/lit/ - Literature

Shameless bump.

Benedict XVI's "Jesus of Nazareth" book series. There are three books. Read them all. They're fucking incredible, brilliant theology that is totally accessible to the average person. And if the Catholic Church can produce something like these, why CAN'T they be the One True Church?

>>14570304
Start reading the Church Fathers. Jimmy Atkins from Catholic Answers has a great intro book on them, and all their works can be found for free online. I don't know how (intellectually honest) prots still exist when the Church has clearly always been very Catholic. For someone contemporary I'd read Peter Kreeft's books and watch videos of his talks on youtube. Enjoy your journey home brother.

>>14570394
Thanks, they look comfy. Just purchased the first.
>>14570445
Just bought Atkins book. I'll be watching Kreeft's videos.
What is your big one or two contentions with Prots? (in as much detail as you're willing)

OP, have you been to a Catholic parish church yet? They can give you classes on Catholicism, which you will have to complete anyway to become initiated. Find a church you like and go to mass sometime. God bless.

>>14570304
>I'm a protestant, though I'm starting to realize all the second-hand dirt I've been told about Catholics have been straw man arguments.
Kek, yes.

>The more I read about Catholicism, the more rational it seems. For instance, Sola Scriptura seems dumb.
Well I mean yeah, there's a reason that shit never came up among the Apostles, or the Desert Fathers, or...
(The reason is that it is dumb.)

>So ... are there any books you can point me to that would Cath-pill any rational reader?
This kind of became a meme on this board awhile back but I would recommend a deep dive in Chesterton, who was Anglican and converted to Catholic Orthodoxy later in life, so a fairly ananlogous situation to yours. Read his apologia, but don't JUST read that; also catch The Man Who Was Thursday, his autobio, and (importantly!) his essays, which are brilliant and show many applications of his mindset to normal, everyday stuff that isn't theology.

>>14570643
Isn't the history of the Catholic Church one big prot-pill though? Hardly seems like it's been steered by the Lord's hand...

>>14570652
>Isn't the history of the Catholic Church one big prot-pill though?
Not really. I have no intention of denying that the history of the Church is full of embarrassing gaffes and failures – strange otherwise, since man is fallible – but for the most part, they have very little to do with Catholic theology and everything to do with the Church obtaining temporal power, which is a lure to villains everywhere, of course.

The Renaissance Papacy is basically inexcusable, but that's because the people running it were vile men, not because there's something wrong with the faith, so Luther's attempt to fix it with theology was ridiculous. (Also, it was supported by other lords who didn't want to have to be answerable to the Church in any way, shape, or form, which is obviously not an improvement on even a weakened, corrupt Church, and you can see the disastrous consequences all around you.)

>>14570652
The histories of protestant churches are even worse. But the Catholic Church’s history is the improbable victory of doctrine and church over heresies and secular power. The fact that the Church was never wiped out by angry secular rulers, or resisted perversion by Gnostics for almost 2,000 years looks like an incredible miracle. Church doctrine even gets miraculously preserved in modern times- like how the Catholic Church is the last Christian church to still condemn birth control and IVF, all because Pope Paul VI had the inspiration to rebuke the majority ruling of a vatican committee. And Pope Francis affirmed this decision. I know pride is a sin, I’m sorry but- I’m so proud of my church. Eastern Orthodox are full of shit when the claim to sooooooo traditional. Rome defends the ancient teachings much better than they do. And always has. Rome has never cucked to a single secular ruler, but every Eastern Patriarch is in the pocket of some despot or under shariah.

>>14570304
http://archive.is/c8h04#selection-1713.0-1688.12
Great book recs there, I'm the guy who made the autistically long post.
Kreeft, Feser, all the contemporary greats

>>14570711
based non-bitter person arguing civilly for the catholic church as contrasted with orthodox.

>>14570304

Take the KJV pill. Anglican Church was originally Catholic, but removed the manipulating by the Roman Empire and the eternally corrupt Vatican.
Henry the VIII was not a protestant.\

>>14570711
>like how the Catholic Church is the last Christian church to still condemn birth control and IVF
I don't think this is true anon. There are other Christians that do not support It either

i can no longer stand going to Mass. i fucking hate it. i guess i'll try going to a latin Mass, but if i don't like it i'll probably go to hell.

>>14570943
What’s wrong with your mass?

>>14570959
idk it just sucks. i really don't like catholics or the catholic church or being catholic. and being alone in this piece of shit world just makes it a million times harder. i've honestly never been as lost as i am right now and i've been in some dark fucking places mentally. i have no idea what to do and i'm on the verge of doing something crazy

>>14570304
quick, before it's too late

>>14570975
you sound like you don’t really believe and are just a really mad secular person, I’m sorry for you anon
when I go to mass, it’s often the only thing that makes me enjoy being alive that week. I would cry every time I went just from how it makes me feel. The community, seeing families worship together and be happy, seeing single people go who aren’t trying to impress anyone else, seeing the disabled go when it’s hard for them to go anywhere
it’s great, and I think if you looked a little harder, even if you’re secular you could find something about it that really makes you happy.

>>14570992
no, i really do believe, thats why i can't just leave and go be a heathen. i had panic attacks every time in the beginning, but i still went, and after two years almost, not a single person besides the priest has even said hi to me. half of them look at me like i'm a criminal or something.

>>14570304
>Catholicism
>not Christian Gnosticism

I pity you, brother. Catholicism and Protestantism are two sides of the same coin. The truth is that both of them are far off from the spirit of original Christianity. When it comes to mass religion, Orthodoxy is the closest thing it gets to the origins. What I recommend though, is avoiding all mass religion. Anything massively scaled is inherently corrupted. If it's for the masses, it's destined to be diluted. Christianity is and always will be for a small few, a chosen group of special people, who likely would be considered outcasts in most churches. Don't look to mass religion, brother.

>>14571058
i feel like i've read this exact post before.

>>14571037
Just stop going man

You know you don't belong there and it isn't really real

>>14571116
a lot of times, i wish it weren't all real and that i could just blow my brains out and slip into oblivion. it is real though.

>>14570883
>Henry the VIII literally created his own branch of Protestantism because he wanted to COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

>>14571080
Pray daily for the Paraclete to intercede on your behalf and bring you Sofia's warm embrace. Wisdom comes through the Advocate.

I think anyone who is sincere would at this point be disgusted with Catholicism and Protestantism, both of which have sold out, as was planned from the beginning. They served as vehicles for the propagation of the teachings, without themselves embodying those teachings.

>"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."
Do not look to any religion scaled to the masses unless you want to hear "depart from me" when the history-ending day comes.

>"For many are called, but few are chosen."
The Church as a vehicle for propagation; European imperialism as a radical invitation to Christ. How few among the billions are chosen? First everyone had to hear the Gospels, but who listened? Do not look to the masses unless you enjoy the sight of sickness and evil. Look to Christ and the Paraclete. Christianity is personal and for a small few capable of it. Churches were and are still mere tools, but they don't carry the spirit of original Christianity, something which can be found only through rigorous research into the first two or three centuries of Christianity (learn Greek and Coptic; if a text wasn't written in those languages, you can ignore it; if it was written in Latin, you should know it's full of lies; one must imagine Satan speaking Latin).

>>14571140
>Christianity is personal and for a small few capable of it. Churches were and are still mere tools,
probably semi-true, but you still have to participate because thems the rules

>>14570304

protestant like to shit on catholic despite them being here far longer than them.

>>14571151
>but you still have to participate because thems the rules
Wrong. Jesus wasn't Catholic and anytime he stepped foot in a church he was nearly stoned to death for his teachings. Catholicism was a patch-work experiment to scale Christianity to the Roman plebeian masses, it was a dilution and destruction of Christ's teachings and it relied heavily on the Jewish social foundation of the Old Testament in order to make a socially acceptable religion for the masses. Catholics re-judaicized Christianity, which was hellenic in spirit. How many churches these days would disgust Christ? I reckon the vast majority. It's better to avoid them unless you find one that is truly special.

>>14571180
>Catholics re-judaicized Christianity, which was hellenic in spirit.
>this is what Gnostics really believe

>>14571058
I feel like I've written this post before.

>>14571190
Lazy post. If you want to refute what I said, go ahead and give proof instead of communicating in lazy /lit/ meme-speak.

You should learn about original Christianity. You should also study Greek and compare the writings of John and Paul to the prominent Greek philosophers at the time. You should also look at the development of the Christian canon and see how it was judaicized via Catholicism. The first Christian canon excluded all texts from the Old Testament, which was appropriate. Like Latin, any text written in Hebrew is intermingled heavily with falsehood, just by virtue of the linguistic tool employed. Satan mastered Hebrew and Latin; but Greek was always elusive to him. LEARN GREEK.

>>14571210
>The first Christian canon excluded all texts from the Old Testament, which was appropriate.

Every Church Father, east or west, greek or latin, would recoil at this suggestion. You are talking like a Gnostic heretic.

>>14570883
>unironically defending anglicanism
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>14571140
>Pray daily for the Paraclete to intercede on your behalf and bring you Sofia's warm embrace. Wisdom comes through the Advocate
Cringe

>>14571257
Well, several of the earliest Biblical canons, when Christianity was at its purest, weren't too favorable to the Hebrew Bible and saw fit to exclude it, along with a lot of what is in the New Testament today as well. Literally just learn about the history of Christianity and see how much damage was done by Catholicism.

Catholics are heretics to Christ.

>>14571210
>see how it was judaicized via Catholicism
Larp

>>14571276
>he hasn't read the Book of John and therefore doesn't know about the Paraclete as our guide in pursuit of the truth
Hm, you should read the Book of John.

"[16] And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever. [17] The spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, nor knoweth him: but you shall know him; because he shall abide with you, and shall be in you."

The Paraclete is the way Christ guides us to the truth and prevents us from being orphans on earth after his departure.

>>14571257
>You are talking like a Gnostic heretic.
That's because that's literally what he is. Or, more likely given where we are, what he's larping as.

>>14571287
>>14571290
It's a sign of your own insincerity that you project it onto others. I hope you're able to feel confident in your own beliefs someday so that you can stop projecting your intellectual insecurity onto others online.

>>14570977
>NOOOO YOU CANNOT DEVOTE YOUR LIFE TO ANY PRINCIPLES THAT ARE NOT CONSPICUOUSLY REVOLUTIONARY LIKE CATHOLICISM, THAT'S REACTIONARY!
look up Dorothy Day Simone Weil and Jacques Ellul, brainlet
>Satan was the first revolutionary
this sounds like something written by an angsty 14yo high schooler how can bakuninists be taken seriously?

>>14571302
>how can bakuninists be taken seriously?
Science has yet to discover a way. Nobody does take them seriously, Anon.

The catholic church took den of vipers literally

>>14571140
>Pray daily for the Paraclete to intercede on your behalf
Whom should I pray to for that?

>>14571386
Personally I pray to Christ exclusively. I don't worship Yahweh and don't consider Yahweh the Father; the fact that Catholics and Protestants pray to Yahweh and think he's the Father is proof that they don't understand Christ.

>>14571404
How do you reconcile the fact that Christ cemented his truth by fulfilling the prophecies of the Old Testament? Paul also uses the Old Testament multiple times to clarify the mission of Christ and it’s completion. If the New Testament fulfils the Old Testament, how can you deny that truth is in the Old Testament? Even if you had to say that that truth is in a rudimentary form not yet perceived exactly for what it is, how can you deny that it yet serves as a foundation for Christ? I’m curious as to how some gnostics deny the Old Testament and only accept the New Testament, when Christ and the New Testament do affirm the old laws, though in their fulfilment by Christ but not in the laws themselves. What do you think? I’d greatly appreciate your response.

>>14571404
So I should pray to Christ for the Paraclete to also pray to Christ?... Why not just pray to Christ directly?

>>14571442
>If the New Testament fulfils the Old Testament
Nor him, but it doesn't. I've come to the conclusion that any honest Christian and Jew sees this and only morons with an agenda suggest that the Old Testament prophesized Jesus Christ in any way.

>>14571442
>kosher is an ETERNAL covenant established at Mt. Sinai
>no bro just kidding you can eat pig now
>do affirm the old laws
lmao. it's blatant to anyone who has the eyes to see and the ears to hear.

>>14570711
>resisted perversion by Gnostics for almost 2,000 years
Looks like this guy hasn't gotten the memo yet.

>>14571442
>Even if you had to say that that truth is in a rudimentary form
I would say something like this. I believe that some of the truth is intermingled in the Old Testament. I think Christ was born among the Jews, who had their share of the truth, in order to bring about the Passion, since only a vulgar and barbarian people like the Jews would commit deicide whereas Christ would've been worshipped in India or China. He was a completion of the Old Testament insofar as the Old Testament bore truth. But I don't think the entirety of the texts are true and most of it is disgusting and barbaric nonsense that one could never believe was divinely inspired (ethnic genocide, a nationalist and petty, man-child of a God, animal sacrifice, etc.). The Jews killed Christ for a reason; the Passion was a reassertion of Jewish falsehood when confronted with the truth of Christ.

And Christ is the Law. He asserts some of the good parts of the Old Testament such as the Ten Commandments, but we saw he was eager to change a lot, hence the fact they killed him. I see him as building upon certain truths in the community he was born into, but ultimately asserting many new truths. Christ, as truth, only completed what around him was also true.

>>14571443
I mean to pray to Christ for the intercession of the Paraclete; Christ is the one who asked for the Paraclete to be sent to mankind, with the function of guiding us towards the truth. The Paraclete is an "advocate", and works in his absence on earth, hence the fact that Christ says he will not leave us as orphans but send us the Paraclete. But of course, pray to Christ directly all you want. I understand the Paraclete as being very similar to Socrates' daimonion; perhaps that very being that guided Socrates towards greater truth was the Paraclete itself, we'll never know.

>>14571472
>animal sacrifice not divinely inspired
NOOOOOOOOOOO THINK OF THE ANIMALS!!!! ITS NOT PROGRESSIVE!!!! THIS IS HECKIN 2020 FOR CHRISTS SAKE!!!!!

>>14571472
>one could never believe was divinely inspired
why not? because it does not match your modernistic onionslent-fueled sense of anglo moral superiority?

If Gnosticism is true, why was there never in history a Gnostic state which colonized large parts of the world in order to spread the Good News?

>>14571503
I just don't think animal sacrifice, metaphysically speaking, bears much weight. Have fun killing goats for Yahweh though and forking up the meat to some Jew in a tent who you already give half your food to. I'm sure you'll get far doing that. You should probably stone yourself to death for being a homosexual after as well. Just saying.

>>14571516
I'm not Anglo. And if you admire ancient Jewish customs then I pity you and view you as a barbarian unworthy of Heaven. If God is a Jewish ethno-nationalist, I don't think there is much hope for you.

>I'm a protestant, though I'm starting to realize all the second-hand dirt I've been told about Catholics have been straw man arguments.
Try this.

>>14571541
>I just don't think animal sacrifice, metaphysically speaking, bears much weight.
Literally who are you to make such claims though? Where does Christ ever suggest anything like that? How can you claim that sacrifice does not bear weight when Christ is supposed to be the greatest sacrifice ever? Does it not stand to reason with even basic child-like logic that sacrificing animals has some purpose, albeit greatly diminished?

>>14570304
You sound like

a retard and it

really makes me think

>>14571521
>If Gnosticism is true, why was there never in history a Gnostic state which colonized large parts of the world in order to spread the Good News?
What a stupid question. Gnostics are not concerned with the material world, nor the acquisition of worldly power. Satan offered Christ the world, and did he accept it? No, but do you know who did try to conquer the whole world? A lot of people who claimed to follow Christ! Who of course were spiritually Jewish (Catholics/Protestants).

It goes like this: you convert to some sort of general Protestantism, then your faith gets shaken by certain epistemological issues that seem to be resolved by Catholicism, then you realize Catholicism is a sham once you study Orthodoxy, then you either 1.) convert to Orthodoxy or 2.) suppress your knowledge and convert o Catholicism anyway due to some excuse like it being western or 3.) get burned out and stop believing or 4.) forge your own sort of Christian theology taking what seems best from the various schools since you're completely disillusioned by all denominationalism. Good luck.

>>14571541
>I'm not Anglo.
you should apply to join their club. you'd fit right in with your heretical moralising and trying to destroy the catholic church.
>view you as a barbarian unworthy of Heaven
that's a common thing among holier than thou christians (which is almost the entirety of them in one form or another). i'm used to it by now.

>>14571552
>Does it not stand to reason with even basic child-like logic that sacrificing animals has some purpose, albeit greatly diminished?
You might want to check yourself into a psych ward. I think you're severely compromised from an intellectual and moral point of view.

>>14571562
>doesn't answer my basic questions
I see you have already achieve the Fabled Gnosis and are too advanced for mere material speech, my friend.

>>14571562
>I think you're severely compromised from an intellectual and moral point of view.
>noooo!!! I AM morally Superior because I follow this Progressive Notion of Morality!!!!!!
>>I'm not Anglo.
at least make your larping as a non-anglo somewhat believable.

>>14571561
You've said nothing of value. It was a waste of my time to read your post. The fact that you descend into a petty ethnic straw man argument is proof that you're incapable of higher reasoning. England by the way doesn't have a history of Gnosticism, which was largely an Eastern Mediterranean phenomenon that saw minor revamps in Italy and Spain under different forms. Protestantism and Gnosticism are opposed entirely. The fact that you equate them is once again proof of your intellectual diminishment. I truly pity you and I hope you can develop your intellectual faculties and move beyond petty racial arguments that have no bearing on the subject matter in order to distract from your lack of understanding.

>Protestantism and Gnosticism are opposed entirely.
I have yet to see a self-proclaimed contemporary Gnostic who would not fit in perfectly within the average American Protestant parish.

>>14571568
>>14571573
Sorry, I think that animal sacrifice as being a staple sign of barbarism is a given and unworthy of further discussion. If you think it's worth debating you're a barbarian already.

>How can you claim that sacrifice does not bear weight when Christ is supposed to be the greatest sacrifice ever?
As for this question, I already answered it above >>14571472. Just read that for a response.

>>14571573
I'm not a progressive. Stop straw-manning me for no reason. You can swing swords at windmills all day, friend; but it has no bearing on the subject at hand. Finding mass animal sacrifice for a petty man-child God barbaric isn't a sign of progressivism, but rather a sign of nobility.

Does the gnostic theology basically boil down to this?
>NOOOOOOOOOOO!!! KILLING ANIMALS IS MEAN IT MAKES MY FEE FEES HURT!!!!!!!!

>>14571589
>I think that animal sacrifice as being a staple sign of barbarism is a given and unworthy of further discussion.

>>14571472
Saying God would allow truth to be intermixed with lies is equivalent to calling God a liar. I can’t accept such explanations.
>>14571445
What? You haven’t read the New Testament, have you? It is affirmed explicitly in numerous verses. It is used as key evidence in proving that Christ is the prophesized one, prophesized in the Old Testament itself. What you say is nonesense. Explain yourself clearly or at least don’t write rubbish.

>>14571582
>I have yet to see a self-proclaimed contemporary Gnostic who would not fit in perfectly within the average American Protestant parish.
Any true gnostic would be disgusted by modern and early Protestantism, along with Catholicism.

>>14571596
>You haven’t read the New Testament, have you?
I don't believe in the full preservation of the New Testament. It's the only conclusion when you look into how its writers did a very poor job of translating Ancient Hebrew texts.

>>14571596
>>14571472

>>14571596
>Saying God would allow truth to be intermixed with lies is equivalent to calling God a liar.
No, it isn't. All religions have some truth in them. Only Christ bears the entire truth.
>>14571593
Not an argument.

>>14571597
>Any true gnostic
So no such thing can be shown to exist then? How is gnosticism not just a retarded larp for fedora-tier faggots who want to seem cooler because they supposedly follow a mroe "ancient" "version" of Christianity?

The only Christian theology I've found that (in its totality) actually makes sense is Reformed theology. Everything else turns into nonsense once you start trying to reconcile God's omnipotence with the idea of humans being free to believe or not based on their own will.

>>14571589
>sign of nobility
Nobility is a progressive, decadent and degenerate notion. Animal sacrifice leads to deep contemplation of the meaning of true masculinity and of the transcience of this material world.

>>14571606
Truth is not something that is divided into parts. Either it is whole or it is not. God is truth, if you divide him into parts, you have idolatry. You are associating with God.

>>14571608
>retarded larp for fedora-tier faggots who want to seem cooler because they supposedly follow a mroe "ancient" "version" of Christianity
It's precisely that. If they cared about gnosis, they wouldn't converted to Islam and followed the Sufi path a long time ago.

>>14571608
I don't know. There are many strains of Gnosticism. Some of them are weird and awkward constructions. But there are some that are basically barebones Christianity, a reduction of the canon to a shortened New Testament, which gives one a particular worldview. I think if someone rejects what in the Bible doesn't have some justification in Christ, what you're left with would be considered by most as some form of Gnosticism.

I don't know how many sincere people have done this. But I don't know many sincere Christians at all anymore.

>>14571626
>wouldn't
would've

>>14571597
>no true Gnostman

>>14571589
>petty man-child God
See you in hell, le noble aristocrat.

>>14571626
What you just quoted also applies to protestants fetishizing catholicism.

>>14571620
>Truth is not something that is divided into parts.
I never said that.
>Either it is whole or it is not.
There is only one truth, some of which has been expressed to differing extents around the world in many religions. Christ bore the most truth and even he left much to mystery (read the last line of the book of John).

No one is dividing up the truth into parts. I'm saying that the truth has been intermingled with falsehood around the world and Christ was the purest representative of the truth.

If you can't understand how something true can be expressed to varying degrees of fidelity, then you're just another soul worthy of pity.

>>14571636
>>14571639
Not arguments and you've made no valid or interesting points.

>>14571627
Your view of rejection is incomplete. It’s an emotional backlash. Christ worked on Sabbath, that does not mean he rejected the law of rest during the Sabbath. These things have Godly meanings. Fulfillment is a very important word. The lawyers concluded that Christ had blasphemed, but the meaning of blasphemy was incomplete. Christ completed these things, he brought an ever-existing truth (before Abraham was, I am) into the world and it completed what seem as just laws rules and regulations in the Old Testament. You can reject the surface meaning of the laws but you can’t reject them yourself. Read the New Testament over again, especially the epistles of Paul.

>>14571651
Enjoy worshipping the Jewish ethnonationalist man-child God named Yahweh/El. I'm sure he loves his loyal goys.

>>14571655
I hate how stupid this place is. I remember why I stopped posting here now. What was the point of writing that? Did it bring some good to me, or to you, did it please God? Was your statement born of a thought that is captive to Christ? Its just another empty statement that will evaporate, pride and vanity, that’s all it is.

>>14571620
>God is truth, if you divide him into parts, you have idolatry.
Congratulations for apostating from every Trinitiarian church then.

>>14571667
I just mentioned who you worship and you get this mad? Interesting. It's almost like "Christians" lie to themselves about the fact they worship a Jewish ethno-nationalist and genocidal maniac named Yahweh.

>>14571674
>''Jewish ethno-nationalist'' and ''genocidal maniac''
Not an argument. Show why this is inconsistent with nature of God.

>>14571677
Ah yes, I forgot God commands murder and then murders. Ah, yes and he murders for a tiny tribe of barbaric and gross people. Interesting.

>>14570304
Catechism of the Catholic Church

>>14571682
>God commands murder
*not to murder

>>14571682
>tiny tribe of barbaric and gross people
here, gnostic, you forgot to drink this.

>Got job at a catholic school
>Told them I'm catholic
>Am actually more aligned to Lutheran

Who else /devilish/ here?

>>14571682
>then ''murders''
Citation needed.
>he ''murders'' for a tiny tribe of ''barbaric'' and ''gross'' people
Not an argument.

>>14571701
You just love your Jews, don't you?

>>14571706
Based. Did the same thing, but as a Gnostic. Hope to guide some impressionable youth along the right path.

>>14571708
Not an argument.

>>14571713
>Hope to guide some impressionable youth along the right path.
I secretly insert Gnostic talking points into conversations with every Christian I meet. It's fun to see them entertain ideas and slowly accept them through osmosis.

>>14571710
Why yes, I do love my Jewish brothers, how could you tell?

>>14571706
>>14571713
Based. I'm a crypto YHWH-alone worshipper and have already made multiple Christians doubt the divinity of Jesus.

>>14571669
No. Each are whole in God. Each exist in the wholeness of God. Each are God, not seperate Gods. Laws in the Kingdom of God or not he same as laws in this world. God can only be worshipped in this sense. God is not seperated or divided from his creation. The Kingdom of God is within us.

>>14571735
>in God
"in" God? Just like I am "in" my room right now, thus necessarily a part of it?
>Each are God
Why do you say "are" and not "is"? Isn't God One?

secular fella here. can a kind anon tl;dr their theological position? please convert me

>>14571745
>tl;dr their theological position
God exists.
He is One and Indivisible.
He created this vast Universe.
Nothing can lay claim of being equivalent to him.
He does not look like anything we can imagine.
All images claiming to be him are strictly banned and punishable by death.

>please convert me
just ponder the above points. they are all very intuitive and you should accept them quite easily.

>>14571735
Isn't that basically heretical polytheism though? You're saying Holy Spirit is God and not just an essential part of God. How do you worship both The Father and The Holy Spirit without commit adultery and blasphemy?

>>14571758
>heretical polytheism
that's christianity in a nutshell for you.

>>14571619

Nobility is the sign of the natural order; that everything is unequal, including soul and spirit.

Only m*slim filth would explicitly state there are no differences between races, hence commies love islam

>>14571674

Maybe but the current jews are false jews as stated in revelations 3:6

Pretty sure tribe of dan ended up in europa anyway

>>14570975
Go to confession, fool. Talk about your doubts with the priest afterwards.

>>14571378
Go to bed, Dan Brown.

>>14570855
This

>>14571543
This one, OP.

that's funny I'm a baptised Catholic considering becoming a Lutheran, more to stick it to my dumbass peasant ancestors than any genuine religious conviction

Do catholics still whip themselves?
If so, why?
If not, why not?

>>14570304
>The more I read about Catholicism, the more rational it seems
No hope Tbh

I like Analytic Thomism. Alasdair MacIntyre (After Virtue), etc.