/lit/ - Literature

>>14540326
i bet the middle one gets laid plenty. lots of girls find those vampire teeth sexy

If it seems an exceptional phenomenon, it is mainly because we are moving on from a period of fetishizing trade labor. Young people of academic means identify more as city people these days. You are allowed to have your childhood extended a while longer, instead of seeing it crushed beneath the tedium of physical labor. You don't have to put on a front to make people think you're a hard man.

This bit doesn't apply for everyone, but you are more likely to build character providing for a family, or pursuing economic mobility, than you would being paid an immodest salary to lounge in comfortable office space daydreaming all day.

>>14540326
Guys like them have no trouble getting girlfriends and I, despite my best efforts, remain alone. I wonder what that says about me. On second thought, maybe I'd rather not know.

>>14540326
my diary desu

>>14540362
yeah, lots of girls look at guys teeth and if they like them they have sex with the guys. that's very common, speaking from my own experience

>>14540459
it says you're a really cool guy. only faggots who cave in to the system get girlfriends

Comfort breeds weakness?

>>14540362
The dentist told me I have fangs. Something about how my jaw is set.

>>14540459
Think about quality and not quantity, anon. A "girlfriend" who'd fall for someone like them isn't worth it.

>>14540326
>I need to include some references
Just quote your previous writing.

>>14540503
Which in turn quotes 4chan.

>>14540362
>>14540469
wtf bros...

>>14540326
very strange dudes

>>14540326
Sounds like something that only exists on /pol/ or twitter. Go for a walk.

>>14540718
>Go for a walk.
I just did and say these three dudes walking about. It was disgusting...

>>14540772
How much did they charge?

>>14540548
What 4chan quotes should I include about onions boys?

>>14540798
Onions have layers. You know, not everybody likes onions. Everybody loves cakes. Cakes have layers! You know what else everybody likes? Parfaits. Have you ever met a person, you say, "Let's get some parfait," they say, "Heck no, I don't like no parfait"? Parfaits are delicious.

>>14540798
Just the screaming wojaks

>>14540683
what's strange about them? literally all of my friends look like that.

>>14540326
I finished the two middle chapters. Now I need some quotes about them to include in the introduction.


-- Technologization & Nintendoization

To speak of the modern world and not touch upon the most serious plague affecting it would be a grave mistake on our part, so we briefly recall the main point here.

It may be said that our world is defined by weak males, which in the viewpoint we take means a male who is incapable of fending for himself (and weaker people around him: children and females) in a non-techno-capitalistic (taken in a general sense) environment. The world is ripe with such entities. Indeed, even a brief glance at popular contemporary websites such as Twitter, FaceBook, Reddit and Nintendo confirms this view. Weak males congregate all around these websites, creating their little communities where any meaningful male bonding is made irrelevant by homogenization of all acceptable modes of interaction and vapid over-socialization (that is, if it is not entirely suppressed). The weak male does not accept on himself yoke of nature to look and behave in a certain manner, as the chain of males passing down this traditional knowledge was broken in his case; the weak male lacks awareness of the steps necessary to rectify this huge loss. We may notice that he is akin to an automaton wandering mindlessly around his air-conditioned office, oblivious to his own stature in this life. If clean-shaven, his features often look extremely effeminate; thus he inevitably follows the male imperative to grow out a beard, which in a normal male would mask some of the undesirable femininity. But because we are dealing with a fundamentally broken entity, the beard does not suit him and does not serve its traditional purpose as a signifier of masculinity and certain experience in the ways of this world, be that of a learned sage or an epic and skilled warrior. The beard he sprouts is formless, that of a perpetual boy, capturing nothing of his character; not only because such a thing is not anywhere to be found within the weak male, but because he is not even conscious of the subtle social implications a particular style of beard may carry. This total state of obliviousness extends to everything about him, and is the mark he shall bear for his transgression against the yoke of nature.

It is now necessary to describe briefly the opposition their mere existence necessarily catalyzes. Henceforth, the weak male shall be referred to as a "onions boy", for reasons made clear later. For now we will only say that the gendered label of "male" isn't strictly applicable in their case [explain later].


(cont.)

>>14540984

-- Onions boys and their lies


The following is an earnest onions boy speaking his mind about Dr. Theodore J. Kaczynski's treatise "Industrial Society and Its Future" [1] on the web-site GoodReads [2].

- "The right wing still spouts most of the anti-left rhetoric within this manifesto. I'd say half of the manifesto is an anti-leftist screed and the other is a call for a back-to-nature screed advocating the elimination of technology and the industrial age so we can retain our freedom for the sake of freedom itself."

Here the onions boy demonstrates a profound hatred of all things anti-technology and all things "anti-left wing". This is no coincidence, for a highly technologized state of general being is necessary for the mass creation and sustenance of onions boys. Erosion of the natural countermeasures against the rise of the onions boy phenomenon can only happen when enough chains of tradition passing down the male spirit are broken en masse. This can only happen under extreme technological advances leading to the "rise" of materialistic "well-being" as the only valid goal in life, thus leading to the immediate destruction of all instituitions which were able to pass down this knowledge unaltered and with proper intentions. A constantly professed love for "science" (which mostly means learning various irrelevant factoids about all branches of science from websites such as Wikipedia [3] without delving deeply into any one of them) is then seen to be a natural consequence of everything noticed so far.

- "The dribble against 'collectivist' anti-freedom loving leftist who are mostly feminist, 'gayist' (he seemed to not like gay rights), and political correctist was no deeper than what one could read on any of the alt-right blogs today. The leftist won't stop at just putting labels on cigarettes or eliminating spanking they want to take away all of our freedoms he will claim. (I really despised when a teacher would hit me when I was growing up. I, for one, am glad society no longer approves of hitting fellow human beings and by calling it spanking you don't lessen the fact that someone is being hit. Conservatives today long for the good old days when teachers and parents hit people, after all it "builds character" and it didn't do them any harm, and it made them the person they are today)."

(cont.)

>>14540988

We see here another common theme, an adamant yet passive-agressive (notice the "seemed", when his opponent's position is clear and the "seemed" is not needed) support of the so-called "gay rights", a position Dr. T. J. Kaczynski argues [1] has been traditionally seen as abhorrent and was a disaster for humanity. We also notice a story from his childhood where he displayed weakness and was unable to do anything about it. It torments him to this day, for he does not understand that the teacher just wanted to instill some morals in him, so he interprets the spanking as "abuse" and "hitting fellow human beings", thinking that merely being human gives him the right to disobey his elders trying to teach him some discipline. This is a very feminine behaviour in nature. A female will naturally turn to asking for protection from a male figure who acts as the sole rightful judge of her conduct, this usually being the father, a brother, or the husband (if a traditional society with a young age of marriage is concerned). The onions boy of course does not have a father, so the over-socialized technological society will need to act as his shield from all such "hitting of fellow human beings" and other "icky" behaviour, and he is glad whenever it puts down such malicious actors who just want the best for him.

- "I hate what conservatives believe. The author's thought on one half of the manifesto meshed into modern conservative thought and had no more depth than what Donald Trump is capable of believing. The manifesto states colleges are a hot bed of collectivist politically correct thought and freedom is squashed by the leftist (he uses that word, or socialist, but not democrat or liberal). It's the typical kind of crap I read in the editorial section of the WSJ on a daily basis."

A meaningless and unsubstantiated display of childish hatred followed by the inevitable mention of a US President. Denial of objective reality on the basis of it being mentioned in the editorial section of some journal he dislikes. This is the most common mode of operation one will find a onions boy in, for it takes the least effort and allows him to reap all the "bounty" by quickly marking targets for his fellow technologized and gamified "brethren" to pile onto the target.

(cont.)

Please tell me you aren't actually considering admitting this.

>>14540990

- "The other half of the manifesto is a screed against technology and a cry for freedom. Freedom is an ultimate good for him and technology stands in its way. He seemed to me to have a whole lot of over lap with the post "Being and Time" Heidegger on the evils of technology. The author really wants to have created a world like in the TV show I used to watch called "Revolution" where nanobots have destroyed all vestiges of modernity and he wants to do anything that is possible to put us back to his Rousseauian paradise. "

Incoherent ramblings about trivia books he read and TV shows he watched. This goes back to our point about them collecting points by reading WikiPedia [2] articles and not really bettering themselves in any way from it. We also notice a high level of agitation upon even hearing technology painted in a less-than-positive light. Technologization of every facet of life is core to his entire being, so he will try to defend it any chance he gets like the righteous and "progressed" person he is.

- "One can tell from this document itself that the author is alienated. Also, I'm a mathematician, and it was obvious to me that the author of the manifesto would have been a mathematician (it's easy to say that in hindsight and I already knew that he was a mathematician), the way he described things and how he would include mathematics in his analysis was an obvious red flag. "

He makes fun of alienated people, not realizing that some of the most intelligent thinkers to ever live were alienated and otherwise isolated either for social or religious reasons. He would also see insult as a denial of their "human rights" if confronted with anyone not of his ilk acting the same way. He mentions irrelevant credentials obtained by browsing WikiPedia [2], and since the school system is so technologized and dehumanized and his family so non-existent, there was no authority figure to properly explain to him that merely knowing a couple of "interesting" factoids about a field or a craft does not make him a craftsman or an expert in that field. He displays an irrational hatred for Dr. T. J. Kaczynski's use of his deep expertise in the field of mathematics to elucidate his points, even though the onions boy did precisely the same thing right before writing that.

- "I didn't actually read this document. I listened to it by putting it in to natural read app on my Iphone. I have no idea how any one but an anti-equality, anti-modernity, or a modern day conservative could get anything of value from this Brietbart news like screed against leftist and not even they could get past the complete destruction of technology and modernity for the hypothetical return of the ideal state envisioned by the author. "

His review culminates in expounding with full conviction the onions boy creed: "there is no God but technology, modernity, equality."

>>14540991
Yes.

>>14540993
To where and what degree

>>14540991
*submitting
I haven't slept all night

>>14540984
Oops. Missed a part.

The hold of the Deceiver on this world is strong, but that does not preclude many people from escaping and even denying his grasp. Such people will naturally notice the onions boy problem and start presenting their final solution; how could they not, with the pernicious depth of the problem? Indeed, many of them even predicted the fire before it rose. The reader may ask, why do we not see these thinkers campaigning in the streets as the onions boys do about various issues that concern them? As we shall see, this opposition is an opposition in the precise sense of "negation" of the most important qualities the onions boy holds: vapid over-socialization and need to gather video-game-like points for behaving in line with what the current state of the world dictates. For this reason, the opposition will not reveal itself clearly to all, for it must remain hidden so as to not get corrupted immediately by the pernicious influence of even a single drop of onions emanating from the presence of a onions boy amongst their midst. The opposition, representing the denial of over-socialization, gathers on anonymous bulletin boards dedicated to various seemingly disparate niche interests. (We shall not name these gathering places in accordance with the wishes of our sources.) This, and an extremely xenophobic culture of despising external onions boy influence ensures the perpetual filtering out of any stray onions boy that might have entered the channel. What if a onions boy remains a mere spectator and tries to subvert their operations from outside, might a reader ask? Impossible. The onions boy cannot look into Truth for long, lest he be blinded. It is in the nature of the onions boy to close his eyes and heart to everything that opposes his rotten core.

We digress briefly to illustrate via a potent example what happens in case a onions boy happens upon Truth. This will also serve as a window into how their mind operates on the deepest level.

>>14540998
I don't want to get crucified by twitter onions mobs anon.

>>14541015
>I don't want to get crucified by twitter onions mobs anon.
You're not going to get doxxed by posting your degree anon

>>14540326
Master's thesis? I can't imagine your chair signed off on that.

>>14540998
Judging by the bait-worthy prose, my guess is the OP is getting a degree only in his imagination.

>>14540326
Maybe it's not about soi boys specifically, and I'm assuming you're not worried about using sources that aren't leftist.
>The War Against Boys by Christina Hoff Summers
>Why Gender Matters by Leonard Sax
>Meditations by Marcus Aurelius
>The Female Brain by Louann Brizendine

Do you have an outline yet?

Also, the open mouth smiling specifically is a phenomenom, also known as the "fear grimace" in chimps, that exists in all primates. It's a way to show that they aren't a threat out of desperation and fear. There's a video of a white dude walking past a group of black people and out of instinct, he yawns to make himself seem like less of a threat. (Sort of the) Same thing.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A1024947801843
https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/830137
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2555422/
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1439-0310.2004.01045.x
https://chimpsnw.org/2013/09/chimpanzee-smiles/

>>14540459
It's better to be single than submissive.

>>14540503
got eem

>>14541051
The black kids play the knockout game and punch him in the back of the head, btw.

>>14541050
I suspected that but that's a lot of fucking effort for bait

>>14541050
I'm going to insert an introduction with some bait about how I actually support equality and all and hint that the rest is satire, with the prose getting more and more clearly un-satirical over time.

>>14541069
Fair, but I have some experience with undergraduate and graduate theses, and OP won't be seeing a degree with this level of work (never mind the complete lack of even secondary sources).

>>14541079
>secondary sources

>>14541079
>never mind the complete lack of even secondary sources
is the unabomber not a good enough source for you?

>>14541084
My point being, oh poor reader, is that the OP hasn't done any research to build a historiography, literature review, etc. on his research topic. I'd be legitimately worried about his chances to graduate, except that mess of a thesis is almost certainly a spirited bait.

>>14541079
Only midwits refer to external works. The true /lit/-intellectual writes only self-contained works of pure scholarship.

>>14541098
>historiography
>literature review

>>14541089
That would sorta depend on how you'd be using him. A theoretical apparatus built off Kaczynski's writing would constitute paltry ethos, but I could see him cited as a research subject or as part of an inductive introduction.

>>14541079
4 primary sources and a secondary source in >>14541051

>>14541051
Thanks for these. Meme-worthy references would be fine too, I'll find a way to incorporate them into text briefly just to cite them.

>>14541117
Sure, but those aren't part of the thesis.

>>14541114
>A theoretical apparatus built off Kaczynski's writing would constitute paltry ethos,
Why is academia so cucked?

>>14540898
Those three parfait guys are cool

>>14540326
Le avventure di Cipollino

OP please for the love of god keep this thread alive and show us your correspondence with your advisor if you are actually enough of a mad lad to submit this shit.

>>14540326
Cultural takeover by the usual suspects. Read some Gramsci.

>>14540480
The ruling class always lived comfortable lives, they weren't all sissies.

>>14540326
That guy in the back isn't feeling it.

>>14541295
Which one?

>>14540459
>and I, despite my best efforts, remain alone

Getting a "Supreme Gentleman" vibe, bro.

anon this is very poor and far too opinionated. it may be ok for vietnamese soulless basket internet forum, but not as a decent academic work.

There's no literature I know of, but if you really are writing about this, here's my take on it:

White guys don't really have a viable culture anymore. They have no way to distinguish themselves, and becoming sóyboy hipsters is (sadly) the "coolest" low-effort thing to be that cannot be considered to be "cultural appropriation."

>>14540326
you mean "onions" boys?

>>14540326
There's no such thing it's just projection. Probably the best explanation would be the Scurvamites in Lot49 ;)

>>14541314
was this photo ironic? i can't imagine someone seriously fucking taking such a picture of themselves.

In "Thus Spoke Zarathustra" Nietzsche directly predicts the duckrollboy phenomenon when he discusses the "last man".

They are conformists at their core. Imagine the white version of a jew. This is the kind of guy that will mask his entire personality to fit in to a friend group. These people are not having a good time and their relationships are rapidly falling apart. If you meet anyone like this, watch your back because they are the biggest kiss asses to whoever them deem as being able to advance their lives or keep them from being lonely. They are the date rapists.

>>14541564

jews are white

>>14540326
thesis about onions boys? that sums up the current state of the humanities i suppose

>>14540326
based deleuze

>>14540407
>a while longer
understatement

>>14540469
it's subconscious vampirism, not measuring teeth with a ruler

>>14540486
based and spenglerpilled

>>14540459
Well you see you massive faggot, have broad social circles, while you at best have a few mates you've known since high school or uni, plus your online "friends." They scramble to the tops of their little social pyramids of funko pops and a24 pictures and are rewarded with the women of their social circles for proving their ability to clamor.

there was some greek writer about how to destroy a different tribe that they conquered by feminizing their youth or something like that, forgot the guy

>>14541777
Madeupocles.

I find Bowden's comment on how the masculine face changed after the invention of photography to be insightful.
https://youtu.be/84xdiYmSo-Y

>>14540362
>one particular physical trait gets you laid
ok

>>14541917
nobody tell him

>>14540326
Can you imagine actually being a part of this social group? Being expected to take photos like this?

>>14541969
i wish i had friends even if they were like that

>>14541978
friends are overrated, it's just awkward conversations and small talk and wondering if your autism is bothering them
i've ghosted pretty much all of my friends at this point and honestly i'm happier than i've ever been

>>14541580
Maybe in skin

I've never heard the term onions boy, even on the web I've only seen onions boy. Change your main term to not sounds obnoxious OP, so not soi boi either. Make up a more intelligent sounding one.

>>14542004
>it's just awkward conversations and small talk and wondering if your autism is bothering them
those were not friends

>>14540326
Really hope you aren't writing a thesis based on a fucking caricature created by the delusions and projections of a bunch of incels on a pakistani go-kart tuning forum. Either way, this phenomenon is really more of a result of consumerism than the erosion of traditional values.

>>14542113
>on a pakistani go-kart tuning forum
Did you watch Dakar yesterday anon?

>>14542113
But if you are actually going to do this you should lump incels in with them. There is really no difference between soîboys and incels aside from their respective worldviews.

>>14542117
I did not

>>14542125
Then this joke has reached it's peak.

>>14542121
>There is really no difference between soîboys and incels aside from their differences
Stunning AND brave.

>>14540326
"Alas, the time is coming when man will no longer give birth to a star. Alas, the time of the most despicable man is coming, he that is no longer able to despise himself. Behold, I show you the last man.
'What is love? What is creation? What is longing? What is a star?' thus asks the last man, and blinks.
The earth has become small, and on it hops the last man, who makes everything small. His race is as ineradicable as the flea; the last man lives longest.
'We have invented happiness,'say the last men, and they blink. They have left the regions where it was hard to live, for one needs warmth. One still loves one's neighbor and rubs against him, for one needs warmth...
One still works, for work is a form of entertainment. But one is careful lest the entertainment be too harrowing. One no longer becomes poor or rich: both require too much exertion. Who still wants to rule? Who obey? Both require too much exertion.
No shepherd and one herd! Everybody wants the same, everybody is the same: whoever feels different goes voluntarily into a madhouse.
'Formerly, all the world was mad,' say the most refined, and they blink...
One has one's little pleasure for the day and one's little pleasure for the night: but one has a regard for health.
'We have invented happiness,' say the last men, and they blink."

>>14542212
The differences are superficial. Most of the traits one would use to describe the prototypical soíboy could be applied to the average incel. Their reactions to consumer society are different, but the end result is pretty much the same.

>>14540898
>liking anything with sugar
you're definitely a faggot, unironically

>>14542004
You've never had real friends.

>>14541444
why do you people always do this bullshit where you pretend you, literally you, don't exist? It was attempted with "social justice warriors" despite the fact they (you) literally called themselves (yourself) that until they (you) realized people didn't like them (you). You realize that claiming you don't exist doesn't make people stop thinking you're an annoying fag right?

>>14542121
what do you believe the word "incel" means?

>>14540326

That mouth agape expression is just the bugman's mimicking female solipsistic vapidity. Females make the same expression when they are with their female friends. The same way they all assume the hand-on-hip, side stance when posing for a picture. Bugmen assume many female behaviors because they are essentially cuckolds. They are pro female to the abnegation of their own masculine instinct, if they had any. This is why they are consumers of pop culture, of pop cuisine, why they talk and reason like females, etc.

Nigga, this isn't a male thing. Women remain little children as well and it's just as disappointing. It is the continued dominance of consumer culture that just manifests itself differently.

>>14542376
>but the end result is pretty much the same.
I disagree. The söy feels motivated, and in so far as they do manage to spread themselves to a future generation, will shape humanity towards the angler fish fate - both the female and the male.
The incel, on the other hand, may just drag the world to a much needed extinction before submitting to a fate like that.

>>14540469

>>14541675
You're wrong about me. I have no friends. You'd think women would like that about a guy.

>>14542212
>>14542440
>>14542556
Whether or not you agree that they are the same, OP should still expand his thesis to encompass both incels and soíboys, or focus on neither in particular and write about how consumer culture and the ingernet is chruning out socially isolared and emotionally stunted man-children (and women in some cases. Nobody is going to take a thesis on a fucking meme seriously.

>>14542395
We can stay up late, swapping manly stories, and in the morning, I'm making waffles!

Any literature that discusses this phenomenon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iptUNUFdyas

>>14543511
That's just being an IT person.

>>14540326
I can't think of anything specifically about nu-males. But you could relate it to other things. You could try and relate it to Hermann Hesse's characters. You could look at it from a Marxian standpoint and say that consumerism is a coping mechanism for societal alienation. You could look at it from a gender/romantic standpoint and try to explain why there are so few quality men. If you're a rightist, like me, I would argue that they grow out of an existential void that creates large swathes of purposeless men, and try to argue for some psycho-political method of redeeming them.

There's a lot to talk about. There just isn't much that has been written about betas. Going after consumerists and the like is much easier, but the nu-male archetype is a synthesis of several different archetypes.

>>14543236
Söy is one monolith, incel is a spectrum.
>All the aspies, autists etc. who simply can't fit in
>The uglies (bad DNA) with no redeemable characteristics
>Addicts, porn, video games etc.
>Military conscripts in the ongoing information war, who get smeared and opposed by institutions enough for women to feel unsafe (a critical threshold value for women)
..and the mix of these. The bottom two could easily get sex if they started managing their lives, but the top two are completely useless to women and others. If you're a heretic in the age of mass psychology and sociology, you'll fall for the eugenics plan.
The söy is the product, the incel may be the reject.

>>14543511
I don't think he's a söyboy. The literature that discusses that is Marx. That's the result of alienation.

>>14542004
>awkward conversations and small talk
are you a woman? or were your friends nu-males? sound like they weren't real friends.

I don't think is a terrible subject, but it is far too biased for an academic work. Considering this phenomenon is new in its understanding, it really depends how open minded your professor is. Try focusing more on capitalism, alienation, consumerism, materialism, cultivated identity and the deification of leisure. If you're feeling confident, throw in post-left critiques in their as well.

>>14544057
*there
kill me

>>14540984
> the weak male lacks awareness of the steps necessary to rectify this huge loss

Assuming the conclusion, it's not a loss because that assumes there's something to return to: the new environment is permanent.

In the age of the tractor, the team of 200 men with plows plow becomes obsolete by one automotive. In the digital age, the society of 150 million males becomes obsolete by a few layers of layered silicon and wire.

You will never outwork-the computer (we lost this fight in 1698), cannot out-think the computer (we lost this fight in 1997) and already today, in an era of drone and ICBM technology, cannot outfight the computer.

All that remains is for the machine to out-strategize you, after which, it will thereafter outlive you.

Those who design the successors will control the future, and designers are invariably the 'weak males' you cast aside: they saw the writing on the wall decades in advance, and recognized correctly that a few pounds of hardened muscle and a desire to return to basics of patriarchal masculinity would be as regressive and futile as the Boxer Rebellion, believing spiritual dedication to martial arts can make you immune to the weapons of war.

These old ways, too will disappear, and your post is the equivalent of saying the team with the higher score in football didn't win, because you hate them: weak, desperate, and grasping at straws. Better luck next time.

>>14540984
Good lord, look at their confusion and disgust at this moron's consumerist escapades

>>14540459
Dont for a second try to look outward and drag others into the bucket with you like the other anons who replied to you
Just having self worth and good habits/hobbies, as well as being emotionally available and confident go a loooong ways. Not to mention these are qualities you should seek out regardless

>>14541389
What you mean is that the ethnostate of America was destroyed and that's a good thing

>>14542004
*sigh*

>>14544742
You're falling for a redd*t troll you pathetic subhuman

>>14544742
>the ethnostate of America was destroyed and that's a good thing
you realize the entire reason this happened in the first place is because rich people wanted to import cheap labor to make themselves richer, right? why do you defend these people, and why do you do it for free?

>>14540362
A stripper once complimented me on my fangs. Later that night I got wasted and she proceeded to steal all of my money.

>>14541280
>Onions grin
As a participant in the real world I'm not really with you guys on these acidic social theories, but I'll be damned if that shit wasn't funny

>>14544892
Wtf i guess
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Gets corrected on this board, that explains a lot of this thread

>>14542262
The truth. I am the one with a regard for heat. I can't hate myself because it doesn't really make sense to suffer for things I already did. I feel curiously normal, bland, a non identity that refuses to partake in actions that requires a character built by social constructions. I am just a cell contributing to a much broader(and possibly infinite) system.

>>14544191
How can anyone fall for the
>technology will replace everyone
bullshit. The contemporary West is so inept we struggle with the basic maintenance of our infrastructure. Can't clean the streets nor (timely) repair the roads. Everything is going downhill and there will be no robots to conquer us, rescue us, or whatever.

>>14544899
fuck off newfaggot. Lurk moar and stop posting.

>>14544899
>complains about "acidic social theories"
>doesn't know the most recent site-wide word filter
m8

>>14540326
read "the feminist" in n+1. I thought it was a pretty good rendition of the average kind of guy youre looking for. you can discard the concluding chapter as most of these "onions boy" s are in their 20s and early 30s

>>14544927
>The contemporary West is so inept we struggle with the basic maintenance of our infrastructure.
It is not prioritized because such projects are expensive in the short term, and only bear fruits 10-20 years in the future. It takes a large-minded political administration to approve projects which will outlast them. We don't have one of those right now.

>there will be no robots to conquer us, rescue us, or whatever.
Robots don't need to conquer you, you're thinking in terms of Hollywood when you need to think in terms of your school or job. Revolutionary changes happen in the workplace, not the war room.
>If you work in an office shuffling papers from point A to point B, you are an inefficiency that AI and automation will handily cut down.
>If you work on a small or medium sized farm, or construction site, or other job involving moving objects from point A to point B, manual laborers are expensive, don't want to work all night, need shift changes and breaks, demand things like salaries, vacations, insurance, and fair, nondiscriminatory treatment. International labor is the temporary patch to support business while this machine labor gets off the ground in America as its cheaper replacement.
>If you work at a school, video-recorded lectures and their easy distribution will ultimately replace your professor, as it is far easier to pay a professor once to teach a course, record it, play it back forever, and have the professors focus on research and grants, with underpaid grad students answering questions.

At no point will robots with guns PHYSICALLY destroy you, guns and bullets are expensive and lives are cheap. But, your job is not long for this world, and you will ultimately be the obsolete precursor to the immortal, sensing, grasping, working, and thinking machines we will create.

There will be no notable job left for you, besides perhaps creative ones, but even then, you see signs like https://play.aidungeon.io/ hinting at a future where this, too, is managed by AI, and will be good enough for most. People still consuming human creativity will do so as an affectation and hipster interest, once there actually is a choice between comparable "robot" vs "human" output, because the robot input's going to be WAY cheaper, more plentiful, and (ultimately) better.

The only people who will succeed in this structure are capital, and the "weak male" who will, for some brief time (50-200 years prior to obsolescence), service the machines.

>>14541280
The ruling classes made ritualized shows of masculinity and roughness. Such as hunting parties among the English royalty, horseback riding (which carries some risk) jousting, fencing. The Prussian Junker class actively embraced a harsh martinet existence despite being wealthy and landed

>>14544927
Not that anon, but you act like it hasn't happened in mass before. Look up the invention of the tractor and how it fucked millions of people out of there job where they came crawling to the city. Machine Learning will cause something like that again, only this time the city's will be full.

>>14545304
Fine I'll play along just for fun (in spite of being 100% positive that the ai revolution is a pipe dream). So, 90%+ of the jobs become obsolete, and what happens? For whom are goods being produced if nobody has any purchase power? Or will the government hand us monthly checks until the selected few just kill off the masses? What about democracy? Will people not be able to vote against the use of robots if they are all unemployed? These are just a few questions on the top of my head, but you get the idea.

>>14545334
The analogy is flawed because the implication of ai is that pretty much every job will be automated and (almost) nobody will have a job. There is no historical precedent to such a scenario.

>>14544933
>>14544931
Calm down I've been on this board for years I'm just normally discussing things with actual substance and not a bunch of Xpill theories bitching about the society they're not a part of

>>14544846
You made yourself that vulnerable. You absolutely have to be white and a fucking liberal.

>>14540326
Literally predicted by Neech.

>>14540326
The left-bourgeoisie have been for two or three generations engaged in the impossible work of reconciling the values of capitalist production-- conformity, hard-workingness, social asceticism, appearance-building, desire for power, etc-- with the imperatives of tolerance which grew out of the Civil rights movement and the societal collapse of the 60's.

They're failing, because these values are impossible to reconcile. Bourgeois values are deeply rooted in hate, and shaving off the aesthetic elements of conservatism which traditionally cling to them merely results in more palatable fascism-- ie, regressivism.

These regressives are chopping off as many elements of their ideology as they can in an attempt to fit it into the frame of tolerance and human brotherhood. They've destroyed almost every element which they used to identify with masculinity, and therefore bourgeois men must now painfully contort themselves around the rules of their society in order to feed the underlying lust for power which is the true core of bourgeois life. The cuckface is a statement of "Please don't hurt me, I promise I am not threatening". It disguises an aggression which is ultimately very masculine by wrapping it in as innocent and childlike an aesthetic sensibility as possible. Hitler has not only disguised himself as an Argentinian, but as an Argentinian shoe-shine boy, in a futile attempt to disguise the fact that, for all that he pretends to be woke, he still dreams every night of raping women and murdering jews.

>>14545560
>palatable fascism
No. It is not fascism, and it is not palatable.

>>14542004
let me tell you anon. Those werent your friends and probably they felt as awkward as you

>>14545560
The reason so many of you are single while these disgusting cucks have girlfriends is that the lust for power is the most basic prerequisite for success in bourgeois life. So much so, in fact, that they will assume you are simply adept at hiding your desires if they cannot detect such a lust within you, and will view you as deceitful because of it.

Bourgeois women only allow themselves to be attracted to bourgeois men, because they do not yet recognize that bourgeois gender roles have collapsed sufficiently that they need no longer act in a traditionally feminine way in the dating market. They go after men with a lust for power-- incidentally, this actually means that a certain brand of cuckface basedboy is going to clean house with these women, becuase such men are the most removed from self-assurance and most crave control over other people-- because they do not understand that carrying this lust within themselves is sufficient for success in the modern world.

Bourgeois women have exceedingly little success finding partners for the long term, because they pick men with whom they are in competition, rather than those who would compliment their lifestyles.

Incidentally, non-bourgeois women do not have this problem. The ideal women for nonconformist, self-assured men who don't value success or an active life, ie
/lit/erati, are grown by the bushel in Arkansas, Illinois, Wisconsin. These women don't see a desire for power or success as a positive, and are willing to entertain a man who operates in the traditionally feminine space of self-assurance and cultivation. However, as the bourgeoisie maintain an iron grasp of the country's academic resources, these women are rarely well enough educated to make tolerable company.

>>14543819
The thing about incels, the top ones can have a place in society if it weren't for the sites they browse mindlessly making them fall into a big rabbit hole

>>14545577
It is absolutely fascism. The left is the largest repository of fascism in the modern era, since the right has broken free of it and descended into populism. Fascism was the animating force of capitalism, and was therefore the dominant strain in this country until the late sixties, when capitalism began its decline.

The reason America didn't go full nazi when Germany did is because we have a repository of individualists in our rural interior who refuse to bend to the will of the majority. Fascism is what happens when you put a bunch of mutton in a pressure cooker and tell it that the pressure is coming from the jews.

>>14541015
Submit to /litquarterly/?

>>14545591
Despite my comfortable existance in Denver, I wonder how different life would be if I knocked up multiple women with basic high school educations.

>>14545496
>So, 90%+ of the jobs become obsolete, and what happens?
No one currently knows, and the answer to this question will define what it means to live in 2030-2050.

My expectation is the default option which happens in most impoverished nations, today: nobody really agrees on what should be done, nobody does anything or all actions ultimately cancel out, and things just get worse slowly. A few very rich people living on vast compounds are tended to servants working for sustenance wages (because the labor market is so over-saturated), and everyone else lives meagerly or in abject poverty.

The first hints you'd see of this poverty beginning to squeeze would likely be among the precarious: among the ill, among those who don't have a career yet and aren't yet in stable living conditions, and among the poorest workers.

A quick thought: what are some of the biggest hot button issues of the last decade?
>medical expenses
>student loan debt
>migrant labor
But, that's probably just coincidence, right?

>For whom are goods being produced if nobody has any purchase power?
You've assumed the goods are produced for your purchase, this certainly is not the case even today in countries like Indonesia, China, and Vietnam.

Ruthless calculus: all you technically need to survive each day is a liter of non-saline water, a multivitamin served with 1600 calories of cheap foodstuff, and a room to sleep in kept warm enough that you don't freeze to death overnight. It's not much of a life, but there's a wide range of lives between
>post-scarcity future where robots cater to all of your physical, sexual, emotional, and personal needs, freeing you and all humans from the yoke of labor and catapulting us into a golden age of art and science
and the
>Everyone shares lukewarm rooms, gets oatmeal-plus-vitamins, and a minimum-necessary water-ration
lifestyle.

But you're getting SOMETHING on that scale, and the default option is much closer to the oatmeal.

>Until the selected few just kill off the masses?
Lives are cheap, bullets and guns are expensive. The good news is no one's coming for you. The bad news is no one's coming for you.

>What about democracy?
Will be ineffectual unless used in the near future. Market forces and AI will put it under increasing strain, and depending on your view of outrage culture, already are ruining politics. It will either be made to accommodate ocietal change, caused this time by AI and robotic's supremacy - or it'll have to face those things unprepared. Historically, this means tyrants.

>Will people not be able to vote against the use of robots if they are all unemployed?
People generally don't vote against slow moving catastrophes. They're too easy to ignore, and throwing money at obscuring the issues works too well and is too strongly incentivized for those winning from robotics. This is why the default option is my expectation.

You've said, roughly,
>But if that happens, lots of bad things could happen!
Answer: yes.

>writing your thesis on a fucking meme that's probably going to die in two years

>>14542395
Well someone didn't get the joke. You gotta check yourself before you shrek yourself m8.

>>14545603
>It is absolutely fascism.
Again, no, it's capitalism. This is a liberal value. There is no way around this. The often simplistic solutions the political class peddle to those upscale leftists you're referring to reflect fascism in no single aspect or regard, either.
>Fascism was the animating force of capitalism, and was therefore the dominant strain in this country until the late sixties, when capitalism began its decline.
Capitalism has crushed all alternatives so far. I don't think this can be disputed either.
>The reason America didn't go full nazi when Germany did is because we have a repository of individualists in our rural interior who refuse to bend to the will of the majority
As of the last 3-4 years, perhaps. It wasn't always like this. Many thought that anti-authority spirit in them was dead. Accelerationists think it ought to be, or might as well be.
>Fascism is what happens when you put a bunch of mutton in a pressure cooker and tell it that the pressure is coming from the jews
You have probably the most subverted, boomer tier understanding of capitalism and fascism I've seen since the debates the other night. Italian fascism was much more long-standing and Mussolini only adopted the anti-jew stance when he had no other choice politically, very late in the stages of fascism, which is dead and utterly so. Jews were a practical enemy for the German political leadership for many reasons, social and otherwise, but mostly because they could be associated with the most pressing issues of Germany at the time which came from the problem of international finance and the complexities of monetary policy after WWI. The Germans would have likely won if not for international finance manipulating mostly isolationist countries from joining the allied forces. This was all to save their bottom line, and countries like the US, who had no stake in WWI otherwise were told there would be an economic depression when (not if) Britain lost the war. Unfortunately for the US and the world, international finance (a force of capitalism) then crashed the global economy just over a decade later and caused the great depression.

Fascism though has no coherent economic policy that I can decipher, aside from wanting to create a schism in international finance and free the nations from usury (which is similar to Marx's ultimate goal of a new materialism). Fascists at least have social and aesthetic goals far beyond themselves, look at the work of Arno Breker for reference. Does that look like something an American liberal would celebrate or contribute to publicly? .If you consider American liberals to be fascist when they have no explicit or even implicitly fascist goals, you are deluded. And if they consider this palatable they are truly fucking insane.

>>14545738
You accuse me of having a shallow read, when you're confusing "capitalism" the set of cultural values with "capitalism" the economic system.

You haven't really said anything worth arguing about. You've just listed a bunch of ways in which your own semantic definition of fascism doesn't match the manner in which I've used it, like that actually effects the substance of what I had to say. It's obvious when I say "capitalism was fascistic" that I'm saying that the cultural forces which animated capitalism were sufficiently similar to that which animated fascism that the two can be considered the same set of values, and that either fascism is an intensification of "neoliberalism" or that "neoliberalism" is a dilution of fascism.

A materialist reading of the history of the 20th century is liable to use "capitalism" and "liberalism" interchangeably, because such an outlook views values as no more than the sum of their underlying economic parts.

But you've ignored all this to trot out the same, "hurr durr, you don't even know what fascism is" argument, wrapped up in the same arbitrarily selected historical details. The bourgeois always try to hide behind semantics and historical details, because they recognize that their lifestyles are indefensible when they are addressed honestly.

It's boring, frankly. It's boring watching you people again and again quibble about terms in a vain attempt to fend off the thorough critiques of your lifestyle which hover like the sword of damocles above your thick fucking skulls.

>>14541280
>the kid is the one that looks more mature of the three
kek

>>14545335
what does the invention of tractors have to do with the inability to maintain basic infrastructure?

>>14545603
>It is absolutely fascism. The left is the largest repository of fascism in the modern era, since the right has broken free of it and descended into populism.
wtf are you talking about? fascism has always been a purely democratic phenomena

>>14540326
It's just another attempt to mock and berate liberals

>>14540500
I have never seen higher levels of COPE in my life and I can't tell if it's a troll

>>14546131
Devotion of the party to the whims of the people, rather than of the people to the whims of the party. It's the individualist opposite of fascism, which is rooted in conformity. Trump panders to his constituency, rather than exhorting his constituency to pander to him.

>>14545603
>The reason America didn't go full nazi when Germany did is because we have a repository of individualists in our rural interior who refuse to bend to the will of the majority.
What the fuck

>>14544927
We maintain the infrastructure that's important. Bridges and roads in the Rust Belt aren't important. Bridges and roads are barely important as it is. In five years the only ones that will matter will be the private ones owned by Amazon et al. to ferry their employees to their campuses.

>>14545496
Those without jobs will die in the streets. Purchasing power for the masses is ultimately unimportant to economic growth, as the current neoliberal moment has shown.

>>14546586
>In five years the only ones that will matter will be the private ones owned by Amazon et al. to ferry their employees to their campuses.
based and burgerpunkpilled

>>14546592
when was the last time you saw anybody starve in burgerland?

>>14546615
People starve or die of exposure in burgerland all the time. Don't believe propaganda.

>>14546622
show me one (1) picture of a skinny homeless guy in america

>>14546629

>>14546634
>Among 5,632 homeless adults, the mean BMI was 28.4 kg/m2 and the prevalence of obesity was 32.3 %. Only 1.6 % of homeless adults were underweight. Compared to mean BMI in NHANES (28.6 kg/m2), the difference was not significant in unadjusted analysis (p=0.14). Adjusted analyses predicting BMI or likelihood of obesity also showed that the homeless had a weight distribution not statistically different from the general population. Although underweight has been traditionally associated with homelessness, this study suggests that obesity may be the new malnutrition of the homeless in the United States.
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3531350/

>>14546654
You realize these data say nothing about whether homeless people die of starvation or exposure in burgerland, right?

>>14546634
>>14546654
the "people are dying from hunger" on the streets meme works well to mobilize people, but it's retarded to approach the homeless issue like that in 2020, the problem of most of those people is that they lack structure and safety in life, that they can't form stable and secure human relationships and there's no place for them to do it, throwing money and food at them will solve nothing

>>14546659
>exposure
never spoke about that
>die of starvation
you don't die of starvation when you are 98.4% overweight

>>14546660
I never brought up homelessness as some bleeding heart entreaty against automation. The question posed in >>14545496 was what will happen if 90 percent of jobs become obsolete, to which I responded, somewhat pithily, that anyone without a job will die on the street. Of course, they may just as well live on the street. The point being that, even approaching 100 percent automation, people without jobs will become homeless, at least in burgerland. There is and will be no political will to prevent this, and I'm not trying to change that. I'm merely stating what I see to be the situation moving forward.

>>14546664
You're proceeding from the claim that homeless people don't die of starvation in America. This is false, and your data do not substantiate the claim. They have nothing to do with the claim, and your attempt to extrapolate from the data is meager. Yes, the American homeless population is fat, and you know what, bully for you, starvation is pretty low on the list of causes of death, but next time, don't just go find the first pubmed link that looks good. Actually think.

>>14546711
framing the issue of homelessness in america around starvation when most homeless people are fat is a retarded way to frame the issue and will do nothing to improve those people's lives and probably just make clueless people feel good by throwing money and food at them

>>14540326
I dunno if anyone else has posted something like this, but they - like incels, beta males etc - are the result of generations of some kind of entity slowly grating away at the spirit and health of human beings. Maybe its just the result of the zeitgeist of rapid progression, consumption, idleness and carefree attitudes typically seen by the middle class in the west. the parents of these people are weak, and their parents were weak. Maybe weak people have just been enabled, maybe they became weak due to bad GMO food, xeno-estrogens, plastics and psychological torture aka psychological warefare, wittiling down of masculinity, destruction of the need for the man to provide, the sexual revolution and its 'empowerment' of women, selfish and indulgent mothers, absent fathers- just to name a few. All of us are genetically damaged, anyone born past the mid century 20th century is genetically damaged, but especially these bug men who were coddled by the golden age of the internet and media in the 90s and 2000's like the boomers were culturally in the 60s, 70s and even 80's. Coddled by their parents, fed all kinds of garbage, plastics, GMO food etc. Baby talked until adulthood by their parents, lack of self responsibility. As pathetic it is for guys to have 'man caves' (at least SOME masculinity) these are the sons of those kinds of men, and they have abandoned any shred of masculinity to the point where they are just homogenized human beings, barely men.

>>14540469
best teeth in the game

>>14546723
Most people aren't homeless. Get your cutfag cope away and let people criticize your nation.

>>14540469
that explains a lot

>>14546755
criticize in a smart way if you have any intention of solving the issues rather than just feeling self-righteous

>>14546756
Most women like it if you suck their fingers and let them touch your teeth.

>>14546728
I think it's the unfortunate consequence of what was wrong with the antecedents to this culture. A vain, narrow minded civilization of men descended from pederasts, bursting into unusual positions of political and technological power and using that to incredibly destructive effect - the consequence of this is the natural counterforce of shame.
It's like going out drunk one night, wrecking a house and hitting on all the girls, and then feeling hungover and embarrassed the next day.
White men have begun to disown their masculinity, in repentance. And indeed, minorities, not suffering the same issue, will enter the scene as superior competitors. This is not a Jewish conspiracy, it's the natural play of forces, all authored by the initial excessive negative activity of the preceding white civilization.
Men today are disillusioned and at a loss for guidance, because they've disowned the past and are afraid to filter out the helpful guiding parts. The bulk of masculinity comes from role models, and from engaging in masculine activities, of which civilization provides few. I don't think GMO food is the problem at all.

>>14546956
I believe what you’re talking about is in accordance with the lack of spirit which I think I mentioned - and you’re completely right. However usually the physical demeanour is the first indicator visually. Please don’t overlook genetic influences and the effect they can play on your character, just look at incels.
I believe that disproportionally the basedboy phenomenon typically effects men who are not really effeminate but severely lacking in any physically masculine traits. These guys probably get bullied in school and (without masculine role models) they just get the mummy and teacher to fix it and retain that attitude coupled with a intense suppressed self hatred into adulthood. I suppose I was a bit vulgar with the GMO food, but I hope you can see the merit in what I am trying to say.

>>14546956
if whites were demon spawn there's no reason why they'd switch over to guilt ridden hyper empaths "naturally".

>>14540407
>a while longer
>indefinitely

>>14541142
they are at the top of technological society

>>14541978
I'm your friend
>>14542004
the friendship that most bugmen have, sure. but true platonic companionship with other men, even just one or two, is good to have. unfortunately it's hard to find good pals who will stand by you.

>>14542520
>disappointing
thats how women have always been though

>>14546654
>>14546660
>what is a survivability bias

>>14545603
schizo

>>14545861
peak fucking pseud

>>14547200
I’m going to add to this by saying that I feel as though the idea that the basedboy archetype is effeminate is a massive misconception. Actually effeminate men have existed throughout history (Oscar Wilde, TE Lawrence, the entire Dandyism movement etc.) and none of them exhibited characteristics which basedboys do. Moreover, basedboys themselves do not consider themselves effeminate, but rather consider themselves masculine in a non toxically masculine way (this is why beards became a basedboy fashion staple, as beards=manly).

Put simply, basedboys are people who in lacking confidence have opted to become mediocre people pleasers rather than firmly asserting their own views. In a way, they’re the exact same as incels except that they’re ideological opposites and basedboys honestly get laid more by some virtue of them being more sociable (although the quality of lays they get is up for debate).

>>14548304
boo-hoo

>>14546755
the us leads the world in food security

>>14547200
Maybe, but I'm inclined to suspect that people of that physical appearance have always existed. My attention has always been held more by those with a physically masculine appearance and effeminacy and insecurity. Big dudes with beards and tattoos that aren't masculine or confident at all and compensating for that with accessories and appearances

>>14547255
Well they're certainly not demon spawn

>>14542430
bro, the entire fad is predicated on polfags whipping themselved into another delusional frenzy after misinterpreting data into supporting their own idiotic worldview. This sort of behavious has been noticed and recurred throughout human history