/lit/ - Literature

>Behind Vatican walls, the conservative Pope Benedict and the liberal future Pope Francis must find common ground to forge a new path for the Catholic Church.
It's embarrassing seeing people who don't understand Catholicism try to make "important" movies about it. Forcing some awkward interpretation where Benedict and Francis are meant to represent the two poles of the binary American political paradigm is just culturally, philosophically and politically tonedeaf. Would American conservatives really feel much kinship with Benedict, who denounces capitalism and publicly praised the Catholic anarchist Dorothy Day? Would American liberals really consider themselves peers with Francis, who steadfastly upholds the Church's doctrines on abortion, homosexuality and the ordination of women? The only really straightforwardly "conservative" and "liberal" divide between these two are Benedict's skepticism of immigration and Francis' endorsement of it.
From the trailer:
>Pope's can't resign! If you do this you will damage the Papacy forever.
I doubt a clergyman would ever say this given the fact that five popes had resigned centuries before Benedict was alive. Lazy attempt to add dramatic flair.
>Nothing is static in nature, not even God.
Boring Hollywood platitude by a screenwriter who probably doesn't even know what process theology is or the fact that it is incompatible with Catholic doctrine.
>from the writer of The Theory of Everything and The Darkest Hour.
Bad sign. Pop historical trash.

>>14564794
>Nothing is static in nature, not even God.
That's an insultingly bad and heretical line. Films like this only further justify shunning Hollywood and mass media.

Further, how do they even legally make such garbage that slanders two living men?

>>14564794
Agreed, film stunk of americanisms. But the film had some really well-written dialogue.

>>14564033
pile of shit

>>14564033
The Tenant
Bad Boy Bubby
Jodorowsky's films
Conspirators of Pleasure
Hunger

how we all enjoying The New Pope tho?

>>14566621

Sucks

>>14564033

mad-max, newest (each character, +some vehicles and items, had an entire backstory written that only was alluded to vaguely in the movie)

>>14566649
next you'll try and tell me that Drive has a mature philosophical message

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>>14564033

fuck off to /tv/ you underage gay cunt looking for shit to name drop in school. fuck off and finger yourself till you shit yellow slime, the most anyone will ever get out of your pointless half-life.
do not pollute this board any more than you and r/his have already.

>>14566658
I dont get you anon, drive is clearly about finally fighting back against the oppresion of the jewish maffia (headed by ron "yo donnie" pearlman of all possible kikes), the manipulation and betrayal of minorities by said jewish maffia, the importance of family values, and ultimately, the honor in self-sacrifice

Anything dogpiled

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uMP_oW_G0w

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>>14566666
checked, also nice movie, reminds me of my trip to the US and this sad Christian girl I hanged out with

>>14564033
This was a riveting film for me.

Admittedly, the first two scenes (the in media res followed by the cut to unsignificant villagers scurrying about) trudge and feel out of place with the rest of the film; but afterward, it maintains a phenomenal pacing with *never* a dull moment. It stays enjoyably watchable the whole way through.

The dialogue manages to be mostly (especially compared to the average blockbuster) intensely philosophical (which is just my favorite film element) while still being not only engaging, but also coming across in a style that feels natural and organic. The dialogues between Ratzinger and Bergoglio sway soothingly between charmingly human and grippingly academic.

On the downside, a couple issues proved unwieldy for the film to handle---namely, that of climate change and poverty. They felt the most just thrown-in and carelessly juggled around with the more believable themes: homosexuality, apostasy, etc..

This ties into another "issue" if you want to call it that with the film---it does not attempt to educate its audience on what exactly these issues were. There were no demonstrations of how the particular topics Ratzinger and Bergoglio discuss affect real peoples' lives on a daily basis. It's a film that expects you to import your prior familiarity and background knowledge of the debates in to supplement the film's exposition of the opposing sides.

In other words, the discussions may come across as empty moralizing to the unitiated as there are effectively no characters shown within the film to have a stake in the central focuses of the two popes' conversations surrounding the Catholic church's dogma vs progressiveness.

Although this to me was not a film that felt its length---where despite the runtime being two hours, it never dragged on or went too long---I think that adding this bit of storytelling may have brought the film down as a whole unfortunately, for all the currently included parts fit together nearly perfectly and flow wonderfully.

There was nary a time where the characters felt overacted, only a teeny bit, but ultimately you recognize these as brilliant and thoroughly convincing performances by two masters of their craft (as well as the actor playing young Jorge).

Overall, it's a lovely film I would highly recommend to anyone looking for a nice brain bender that doesn't tug too hard but still provides some satisfying food for thought, while not feeling much like that's just all that it is.

>>14564033

>>14566843
t. 13 yo

Does anybody here but me have a burning hatred for Michael Haneke and his condescending didactic garbage that not even Bertolt Brecht would love?

>>14566855
I'm older than you are zoomie.

>>14566649
I found that movie very boring to be honest. I hate movies that are just one long CGI action scene. Also,
>no Mad Mel

Barry Lyndon

>>14566893
>I didn't see the movie: the post

>>14566666
Based. Quints don't lie

>>14567014
I did see the movie. There was basically no plot, just cars driving around and exploding.

>>14566893

The entire movie is live action you kike liar dog

>>14567037

Clearly you missed the subtle yet severe socioeconomic effects of fuel monopolies, though it makes a case for tyrancy and oppression of women (genetic fitness, combatting irradiation), whilst also providing a prominent role for the handicapped; role, ironically, greater than in modern society.
Would the handicapped better off in a post apocalyptic wasteland? You might be inclined to laugh at the notion, but if you were the child of a warlord things might indeed show surprising results!

>>14567037
It's okay if you don't like action flicks, but a big selling point was that the movie only used practical effects, there's not a single shot that uses CGI

>>14567064
>there's not a single shot that uses CGI

the goat

>>14567110
watch the fucking movie

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7PVWziS-1w

>>14564794
>I doubt a clergyman would ever say this given the fact that five popes had resigned centuries before Benedict was alive.
Super rare. Only five verified abdications. Hadn't happened in over 5 centuries.

>>14564033
>ctrl + f "kurosawa"
>ctrl + f "tarkovsky"
>0 results
...../lit/..... once again proven to be full of midwits

>>14567110
andrew yangs brother is a genious

>>14567234
kurosawa is midwit
tak is pseud tier
both are also entry level as fuck, pic related is actual kino.

>>14566583
sauce?

>>14567297
>kino
Hi, Reddit!
>shepitko
>woman
stopped considering serious discussion there. opinion discarded- into the trash it goes.

>>14567349
>women cant be good directors
>why yes i only watch entry level movies how could you tell?

>>14567365
if you know so many intermediate level directors, why dont you drop a name, huh? the name of a MAN that is- not a fucking WOMAN :D:DDD:D

>>14567373
idk what intermediate level means. You autists and your obsession with tiering is really odd. Maybe Eisenstein?

>>14567421
but anon... you started the tiering........
>procceeds to post hollywood jew

pretty much anything rated highly on my letterboxd desu
https://letterboxd.com/Smoothhands/

>>14567365
>>women cant be good directors
>why yes
>posting onions
you dont know how the memes you are using work. maybe its time to go back?

>>14567082
Show me then

>>14567297
Being an avant-teen doesn't make you high-brow.

>>14567574
Thist desu. Anon will surely grow out of it at 20.

>>14564033
Barcelona and Metropolitan are both good

>>14564033
How did no one post this movie before?

>>14564794
>conservative
>liberal

Stopped reading there, sticking their easy to digest for amerimutt audience labels on Francis or Benedict, that are nowhere even close to even represent that wide range of positions those people might have on multiple complicated topics.

>>14568352
Isnt that the point of the post though?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYJY45U6Jo4

>>14567757
he asked for /lit/ movies not reddit

>>14564033
Wall Street with Charlie Sheen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TLCaDbBv_s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLAan2iZs_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVxYOQS6ggk

What do you mean by that, films based on books, or films centered around reading?

>>14564033
Some of my favorites:
Naked (1993)
8 1/2 (1963)
Cool Hand Luke (1967)
Rififi (1955)
Gummo (1997)
Ichi the Killer (2001)
The Killing of a Sacred Deer (2017)
Clerks (1994)
Paris, Texas (1984)
The Boondock Saints (1999)
After Hours (1985)
Persona (1966)
Brain Damage (1988)
Henry Fool (1997)
In the Mouth of Madness (1994)
May (2002)
Snatch (2000)
Hellraiser (1987)
Martyrs (2008)
The Ninth Gate (1999)
Come and See (1985)
Falling Down (1993)
The Good the Bad and the Ugly (1966)
Synecdoche New York (2008)
Cemetery Man (1994)
Brazil (1985)
Blue Velvet (1986)
Possession (1981)
Vertigo (1958)
Audition (1999)
Orpheus (1950)
Barry Lyndon (1975)
Heat (1995)
Irreversible (2002)
The Seventh Seal (1957)
Au Hasard Balthazar (1966)
Bladerunner (1982)
Naked Lunch (1991)
The Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift (2006)

>>14566621
The Young Pope is better so far, but that may be intentional

>>14569575
is this /tv/'s version of the merzbow pasta?

>>14569882
?

>>14567592

>>14569866
The young pope gets good in the latter episodes. It's great in hindsight, but nobody was praising it until the last couple of episodes. I guess the same thing will happen in the new pope.

>>14564033
Has anyone here seen this? /tv/ seems to love it, but they love forced memes and capeshit, so they can't be trusted. It looks like plain heresy to me.

>>14569975
>>14570021
as soon as I saw this episode I knew it was one of my favorites ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isgydm69YLE

>>14570023
i don't get it

>>14567297
based, The Ascent is one of the best kinos I have ever seen. Wings was incredible but I prefer The Ascent

>>14570021
very liberal view of the church but, the series is honestly some of the best television I've seen in my life. And I don't say that lightly.

>>14564851
>he doesn't know about creatio continua
>he doesn't know about in statu viae

>>14566649
Oddly I agree with this. Film was very good at characterizing the elements you mentioned in a very concise, fat-free manner. Film had almost no meandering exposition. Every moment was focused on driving the plot forward and it still managed to allow the audience to emotionally invest themselves without sacrificing the visceral component necessary to an action movie.

>>14567064
I agree that the movie is incredible but many of the practical effects are embellished with cgi. Also, did you not see the duststorm sequence?

>>14567305
Here, Then (Ci Chu Yu Bi Chu)
i don't know if it's lit i haven't watched it

>>14564033

>>14568352
You should have kept reading retard

>>14566658
the dining room stabbing scene was extremeley lit

>>14567046
don't be daft, it's live action but many of the shots include cgi

>>14567064
are you like, schizophrenic? you think they drove cars up into a dust tornado with lightning shooting out of it?

>>14564033

>>14570586
this movie sucked. the narrative and script were basically nonexistent. seems like everyone just improvised lines based on whatever action sequence was at hand. the movie probably appeals to people who love cinematography (and enjoyed Dunkirk) and don't want to emotionally invest in anything in their lives

>>14567110

Yi Yi is slightly better

>>14570586
terrible movie. I watched it and hated it and wondered why, then i saw it was directed by a womeme and it all made sense.

>>14570796
i disagree but yiyi is also fantastic

>>14570836
bad taste mate

>>14564794
Glad I stopped watching movies and started reading again. This sounds dreadful. Although, I've been watching The Twilight Zone on Netflix and recently saw Carol Reed's The Fallen Idol which was amazing.

>>14570836
>I watch movies without knowing who wrote/directed
do you decide what books to read based on the cover art too?

>>14570615
I wouldn't say it sucked, but I'd say it was incredibly moral and yearned for sentimentality while just being a shallow Jordan Peterson platitude. I enjoy cinematography, but would never let that warrant a film being good. Malick's A Hidden Life was awful despite beautiful cinematography. This had more to it, and it did succeed at transcending emotion to a certain extant and creating a detached feel. I liked the ending too because of the quaint serene shots and feelings of nostalgia I correlated with it. It would have served better as a summer release than a February one though. I saw it with my friend and then we got beers afterwards, so it was a nice night. I think I just miss days like that as I feel my life slipping away to this omnipotent bureaucracy, so you're probably right in saying the film itself sucked.

>visual mediums
lol

>>14570246
kek, I commend you for outing the pseud catholic

>>14564794
What are you talking about? It was directed by a Brazilian Catholic and a cardinal who knew both popes personally spoke highly of the film. Just more contrarian bullshit from you moronic anti-American redditors.

>>14570021

It sucks and he is a weird cuck pope

>>14570021
I watched the first few episodes and gave up. Not for me.

>>14564851
Static and unchanging are two different things. God is not passive, but God is unchanging.

>>14567297
Shepitko is good but no match for Tarkovsky or Kurosawa in any way. Another brainlet who thinks popular = lesser.

>>14566835
Nice Reddit bait heh

>>14564794
The adjectives "conservative" and "liberal" exist outside of American politics, you American.

>>14569499
It was okay.

>>14570796
nope

>>14570827
Such a fucking underrated movie.

Ordet

>>14566864
Nah, I hate these aspects of his films too. Which is sad because he's an amazing director by any other metric.
Same feeling apply to a lower extent towards Bela Tarr too.

>>14564033
Circle---the one where people are abducted and forced to vote on who dies.
It was on Netflix as well.

>>14570021
Honestly pretty great show all in all,and a fantastic music score to top it off. The second season started airing like two weeks ago and so far its pretty good too.

>>14572558
how the fuck is that movie "/lit/"

>>14567757
I'm with you on this one anon, the movie was great. Ignore the "Reddit" pseud

Anything from bela tarr

>>14566864
>be me
>watch the white ribbon
>expect spooky vargtimmen-like subjective descriptivism
>get 2.5 hours of freudy-daddy-baby-poopoo-peepee

>>14566864
I've only seen Amour and liked it a lot, but have heard his retarded interviews about immigration and did not like that.

>>14573422
I still have not seen a Bela Tarr film. The problem is Satantango is 7 hours long, and I bought Werckmeister on DVD but it's only compatible with European DVD players. I can't find Damnation, and didn't want to start with The Turin Horse because it's supposed to be his 3rd or 4th best film.

>>14564033
The Defiant Ones

It's about a negro and white man prisoners chained together who try to escape to their freedom through the American countryside after fleeing from the paddywagon.

Kiyoshi Kurosawa's Cure is top tier. Very dreary atmosphere, desaturated, overcast, tepid, still, decrepit, I've had many bad dreams that looked exactly like it.

>>14573938
i watched it and disliked it. Hypnotism as a plot point is always terrible, let alone when its as central as in Cure. Also it felt like the movie just dragged on and on with nothing happening. definitely not a /lit/ movie, more like an ok b movie.

>>14564794
It was an enjoyable movie though

>>14566583
> it's a Chinese movie where everything is slow, grey and everyone are sad

What else is new?

>>14568352
That's literally what he said you doofus

Based Nakashima

It's funny how people all want Japthriller to be this wacky unbelievable edgy stuff like Miike and Sono, and then Nakashima comes with some of the most psychologically complex characters in the industry with a fucking MTV music video aesthetic and just shits all over them.

>>14564794
Your comment is generally decent, except.

>Pope's can't resign! If you do this you will damage the Papacy forever.
>I doubt a clergyman would ever say this given the fact that five popes had resigned centuries before Benedict was alive. Lazy attempt to add dramatic flair.
This is false. Anybody who takes the Papacy seriously, is going to be uncomfortable at a resignation. Even if it is valid. There's a reason it hasn't been done for centuries.

A resignation creates some uncertainty about who is the Pope. Potentially, some people could claim Benedict's resignation was invalid, and Francis isn't actually the Pope. Even worse, Benedict could potentially support these claims, either intentionally or unintentionally. He could get dementia, and says stupid stuff. Or he could (for whatever reason) decide to start claiming that he's Pope again.

This isn't a problem for most people. But for anybody who believes the Pope is the representative of Christ, it's a dangerous decision.A resigning Pope is a feature of a modern, active Papacy. They need somebody who can travel, read, give speeches, and such. They don't see him as a guy sitting on a throne, occasionally approving doctrinal statements, which is what he did for most of Catholic history.

>>14575005
SOMETHING HAPPENS AND I'M HEAD OVER HEELS

>>14564033
The History Boys
highly recommend it

It's about high school boys studying litchrachuh to get into Oxford & Cambridge. Hilarity ensues.

>>14575153
Is that James Corden? Yeah, not /lit/

Joker
City of God
Jacob's Ladder
The Lobster
Princess Mononoke
Akira
Perfect Blue
Ghost in the Shell
My Dinner with Andre
Through a Glass Darkly
Walkabout
Das Boot
The Talented Mr. Ripley
Magnolia
Doctor Zhivago
Stalag 17
Wild Strawberries
Papillion
The Bridge on the River Kwai
Andromeda Strain
The Great Escape
Sunset Boulevard
Lawrence of Arabia
Being There
Oldboy
Silence of the Lambs
Clockwork Orange
There Will Be Blood

>>14575597
Watch it. In both senses of the phrase.

>>14572661
Define to me what a /lit/ movie is if you disagree with my assessment.

>>14570586
Her is kinda /lit/ since Joaquin plays a professional writer.
I didn't like it too much but it's a movie very much about turn of the decade humanity.

>>14575774
maybe 1 or two of these are /lit/

The Ballad of Narayama by Shohei Imamura is a very /lit/ film IMO. If you like Japanese literature you will like this film.

Inherent vice
Poetry
Burning
Woman in the Dunes
The assassination of jesse james by the coward robert ford

tropic thunder

people here just define /lit/ as movies they like

>>14575774
Das Boot. Everything else is incredibly reddit

>>14577168
Lord of War
Children of Men

>>14564033

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>>14564033

>>14564033

Ma nuit chez Maud

>>14566864
Yes, I watched Cache the other day. Infuriating.

>>14573763
This film. My god, i can't get tired of recommending it. The final scene is so wholesome.

>>14577000
Very good film indeed. Have you seen the older version? The ballad of narayama (1958), check it out, is really good. Also, shimamura is a beast in cinema. Highly recommend The pornographers; intentions of murder; and pigs and battleships.

>>14570246
impressed.meme

Are there any novels that capture the Catholic surrealism/absurdism of The Young/New Pope? It seems as though most Catholic authors are too cowardly orthodox to write blasphemic scenes.

If I catch that fucker who called Pasolini shit in the last thread hanging around here I'm gonna break his legs

>>14574584
different anon here but I thought hypnotism worked fine in Old Boy, can't think of another film where it worked though

>>14564033
If you don't like David Lean's epics you're not /lit/.

>>14564033

>>14578042
based

>>14575153
play or movie? which is better?

>>14564033
Seventh Seal, The Magician by Bergman
Marketa Lazarovka, Devil's Trap by Vlacil
Stalker, Andrey Rublev by Tarkovsky
8 1/2, Satyricon by Felinni
El Topo, Holy Mountain by Jodorowsky
Throne of Blood by Kurosawa
Burnt by the Sun, Barber of Siberia by Mikhalkov
Ivan the Terrible by Einstein
Faust by Sokurov

>>14575153
>>14575597
>>14578290
>>14575949
Tgis movie is shit and Corden is the least of it. It's just a bunch of "clever" guys being clever. It's the most self indulgent load of wank I have ever seen. The whole cast is preverbially just fapping while staring into a full length mirror. And then some more wankery about gay Greeks and molesting kids. Not kino.

>>14569499
it shit the bed in the end but was otherwise good.

>>14577233
is lord of war the only great nick cage?

>>14578944
No. Vampire's kiss is his best

>>14564033
Terry Gilliam supremacist here, no book gave my childhood as much joy as this one man did.

>>14564794
it's funny how they used the quote "A church married to the spirit of the age in one generation is likely to be a widow in the next" because this movie lacked any kind of perspective.

>>14574938
the other guy nailing your wife

Spirited away :-)

>>14579425
based roastielarper

>>14579498
>based roastielarper
I'm a straight 23 year old male, you dip
I saw it first two days ago and it amd me cry, you faggot

Herzog kind of reminds me of Schopenhauer and there is a very interesting book about the making of Fitzcarraldo, a film famous for dragging a 320 ton steamboat over a big hill in the middle of the Amazon jungle with no special effects.

>>14579229
kek

>>14564033
>The pleb choice:
Two Popes
>The intellectual choice:
The Young Pope

>>14579425
More feet scenes than a Tarantino film.

Once Upon A Time... the Revolution

>>14577044
just like effay, kino, ludo and whatever other shitty buzzwords are used

>>14571139
>he reads by smelling

>>14578944
leaving las vegas is his best

>>14564794
Just because a story involves two characters with opposite views doesn't necessarily mean that it is about American politics...

>>14581406
did you miss the part where they literally cut to footage of Trump's border wall?

friendly reminder that asian kino is superior

>>14578736
Based

>>14564794
Francis is a jesuit aka jew

>>14567161
I have found my soulmate. Possibly the greatest documentary film ever, it's on par with dead souls imo
>>14567110
can't argue with that, yang is fantastic though I like yi yi a little bit more
>>14575774
>>14569575
all reddit tier
>>14567234
both are literally the biggest pleb answers to any film oriented threads. Nobody posts them bc everyone and their mom know their shit. Go back to r/movies you pretentious faggot
>>14573938
I love kyoshi kurosawa. Can't wait to have my cure blu-ray delivered

>>14566666
This post is underrated. Lost in Translation is the best movie I've ever seen. Simply beautiful

>>14566855
Fight Club is more like the quintessential Gen X film desu

some recent films that are great:

parasite
the lighthouse
uncut gems

I will just leave this here.

>>14582491
>parasite
8/10 (better recent Asian films and too accessible/naive)
>the lighthouse
10/10 (even though I probably overrate it)
>uncut gems
5/10 (no idea how this gets any praise at all)

Try Long Day's Journey Into Night, The Wild Pear Tree, Loveless, Burning, Hard to be a God, Poetry, Leviathan, The Return, The Turin Horse.

>>14582657
Good as a teenager
>>14581430
Too many contemporary films shit on Trump. It is putrid, especially When They See Us and Blackkklansman. I have no idea how such overt propaganda could be taken seriously. Critics are children or threatened.
>>14578985
Eh.

>>14569575
you forgot aguirre!

>>14577363
MY MAN

>>14582694
i agree with your parasite comment
they had a good idea going through the first half and then beat the viewer over the head with it in the second

>the gril i was with literally could not tell the characters apart and asked me why the dad killed his family at the end

>>14582885
>>the gril i was with literally could not tell the characters apart and asked me why the dad killed his family at the end
lololol based
> they had a good idea going through the first half and then beat the viewer over the head with it in the second
It didn't make it bad though, just not great.

>>14572225
Yes but they're not the sole labels constituting a dualistic system. And they generally mean different things.

>>14566583
>*nods apathetically in your direction*
>the webm

>>14582885
>the gril i was with literally could not tell the characters apart and asked me why the dad killed his family at the end
I would of beat her head in for spewing such bullshit.

Dekalog is pretty amazing

>>14578944
Mandy and Leaving las vegas are the only answers. Red Rock West is also decent.

>>14582694
Uncut Gems was incredible, what didn't you like about it?

>>14582694
>Long Day's Journey Into Night

I really wanted to like this but it was beyond boring.

Agree with the rest.

>>14583260
It was unfocused and glorified nigger culture, then made Kevin Garnett moral at the end. The destructive portrait wasn't well done. There were elements in the movie that could have been explored more that would have made it more profound: the opening scene with the Ethiopian workers and the relationship with his son. The transcendent music was forced. I honestly see very little positive in that film and view the directors as smug 'liberal-Jewish' intellectuals wagging a finger at somebody. Was it about addiction or our impulses? yes, then Ratner was a sympathetic character, but there was nothing sympathetic about him in the film. In essence, I feel it accomplished nothing aesthetically or thematically, and was the equivalent of Jewish nerds trying to be cool.

>>14582694
Uncut gems is movie of the decade contender

>>14583289
By contemporary critics who also praise Booksmart and Black Panther. Am I supposed to take their opinions seriously?

>>14583274
ahh fair enough. Have you seen Ash is Purest White?

>>14570021
Loved the first season, but I can't really explain why.

>>14583309
>>14583289
My top ten of the decade would be:
1. Boyhood (yeah, yeah, yeah)
2. Hard to be a God
3. Leviathan
4. Mr. Turner
5. Before Midnight
6. Burning
7. Toni Erdmann
8. Columbus
9. Ida
10. Everybody Wants Some/Irishman/Son of Saul

>>14583217
Yeah. This.

>>14570892
the new twighlight zone or old?

>>14583362
The old

>>14583288
>nigger in the first sentence
I should have guessed

>>14583414
> woah his views on race are somewhat edgy therefore every other view he has is wrong and transgressive

>>14583341
1. Cemetery of Splendour
2. No Home Movie
3. Hard to be a God
4. An Elephant Sitting Still
5. Uncut Gems
6. The Challenge
7. Tabu
8. Certified Copy
9. Parasite
10. The Re'Search (Re'Search Wait'S)
Don't pay too much attention to the ordering

>>14583427
> woah i dont kno how to greentext and defend people whose immediate gut reaction is "there were niggers in it" when asked about the quality of a work of art

>>14583443
First 4 are great. Didn’t like uncut gems, parasite good but I didn’t care for it. Haven’t seen 6,7, 8 or 10

>>14583449
Glorification of nigger culture is different than there were niggers in it. Tell me more about you’re admiration of Charles Burnett or Franco Rossi’s films you crypto kike

>>14583469
>>14583443
Scratch that I’ve seen certified copy and thought it was great

>>14583475
Killer of Sheep is fantastic. What's you're namedropping of Burnett supposed to prove? It isn't helping you're case (that you don't just hate films with black people in them). I don't know who Rossi is or why your bringing him up

>>14579548
No one? Is Herzog not edgy and unique enough for the teenagers on /lit/?

>>14583513
I do hate black people for the most part, so that’s not my point. It was that you’re a retard online that just gets mad about ‘muh racism’ while watching your shallow American films, but kudos to you for googling Burnett lol and getting me. However, I appreciate cinema, so I’ll see movies with blacks or whatever if they’re supposed to be good, but uncut gems was nigger glorification.

>>14583523
we all love Herzog boy do I love Herzog I love Aguirre and Stroszek and Woyzeck and Cobra Verde and Fitzcarraldo and Kaspar Hauser goddamn do I love to watch a Herzog film

>>14583543
>googling Burnett
if I had to google shit to "get you" I would just pretend like I know who Rossi is and why you're talking about him

>>14583566
I meant Franco Rosso** and I doubt you’ve ever seen killer of sheep or my brothers wedding

>>14583570
I haven't seen My Brother's Wedding, I've seen Killer of Sheep and thought it was fantastic, which is why I said "Killer of Sheep is fantastic." You're making yourself look like a retard with this line of argument.
Now how about we stop shitting up the thread and you post some films. Here are mine >>14583443

>>14583588
Birth of a nation, keaton’s the navigator, Babylon (1980), round midnight, over the edge, David holzman’s diary, Wanda, five easy pieces, friends of Eddie coyle, lone star, one false move, inside llewyn Davis, Jeanne Dielman, Atlantic City, au Renoir les enfants, the leopard, the conformist, once upon a time in the west, manhunter, toy story 2, in a lonely place, out of the past, the wrong man, shadow of a doubt, day of wrath, ordet, Orpheus, children of paradise, I am Cuba, gospel according to st. Matthew (pasolini), the mother and the Whore, Germany year zero, late spring, Tokyo story

>>14572533
>“Mikkel, you do believe in God, don’t you?”
>“You know my views, Inger.”
>“You have no faith?”
>“Not even faith in faith.”
>“But you have something more important.”
>“What’s that?”
>“A heart, and goodness.” She pauses.
>“Yes, faith is not enough if you are not a good person, too.” Her hand reaches out to his chin, propping it up to meet her eyes.
>“And you are.”
>“But I have no faith.”
>“It will come.”
>“Are you so sure?”
>“Yes.” She strokes his hair.
>“Just you see how warm you will feel then. And how happy. It’s nice to be happy isn’t it?”

Came here to say Ordet too, incredible movie.

>>14572533
>“Mikkel, you do believe in God, don’t you?”
>“You know my views, Inger.”
>“You have no faith?”
>“Not even faith in faith.”
>“But you have something more important.”
>“What’s that?”
>“A heart, and goodness.” She pauses.
>“Yes, faith is not enough if you are not a good person, too.” Her hand reaches out to his chin, propping it up to meet her eyes.
>“And you are.”
>“But I have no faith.”
>“It will come.”
>“Are you so sure?”
>“Yes.” She strokes his hair.
>“Just you see how warm you will feel then. And how happy. It’s nice to be happy isn’t it?”

Came here to say Ordet too, incredible movie.

>>14583341
>>14583443
S tier films:

>Burning
>Poetry
>The Great Beauty
>Amour
>Inside Llewyn Davis
>Tabu
>Uncut Gems
>Kill List
>It's Such a Beautiful Day
>The Tree Of Life
>Certified Copy
>Only Lovers Left Alive
>Climax
>Phoenix
>The Master

>>14566583
turns to profile - flat face. immersion ruined

>>14567757
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcasBKiZTko
kino

>>14567161
based.

Haven't seen 12 years a slave so I can't compare them, but this is certified Kino in my book

Ikiru
City of God
Barry Lyndon
In the Heat of the Sun
Los Olvidados
Modern Times
The Terrorizers
Clockwork Orange
First Reformed
The Big City
The Young Pope (miniseries)
Show Me a Hero (also miniseries)
The Tale of Princess Kaguya
>>14566843
one of those rare cases of "better than the book"
>>14570796
based
>>14567757
it's too popular for /lit/ nerds to admit they like it
>>14570021
it's excellent. It's something old /tv/ would've liked. If you're a sensitive little bitch it might not be for you, but Sorrentino was very respectful. It's not a cringelord teen atheist show but it's not Catholic fanservice either.

>>14583733
Only Lovers Left Alive is so good man

>>14583449
He greentexts fine newfag

>>14564851
>shunning Hollywood and mass media.
Instead of shunning your pet bullshit superstition you mean?
Nah.
One knows it's bs, the other keeps making up ever more of it to keep you all dumb and duped

The Shoot Pictures Don't They is a pretty good ranking. Same with the Sight and Sound poll

>>14584173
I hate that sight. List aggregates are cancer. Just go to Rotten Tomatoes, ignore the score, and read individual reviews.

>>14585581
>>14584173
site**

>>14577728
>The final scene is so wholesome.
I thought it was really depressing

>>14568352
What a dorky post lol

>>14570021
I've liked every episode of season 2 so far except episode 4. Hopefully it hops back. Season 1 was KINO, but still doesn't approach something like Dekalog

>>14572533
Actual Kino. Dreyer is one of the best.

>>14582694
LOL
Parasite was the definition of OK. Nothing substantial, safe cinematography, good, not great pacing, editing, etc. Lighthouse was also alright, but not great. The comedy falls flat, but cinematography, editing, and lighting are a huge step up. Uncut Gems, get ready for it, was the best on that list. Safdie brothers make another fucking jam, solid 8/10, big nuts production. Sorry nerd

>>14585723
Can you tell me why it was so good? I loathed Good Time too, but thought it was better than Uncut Gems. Parasite was completely safe, I agree, and you're probably right about The Lighthouse but I had a great experience watching it and thought the aesthetic was flawless. I saw Dreyer's Vampyr the morning of and thought it was better, but didn't know why. As for Uncut Gems, I just thought it was a purposeless Inside Llewyn Davis and a shallow portrait of a downfall. It was a giant unfocused bore, and the directors deigning to force a father-son theme disgusted me. I thought it could have been much more psychologically or philosophically stimulating for what it was, but ended up just being something 'cool' like The Wolf of Wall Street with hollow themes and pseudo-intellectual music and cinematography. At least with propaganda pieces like Booksmart, or Blackkklansman/Black Panther/Selma/Get Out you understand why they get good reviews even when they're bad movies. Uncut Gems was completely apolitical except for the opening scene and Garnett's moral monologue.

>>14569575
>Gummo

>>14569575
holy based

>>14583645
based

>>14585770
Hard to say exactly, but everything in Good Time and Uncut Gems is incredibly tight. That's mostly why I like it. People talk over one another, there's almost never wide shots; it places realism next to surrealistic lighting and design so that the characters can be more easily examined and feel less relatable. The point is not to resonate, but more-so reflect like the myth of Cain and Abel or something. Howard is a dark character, a caricature for a deep seated reality that may be true in us, but in a far more complicated way. The film is simple, but on purpose. For instance, the father-son theme didn't seem like an emotional grab to me because I don't think we are supposed to relate to Howard. Rather, I think it was a simple point of how depraved his character is. Both the son and father treat each-other like achievement subjects (the other is strictly there to confirm that their own personal reality is happening and nothing more) and both are quintessential narcissistic Jews/Americans who care more about the appearance or "having" of family over being an actual family.

>>14585915
Well unfortunately, that's more than I've seen any critic say thus far. I suppose you're right in a sense, but I was underwhelmed. All of that sounds better in a novel imo, I guess my view is that the median is limited. I think even the great Tarkovsky or Bergman films are philosophically stunted. I've really never been blown away with a film on a metaphysical level, more-so an emotional appeal and I thought this failed in that regard and I don't look for symbolism/thematic elements generally because I don't want to read into something that's not there and I think the median is incapable of that to any extent. Any other films you recommend?

>>14585990

These are a few films that I find heavily rewatchable for themes and nuances and could easily write a 10 page analysis on. It's very hard to write a film that can't be digested in 1-3 viewings and I think that the best ones are ones that you can view more than 3 times and still glean more from. That's one way that film is superior to texf in that it cannot be fully comprehended in one viewing alone if it is an actual quality film.

Youth
TGTBATU
The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift

>>14583735
Asians are really 2d women unlike 3d piggu disgusting western trashu.

>>14586040
> 2015
> Cowboy flick everybody loves with easy to spot symbolism and clearly inferior to Once Upon a Time in the West
> 2006 Racecar movie

>>14570306
I refuse to watch remakes so I'll never watch it.

>>14586045
You don't understand the symbolism of The Good the Bad and the Ugly and you don't understand jokes either.

>>14583547

I love Herzog (Cobra Verde is underrated), but goddammit Kasparov Hauser and Heart of Glass are the two most boring movies I’ve ever seen.

>>14583645

The Wrong Man basado.

>>14586095
My favorite is Even Dwarves Started Small

>>14586056
It's not a remake, but it's also overrated as shit.

>>14586064
>You don't understand the symbolism of The Good the Bad and the Ugly
Maybe
>and you don't understand jokes either.
Also, maybe

>>14585990
I agree films have a hard time discussing philosophical topics or anything that concerns "horizontal" relations/typology (think theology, metaphysics, ethics). I think vertical relations or "myths" (things that occur throughout time, not above space/time) are far more easily suited to the visual medium, things that occur and recur. You mentioned Vampyr; Dreyer was a master at this, but, unfortunately, is dated in some sense. I could watch Ordet every day though. Babette's Feast is another example of "perfect filmmaking" in my book. Simple but very much so benefits from its visuals, editing, etc. If you examine Protestant vs. Catholic/Orthodox films you may see what I'm talking about more clearly. Most Prot films try to preach a message so hard, that the characters become unreal symbols for something occurring above, losing their immanent significance. Film is an immanent medium though. Catholic/Orthodox films more so focus on stories that are human, where the direct meaning is clear (don't be a shit-head), but the details are shrouded in mystery. A fundamental aspect remains muddied, such that all "transcendent/typological" aspects must be deduced by the audience and are never given, much like in real life.

>>14586155
The Good the Bad and the Ugly is heavily, heavily catholic in symbolism. Blondie represents God and christ which is why he shoots down criminals and gives them second chances at life. Tuco is the main character and represents the lower class and criminals who are born into it. In the first scene of the movie he kills because he has to in the middle of eating. By the end of the movie Blondie kills Angel Eyes who represents actual greed alone by concious choice and then leave Tuco with the money in the same way Christ renews people in the Catholic religion. The entire movie is a Catholic parable.

>>14582027
The 4chan hipster, holding court

>>14582045
Somewhere is better

>>14564794
Boring Hollywood platitude by a writer who probably doesnt know what process theology is or the fact that it is incompatible with catholic doctrine.

You’re giving the screenwriter too much credit. He knows just as well as anybody else that the catholic god does not change, and is not a capricious figure. He just thought that it was cool, vaguely philosophical soundbyte that fit into this film on an atmospheric level, and so decided to shoehorn it in

>>14586095
Hauser is one his best, though.