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Current meme twitter irony nihilism exists because of divorce from workplace materiality

Actual nihilism is a different beast

Can you be more specific about the kind of irony you think is particularly a problem. I am kind of dumb and don't get the big deal. Irony has existed in one form or another going back at least to the plays of the ancient Greeks, and though I understand that most people don't really mean dramatic irony when they talk about "irony poisoning" they do make whatever the bad irony is sounds so vague yet omnipresent that it seems that it could apply to any action undertaken with awareness of the action being undertaken. It would seem that irony is a circle and sincerity is a line according to these estimations, and so long as the knowledge remains that a thing could be connect to itself then this spectre of irony will remain present. I guess there is also the "irony" of saying one thing and doing another on purpose for comedic effect, or to engender confusion, kind of like trolling but as a cultural force? How is that any different really than having an exoteric and esoteric component with an outward facade meant to disorientate foes? Its just an in joke, right?

Like, I just don't really get it. Hopefully one of you can fill me in.

>>14500643
It is pretty undefined, really. I found this on wikipedia though:
>Irony and awkwardness
>The '90s saw an expansion of the definition of irony from "saying what one doesn't mean" into a "general stance of detachment from life in general",[64] this detachment serving as a shield against the awkwardness of everyday life. Humor from that era (most notably, Seinfeld) relies on the audience watching the show with some detachment from the show's typical signature awkward situations.

>The generation of people in the United States who grew up in the 90s, Millennials, are seen as having this same sort of detachment from serious or awkward situations in life, as well. Hipsters are thought to use irony as a shield against those same serious or genuine confrontations.[65]

>>14500558
How many sõy cycles did it take to get that M to an F

>>14500597
what do you mean by 'divorce from workplace mentality'

>>14500558
how do we solve the "how do we solve the irony and nihilism problem"-problem?

>>14500558
Is it genuine though? I feel like zoomer dogs are just copying internet millennial humour.

>>14500558
Nuke the internet

>>14501298
Sincerity

>>14501311
nah im good.
what is sincerity but another linguistic tought trap like authenticity?

>>14500643
Seems like everytime I read something from the 20th century I'll realize like a day later that I got meme'd. At a certain point, they're compensating for substance with irony because they think if they're genuine they'll get ripped apart. Which, they probably would desu, I'm not say DFW was a great writer, but I don't think he was a bad one. Though I guess he mostly gets memed on for his writing style.

Lack of inherent meaning leaves us to find our deliberative purposes.
Enjoy

>>14500558
By restoring art and virtue. The reason nihilism thrives is because it fills those two voids. Art of quality is replaced by the inferior good of clever irreverence, with cleverness proving to be the dispensable arm. Positive virtues are largely condemned so a rejection of negative virtues is easily transformed into a rejection of virtue in toto.

>>14501325
20 year old me would have believed that garbage.

>>14500597
>twitter irony nihilism
you mean 4chan

>>14501332
Its the bald faced facts of the matter. There is no inherent meaning. That’s nihilism. Are you in the wrong thread?

the egalitarian minded third wave feminism fueled nihilistic green era is coming to an end, or will soon. I think the sudden access to unlimited information online at our fingertips whenever we need it will help with this. With every revolution in technology comes a rapid shift in morality, we saw this with the industrial revolution and will see it again as we progress through the technological revolution. Zeitgeists are always fluid, never forget that. Never loose hope.

>>14501355
Value judgements aren't facts. They are judgements. Nihilism is one of many judgements you can make. It's the one you made.

>>14501371
And?
Sounds like you chose your purpose.

>>14500558
Irony is just a figure of speech
No one really knows what nihilism is (except that it rejects everything else) thus its appeal.

People that experience true suffering will never turn to nihilism. They will either turn to death or some divine ideal that comes with its own virtues and moral imperatives which in turn give meaning to everything else.
Sheltered lives afford us the luxury of what you call nihilism OP. In reality it is just people that haven't experienced anything.

>>14501493
Nihilism is the ’most attractive' attention whore of -isms

>>14501497
Ignorance, bliss, not discouraged

>>14500643
lmfao you don't ACTUALLY like X, do you brah? fukken SRSLY? AYYYOOOOOOOO LMFAO this dude LIKES X! doesn't he know he's just a cog in a machine, a mere slave meant to serve his betters? he has no control over anything, and if he tries anything we'll just hurt him for daring to rock the boat. only people better than him get to have opinions, thoughts, desires, and any day in their environment

not me, though, *heh*, i'm above that, sitting smugly behind layers of masks of identities, can't touch me bro! oh, you disagree with me? no skin off my bones LMFAO duuuuuude i dont ACTUALLY believe Y, i'm just using that as a cudgel to beat you into submission. fucking retard, thinking he can pindown my bigbrain beliefs, as if i ACTUALLY believed in anything!

>>14501381
no it means you’re retarded

>>14500643
ourang outan

>>14501539
So, self serving opportunistic people who display an asymmetry between their failure to articulate a positive vision and their hyper-active aggression toward anyone who can? And this functions as a kind of status game?

It seems like, going on your description, a kind of word game for signalling in-group status like an in-joke, only that the in-group may not even exist and it is a purely offensive action meant to demoralise someone by making them feel left out of the loop by simply implying that there is a loop in so many words.


Idk, it is still kind of confusing.

>>14501652
I mean, you could just say "discord tranny behavior" and it would mean the same thing.

Basically. I can't enforce my ideals or vision, but I can stab at those of others, and adopt a formlessness whenever cornered. "oh, I don't ACTUALLY believe that, I'm just critiquing you!"

>>14501796
Meant to quote
>>14501652

Through hyperbole.
Sincerity but exaggerated.
Eventually we'll be able to speak like the men of old again.

>>14500558
Call them out on it.

>>14501314
>xe asked, insincerely, dripping with ironic expectation

>>14501325
Lmao retard

>>14501593
>Has a problem with nihilism
>Claims to be above it
>u retardant
Ha!

>>14502223
And how do you come to this conclusion exactly?