/lit/ - Literature

>>14534823
Paladin of Souls has a nice sequence where a lightly-guarded pilgrimage has to run from a raiding party, it's all about exhaustion and endurance and making sure to get rid of everyone they'll torture to death for heresy.

which are the good star wars books?
in4b none of them
i read the 90's Thrawn trilogy and liked them and i've found a 80gb torrent for all SW book but i know some are utterly shit with farting wedding parties and Chuck "The Cuck" Wendig.

So last night I finished Messiah
At the end: Why did Muad'dib lose his powers? Is it because he passed it onto his children? Did Alia lose hers?
Alia felt so useless throughout the story despite half the characters fearing her abilities. They set me up thinking that she was gonna fuck things up for the antagonists and have powers stronger than Muad'dib.

>>14534823
I'm not very interested in Stations of the Tide.
I'm a few chapters into Landfall but it hasn't became interesting as of yet.

>>14534882
did he lose his powers? i though he gave up on the golden path because he couldn't put humanity through such torment even if it was the only way to save it in the long run

So I just finished Altered Carbon. That was much, much better than I expected it would be. Two questions: how are the sequels, and can anybody recommend anything similar?

>>14534899

Ghost in the Shell

anyone read this?

>>14534941
Like, the manga?

>>14534983
Cyberpunk is a visual medium

Bought a second hand copy of Dune today. One of those so called great works of sci-fi I never got to that I will rectify this year for sure.

>>14535004
read up through God Emperor for the full Dune experience, you can drop after that

>>14534892
Well I assumed since he lost the "vision" and became truly blind in the end. I thought no vision, no powers. I guess I might be wrong.

>>14534879
The Xwing series

>>14535023
ty anon

>>14535044
what about the Darth Bane stuff, thats the only other SW books i've heard about besides Thrawn

>>14535023
Don't listen to this pleb. Heretics and Chapterhouse are the 2/3 best dune books, along with God Emperor.
You'll honestly be missing out on a lot if you skip.

>>14534951
i loved the first book but found the second book repetitive and dropped the series. but the first book i'd recommend.

>>14535079
No idea

>>14535079
Darth Bane is fantastic. Read Darth Plaguies also

>>14535079
Bane?

>>14535271
a Big Guy for 2

>>14535079
Those sound like big books

>>14535097
Stop forcing this shit.

>>14534951
Pretty good but one of the few cases where the show is massively better in almost all aspects.

Wheel of Time
I want to read this series but I am weary of cuck elements. I just want decent fantasy without politics, homosexual agendas, muh stronk independent women who dont need no man, interracial, actual cuck stuff, trans bs, and the like. You can have all those things normally if it fits naturally but 99.99999% of the time its forced nonsense and I hate it.

Back in the day for example when the Blade movies came out, if was the coolest shit even though Wesley Snipes is black (fuck the IRS) and no one cared he was black, but today now when there is a black person the first thing people think is there is an agenda being pushed because the faggot directors and what not cant shut the fuck up about people of color representation in media all over social media and its obvious what they are doing. No one cared that Charlies Angels had 3 women back then, but todays remakes, Ghosbusters bragging about being all female, Oceans remake with all women etc all ran adverts about how inclusive it was and how they added woke jokes and shit then complained when it tanked, Terminator, etc. So now it matters and pisses many off because of how obvious it is.

So really is Wheel of Time good? Or is it junk? Sorry for the rant.

>>14535407
You'd hate those things no matter what you fag so why bother with the pretense?

>>14535407
>>14533933
Is this going to be one of those posts that is posted every thread now?

>>14535480
2017: I liked the gay rape and incest
2020: I am weary of cuck elements
it's character progression

>>14535480
the older post was posted when the thread was dying. it's normal to repost in a new thread for more visibility.

Name a greater series of the 2010s.

>>14535495
>2017: I liked the gay rape and incest
What was the gay rape and incest referring to?

>>14535523
Prince of Nothing

>>14535407
zero cuck stuff, black loli gets COLONIZED, zero gay stuff. main character gets a harem of 3 wives and the series as a whole is a refutation of feminism.

Anytime anyone posts "without politics" that means "without the stuff I don't want" because it's not possible to not be political.

>>14535515
>>14535480

>>14535525
Really? Thats on my list for this year. Seemed like it was a fantasy retelling of the christian/arab crusades.

>>14535530
Fuck off

>>14535538
>grandmother's cock

>>14535530
Im asexual but with politics instead. I know there is a word for it.

>>14535543
Apolitical doesn't exist.

>>14535525
wait incest?

>>14535540
>grandmother's cock
>cute GILF fem-penis
You have my attention anon.

>>14535530
there's a difference between being political and preachy

>>14535546
Sure but Alouette de Bodard and NK Jemisin read completely differently despite their politics being similar

>>14535558
When mere inclusion is considered "preachy" then not really.

>>14535023
Heretics and Chapterhouse are still neat if you want more after God Emperor, but please, please do not read the trash Herbert's son wrote.

>>14535577
depends on why they're included

>implying Herbert's son wrote anything and isn't just on the cover for brand recognition and lending legitimacy while Anderson wrote 100% of it

>>14535604
That's being disingenuous.
>99.99999% of the time its forced nonsense
This is hyperbole, but the reality isn't much different.
If a person says "it depends" but a similar of amount of time it's the case, then that's pretending to be reasonable in bad faith at the least.

>>14535530
The Hobbit is quite apolitical.

>>14535635
If you can't see them that means that either you are ignorant, oblivious, they are your own, or some combination thereof. Either way I'm not going to argue with you about it, so feel free to parade that as victory.

>>14535664
>so feel free to parade that as victory
What are you on about? We are not even arguing.

If you want an easy way to find out which books are good, I have a solution.

>straight white male authors only
>no women, jews, blacks, gays etc
>check review on amazon
>if 4.5+ stars, ignore it. it panders to lowest common denominator
>enter the reviews and type in the search key words
>sex, sexist, sexism, gay, lgbt, etc and see what people say about the book using those keywords
>"book is highly sexist against women!" good book
>"book goes against sexist tropes and empowers women!" bad book
>look through 2 and 3 star reviews, they were honest enough to not go full 5 star shill or 1 star shill usually
>if the book is part of a trilogy or longer series, do it for each book
>1980's and before tend to be less pozzed
>check authors social media for red flags like pronouns in bio, lgbt flags, current event virtue signaling one liners, telling others who they are voting for and who you should vote for, etc

I havent read a bad book so far.

>>14535623
>i have no argument so you're disingenuous and acting in bad faith

>>14535676
Recommend some.

I’m starting to feel like I don’t even enjoy SF or fantasy anymore.

>>14535676
Female authors pre 1970 could be pretty based

>>14534879
This >>14535044 the X-Wing series is great
Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter
Darth Bane trilogy
Outbound Flight
Labyrinth of Evil
Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader
Coruscant Nights
Truce at Bakura
The Courtship of Princess Leia
The Jedi Academy Trilogy
I, Jedi
The Black Fleet Crisis
The Corellian Trilogy
The Hand of Thrawn Duology
Survivor's Quest
The Young Jedi knights series is fun too

Reminder that this animal is a complete hack, and Sanderson is Dostoevsky compared to her.

>>14535704
Anhedonia

>>14535727
thanks

>>14535704
Glen Cook. Black Company series if you already havent. The Swordbearer for something shorter. Dread Empire. Starfishers. Darkwar.

Rigante books by David Gemmell.
Chalion by Bujold
John Carter by Edgar Rice
Powder Mage books by McClellan and his other trilogy based off of it.
Elric books by Michael Moorcock
Wizard Knight or Book of New Sun by Gene Wolfe
Spellmonger and others by Terry Mancour

litrpg books

>>14535676
>>if 4.5+ stars, ignore it. it panders to lowest common denominator
I agree with all points except that one.

>>14535727
How about Death Troopers?

>>14535407

You're the gilr of my life Sonjaksta. I miss you so much...

>>14535772
Is this a good book? Will it help me get a gf?

>>14535023
>>14535597
Isn't it worth reading what happens after Chapterhouse? Apparently if ends on a cliffhanger and I'd want some closure, especially if they have notes of what's supposed to happen after.

>>14535790
>Isn't it worth reading what happens after Chapterhouse?
Depends, do you want to see Loli ghola Jessica?

>>14535808
Sounds good

Is this the best female ever created in fantasy?

>>14535676
Patrician

>>14535676
This is basically what I do already. I cant imagine anyone not doing something like this. Maybe for different keywords but I dont see people just reading books blindly.

>>14535407
>uncucked books
Doesnt exist unless you go back to 80s and before.

>>14535876
I just don't read much published after 2000. That works fairly well.

>>14535818

>>14535818
*blocks your path*
>>14535887
Based Dinoposter

>>14535818
.

>>14535818
Move over cockgoblin.

>>14535818
Not even close

>>14535942
>sanderson
Are you a teenage girl as well
>>14535932
Ask me how I know you are a lesbian
>>14535925
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oedipus_complex
>>14535909
>>>/a/
>>14535954
https://www.furaffinity.net/

>>14535415
He literally explained in the post that he liked Blade, so obviously not.

And he's right. The artificial inclusion of "diversity" cringe is cringe, and ruins otherwise good works. It's the keening wail of the virtue-signally faggot that you can hear all throughout the work that kills it.

>>14535975
It's an altered copypasta

>>14535543
>Im asexual but with politics instead. I know there is a word for it.
anarchist

>>14535676
Based. Femenoids btfo

>>14536026
>anarchist
That is the basically the Atheism of the political world. Cringy retards who more religious than actual religious people. Its also the vegan of the food world. Not even Libertarians are as cringy or embarrassing.

>>14536002
I dont see whats altered about it, I havent seen that pasta anywhere before except the anon who linked it last thread where it was posted at the end, which would make sense to repost in the new thread.

its not like he is wrong anyway, no one likes preachy political messaged shoved into their face. Look at the backlash JK Rowling got for all the gay pandering. It was the gay community who tore her a new one for it.

>>14536065
It's all /tv/ except for the change to Wheel of Time obviously.

>>14536065
Does it go both ways? If so, could you provide an example?

>>14535747
>Rigante books by David Gemmell
Stopped reading right there.

>>14535881
(Laughs in Glenn Cook)

Just finished pic related and can anyone tell me what the "border" was and what happened to stuff that went through it(like the rabbits)?

>>14534862
I enjoyed Paladin of Souls a lot more than I thought I would. Based Bujold did it again.

>>14534823
Snakewood is good. A company of retired mercenaries are being hunted down one by one. Books a sort of mystery to find out who’s doing it and why. It’s also got a cool Druidic combat drug system instead of magic, which I thought was pretty fresh.

>>14535407
>politics
Only in-world politics.
>homosexual agendas
There's some lesbians and bisexuals here and there, nothing overt.
>muh stronk independent women
Lots and lots of women in the books have this mindset, most are insufferable, a few learn the power of the D and stop being horrible
>interracial
Tuon gets BLEACHED, Perrin fucks a vaguely Asian girl
>actual cuck stuff
I don't remember but there's over 2000 named characters, I'm sure someone got cucked at some point.
>trans bs
At least two villains respawn as the opposite gender they were before.

>>14535876
do you really look at stuff not rated highly?

>>14536301
fucking shadow of the torturer is at a 3.8 on goodreads because of women and sanderson cumlappers

>>14536284
Rand and egwene with that stinky road gypsie
But egwene is a fucking trash character so it’s not a big deal.

>>14536224
>>14536224
pretty sure the lady got blacked by one of the nar bodyguards she had

>>14536301
I look at the reveiws still. Just in case. Some books have earned their ratings but many are just pandering to hordes of low IQ brainlets so its best to check and be sure.

>>14536485
Fucking liar, not sure if trolling or legit forgot but The Lady was a virgin her whole life, not even the Dominator fucked her and the whole jealously thing between Croaker and Lady with her guard was fake to fool their enemies. They fucked basically the instant they reconnected. Lady was fucking obsessed with Croaker

>>14535676
>No female authors
I like Robin Hobb, but that's about it.

>>14535734
That's a lofty accusation. What'd she write?

>>14536602
>That's a lofty accusation. What'd she write?
Broken Earth books

>>14536602
> nk jemisin
fifth season / broken earth

Why did Turin kill himself after finding out he fucked his sister?

>>14534879
Don't listen to >>14535727 the best two star wars books are Revenge of the Sith and Darth Plagueis.

>>14536639
>>14536637
Just read the premise. Sounds as if it could be a somewhat interesting world but at the same time I'm getting YA fantasy vibes from it. What makes it so terrible, does she have shitty prose or something?

>>14536654
Because its fucking degenerate and she died because of him anyway.

>>14536671
What about Death Troopers

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11480915-alien-abduction
This was great and really entertaining. Is there more like this? Different races working together to escape from captivity?

>>14536696
>Oh no i accidentally fucked my sister time to kill myself
Bit extreme imo
>>14536704
It's ok, not great, I preferred the prequel which similarly doesn't reach the heights of either book I mentioned before.

>>14536692
people are triggered that a black woman author is popular

>>14536692
Honestly no. It's pretty good, I enjoyed the first one but wasn't moved to immediately pick up the rest of the trilogy. There's some pretty interesting things in it, but the second person bits and the gender queer unicorn folk tranny characters put some people off.

>>14536721
It's been ages since I read it but IIRC Star Smashers of the Galaxy Rangers had a extended prison sequence.

>>14536785
Gonna have a look. Though i'm looking for more recent books. Lets say post 2000.

>>14536692
Jemisin is a SJW hack and stuffs every story she writes full of her shit. If you don’t care about that stuff great for you, but it’s pretty fucking cringe that every book she writes is “black woman saves the world from the evil whites who destroyed it.”

>>14536956
> books where someone saves the world are cringe
maybe you should stop reading fantasy

Talking about leftwing drivel, i was reading a book set in the Napoleonic period and holy fuck did the writer love talking about slavery. The book had nothing to do with slavery until the half waypoint where the main character was berating one of his old friends for owning slaves, and it went on forever.

>>14536988
>disingenuous and deliberately misconstrued
Have a (You) for free, trap house nigger

>>14536692
Honestly, just try reading the first chapter or two on amazon. She's a bad writer and her skin color mixed with her genre of choice is what launched her to popularity, not a good story and definitely not good prose.
If you want to read a good SF story by a black woman, read the Patternist series by Octavia Butler. In release order.

I just finished wither 3 and I want to get in the books. Are they worth reading?

>>14537094
Your criticism is literally "I get triggered by stories where the good guys and bad guys have this specific race makeup". You didn't say anything about her prose, just that she triggers you with character details.

>>14537279
last wish is pretty much the only one worth reading.

>>14537334
Care to explain anon. Pls no spoilers

I don't mind MCs that you aren't supposed to empathize with, but when the book is screaming at you to do so and the MC is a mass murdering monster that can't understand why no one likes her...

>>14537347
no spoilers necessary.
the books overall are shit. incredibly so. the games are much better written. to the point where the author is assmad about it. last wish is the only really decent witcher story.

>>14537359
Thanks anon

>>14536510
Cope harder, The Lady got BLACKED by her Nar bodyguards.

>>14537071
Historically most of the European powers abolished slavery during that period or in the lead up to it. The issue of Haiti was a continual thorn during the French revolution because they'd send thousands of soldiers to try and get the colony back only to have most of them die of tropical diseases, to the point where they started shipping Polish mercenaries over, who started defecting after realizing they were being sent to die in the jungle.

>>14537621
I don't care about slavery either way, i just didn't want to read it. Also, it was clear the writer was self-inserting her modern politics into it, and the book wasn't even about slavery. And she kept coming back to the argument between the protagonist and his friend. It got so obnoxious i had to drop it.

>>14535023
dumb chart

>>14537386
Source?

>>14537694

>>14537726
>>14537753
kek, this is now a YLYL thread /lit/ edition

>>14537762

>>14537913
>the iron dragon's daughter
Did you guys like it? I couldn't stand it. The beginning was kinda good with magic industry and factories and shit, then suddenly the protagonist was smoking cheap fags and getting gangbanged by brittish youth in pseudo London or whatever the fuck that was. And it went on and on and I couldn't stand that shit so I dropped it.

Should I try and finish the book? Does it get better?

Where my Heretic Chads at?

>>14538036
I didn't much care for it.

I recently read the Elenium trilogy after not having read much in the last decade. Interesting take on the Catholic Church, series was good. Are the Tamuli books good too? Any other recos?

>>14538036
If that put you off you won't like the rest of it. It gets progressively crazier culminating in Jane killing hundreds of men with sex magic to fuel Melancthon so they can destroy existence itself

just finished name of the wind. not the most satisfying ending but still enjoyable. absolute chad of a protagonist so i dont understand why he had oneitis for some bubbly girl who is somehow so poor she needs a string of boyfriends to take care of her

I don't want to use the word comfy, but man, the Belgariad series is fucking comfy.

>amazon announced a new cast member for ther Lord of the Rings adaption
>its a black woman
>Gladriel
>arwen
>another black
>fat asian woman too

What is some good classic fantasy other than LotR to get into?

I'm halfway through the second book in Peter F Hamilton's void trilogy.

Apparently I missed a couple of earlier books setting up the universe hundreds of years earlier, but it doesn't seem to have been much of a detriment. Some characters feel like they're probably cameos, but that's about it.

The way the story is split into the dreams which are a fantasy setting, and the current events in a scifi settings is weird. I haven't stopped to see what the split actually is, but it feels like it's probably 50% of the dreams, following one viewpoint character and a small cast, going deep into their characterizations and relationships for long chapters. Then for the other 50% of the book you're thrown back into the scifi side of the story, and whipped between half a dozen viewpoint characters in short vignettes without even chapters breaking them up.

It's like reading two separate books, and it's getting annoying. Especially because the two stories are barely connected at the moment, not even thematically. Half way into book 2 and it's just starting to maybe connect them with a character entering the void. Really hope this series goes somewhere interesting soon.

unironically can some anons please rec some sci-fi/high fantasy with deep introspective characters who are fully fleshed out in terms of internal thinking/emotions and as a result have a well developed motivation or goal throughout the story ?
I've never really found this kind of characterisation in most high fantasy and as gay as it sounds, currently i've only really found berserk to scratch that itch and that's a fucking manga series.
I've read most the big series (LOTR, dune, etc) and only dune really had a glint of it in the writing.
something that evokes existential feelings like pic related please.

>>14538554
>mangareader.net
>not the officially published volumes
DISAPPOINT

>>14538554
So you want a lot of internal monologues?

>>14538637
yeah sure, as long as they are somewhat realistic and lend believably to the characters actions
>>14538630
>implying i haven't been buying up those sweet ass deluxe collections
i'd post a pic but i'm not staying at my home right now

>>14538058
Honored Matres represent

>>14538490
How many characters do you reckon are gay?

How do you guys feel about a narrative structure and viewpoints? Do you prefer an ensemble of varied characters or one main with significant internal reflection/internal dialogue, something in between? Curious what other anons enjoy in their reading.

>ITT: /pol/ approved books
>>>/pol/239585423
So that's why some books have been spammed here.

>>14539000
I think both can work, if it is about some great event i think varied is better if not then one main character.

>>14539057
rent free

>>14539057
rent free

>>14539158
>>14539160
>>>/pol/239623650

>>14539168
Oh perfect, just we need.

>>14539168
No shit idiot. Now you’re getting baited since you linked that thread. That’s what happens when you “ironically” lurk /pol/ or whatever you were doing there.

>>14539250 Sorry, I invaded your safe space.

>>14538164
>spoiler

Well guess I'm moving that to the top of the list.

Is the warded man good?

>>14534879
Like another said, the X-wing series is great. Also loved Darksaber.

>>14539333
Overall opinion is mixed.

>>14539333
First book is decent, but every subsequent book is worse than the previous one.

>>14539791
Mixed why?

>>14539853
People being upset about the content and themes.
>>14539848
Is probably the most common opinion. .

>>14539848
What made it worse? It had a very cool concept. Disappointing desu

>>14539884
>content and themes
Let me guess, women are not stronger than men, no gays, and the MC is white?

>>14538554
ASOIAF. fuck the haters, it has great internal thoughts. not really super deep philosophical thoughts, though.

>>14538554
dune

>>14540043
>post talks about dune
>poster says dune
Nice reflexive response that bypassed any thinking.

>>14540054
thanks

>>14540054
Also there's zero chance anon finds a sci-fi book with better introspection and character motivation than dune so he should just reread it.

>>14540080
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_unius_libri

>>14539057
>a jew linking this thread from /pol/
It's like pottery...

>>14535676
Oh, it's the new /pol/ack pasta. Don't pretend like you even read, everyone knows you don't

>>14536692
She's a tamer reverse Teddye Beale. Pretty bad tebehe.

>>14540080
Red/Green/Blue Mars for fuck's sake.

>>14540240
>Don't pretend like you even read, everyone knows you don't

>>14540277
oh honey, blinkist isn't real reading.

>>14540277
Yes, we know this is what you pretend to read but that's not your shelf, you haven't read any of those books, they are terrible, they aren't literature and they aren't /sffg/.

how do you feel about a Name of the Wind RPG? you know, using the different sorts of magic as classes. or something based off of it, along these lines

>>14540359
>download1.jpg
not even his pic, clearly fucking with the guy who mentioned /pol/ with /pol/ tier book stacks

>>14540390
The Mistborn RPG was cancelled. RIP.

>>14535925
sauce on the game?

>>14540827
behind the dune

the scenes sucks

>>14540390
Would cuckold be a skill, feat, or class? I can see it working as any of them.

>>14539899
No. The opposite. It devolves into dickless muslim homo army that constantly piss all over themselves that capture you and chop your dick off so you'll join them and muh stronk hermaphrodite baby.

>>14535818
No. Baru is

>>14540277
Incel books

>>14539886
He just takes the characters in disappointing directions, doesn’t use them to their fullest potential. Leesha paper povs become insufferable by around book 3. The only consistently good pov is the musician boy and he dies at the end of book 4 What a waste.

>>14539000
I prefer fewer characters with a more fleshed out monologue of their life experiences that direct why they have a certain goal in the story rather than the other.
I enjoyed lord of the rings but god damn does almost every character feel extremely shallow (with exception to strider, samwise and gandalf).
But maybe thats just an oversight on my part, they are united in not letting the world go to shit but that doesn't make them anymore interesting.
I'd say it succeeds more in establishing the world than it does any actual humanity in the characters (barring previous mentions).

>>14538229
>absolute chad of a protagonist

>>14538808
legolas and gimli

>>14535042
He never lost his powers. When he was blinded by the bomb thing he knew the future so clearly and exactly that he didnt even need eyes. I assume he only knew the future up until that point (climax of the book) and became truly blind since he didn't know the future as well as he did leading up to that point.

>>14535727
Good list, also recommend the Han Solo Trilogy by Brian Daley (don't know about Crispins)

>>14535761
Ive heard its good but i have not read it myself

>>14538490
Conan

>>14538229
>absolute chad of a protagonist

>>14534951
Massively boring. Haven't touched the other books or the show because of this, I'm apparently missing out in the case of the latter.

>>14542966
The show is garbage, later books is so pozzed even the most liberal of fags find it revolting

It's very helpful when people uses signalling words to know that they can be safely ignored.

>>14543024
same, works great for filtering media too

>>14542990
first season was tolerable but over hyped. dropped 2nd glad to hear the books aren't worth wasting time on

>>14540258
based. Love those books

>>14543115
i wish this shit was easy to ignore. that fact that these are real "people" here and that their fucktardation is mirroring shifts in the real world just reminds me that no matter how good my personal bubble looks, this places idiocy is the rule, not the exception

>>14543278
Clearly you need a better bubble then.
May I suggest [place suiting your personal preferences where anyone who doesn't suit those preferences are immediately banned]?

>>14543343
the bubble is a comforting distraction, not an unbreakable shield

>>14542966
>>14542990
>>14543120
You 2 deserve to be quartered, no joke

im existentially bored /sffg/ i dont have any desire to learn, and worries to bitch about. i"m just dead on a spiritual level

>>14543495
Read Book of the New Sun then.

>>14543495
Are you the same whiny faggot of the other threads? If you're fuck off. If you aren't also fuck off.

>>14542443
There's no way this is real.

Which out of these do you think I should read to get out of a reading rut?

The Night Circus
Scythe Neal Shusterman
Earth Sea
The Raven Tower - Ann Leckie
The Empire trilogy
Minor Angels Volodine
Something by K.J. Parker
The Windup Girl
The Shadow of What Was Lost
Sufficiently Advanced Magic
The Shadow of What Was Lost
Broken Earth (probably not)

>>14542228
He refused to look further because once you see the future, you're locked into that future. Basically it wasn't foresight, but what he was seeing was a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you see yourself going somewhere in your future, you basically see your future. That was the whole point of Messiah. Paul refused to look further as to not lock humanity into a future he didn't like. His son Leto wasn't so scared and he looked deep into humanity's future which is why he set up on the Golden Path, in an attempt to rectify the wrongs that he had seen in humanity's future.

>>14543606
Earthsea, no doubt

Is the cradle series by Will Wight worth reading? or the first book at least.

Is this book worth it?

>>14537292
Every time you use the word Triggered, you acknowledge that the far-Right is correct to dismiss left-wing talking points out of hand because they are meaningless.

I approve of this concession to my ideology. Now that we've established that you think "triggered" just means "annoyed," we can move on to other things that I am objectively right about, and that left-wing people are objectively wrong about.

Like this stupid whore being a good writer. She isn't.

>>14543495
That isn't boredom. That's ennui.

>>14537621
Haiti is an entertaining point since it's one of the purest "success stories" of slave revolts, and it resulted in the single poorest, shittiest country in the world.

The Haitian shitbloods literally got exactly what they deserved: An eternity on a cursed island having their brains eaten by parasites.

>>14543625
It’s a fun coming of age story set in xianxia bullshit. Enjoy it for what it is, don’t expect something revolutionary.

>>14543625
If you know what it's about and that hasn't dissuaded you, then yeah, may as well try it.

>>14543627
Based on the opinions of those who have rated it from /sffg/, who rated it all 5 stars except one person, then yeah, maybe.

>planned on reading a bunch this month to get a jumpstart on my reading pace for the year
>still haven't finished a book I started this year outside of a mahjong strategy book
I need new releases to push me forward

>>14535676
I agree with everything except the "no females" part. C.L. Moore is cool.

>>14543606
Night Circus - good but ethereal probably won't help with rut
Scythe - about halfway through this I figured out exactly where the plot was going and lost interest
Earthsea - yeah this is good and it keeps your attention
Raven Tower - kept my attention but I thought it was bad by the end
Empire Trilogy - As in Feist and Wurts? If so this is amazing and it kept me interested all the eway
Shadow of What Was Lost - might be good dropped it almost immediately because it did the missed connections/coincidences start and that annoyed me for some reason
Broken Earth - honestly this is very engrossing at first because you see very little of the world until the povs expand. However by the time it gets to the epic scale jemisin isn't that good at writing it

So I'd say
Empire>Earthsea>w/ever for rut breaking possibility of those I've read

>>14543625
Cradle's incredibly fun
When I reread it I was surprised at how much I enjoyed the first book despite knowing exactly how much setup there was.
By the third book you just sail through them

>>14543709
Read a short story, then read a novelette, then read a novella. Then read a novel. Then do whatever. I guess if you want it being new to be your placebo then may as well.

>>14534823
Is pic related supposed to be Dune?

>>14543766
Please be bait and not serious.

>>14543668
>>14543679
>>14543752

Happy to hear it, I'm gonna start reading it. Having said that, I know absolutely nothing about the book, except that there's someone named Lindon.

>>14543854
It's basically just a never ending get power>learn power>use power>get power loop, it's a popular genre of fiction in china which is largely where wight is cribbing from`

>>14543854
Don't read book 7.

>>14543648
>Haiti
>success
Idk anon, have you seen that state of that dump lately and all throughout its history? Haiti is a place I wouldnt send people I even hated.

>>14543627

Absolutely

>>14543854
It’s xianxia iinda

>>14543582
http://93.174.95.29/fiction/6CF5F6F5174CE211D9A149611E1BF2E4
look for yourself

>>14543632
So you continue to have nothing to say, but you keep talking. You should probably stop.

i still maintain that maybe 2 people in this thread outside of me have actually read a jemisin book

>>14543766
Yes.

Ah yes if only I could find a system

>>14544669
I see one person reviewed it giving it 5 stars, maybe you, and 6 other marked it as to-read, including me.

>>14544755
Nah I've never rated her on this goodreads account but I had read everything up until the current series
Which is kinda surprising because her debut trilogy wasn't good imo, it was basically just a romance but about gods

>>14544669
I read the trilogy. Was ok.

>>14544669
is that a bad thing? discuss a lesser known work, or argue over sanderson and lotr endlessly

>>14535515
Is this actually good and worth reading? I've never heard of it, but a quick google search showed that its really popular

>>14545038
as funny as it would be to make you read it that's a long standing sffg shitpost

>>14544669
I read some of the first book of her Broken Earth series and have no interest in further reading her her trash. It'd be one thing if the garbage she spews from her mouth and her writing were two operate things but they're intertwined.

What I'd like to know though is why you come into every thread and bring her up in an retardedly argumentative way that you know for a fact is going to get (You)'s.

Did Asimov just lose it? This is the epitome of a novella trapped in a doorstopper.

>>14542443
Nice

>>14545853
Haven't read it, but after the 4th Foundation book he completely lost the plot.

>>14545047
Some fuck got me reading Prince of Thorns 3 years back. I've read the entire thing in a day, out of hate more than anything else, but I still hope I will meet the guy and break the fingers he typed that shit with.

What the FUCK did I just read?

>>14546293
It seems you have read Lilith, A Romance, by George MacDonald

>>14546365
lost

>>14546293
>>14546418
Is this an influence on Voyage to Arcturus and Night Land? It sure seems to be judging by the plot.

>>14546365
I guess I did, huh
I didn't get it
I come from a Catholic background so I SHOULD have understood it but I guess I'm too dumb for it.

>>14546427
I have not read either of those but based on a quick Google search it seems to me like Voyage to Arcturus might be similar, yes, not so sure about the other one.

>>14546448
Nibba, you need to read both ASAP.

>>14546451
They do sound pretty good actually, and I was looking for something to start now that I'm finished with Lilith.
Thanks lad.

>>14543917
Nice reading comprehension.

>>14543625
Pussy protagonist, trash supporting characters and laughable xp grind level-up system
It's schlock

>>14546524
>Pussy protagonist
this really chaps my ass

>>14546524
Lindon has literally killed a bunch of people at this point. He’s not a pussy. He’s just not too proud to run away from fights he can’t win, or bow and scrape his way out of trouble.

>>14545038
lol no
r/HobbyDrama/comments/ekxu1p/ya_tumblr_drama_the_weird_world_of_sarah_j_mass/
>If you’ve never heard of Sarah J Maas, consider yourself lucky. She’s a mediocre writer at best, and her books are chock full of outrageous misogyny and racism. She 3 series out at the moment: throne of glass, a court of thorns and roses, and crescent city. All three are supposedly set in different worlds, but they all have the exact same shitty world building with territorial male faeries. She sets up ridiculous scenarios that end with the male characters “forced” to physically/sexually assault her main characters. ACOTAR is particularly notes for the endgame love interest a) twisting the main character’s broken arm until she agrees to something, I can’t remember what and b) drugging and groping her every night. It honestly makes even less sense in context.

>The racism is also a huge issue. In the tog books, the main character basically becomes a mega colonizer. She’s just, like, so excited to force herself on other cultures. It wouldn’t be an issue except the author and the fan base seem to this this is yaaas queen! feminism which is supremely irritating to me.

>After a while, it becomes clear that sjm is more interested in writing erotica than YA Bc she slips in the most disturbing sex scenes. (A guy comes to the thought of his unborn child?? It’s confusing.)

>They’re also terribly written, filled with ellipses, m-dashes, and clunky, clunky prose. Nevertheless, she has a sizable fan base, especially on tumblr. They post everything from pretty manips (usually with white models) to detailed meta analysis. Over time, these analyses become more and more critical, and a whole new subgroup breaks away: the antis.

(the rest of the post is just about fandom drama)

>>14546739
gf likes those books and a bunch of weird wmaf smut lit but other than that, honestly her library is fairly based.

>>14546739
I'm seriously tempted to start writing awful bullshit like this under a female (perhaps even a "woman of color" or female jew) pen name. Hire some woman to let me take a photo of her for my author pic. It seems like the trick to making money in the literary world is:

1) Be female.
2) Write garbage.

They don't even have to be hot. Both this Maas woman and that retarded negress from earlier in the thread are great big hogbeasts. What the fuck.

>>14546786
Genre fiction writing has low standards, and the standards of the readers are even lower... The first Dresden Files books were literally just Butcher's homework from writing school.

>>14546819
>dresden
copied garret pi

>>14546819
Why am I not rich off my genre fiction yet, then?

>>14546859
Because you self-published.

>>14534899
Altered Carbon is pretty trash. Only way I can imagine anyone finding it good is if they watched the show first.

>>14542990
this scene was hilarious

>>14538554
Curse of Chalion

>>14542443
oh no no no no

>>14546293
You just read a book about Lilith-chan who did nothing wrong and Mr Raven-kun who was very, very evil~

>>14546293
I thought it was pretty straightforward, what did you have a problem with? MC fails to follow instructions, learns to internalize mysticism, gets a hand from Grandpa Adam but realizes he needs death to be truly purified or something.

>>14546957
lilith I will wreck your city with elephant-riding children so help me

>>14546966
>66
BASED anon

>tfwno Lilithite legal loli Lona lover

>>14543627
Yes.

Although if you root for the xenos, you're a traitor.

>>14544755
It's true that I gave it 5 stars. However, I suppose in hindsight it's more like 7 out of 10 compared to, say, shinsekai yori with a similar premise but a far more interesting story. The main problem with the Broken Earth Trilogy was the merely average ending. Jemisin can't write scifantasy and should stick to scifi. Something like Dreamblood (an anon told me that I should only read the first one) is much more tightly written and doesn't show shitty highschool scifi premises.

Goodreads is a misleading website because each rating is out of 5. If 1 star is literal shit, 2 is crawled the end and 3 is average, then you are left with only 4 and 5 for decent books. The vast majority of books are average (3 star), a small proportion of them are decent and very few are actually good. So although Jemisin isn't actually that great, compared to the vast sea of literal shit, if her book crawled out of 300 shite summaries and dnf'd books it's still a 0.33% 5 star with far more unique worldbuilding than 99% of fantasy authors (I do think that scifi is in a better place than fantasy, relatively speaking).

And yet, ideas don't exist in a vacuum so I suspect a properly 5 star author wrote something that Jemisin sucked some ideas out of but maybe it can never be identified.

Additionally, I'm not sure if goodreads has changed it but your one star and two star books might still show up in your new releases just to punish you for putting authors you don't like in your shelves.

Please recommend me some Christian SFF that isn't Tolkien, Lewis, or Gene Wolfe. No Mormons, though.

>>14534899
I liked the book much better than the show. The sequels each seem to be a decline in quality but if you liked he first book and the Kovacs character enough, they're with readng.

>>14543749
Thanks anon

Finally watched the Dune movie and God what the fuck why

>>14547219
Altered Carbon is one of those books that could have been good, but:
>permadeath bad
>commits mass permamurder anyway
>fully one half of the book is barely related to the mystery
>rich people are evil

>>14547355
the actual problem is that it's supposed to be cyberpunk but it's incredibly tepid on the
>rich people are evil
part because Richard Morgan is a massive left punching lib so there's no real substance to the class issues he creates

>>14547151
Hart's Hope is fascinating as this fever-dream imagining of a high fantasy happening in Old Testament times

>>14535004
Started it yesterday, lads. Liking it.

>>14547151
wolf in shadow
the canticle of liebowitz is ostensibly christian but it's hard for me to picture any christian enjoying it.
the guy is a converted catholic (maybe from judaism, maybe from a different branch of christianity) and i thought the whole book was cynical and misanthropic. apparently the author took part in the allied bombing of monte casino during ww2 and it left him bitter and disillusioned with humanity i guess.

>>14547362
It's certainly got Banks levels of strawmanning regarding the rich. Surface Detail was funny because there was certainly enough reason to hate the antagonist to begin with, but nooo, we need to ascribe every single vice to this guy or he isn't evil enough.

>>14547371
>>14547383
Thanks, I"ll look into them. Heard of Canticle before but not the others.

>>14547371
He said no Mormons, anon.

>>14547297
Because Lynch.

>betelgeuse supernova
are there books about escaping/waiting for supernovas and its effects, or supernovas becoming part of the nightsky?
I remember Diaspora

>>14547528
There's a book where Alpha Centauri goes nova and we have to deal with the fallout of that, couldn't tell you what though

>>14547490
It's about why child sacrifice is bad even when it works, anon, the missionaries won't come to your door if you download it.

>>14543766
you WoT mate

>>14535676
What's your opinion on the sword of truth?

>>14544669
I read the entire Broken Earth Trilogy and hated it anon. Sorry you don't believe me. I haven't read any other Jemisin, nor do I intend to.

>>14547830
>reading more than book one if you hate it
Sure thing.

>>14547837
I do it all the time. Knew going in I probably wouldn't like it, but I got nice set of trade copies for cheap. I like to push the edges of what I think I'll enjoy because even if I don't it's still interesting.

Where do I post if I have a written story just waiting to be read? I'm not American but I've been writing in English. Does self publishing on Amazon work if you're not American? Iirc Amazon doesn't ship to my country so there's that hurdle also.

>>14548119
Yes but you might get the IRS taking a cut if you don't have a tax treaty. Put it in a pastebin and post it here.

>>14543625
Feeble attempt at a fusion of western YA fantasy and xiaxia, somehow manages to have all of the bad and none of the good of both.
>boring cuck MC
>strong independent girl who don't need no man love interest who never seems to do anything
>unfunny useless mentor character
>ludicrous powerlevel tier list treadmill, by insulting W of X clan, not know it is a subsidiary of Y clan you have earned the ire of Z, head of Y clan!
>every book is an endless training montage with a boring non-fight at the end
>follow character A until something interesting is about to happen, cut to character B for boring unimportant setting exposition, cut back to character A "boy that sure was interesting, now back to what I was doing."

>>14547528
>>14547573
Aftermath by Charles Sheffield
also The Songs of Distant Earth by Arthur C. Clarke

>>14547415
Canticle is arguably the best SF book ever written. Arguably.

>>14547297
If you can't enjoy Sting in a speedo and Cpt. Picard charging into battle and yelling like a madman while holding a cute little pug dog there's something wrong with you.

What's the most engaging /sffg/ book to read when I'm broken-hearted and don't wish to think about love, being in love, rejection and all that BS?

>>14548287
Philip Jose Farmer's Riverworld series.

>>14548287
Baxter's Xeelee cycle. It's so huge in scale that everything human just dwarfs into total irrelevance

https://xeelee.fandom.com/wiki/Xeeleeverse_Timeline

>>14548193
almost every single word of that is wrong though

Here's my idea for a post-apocalyptic dystopia setting:
lush jungle and forest land where crops grow in abundance and there a great herds of animals

>>14548287
Foundation because it is literally by and for robots

>>14548411
>every video game in 2012

>>14548397
Explain your reasoning, it's accurate as far as I can tell. You can practically time the story beats to a metronome they're so predictable and generic.

>>14548414
I think you mean Caves of Steel

>>14548299
>>14548341
>>14548414
>>14548437
Thank you for the kind suggestions, anons, they're much appreciated in this dark hour!

>>14548470
I second with Foundation. It's very autistic in a fun kind of way. It's the antithesis of normie thought process, normie endeavors and normie concerns, so if you want to go deep into scifi, read Foundation. The story about the Mule was especially enjoyable.

Seems I'm awake now. New thread after some time.

Christopher Tolkien dead at 95.

New
>>14548513
>>14548513
>>14548513

>>14548516
or not, either way really.

>>14547297
In terms of pacing and accuracy to the books it was fucking horrible, but god damn it was still an experience.