/lit/ - Literature

>>14505405
Dunno if it’s really a philosophy book per say, but pic related is a pretty easy text if you want a basic understanding of stoic philosophy

>>14505415
lmao the state of /lit/

>>14505423
What, it’s entry tier and the only thing close to a “philosophy” text I know well enough to recommend

>>14505445
>the only thing close to a “philosophy” text I know well enough to recommend
then don't bother posting, reddit

>>14505455
instead of insult, would you recommend a book?

>>14505455
Okay

>>14505415
>per say
good rec tho

>>14505462
Complete works of Plato.

>>14505479
I've heard good about plato, and socrates.

>>14505489
You should learn how to “argue” as Socrates did. Asking questions is the easiest way to guide a discussion/debate.

>>14505405
The Apology and Euthyphro, but if your problem is that you're bored then those might mean nothing. What did you read of Nietzsche?

>>14505506
too lazy

>>14505515
Twilight of the Idols and The Anti-christ

>>14505405
you get the picture, than you can pick exactly what it is you are interested in

>>14505516
Why lazy? Is lazy bad? It’s not difficult to ask questions, so is that why I shouldn’t?

>>14505549
fine then, we will debate.

Bold statement. Chickens are the best pets.

>>14505526
Well I thought those were pretty interesting. Obviously a background with the Greeks is very important to understand where Nietzsche is coming from in Twilight. Try Ecce Homo and if you don't find that stylistically appealing, shelve Nietzsche for the time being

>>14505423
>>14505455
this is why i come on /lit/
the only place of literature discussion where you will get ridiculed for having no idea what you're talking about
if you only know of one philosophy book maybe try reading more before recommending

>>14505515
Based, I would also add Crito and Phaedo

>>14505595
That's fair, then. I need to go to the fathers of philosophy in order to really understand it all. My only complaint is how they're all just, stiff boring with no story. I suppose that's just philosophy, though. I'm an avid fiction/fantasy reader, so it only makes sense my complaint would be that.

>>14505555
What makes a pet good?

>>14505616
If they're a chicken, of course.

>>14505506
I wish people wouldn't say this desu. This is how you get leftists trying to make you write a master's thesis on marxism.

>>14505617
But what is a pet? Why is it that only chickens can be good pets?

>>14505619
How does that follow?

>>14505634
Basically, they make a ridiculous unreasonable assertion then ask why they're wrong. Instead of making an argument, they skip to forcing you into making a counterargument, then insist you go read the complete works of marx.

>>14505627
A pet is an animal we keep with the intent of companionship, love, or anything of a social nature.

Chickens aren't the only good pets, but they're undeniably good pets.

>>14505415
I would say The Enchiridion is a better starter for stoicism, also I shall add that while I despise how modern self help writers misuse and bastardized the things taught in ancient stoicism, I still believe it’s a worthy philosophy and one of the most human

>>14505653
You just ask them to prove what they claimed. Simple.
>>14505664
I don’t think that’s unreasonable. But it’s not the same claim as “chickens are the best pets” >>14505555
So you’re either a different anon are you’ve changed your claim

>>14505687
I said they aren' the only good pets, that does not mean that they are not the best. Just as many artist can be good, and one be the greatest, does not belittle the value of the others.

>>14505405
So how far do i need to go back to understand christian and existential philosophy?

>>14505702
>>14505687

However, my jest of me replying with "If they're a chicken, of course." Towards your question "What makes a pet good" would leave me in a contradiction if I had meant it seriously.

>>14505405
I don't know if this is subtle bait, but you just listed three of the least dry philosophers to ever exist. If you found them boring it's likely you'll find the rest of philosophy boring. I read Nietzsche and Kierkegaard for fun.

>>14505708
yeah idk why I referenced the wrong claim

>>14505722
Perhaps philosophy isn't for me lmao.

Besides, isn't dry-ness typically subjective anyways?

>>14505687
>You just ask them to prove what they claimed. Simple.
Not an argument.

>>14505745
Sorry, I didn't mean to be a dick. Don't give up on philosophy yet. If you're really having trouble getting into those philosophers I would recommend reading secondary works, which are usually more accessible. For example, try this one by William Barrett. It's probably the best introduction to existentialism and it's easy to follow. I can also recommend Will Durant's story of philosophy, posted above by someone else.

>>14505526
Yeah, the guy who has read no philosophy should start with the book in which Nietzsche deals with the history of philosophy.
>>14505405
History of Ancient Philosophy, by Giovanni Reale. This would be a perfect starting point.

>>14505405
Diogenes of Sinope

https://discord.gg/FFwRXKq

>>14505526
I usually caution against starting with Nietsche, like many want to do. Don’t get me wrong, he’s a great and seminal figure, but you are only going to get a poor reflection of his ideas if you don’t understand his intellectual pedigree. Tbh neitsche only fags usually become insufferable. Like it is said start with the Greeks, get to the earlier Christians (something you should do, again it’s all to common for the person who dives in first to nihilism to skip, but it is important to understand before critiquing an understanding), then early modern/enlightenment, then Hegel and his begels, then scheopenhaur before Nietsche.

>>14505707
Greeks. Plato, Neoplatonists, and Arouca especially. Much of Christian dogma actually makes a lot more sense with a Greco-Roman starting point. The metaphysical oneness that the ancient philosophers discussed became the kosher Christian idea of god.

On the off-chance this isn't a troll, I would unironically recommend just watching some youtube videos on the book/thinker you are going to read to get a bit of familiarity with the ideas. Academy of ideas has good videos on Kierkegaard and Nietzsche.

>>14507056
gay ass occult server

>>14505405
You have to read Plato to understand philosophy. It's not a buffet you can pick and choose from.

>>14509033
I have realized that now, used to reading fantasy and fiction where you can pretty much pick and choose.

>>14505405
If you know spanish, Lecciones Preliminares de Filosofia by García Morente is a wonderful primer on filosofía.

Philosophy is a conversation, you can`t just jump in and expect to understand what`s going on.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1y8_RRaZW5X3xwztjZ4p0XeRplqebYwpmuNNpaN_TkgM/edit

>>14505405
>Nietzsche, Kierkegaard boring
I honestly find that hard to believe. Where did you start with them? They are both known for being provocative. I would recommend The Present Age by Kierkegaard and The Gay Science by Nietzsche if you want to try again. If you don't understand them, at least familiarize yourself with Plato, neo-Platonism and the Bible first. Don't treat it like you would easily consumable books, movies or YouTube videos. If you want to get something from it, it will take discipline and work.

>>14505405
start with the quran

>>14505405
Fanged Noumena.

>>14505526
>starting with exit-level Neech
Now that's Über.

>>14510219
I'm what they call ballsy

>>14509197
>philosophy is a conversation
seconded, you are honestly better off watching a few youtube videos on various school of philosophy and finding out 1) which ones you want to know more about and 2) if you into abstract pontificating at all. It's one thing hearing someone speak about ideas but it's much more difficult when ideas are fleshed out over the course of dozens of pages

>>14505415
Meditations is dry as fuck.
He repeats shit all the time.

OP Here. I have learned that I am most likely a rationalist from a test that seems to be popular. (philosophers wheel). I assume much of the greeks are rationalists? Who are some good rationalist philosophers?

>>14510477
That was debunked so just skip it.
Rene Give Her The Descartes would be a good start if you decide to read them anyway.