning people away
>people told to self quarantine
>airport closes in 5 hours
>highways closed

Any books about entire cities being quarantined and the ensuing chaos? Doesnt need to be quarantine, can be lockdowns for any reason.

0% chance of ever catching any sort of memeplague
just another benefit of being a NEETchad

>>14586815
>11 million
>not even chinas top 5 populated cities
Thats bigger than Los Angeles and New York combined almost.

>>14586815
The Plague by Camus. Haven't read it, but it partially inspired my favorite Yugoslav kino, Variola Vera (which is based on real events)

>>14586730
>Have you actually started writing it?
Yes, I'm at 21000 words and have been averaging 2K words/day for the last week or so. Hoping I can keep this pace up. The last book was ~65K words but I expect this one to be longer if I put in everything that I have in mind.
>How much planning have you done, or are you just bsing it as you go?
A little of both. I have a sort of bible of lore about the world - locations, how magic works behind the scenes, and most importantly the broad strokes of how the overall plot will go - but I often find myself getting ideas and adding sections and concepts as I write. I don't deviate much from the overall meta-plan, though.

/sffg/ how do i find the courage to continue when I know my writing is irredeemable?

i cant keep hitting this wall

>>14587095
sell it as YA then

>>14587095
At least you’re writing.

I am a worthless consumer who produces nothing.

>>14587206
You are also a follower of the Cult of Productivity.

>>14576261
>What's your opinion on steampunk?
Not a fan of it overall but I have read books that used it well
Bullet Catcher's Daughter was one of my favourite reads of last year and that is steampunk set.
Feel like the trick is to add stuff to your setting that is interesting outside of the steampunk stuff, i.e. political experiments

Thoughts on harry potter?

>>14587615
Never read it.

>>14587615
Good kid's books for the first 3 (maybe even 4), bloated proto-YA garbage that ruined an entire generation of women after that. Rowling herself is cringe, yet redpilled.

>>14587615
Only case where I feel the films are better than the books.

>>14587632
How is Rowling redpilled? Unless her redpill goes for levels unknown, and all the "X is black, Y is a jew, Z is gay" is a massive machination in order to ruse the plebs.
Kinda like the whole Yes Chad meme. Someone calls you a something, you just go Yes, I am a something, there a problem with that? Same with her, people twist their nipples to find "holes" in her books
>why there are no jews in Harry Potter?
>there is actually Anthony Goldstein, Hufflepuf
And just hand waves them around.

Good god, is Rowling the truest redpill of all? Does she play their game to spite them? Are the levels going so deep?

>>14587735
Hasn't bowed down to the tranny mafia.

>>14587206
>produce
Producing is transforming matter and energy into other forms of matter and energy, always at a net loss because neither can be converted 100% without leaking.


Guess what. You're not required to produce anything, there's no universal imperative for production, and as a human you can go against your biological ones. As a matter of fact, gong against your biological imperatives is what makes you human in the first place, else you're nothing but another biological automata. An animal.

>>14587748
Humans are automata.

>>14587759
The fact that fasing and suicide and sometimes love exists (all of which are done on a sacrifice of the self) is attesting to humans not being automata slaves to their senses and chemical triggers.

does anyone have any accelerationism SF recs?

>>14587778
Suicide is an attempt to buoy the tribe by eliminating those who perceive themselves as useless. One of the highest risk factors for suicide is thinking that one is a burden on others.

>>14587785
I woud say that it depends on what you mean by "accelerationism ", since the term has various meanings now, but I wouldn't have any recs for any of its meanings.

>>14587814
mainly looking for stuff like accelerando or snowcrash, but more nick landian

>>14587615
the books were amazing, the movies not so much. Rowling was not a perfect person, and her continued mismanagement of the franchise is a downer, but to call her anything other than an engaging author is frankly malignantly contrarian

>>14587790
>intentionally, coldly and deliberately ignoring the other two
Love IS sacrifice. It's perhaps the surest indication that humanity is not a mere animal, but is imbued with an essence that is perhaps not of this world. Love is unnatural and not part of the animal kingdom. There is not a single example of love in animals. Your dog only likes your food, comfort and shelter.

>>14587864
lolwut, animals often sacrifice themselves to save their children. If that isn't love, what is?

>>14587882
A biological imperative to ensure the survival of the species. The young and fertile before the old and frail. And animals don't sacrifice themselves to save their cubs. That's an idiotic misunderstanding. Animals put themselves in the harm's way for the survival of the cubs. It only just so happens that the harm killing the animal is usually a hairless monkey operating metal and plastic machinery. A bear is not actually going to fucking die if another animal is attacking their cubs. Another animal will, in fact, not attack a bear's cubs, as an example.
And most of all, an animal will NOT put itself in harm's way for another animal that is not a cub. Herds of antelopes leave their fucking sick and old to be casually picked by lions and hyenas, but will fight for their lives and, for a short period, their cub's lives. And an animal will NOT stick by a cub's side indefinitely, lie a human mother would or could or maybe even should.

>>14587856
I will come right out and say she does not deserve the literary success that she has. Engaging? Maybe the first one, I guess. But not enough to warrant being fucking famous. Those books are basically toilet paper compared to other books made by people who died in obscurity (Confederacy of Dunces comes to mind).

>>14576349

Based. But also add "rape" and "strong female character" to the search key words

>>14587932
Hopefully one day you'll exit from your narcissistic stupor of anthropism and realize the truth.

>>14587963
3 posts in and you're already debasing yourself with ad hominems.

>>14578989
that feeling when you finish foundation and empire for the first time

>>14587959
>and ye, I was curious
HAAARRKK

>>14587735
Seamus is a kid who likes to blow things up
Goblins are all greedy jews
All the Indian girls are named after street food
The black kid cucks the protagonist

It’s all stereotypes

>>14586254
Messiah is shorter, if anything Children of Dune is the big stopgap, I dropped the series halfway during my first Dune readthrough (I was only in highschool at the time and ended up reading the whole series later on in life.)

I'm re-reading Journey to the Center of the Earth and having a pretty good time. Still have to finish The Pliocene Exile and Donaldson's newest one, then off to finish my re-read of HDM.

>>14587959
Yeah i'm going to need a source. Raping 400+ young girls is an impressive feat.

>>14587785
Lord of Light

What is a wild book to read when you're high?

Are the Thomas covenant books good? I've heard conflicting things.

>>14588983
Absolutely but keep in mind that as the series goes on the emphasis turns more towards the inner emotional journey of the characters rather than the utterly fantastic lore. Most people seem to not understand this about the series. If it clicks with you though it's an amazing series that you can actually take away something worthwhile from.
If you want something more straight forward, darker, and sci-fi I would also recommend the Gap Cycle as well. His newest series The Great God's War isn't too shabby either.

>>14585620
>no non pedo older men with younger women
You mean like every romantic fantasy e every written?

>>14586062
Because nabokov isn't sffg?

>>14586125
I read a book where they said the strange quark is the magic particle, and people manipulated that to do their shit.

>>14588127
not to mention how much the house elves love being enslaved, to the point that Hermione was an idiot for trying to help them

>>14586693
>heheh we dodged apocalypse the last times guise, we will do it again, r-right?

>>14583849
>All the megacities just straight up die out from infection while rural communities are untouched

>>14589142
>oxycotin runs out after the first week

>>14589121
>>14589142
for fuck's sake, it's got less than a 1% fatality rate. Most flu seasons are worse than that

I wish I had the ability to get better at writing through practice

>>14589221
Yep, There's also already a ongoing "double barrel" flu season this year where both Influenza A and Influenza B have popped up, the usual annual vaccination is only like 39% effective against one of them and a bunch of kids (<50) and old people (few thousand) have already died from related complications in the US. And coronavirus is literally just SARS again. You're only gonna die if you have a compromised immune system or are old.

the first horseman is sending plagues to wipe out the boomers before the 2020 election.

>>14587095
if you dont think it is worth finishing then dont. think of a new story to tell that is and you will always find a way around the walls

>>14576261
Steampunk has only ever been good in the following multimedia art works:
>Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura
>Machinarium
>Bas-Lag trilogy
>Howl's Moving Castle (2004 film)
Which is a shame because I love the concept of the genre.

>>14589142
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/out-here-its-just-me/2019/09/28/fa1df9b6-deef-11e9-be96-6adb81821e90_story.html
> The federal government now designates nearly 80 percent of rural America as “medically underserved.” It is home to 20 percent of the U.S. population but fewer than 10 percent of its doctors, and that ratio is worsening each year because of what health experts refer to as “the gray wave.” Rural doctors are three years older than urban doctors on average, with half over 50 and more than a quarter beyond 60. Health officials predict the number of rural doctors will decline by 23 percent over the next decade as the number of urban doctors remains flat.

https://stories.usatodaynetwork.com/ruralhospitals/financialtroubles/
>Rural America is in the midst of a deep and prolonged crisis that resulted in 106 hospital closures since 2010. Nearly 700 more are on shaky ground, and nearly 200 are on the verge of collapse right now, according to reports from Massachusetts consulting firm iVantage Health Analytics and the Sheps Center for Health Services Research at the University of North Carolina in Chapel Hill. Hospitals faring the worst are mainly in states that refused to expand Medicaid. Those states account for 77 of the 106 closures over the past decade.

>>14589310
hospitals won't save you hivescum

>>14588825
here you go bro
https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/0648572919/ref=acr_dp_hist_1?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=one_star&reviewerType=all_reviews#reviews-filter-bar

I wonder if my book will ever be remotely readable, or if it will go through the whole editing process without being rendered bearable

>>14587932
Sacrificing yourself for elderly is just a bug in the system, same as a lioness caring for an orphaned antelope.

How much does Dragonlance:Legends spoil/reference previous Dragonlance books? Is it just the same setting or does it have recurring characters and mentions events as well?

Anything where main protag has nice breasts or body? And they come into play one way or another?

>>14589497
everything is readable if it is interesting

>>14589596
right now it's just cringeworthy

>>14589604
what percentage of what number of words is cringe?

>>14576261
Are there any soft sci fi books with a Battle Royale theme-like theme? (Not counting The Hunger Games)

>>14589749
Red Rising trilogy

>>14589585
Yes it's a direct sequel

>>14576261
people who are into steampunk are the gayest folks in all of nerddom, which puts them in the running for the gayest people on earth

>>14589588
Somebody answer this man

>>14587615
"No!"

>>14589588
Wizard and Glass

>>14576261
How do you fix the steampunk genre?

>>14585775

/Plebfiltered/

>>14589968
dark tower book 4?

>>14585775
Starship Troopers

>>14577599

... fucking ram ranch

>>14589858

Steampunk is more pozzed than ram ranch

>>14590046
Yes

>>14589971
Books of Babel, Bas Lag, Powder Mage, all are some highly rated steampunk

>>14590065
I dont recall busty women

>>14590098
>only big breasts can be nice

>>14590130
Oh, that's neat. I didn't know it was possible to do that with the filenames. Having them be emoticons.

>>14589535
And isn't it proof of love being unnatural? A bug in the system or however you want to call it is clearly not intended by nature, yet it occurs in practically every human. Like a bug in a program that's clearly not intended by the developer.
Doesn't it seem like humans are inherently different from every other animal? Sacrificing one's resources for the benefit of another:
Roads
Labor
Medicine

No other animal has any of these. I don't even know what you're arguing.

>>14590175
That has nothing to do with not being automata.

>arguing about free will

>>14590067
Powder mage isn't steampunk

China just quarantined their 2nd city. Hope you faggots are reading your pandemic outbreak books.

>>14590208
victorian fantasy is steampunk

What epub resources do you use to download your books /sffg/?

>>14590452

>>14590452
myanonamouse

libgen/piratebay for shit I can't find there. Usually works out.

>>14576261
Any scifi for our antiglobalization times?

How much of our twentyteens comes from scifi?

How much scifi will come out of our twentyteens?

>>14587959
>>14589364
>unironically reading some Youtube personality's self published grimdark

>>14590550
4chan(nel) is a globalist website.

>>14590189
It has, because as per it's own name, an automata is something that either does something automatically or it automatically reacts to stimuli. Animal scared, animal run. Animal hungry, animal eat.
But human scared? Human can run, or maybe he won't run. Maybe he'll pray to their God. Maybe hell call for help. Maybe he'll just laugh it off.
Human hungry? Maybe human eat or maybe human fast. Maybe human fast so much that human dies. No animal can and will ever willingly fast, when there is food readily available. No animal would willingly commit self sacrifice for an ideal or freedom or whatever.

>>14590175
It's only a proof that leaving beings are very imperfect automata.

>>14590644
This variety of reactions is just another tactic that makes sure that the whole species survive.

>>14590697
How is a monk fasting and meditating until he turns like a dry apricot a tactic for the survival of the species? Are you being daft on purpose?

>>14590697
>>14590644
>>14590189
>>14587932
>>14587882
What can I do to wipe out the human species?

Need books where people use magic to build stuff.
Basically I want Daniel Black minus the smut.

Page 6.
I guess we were really filled with rebbit discord using fucbois after the original users left. Now that the discord is stable, those rebbit fags have left too, so they can show their faces on camera.
Sffg is dead.

>>14590807
I want this, with smut, that is not Daniel Black to be quite honest.


Speaking of, what are some decent to good /sffg/ related works with a female protag with a touch of smut that isn't "The Spanish Cougar and the Deplodicus" level shit?

>>14591066
>I want this, with smut, that is not Daniel Black to be quite honest
That makes no sense.
Also nice trap. I would fuck him if he hid the dick. He really looks like a cute gril, and I would fuck anything cute.

>>14591049
finally i will have peace

>>14576873
>You will never write the first successful and popular Western cultivator story

>>14576261

>>14591753
Yeah you missed out on writing cradle 3 years ago.

>>14591530
The first line of that post was just a dick around, the second part was the real question, anon.

>Want recommendations for books about history
>/lit/ sticky says go to /his/ for history
>/his/ stick says go to /lit/ for literature
So which one am I supposed to go to?

>>14592624
There are several history rec charts here, if you haven't already looked at it:
https://mega.nz/#F!JrhSyY6S!7qmTPol52TnmpFOdbag7RQ

>>14592624
You are on /sfffg/ so here:
Read Forget the Alamo, about a guy who changes Texas history by travelling back in time into the body of a general who died in the Alamo. Six books, surprisingly fun.

As long as there's at least one post every few hours to keep the thread alive, that's all that matters. Survival above all else.

>>14583849

nearly a million people die of influenza every year.

If I just wanna write sci-fi fantasy as a hobby and not for any particular audience with the intention of putting it online for free for people to read if they want, would it be really bad taste to include /d/ tier sex scenes?

>>14592980
If you include those, you'll probably have to include it on an 18+ only website.

>>14592980

>would it be really bad taste to include /d/ tier sex scenes?

Yes, because you would be merely dwelling on your basest desires and open lusts which, beyond the negative impacts on personal soul, spirit and wellbeing, and the inhibitory effect on creativity, it is ultimately... pointless

>>14592978
They sound like faggots

>>14593019
I have two characters who are very hedonistic, one is basically a coomer and has the physical appearance of an incubus that has become so addicted to sex that he is part of a hellish plane where it’s just masses of people who are transformed like him and just have sex endlessly, losing their humanity.

The protagonist has some baggage has frequently asks him to have sex during downtime.

The character arc is that the incubus slowly over time transforms back into a human form and regains his full humanity, and actually turns the protagonist down for sex, and ultimately he becomes an authority figure in a theocracy.

The protagonist is left thinking on what they’re running from, and also regains their humanity because of it.

Later on the incubus character finds his previous plane and in an effort to cover up his shameful past, tries to silently massacre the rest of the transformer humans who just have endless orgies.

The protagonist however intercepts him and also helps him regain some humanity when they convince him that these other people can be saved and that he was one of them, and that having a shameful past is nothing to be ashamed of.

It’s not just mindless coomer bait. I want to express the tiredness of having frequent sex and what the price of it is. And maybe by the end a reader will feel more averse to it eve if it’s laid out in front of them to tempt them, the same growth as the characters experience.

>>14590745
This tactic is essentially just bruteforcing the correct response, so of course it's nowhere near perfect in any situation, but at the same time it also ensures that in any situation at least some specimens will make the correct decision.

Discord mod is a fag

>>14593402
'oh no i can't spam nominate, woe is me'

>>14593440
Rope

NEW THREAD
>>14593603
NEW THREAD