/lit/ - Literature

this manga is so good sometimes I can't even believe it really exists

Drops of God, for all you winos out there.

>>14463252
Obligatory

>>14463260
Now read Aria

2001-ya Monogatari

>>14463326
Monster is probably the most /lit/ manga.

>>14463326
>>14463910
what makes it /lit/ and is the anime lit too?

It's a light novel and not manga, but Kino no Tabi a.k.a. Kino's Journey is one of the best things to come out of Japan.

Kaijuu no Kodomo
Hotel: since 2079

>>14463985
picked up the novel a while back but didn't start it
what makes it so good?

so you were weebs the whole fucking time.

>>14464623
Welcome to 4chan
Weebs have a universal presence across the entire website, not just /a/.

Blame is fucking excellent.

oyasumi punpun is pretty solid

>>14463948
>what makes it /lit/
The writing and character development is masterful, and it perfectly juggles so many different themes. Despite its length and the amount of side characters, nothing feels redundant, everything is connected in one way or another. None of the characters are left undeveloped, even those who are present for a short time, and none of them are one-dimensional. The plot is structured very carefully, and the storytelling is nuanced. It never provides clear and unambiguous answers to the themes and tackles. It entirely subverts typical expectations about anime and manga. There are no filler arcs, no gratuitous fanservice, no magic powers, etc.

>is the anime lit too?
Yes, it's basically a 1:1 adaptation.

>>14463252

D. Gray-Man or Hellsing are deeper than you may think.

>>14464689
I'd say it is absolutely nothing more than "pretty solid"

>>14464748
>tfw waiting for d.gray-man 235 to come out
the story itself is riddled with anime cliches but im extremely attached to the characters

do it faggot, post nijigahara holograph again so that i can go and rape that hairy ass of yours as you try to get some pretentiousness elite-esque points in a fucking chinese owned image board.

Aku no Hana is actually stunning, unironically better than most literature I've read

/lit/'s taste is fucking atrocious

>>14463326
>>14463910
No! No! NO!
Save yourself from this monstrosity.
This here is not only an autistic representation of the human spirit! It is a work that you could only say "It's so fucking bad that it isn't even the good bad".
The Japanese Mangaka are utterly incapable of understanding how the species "Homo Sapiens Sapiens" interact with each other at all. All the adult characters are acting like complete children. The dialogue is cringe and a 3.6 Roentgen to the actual way Czech and Germans speak. The main character is the biggest Mary Sue I have EVER FUCKING SEEN (outside of Chinese YA novels).
>But- but- the symbolism?!?
Fuck the symbolism, holy fucking shit. "DO YOU GET IT YET? THE REAL MONSTER IS NOT A SERIAL KILLING LOON! BUT HIS MOTHER! YEAH THE FUFCKING MOTHBER WAS THE REAL MONSTER ALL ALONG!"
"HIHIHI, WOWSIE THE MAIN CHARACTER IS IN A DESERT REPRESENTING THE DESERT OF THE HUMAN MIND! wow SO DEEP."

All of it would be forgiven, in time, were it not for the fact... it has 74. fucking episodes. And there isn't even any development! It's just the same shit "I must Kill Johan for he is evil" type of thing that is just postponed by the most irrelevant things ever.

Don't watch it, Don't watch any badly animated anime, just stick to books.
PCE

>>14465407
this guy writes like a total fag but he is basically right. monster is not good and is less than the sum of its parts, which themselves are mostly shit.

>>14465407
Urasawa is a fucking hack
Have you checked 20th century boy? Jesus Christ he has teenage tier understanding of politics.

*ahem*

>>14465279
Kill yourself brainlet, Nijigahara is a top-tier Lynchian fever dream retelling of Buddhist lore.

I haven't found a Manga or Comic that is better or somehow equal than an average good book. Unless you are a child or are more interested in the drawings than the rest you should not waste your time with them.
Everything from Asterix to Tintin to Berserk to oyasumi punpun can be entertaining. Be aware, that they are overhyped by children, teenagers and manchildren that don't know any better.
Mangas often excell at world building but fail at the last third of the story or try to create geniuses that are clearly cleverer than their writers.

I’m surprised at how well this came together in the end, it’s incredibly cohesive for a series that ran nearly two decades and everything is wrapped up in a satisfying and mostly well paced manner.

Friend offered to lend me his Berzerk (or how it is specifically called).
I have seen scenes from the original anime only.
Is it good?
I fear that if I take up on the offor and then dont like it she will get mad or be disappointed when I will be obliged to share my impressions of it.

>>14463252
Unironically sports manga, because somehow there is a few good sports books in the West

>>14464617
The setting and her travels are a vehicle for the author to discuss certain political, moral, and philosophical ideas through the lens of the different countries she visits. Thus better than 99% of anime tripe that's out there. The original anime series is good too, the remake series suffers from modernization.

Pluto
Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind
Punpun

Midori : Shoujo Tsubaku

>>14466139
Based

>>14465338
Tfw got it in physical volumes recently

>>14463252
Nobody said Aoi Bungaku ? Really ?
It's literally a compendium of Japanese Novels of the 20th century as Anime.
The Artwork is excellent and differs to match the Piece, including:
No Longer Human
Kokoro
Run Melos
The Spider's Thread
The Hell Screen

>ctrl+f
>'Gunslinger Girls'
>0/0
what the fuck, /lit/?

Naruto and Death Note are so fucking cool!

>>14466314
Yu-Gi-Oh! > Pukeman
B)

>>14464623
>>r/literature

>>14463326
shit, what was the episode with the message on the water pipe, i dropped it years ago and want to get back to it, ive no idea where i was

Real

>>14466803
Episode 17 - "Reunion"

>>14463252

>>14463985
Anime (2004) > LN >>> Anime (2017)

>>14467152
Nah the novel is better. But then again I've never read the official translation, only the fan works.

>>14465769
Like with most topics, there's some great works out there but you will never hear people talk about them since the vast majority of readers never bother looking into more than the generic action series or whatever the top 50 most popular titles are.
Pic related is Nejishiki for example, it's really well known if you have even the most passable knowledge about experimental manga works and it gets referenced all over the place (Spirited Away had some nod to it too IIRC) but somehow desuarchive returns less than 40 results if you search the title.
It's like trying to talk about literature and being met by a mass of people who only read American YA novels and whose general knowledge stops at what they had to learn about in high school.

>>14465913

It’s good, just read it

Haruka na Machi e

>>14463985
>so good it has kino in the name

>>14463252
YKK has the best ending I've ever seen in any medium. It's so perfect.

most japanese comics are just unimaginative anime storyboards.

omoide emanon

>>14464678
doubled

MW

>>14465338
The best manga I've ever read. The tension at the end of each episode, the taboo being broken, the spleen and the infinite dissatisfaction. And the anime is even better, the ugliness of the animation and the creepy soundtrack make the whole thing even more suffocating. Sadly, retarded weebs prefered their moeshit and there won't ever be a second season of the anime.
Have you read the actual Baudelaire poems?

>>14465411
Kurosawa hits right at home

Planetes

The thing about manga is that it usually feels similar to either a really good tv show or a really good movie. It rarely feels similar to a really good book. Especially not a serious weighty novel. Not that those are the only good ones.

Dorohedoro is probably my favourite manga. The overall theme is pretty simplistic but executed exceedingly well, and despite being a labyrinthine mystery story written over 18 years, every plot thread and event is explained in a consistent manner, all the characters were fleshed out and felt important to the overall story and message of the series even if some didn’t get quite as much time to shine as they deserved, and the final act was actually satisfying which is something a lot of long form stories struggle to manage regardless of the medium. Q Hayashida’s art has a very distinct look to it that perfectly complements the series’ bizarre tone as well.

Her new series Dai Dark is already much more comedic and bizarre than Dorohedoro, so I’m looking forward to seeing what her plan for it is.

>>14463252

>>14463985
are there any novels like this? just travelling around? Gullivers Travels is kinda similar but I dont know any other than that

Nana

>>14466093
Pluto and Nausicaa are both good reads that handle with relatively profound themes and concepts in a well executed narrative.
Punpun, on the other hand, is torture porn which shows unrealistic amounts of misery to victimize their poorly developed characters. How can an average japanese (remember, this intends to be a realistic drama) interact with cult terrorism, murder, suicide and plastic surgery obssession through almost every other person he knows? Inio portrays Japan as a psycho crowd where everyone struggles with intense egoistical feelings which they try to satisfy instead of the passive hive mind it is.
Other Inio manga I have read is Solanin, which was dull as fuck but at least it was subtle and not an edgelord melodrama.

>>14472823
Nausicaä's really good.

Kono Sekai no Owari e no Tabi

Kokou no hito

>>14473301
Why? I've read it and I saw nothing more than a clumsy caricature about human nature made up by pretentious symbols, which ironically lacks any depth or development. It feels like constant dissasociation which does not assemble any idea

>>14473334
Came here to post this.

>>14465446
I read it years ago but don't remember any of it. Give me a quick rundown.

I just marathoned YKK. Manga is for kids. Why is Japanese culture so stunted? They have the technical ability to produce, but the output is bland like their food.

>>14464120
Based

>>14463252
Name, please?

>>14465407

>>14473700
I don't get it either. Shit like that is so alien to me both in its writing limitations and how people endlessly praise works like that. It's disenheartening that the majority of people don't realize this, that anime/manga are pretty pictures with zero substance. It's meaningless dopamine releases but without any artistic integrity, thought, or value put into the writing to back themselves off once the effect wears off.
The proof is in this very thread, people recommending "/lit/ manga" as the height of the medium. "Trust me, it's different from what the masses usually like, I promise!" And they aren't wrong, the stuff here generally seems to pick the best the medium has to offer, but that in itself is sad. It's like consuming the cream of the crop of educational television for literal children. Good if you yourself still have the mental capacity of a child, bad if you had any ounce of self-respect.

>>14464623
4chan is inherently a weeb site.

>>14473730
It says right there

Robert Louis Stevenson, Hans Christian Anderson, Alexandre Dumas, Jules Verne. Imagine a childhood where your parents let you slop on Japanese sex cartoons instead of introducing you to the cannon.

>>14463326
>>14464727
Started out good and soon turned to utter shit with no value whatsoever.

Because of how slow the story was it resulted in things happening for no reason.

>>14463252
The violent, chaotic, and sexual world of Narutaru.

>>14465913
It's really good, for an anime, but just watch the 97 series first. It's better than the manga(save excluding some early parts) and finishes as the story starts to go down hill.

Read the manga up to the same point after the show.

>>14473777
Cringe.

>>14472627
I've been looking for something like that too. The Road is somewhat on that mark but not quite what I want.

>>14465939
Fantastic taste

>>14472627
>>14474235
You could try reading travel narratives. Mark Twain's The Innocents Abroad is a fun one and is semi-fiction.

Shoujo Shuumatsu Ryokou

>>14463252
Where's a good place to download this?

>>14463985
>>14465338
>>14470175
>>14463252
Based
>>14472627
Marco Polo travels, The invisible cities by Italo Calvino
>>14463252
Now read Platero y yo

>this thread
>No potato heads

>>14465407
Based

my personal favorites are holyland, kokou no hito, blame, naruto, shin angyo onshi, recently started reading blade of the immortal and i seem to be liking it more thn vagabond and berserk. 20th century boy and a couple more i want to read. I also read firepunch lately and that one was weird af.

They are relaxing entertainment for me, their normal literature is more important but thats okay.

How Japan is so based with these comics? Im Lelgian and we also have a good amount of comics but they seem to be shitting out entertaining stuff weekly. Also fuck anime.

>>14475605
francobelgian comics(and other european comics) > manga

>>14472823
Punpun is not a work of realism.

>>14475622
Which ones? A lot of them are mediocre in their own unique way. They have a cool original aesthetic like manga but the substance is not always there. (Not that it's always there with manga either)

>>14475605
Fire Punch is amazing in a both terrible and amazing kind of way. It doesn't make my top 10 but it is probably one of the craziest mangas I have ever read.

>>14475677
personaly, as a lelgian in question, stuff that i enjoyed alot are asterix, tintin, lucky luke, xii, persepolis.. recently read a couple blake and mortimers and they are pre good too

also, as someone who enjoys manga, i have not read one that i went and say "woah", the only one in question is the golden age arc in berserk that was legit greatness but the overall quality of the series makes it kinda bad oh and blame! that one impressed me tons too

>>14475677
off the top of my head asterix, blueberry, incal, blast and corto maltese

>>14463320
True. A bit more /ck/ material. But still fun manga.

>>14472627
Shoujo Shuumatsu. It's a manga though and I haven't read it, but the anime is pretty good. Made in Abyss is more complex than just "travelling around", but the worldbuilding is amazing, I'd go as far as to say it's a masterpiece, although it's not finished yet.

one of the rare cases where a manga adaptation is better than the original novel.

Ashizuri Suizokukan

I just marathoned YKK. Manga is for kids. Why is Japanese culture so stunted? They have the technical ability to produce, but the output is bland like their food.
Well, I don't get it either. Shit like that is so alien to me both in its writing limitations and how people endlessly praise works like that. It's disenheartening that the majority of people don't realize this, that anime/manga are pretty pictures with zero substance. It's meaningless dopamine releases but without any artistic integrity, thought, or value put into the writing to back themselves off once the effect wears off. The proof is in this very thread, people recommending "/lit/ manga" as the height of the medium. "Trust me, it's different from what the masses usually like, I promise!" And they aren't wrong, the stuff here generally seems to pick the best the medium has to offer, but that in itself is sad. It's like consuming the cream of the crop of educational television for literal children. Good if you yourself still have the mental capacity of a child, bad if you had any ounce of self-respect.

>>14476379
ykk isnt really meant to be deep or anything, its the scenery that invokes a sense of nostalgia and stuff, the gatherings of people, the rising sea level etc especially if you are from the country, i dont see how ykk could have been much better, it achieved what it wanted to be, but i do agree that people make it out to be that these mangas are imporant or something, they are just entertaining

>>14476379
>Why is Japanese culture so stunted?
This is just straight up wrong. And i don't fuck with weeabooism

>>14473777
do you want me to give you big boy points now? faggot

>>14476379
Popular culture is stunted regardless of where it originated from. It’s popular for a reason.

>>14475345
yugenykk.org

>>14476379
>Why is Japanese culture so stunted?
>Anyways, you guys listen to that new Drake album? I was listening to it on my Airpod Pros while eating a Big Mac and it was amazing !!!!

>>14473334
I fucking hate this one and how it's held up. It's peak "midwit" so to speak, filled with the promise that it's going to lead to something good at every turn then falling flat with each step.

>>14477374
>It's peak midwit
So is describing things you don't like.

Pretty much everything by Ishiguro Masakazu
Present for Me
And Yet the Town Moves
Heavenly Delusion

>>14472627
Last Gentleman by Walker Percy is kind of similar, while there's a larger central cast and framing plot there's a lot of characters that have small arcs and recur nicely.

Really? Surprised it isn't here, but Houseki no Kuni, and all the author's other work.

Palepoli

>>14475763
where can I read this?I'm highly interested

>>14473744
You say that as if there weren't people who enjoy the sensation of their blood boiling from rage.

>>14475763
Does it still have that scene where the monster takes the form of the scientist's deceased wife and rapes him for his sperm?

Is there a good place to download mangas from?

>>14463252
Onanie Master Kurosawa

>>14480549
madokami has a large database. you need to make an account tho.

>>14477042
>while eating a Popeye's Chicken Sandwich
Ftfy famalam

>>14463252
Reading it as a result of this thread

You're right, it's extremely /lit/, really enjoying it

>>14463252
Surprised no one has posted this yet.

What manga do Japanese people actually consider good?

What's a good one volume manga?

>>14479280
>Bort is bald now

>>14465525
Araki senpaiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

>>14479280
I love this but it's really more visually stunning than anything. The story and characters are all kind of a mess. But god dam. The artwork is done so well
>especially if ylire into young girls, skinny andro bitches, and feet.

>>14481860
Manga is largely an export industry, they don't consume it domestically because they understand it's childishness, but there is money to be made and the Japanese are an industrious people.

>>14463252
Gantz

>>14481837
What would I give to be a neet and graciously lavish myself by going through that entire list.
:'(

>>14482114
You can get a lot done with manga in 2 hours. You don’t at all need to be a neet to have the time

/tv/ tourist gere ,can someone explain to me why novels are a better form of storytelling than movies/anime/manga ?

>>14481700
Good!

>>14482322
have you read neither?

>>14482413
I read 1984 a few days ago

>>14463252
Kino coming thru

>Children Crusades The Manga

Read Kami no Kodomo

Lychee Hikari Club

Pretty people and pretty violence

>>14463326
Monster is not that good. Its plot is incredibly well-crafted... but it lacks theme after the Vampire saga. It's good, but not that good. It's not perfect like HxH.

>>14482039
Extremely wrong

>>14464727
Johan dressing himself as his sister is dull and old as Euripides bad plays like Iphigenia in Aulis.

>>14473908
All of those are Melodramas.
Zola, Dostoievski, Tolstoi... those are the real masters.

>>14463326
i dont get the appeal of monster. its nowhere near is good as people claim. its not bad, but there are way better manga out there than monster

>>14481837
>.hack//sign
>Angel's Egg
>Count of Monte Cristo
>Ghost in the Shell
>Haibane Renmei
>Samurai X: Trust and Betrayal
>Macross Motherfucking PLUS
>Metropolis
>Neon Genesis Evangelion
>Perfect Blue
>Patlabor
>Revelutionary Girl Utena
>Serial Experiments Lain
I know its kinda petty but I feel pretty vindicated right now, especially with .hack// and Haibane Renmei. I remember feeling sick to my stomach after my sister convinced me to watch Sword Art Online and was like, "OMG its better than .hack!"

Holy fuck no its not. The continuity of the series is fantastic across all mediums, but the incredibly subtle relationship between the short novel AI Buster and the Sign anime was pretty heart wrenching once you spotted it.

In particular, there was one episode where Bear has a conversation with Mimiru about how the human hand is grown in the womb, and mentions that: "Cells between the fingers selectively die, but as a result fingers are created."

He says this at the location Delta Hidden Forbidden Holy Ground, and the camera even pans on the chapel while he speaks about it.

If you understand the significance of the subject matter and the location from the novel, it just fucks me all up emotionally, I got teary eyed thinking about it just now, what a great series.

is beserk any good? i really admire the souls game design and would be interested in the inspiration

>>14482624
It has its moments, but its definitely a shounen.

>>14482624
It’s great but not excellent in my opinion. At its best it’s amazing and thoroughly enjoyable, but as it goes on those moments get fewer and further between. It’s become clear that the author has lost almost all passion for it too. It’s relentlessly edgy which is very entertaining, but can come across as kind of embarrassing and juvenile in certain scenes while working in others. It’s worth giving a try, but it’s one of those series that is aggressively overrated by fanboys. As long as you temper your expectations you’ll be sure to get some enjoyment out of it. There’s a reason it’s so well liked despite being heavily flawed.

>>14482597
Haibane Renmei touched my heart like no other television series ever has.

>>14481837
>Shinsekai Yori
recently watched this for some reason, it had a cool plot with some depth but was ultimately marred for me by the fact that upwards of 75% of all scenes (especially after the final timeskip) were completely stupid and unnecessary and expendable, which is a shame because it does have some very /lit/ parts to it.
it almost makes me want to make a watchlist, but the story flows so tightly together that i think a supercut would be more appropriate

>>14466986
anon you can't tell me that the ending was good in any sense of the word.

>>14482939
i saw the movie and i thought the ending was good
how does it differ in the mango?

>>14482799
I remember I dropped it halfway through. didn't seem /lit/ whatsoever, it started out framing a neat neo-fantasy world and then turned into some harry potter bullshit.

>>14483062
lol what show did you watch?

>>14473965
don't listen to this, start with the manga

>>14483081
I somewhat agree with him, it was hunger games shit, but even the disparaged protagonists lacked convictions. No one is worth caring about in such a pompous yet castrated world. Overall just felt like a gimmick para-magic look at humanity's contemptibleness.

>>14483062
the ending is quite /lit/, and some of the beginning is
the weird magic school parts at the beginning were cool albeit a bit slow paced, but after the kids got lost during the camping trip thing (not sure how far you got) it really took a turn for the worse, the plot became a boring crawl with no artistic substance whatsoever, but with some /lit/ scenes sprinkled in, like when the kids almost fucked each other after getting put in the monster rat cage, that was kino
honestly if you just pay attention to the /lit/ parts its a cool show, i think it would really benefit from a supercut movie like madoka
>>14483157
the main character does kinda suck

>>14482589
sorry sweatie, no criticism of naoki urasawa is allowed in this thread, please show yourself out

>>14479861
yes

>>14479844
No idea. I bought it on paper. I don't even know if it was ever translated into English, although there is apparently an official Italian translation.
If you can find scans but not a translation, post a link here, I might just translate it.

how has this thread not gotten pruned yet wtf

>>14483254
there ain’t no mods here in /alit/ country

>>14483157
lmao what? Are you sure you're even talking about the same show? I see no resemblance to what you are describing. Did you just read a summary or something and are pretending that you watched it? This sounds exactly like my coworkers at Barnes & Noble years ago who'd pretend they read books but when they talked about them it was painfully obvious they didn't and were just describing a movie adaptation but were trying to pass off that knowledge as having read the actual book.

>>14483254
manga is literature cunt

>>14482624
Golden Age Arc is great.

>>14483304
by "Hunger Games", i think he may be referring to the kids being killed by the impure (?) cats at the order of the head counsel (i never read the hunger games)

>>14483324
What kind of moron would look at something that inconsequential to the actual work and come to the conclusion that its "harry potter" and "hunger games" lmao did anon watch it on fast forward or again did they just read a summary? I am literally mind blown right now at how someone could so utterly miss what the show was about, I cannot even wrap my mind around it

>>14483304
I don't see how what I said is unbelievable.
>>14483324
I mean melodramatic dystopic fiction centering around youth struggle.

>>14483341
Watch it again or just stop dude, this is really embarassing

>>14483341
>>14483346
stop arguing about vietnamese picture books

>>14483331
>>14483346
>LITERALLY CANNOT believe you rn omg! LMAO

>>14483254
>mods on /lit/

>>14483350
stop arguing about european word cartoons desu

>>14483311
Why is there never a comic thread then?

>>14483341
>I mean melodramatic dystopic fiction centering around youth struggle
i can see that

Wow. Can't believe no one has posted HxH yet.

>>14483396
>Wow. Can't believe no one has posted HxH yet.
>>14482541
look how stupid you look

>>14483401
Anon only mentioned it.

>>14483405
mentioned how perfect it is

>>14483356
Grow up

>>14483396
>>14483401
>>14483405
>>14483408
Okay I'll bite, is HunterxHunter really that good, or are you two just memeing?

>>14483419
i never said anything about HxH, i just wanted to bug that anon

>>14483419
hunterxhunter is the best shonen anime of the decade.

>>14483419
It’s pretty good but the memeing about it being the most intellectual manga of all time is just that, memeing. It starts off as just alright, but as it goes along it actually gets quite good and goes places you wouldn’t expect it to. Togashi is a good author and especially in the later arcs you can pick up on a lot of his literary influences quite strongly. Worth giving a try at the very least.

>>14483376
when a good western comic is made there will probably be one

>>14483440
what about western graphic novels?

>>14465386
Kill yourself moe cunt

>>14464623
gomenasai

I’m morbidly curious about the Dorohedoro anime. The 2D segments and the art direction surprisingly look on point, but the 3DCG just looks so fucking bad.

>>14480788
based

>>14472627
Journey to the end of the night

>>14483440
Name a single manga that’s better than Watchmen.

>>14471712
>masterful art
>amazing characters
>deep themes
yeah, I'm thinking it's /lit/

>>14482765
My man, go read shoujo shuumatsu ryokou

>>14468235
Just downloaded Nejishiki and some of the authors other works. Garo seems interesting, i'll look around and see if any issue is translated.
Who else would you recommend anon? And where do you acquiere copies of these kind of manga? Have it be either physical or electronical

>>14463252
>/lit/ is better at /a/ than /a/
Impressive.

>>14483777
Will do, it's been on my backlog for some time now.

>>14483331
I dropped it halfway through the series you fucking retard. maybe if you read my post clearly >>14483062
you could wrap your smooth little pea brain around the fact that we have different opinions

What's the reader to use nowadays? I used CDisplayEx back in the day but it's been a while since I read manga

>>14484650
I just use nomacs, it works well enough

>>14482630
>>14482713
thanks a ton!

>>14463320
Uh, remember this one being on fakku about 10 years ago.

>>14482624
Yes. Watch the anime first. Then after the memory fades read the manga.

So manga>books is that right?

>>14483712
>Unfinished and in hiatus

I mean I've read the book but it's still saddening.

>>14484869
>some sensationalist robot battles vs real life experiences

>>14484869
Oregairu is good, though. Atleast the Light Novel.

>>14484955
You watching anime for real life?
Romcoms and slice of life cancer anime

>>14465939
Truthfully I find Adachi's works to be quite clichéd, more often than not, with the theme almost always being the passion of youth, set in the backdrop of the Kōshien. Sport YA basically.
They are definitely well-crafted though and I would still recommend checking out his short stories at the very least, which are arguably something he excels at

>>14463326
>>14463910
you guys have awful taste

>>14463326
>>14465407
>>14485313
Monster remains prime pleb filter.

>>14485324
>heh heh, my entry level poorly written "deep" anime has people who don't like it. What a bunch of plebs. I'm so fucking smart.

>>14482498
Oh boy yes, a history book most exquisite.

>>14485331
an 'entry level poorly written "deep" anime' would be something like Death Note or code gayass. Monster gets the same complaints every time, that's it should have been one thing when it was doing the other. Besides being a grinding look at good and evil in a sensible realist context, which is a rarity in anime/manga, it transcends into struggle of meaning against non-meaning. It's the closest in the genre i've seen to a Dosto novel.

>>14482510
Tokyo Grand Guignol at its finest.

https://desuarchive.org/a/thread/197614238/#197615051

The post discussing /lit/'s taste in manga on /a/ got deleted in minutes , whilst the post discussing manga on /lit/ is still up.

Seriously fuck the jannies on /a/

>>14485402
/a/ has always been the most anally strict board on the site. They're obsessed with keeping culture, which is both admirable and not because their culture is shit.

>>14483652
Read Chichi no Koyomi

>>14485412
Is /tv/ the anti /a/ in that regard ?

>>14485412
If only /mu/ and /a/ switched jannies

>>14485431
>>14485454
/t/ and /mu/ are both long gone. /lit/ could certainly from at least one janny though.

>>14485402
Bernard-jou is pretty /lit/ that's true.

>no homunculus

>>14483014
The manga had potentials but ultimately became very mediocre. Park Chan-wook only took its premise and made a pretty excellent and much better script out of that
If you haven't read it, honestly don't bother

>>14481837
Tomorrow's Joe is a once in a generation masterpiece.

>>14486526
thx 4 the reply but you didnt answer my question

No one has mentioned one piece?

>>14466241

Where from, which edition?

>>14482102
Gantz is trash

Bump

>>14484727
bad advice

>>14465411
>>14470449
Based. Best manga I've read to date.

>>14475605
>How Japan is so based with these comics? Im Lelgian and we also have a good amount of comics but they seem to be shitting out entertaining stuff weekly. Also fuck anime.

This is something I've thought about too, so I decided to vomit all of it for your enjoyment seeing how the thread hasn't gotten removed. I think the ultimate issue here is that the Japanese have on some level a much better understanding of the rather obvious fact that comics are a medium that is half visual, so there's nothing about writing per se. I swear I had a couple of examples saved, but evidently gave them unguessable filenames and I'm not going to find anything alse especially with Mangadex down at the moment.

The best example of Japanese superiority in visual communication is to look at Western comic adaptations of books. Old Classics Illustrated types of things were much better, but these days, almost all of them seem to include huge yellow boxes with extended quotes from the original work. Meanwhile a shit ton of manga is an adaptation of a light novel, but you'd never know it, because the artists are able to work the exposition in their images. (Of course, light novels are shit and often written multimedia adaptations in mind, so it's also easier.)

As much as people might criticize the bug-eyes and huge sweatdrops, they are an example of just that. Manga has its own language of visual symbols and even half-witted second-rates seem to have immersed themselves in it deeply enough to be able to deploy it passably. There are also various codified styles like chibi or Fist of the North Star -homage that can be used to change the mood or deliver a visual punchline that are simply non-existent in the West.

Thus, manga is more impressionist and symbolist in its approach which are better in conveying the intended mood. Meanwhile much of the West appears to be enamored with realism to the detriment of their ability to show emotions as opposed to telling it through thought bubbles. And yes, the sweatdrops originate from Disney and all that, but in general I've found this to be the case.

There's also differences in panelling and pacing. Take a look at Franco-Belgian comics some time and look only at the panels. I can guarantee that almost any you pick up will have rectangles and the occasional square, maybe some funky stuff for action scenes if you're lucky. But a lot of the time you can see two rows of rectangles neatly lined up the same way page after page, and nothing wrong with that if there's a reason for that. But there rarely is any, and I've seen entire albums with the exact same layout for every page. Americans are much better with their panelling, but are too stuck in their ways to go far enough or just plain don't think it quite through.

>>14487592

Manga, on the other hand, treats panels more as a rule of thumb for when you can't come up with anything niftier. This allows for much more efficient positioning and posing of characters or important objects or what have you, whereas a grid forces you to certain constraints and even Americans tend to have some kind of layout they slavishly wish to obey. The Japanese also tend to design the page with the reader's eye in mind. The placement of every speech bubble, character or close-up or whatever is designed for a smooth sailing experience should you wish for it, but often enough also have additional details to appreciate if you take it all in. Again, the West has maybe background gags in comedies, but that's about it, yet my eyes still tend to bounce up and down or take a moment to settle the order. And there exists the occasional arrow between the panels to make the order clear which just shouldn't happen. Usually in older stuff, yeah, but still I've run into maybe one or two mangas in my time where the author had to resort to that and even then I'm half-convinced at least one of them was a joke. That said, there definitely is a shit ton of Japanese authors who become victims of their own cleverness or just plain suck. But there seems to be an underlying understanding and a goal that most Western authors lack or are denied by their rigid adherence to geometrical panels.

And of course, where the zany panelbreaks are employed depends on the pacing and in that the Japanese, I feel, are in a way inferior, but, for modern purposes of people marathoning on their computers, better. Americans tend to publish their stuff in magazines and work their stories to fit those episodes with each chapter usually, in my experience, attempting to tell a complete story in and of itself, even if they fit together in a larger narrative. Most Europeans, meanwhile, prefer the album format, where everything has to fit the album. The Japanese on the other hand, publish in magazines and then collect them to albums and care about the constraints of neither. In a way then, this is lazyness in storytelling, and annoying if you're waiting for monthly updates, but no one sitting on their computer reading through the complete story is going to notice. On the contrary, they are going to appreciate the story strolling on on its own weight.

This allows manga to have a more natural pacing, I think, whereas I've often felt that Western comics lack the time to breathe or had to rush one thing or another because of the predetermined page count. In general, there's also a difference between Americans and the rest of the world in the emphasis on non-stop action and constant climaxes, where it's forgotten that a good climax needs a good build-up. And much of Europe is more Americanized in this respect than Japan, even the French.

/lit/-approved mangaka:

Tsutomu Takahashi
Taiyo Matsumoto
Tsutomu Nihei
Yoshihito Tatsumi
Tetsuya Toyoda
Osamu Tezuka
Jiro Taniguchi
Minoru Furuya
Inio Asano
Usamaru Furuya
Nobuyuki Fukumoto
Jiro Matsumoto
Mitsuru Adachi
Hitoshi Iwaaki
Takehiko Inoue

I'll drop my 2 cents here and try to mention stuff that wasn't already.

Vinland Saga up through Farmland is great and definitely worth a read.

Dungeon Meshi is an original fantasy work inspired by old tabletop and doesn't fall into traps others do.

Made in Abyss is worth a check for the setting alone which regretfully gets skipped over the longer it goes on. Still worth looking into for that and it's strong characterization.

Jitsu wa Watashi wa is like great comfort food. It won't challenge your ideals, try to teach you things you didn't know, or set out to shock you. Simple romcom done REALLY well with very few shortcomings.

Wombs is probably the most 'book-like' manga on this list. An original sci-fi world that explores what it's like to be a pregnant soldier.

Spirit Circle/Biscuit Hammer/Sengoku Youko. There's a running joke that each of these are better than the other and it's true because they're all very different and have shortcomings that annoy some people more than others but at the end of the day they're all great and deserve to be read. Spirit Circle is the best, fite me.

Although it's been mentioned already I strongly suggest Punpun. It's a very insightful look into self-loathing supported by strong art and characterization.

For anime I suggest Nagi no Asukara.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnsZkqHPS4M

>>14463252
>tfw don't see the eternally best manga ever conceived mentioned in this thread
Feels good to be so patrician that most of /lit/ won't even get close to enjoying it.

>>14464120
the only manga I ever bought the entire set for - other than Kaoru Mori's Emma
Del Rey Manga went bust in 2010 while they were publishing this, so they rushed out the last 3 volumes of the English translation as a single giant volume instead of 3 individual ones
these are available as kindle editions in English, but when is some other company finally going to get the rights to republish one of the best manga this century? it's weird having something out of print that's going for over $100 a volume - I'd rather it was more accessible for everyone

>>14488771
tell us you fuck

>>14487436
How?

>>14481837
>Uzumaki
I mean, I like Junji Ito, but besides the horrible deaths, all in Uzumaki has flaws.

>Watashitachi no Shiawase na Jikan
What is the fucking difference between a typical shoujo/josei manga and this? I always found it as a pretentious romance, which is what it is.
Anyway, I would also include in your list Girls' Last Tour and at least one work from Satoshi Mizukami.

>>14482039
How, if almost nothing gets officially translated besides the typical shonenshit?

>>14483652
>t. only has read surface level seinen stuff

>>14484869
you can speak whatever you want about quality but don't you dare striping me off the little girls, they are MINE.

>>14481860
so nobody knows besides the wrong guy? is manga like their disney channel for kids? that would be extremely awkward because it means you're all reading deeply into work intended for young teenagers or grade schoolers....

>>14489067
Manga has a bunch of different age demographics, the most lucrative demographic is the one for teenage boys. This is why most popular anime and manga is usually action or soft core porn, sometimes both.

>>14488771
But Hunter x Hunter was already mentioned several times?

>>14489067
If i remember correctly "Huckleberry Finn" is a children's book and so is Harry potter and The Hobbit.....ect
If you judge a work by the "age demographic" rather than the actual content of the work than you're being extremely superficial.

>>14488642
>Spirit Circle is the best, fite me.
I won't. Because it's true.

>>14463252
ENGLISH TRANSLATION WHEN

>>14464678
Blame is my fave manga of all time

Anything by Tsutomu Nihei is amazing, his art looks like my fucking dreams

>>14463252
>Yokohama Kaidashi Kikō
Love that shit
>>>/f/3414254

So this is where all the seinen fags went after they left /a/.

>>14465407
>The dialogue is cringe and a 3.6 Roentgen to the actual way Czech and Germans speak.
This.
The entire fucking Czech chapters of the Manga disappointed me so fucking much.
Especially for a Manga with so many Biblical themes and references, it barely does anything with the story.

>>14470439
i have. theres not much relation

>>14491938
apparently

>>14491938
seinen Chads*

>>14491179
His art has unfortunately degenerated in recent years, but his early stuff is excellent. The end of Blame and the first half of Biomega were the zenith of his output imo.

>>14494259
I wouldn't say that. His art is still really detailed, it's just that he's using as little color as necessary.

>>14494393
I haven’t actually read Aposimz yet, I felt it was getting kinda sketchy looking in Knights of Sidonia but that does actually look decent and like he has gotten better at the minimalist style he uses now. Might finally check it out. And I guess it’s less that his art got worse and more that it’s harder to keep doing the insane amount of detail he used to do on a regular schedule as he gets older. His art is still great as ever on non serialised stuff where he can spend as much time as he likes on it.

>>14470175
>>14473334
solid

>>14463985
Any other LN's worth checking out? Just started Welcome to the NHK since I figured I'd rather get the original story before the anime and am pretty disappointed so far, though I'm only about 2 chapters in.
Is monogatari any good, and if so what order should it be read in?

>>14494916
>Any other LN's worth checking out?
Spice & Wolf, the anime is extremely comfy too.

>>14485383
muhh good is supergod Tenma and bbad are all psychos! MEANING IS TO BE USEFUL TOOL TO SOCIETY! AND NON MEANING IS TO DO WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT.

>>14473700
>bland like their food
What? Unagi and, teriyaki, and calamari is pretty good. What are you talking about.
I here you though, anime/manga just seems very basic and juvenile in it's attempts at capturing human emotion, especially humor.
I don't like their idea of over the top humor, this is probably the anglophile coming out of me though.

>>14481837
>Bride's story
My nigga

>>14482484
Most of us can't read Japanese, dude
What is the title?

>>14463252

>>14495712

>>14466139
this

>>14464623
You are on a website that was created specifically to discuss anime and manga

>>14465530
i liked his mango where the little kids had sex and the girl wanted to upgrade to chad and ended up sad while the boy was happy.

>>14473744
yes, it's how i can tell i'm still alive

I haven't been on /lit/ in a couple months. When did this place get overrun by faggots? This is off-topic and manga is not even close to literature.

If any of you say punpun I am going to punch you in the dick

>>14480788
why did he cuck out and get with the class whore?

>no one mentioned Saturn Apartments yet
ngmi lads

>>14495888
>162 unique posters on /lit/
Something is not right.

>>14495888
There are some good manga, but most of the ones mentioned here are not they

>>14495953
It not /lit/, bro. Manga is a visual medium and anyone that says otherwise is not a true fan of manga or literature.

>>14495888

>>14463252
https://discord.gg/wSzFjSU

>>14495890
Too late bro but to make you feel better, here you go.
PunpunPunpunPunpunPunpunPunpunPunpunPunpunPunpunPunpunPunpunPunpun

>>14496028
i agree with that

>>14496028
Looks like someone doesn't read Hunter x Hunter.

>>14481666
BASED

>>14481837
>Metropolis
Great art wasted on a boring story.
>Time of Eve
Incredibly boring besides the bit with the mute robot which was kind of interesting. The rest is stuff you can find done better in other works.

bump,

>>14495465
This is so retardedly reductive that you can level any story with a moralistic bent this way.

>>14483376
because comic books are fucking gay. what are you 12?

I’m gonna say it. Gantz was based.

>>14484869
anime is for cgdct, manga is for high test action.
refute this, i dare you.

>>14498025
>implying cgdct isn't high test action

>>14498047
cgdct raises test, but it isn't about high test individuals.

>>14481837
The fuck makes any of these "lit"? Its just a collection of critically acclaimed works with a random .Hack inclusion. The only difference between this and "top 70 anime" is that the latter would have Madoka Magica in it.

any deleuzian manga (not dark deleuze, acc or weirdo transgender queer theorist shit)?

>>14465530
unironically a masterpiece, I love it so much

any Guénonian manga?

>>14498949
Yeah the genre is called Yaoi.

>>14481666
Literally the most based choice in the entire thread other then Kurosawa

>>14498977
>most based choice
based on what though?

>>14498425
They're works that match sensibilities on a literary level i would guess. I think it's a pretty patrician list. A top anime list would typically have lots of overblown shit like SNK, geass and steins;gate because they're iconic and weeb/otaku famous.
And Madoka is mega overrated.

>>14480788
based and dostopilled

>>14481837
That chart lacks Mawaru Penguindrum

I recommend Tsukihime, Deadman Wonderland, Melty Blood, and Higurashi: When They Cry.

>>14499408
>it's an anon hides great timeless works of art amongst garbage to pleb-filter the masses episode
dare I say based?

>>14499408
lol

>>14486754
I'm afraid your shit taste is terminal.

Technically it’s adapted from a novel, by the original author, so it might be cheating. But this is legitimately one of my favorite pieces of short science fiction, and to my knowledge the manga is the only format that’s available in English.