/lit/ - Literature

>>14472284
Is this even a question? Yes? Make a post here if you find a solution, because I'd be interested. Likely meat becomes outdated soon, so that will be a form of salvation for humanity.

>>14472284

>>14472284
technology is not equal to capital. Capital is a social relationship where a owner of the means of production (which embody technology) buys labor time and then produces a commodity. As you see, the important factor is the relationship between two social classes: the ones who buy labor time and the ones who sell it. Technology, however, existed way long before the capitalist relation emerged.

>>14472284
>world debt near a quadrillion
Capital isn't real.

there is a way out, but it is not for man

>>14472284
This is so retarded. Technology makes us more human because we incorporate our humanity inside it. Embedded in the very idea of technique is a for you.

The type of people you idolize in a pretechnical framework had their own elaborate ritual and physicality which would seem alienating and cause you psychic sepsis. I'm talking wiping ass with hands, eating rotten food, cruel and sadistic torture of small animals, children committing murder and rape in roving criminal gangs, frenzies mobs of superstitious inbred illiterates burning with righteousness and sadomasochism, horrific loss of human life, death in childbirth and widowed child brides. The suppression of any deviation from this for centuries through total control of society by a class of mystic overlords invoking the emperor, their sacraments, a holy order, the pontifex maximus, the wisdom of the tribal ancestors and their animal spirits, the signs in the sky when invoked blocking out the life giving sun itself. Man barely out of this barbaric and animalistic phase of its history and you want to return, the sheer ignorance of the present and the past is galling. Tech is change always within the limits of man, it can and only will do what the best and worst of anyone could. You rightly fear the man who is a beast not the machine that reifies his humanity.

>primitivism and being capital's meat puppets

Why are these constantly put forth as the only options.

A catastrophic failure of imagination.

>>14472524
ASS

>>14472535
Because reactionaries are the mob hungry for blood and destruction. No amount of civilization can educate poor breeding. At best you can deflect then by reorienting their rage at each other in an orgy of violence that keeps the survivors in check for 2 or 3 breeding cycles. Asking why the biting dog bites.

>>14472399
Neither is god, but we get a lot of headaches for him.

The way out takes lots of organization of communities into being more self sustainable. Preppers on large and ever growing scale.
I think we can make an app or something to make Cockshott’s voucher system work, at first people would make duel incomes of dollars and vouchers, work to get off the energy grid, grow as much of their own food as they can, invest in a free taxi service, community broadband. Shut out the corporations wherever we can as the economy tanks. And everybody expects it to.

>>14472546
Yes, education corrects a poor mind. This “breeding” is the poor education of a thuggish youth

>>14472284
Participate in anti-capitalist projects.
There are many.

>>14472586
>education
Largely overrated, especially these days. Get your Bachelors if you need to, but you can become a millionaire without one.

>>14472284
stupid. capitalism and technology aren't necessary partners.

>>14474185
Wrong. Kaczynski and Ellul PROVED it. They proved it, not asserted their feelings. There is only one anti-system project and its the one rejecting the fundamentals of the system (which is inherently technological) It's so ovious that it's unappealing.

Autopsie d'une revolution - Ellul
Anti-tech revolution - TK

>>14474204
Not even what I’m talking about.

>>14474373
what is that pic from?

>>14474440
captain fantastic

>>14474532
thanks. now I can coom

>>14474440
This >>14474532
Great movie, bad title.

>>14472284
Capital is what is outside

>>14474373
I agree 100% with the father, do you disagree?

>>14474544
Mostly yeah.
Just read the wiki and it’s got some strange things to says. Described as “former anarchists” yet there they are living like anarchists. And that they retire to a farm, not their original home in the woods, which is what they did. And that the kids are waiting for a school bus which we don’t actually see, because there is none. ... is there an alternative ending for the bourgeois or something?

>>14472586
>at first people would make duel incomes of dollars and vouchers, work to get off the energy grid, grow as much of their own food as they can, invest in a free taxi service, community broadband.
fuck off with that I aint doing none of that shit

>>14472284
Death is liberation.

>>14474626
All neets can just fucking hang.

Seriously though. This is a recipe for doing less work

>>14472586
capital is real but it is a process not a thing

>>14472284

acquire wisdom, use it to dominate the minds of the moneymaking class, or renounce life itself and lose your fear of death. those are your only options here

>>14472284
By posting on /lit/

>>14474826
the latter is the only real option for anyone

>>14472284
Your conception is a fallacy, technology can only dominate technician souls: as I mean someone who understand life and death from a Mailander perspective cannot be dominate by pure force, his soul is not afraid from death

>>14475261
what do you mean?

>>14472524
>Embedded in the very idea of technique is a for you.
That's a big idea.

>>14472535
Because these are the Kantian limits. One cannot go beyond the pure economy of the forest or the sustained crisis of absolute 'technocapital'. It is, of course, no mistake that accelerationism - the most fanatical movement of economic determinism - arises after primitivism, and alongside its popularisation. The mind and body, the dualism of politics and economics. One already sees potential for captured territory as modernity is born, the theory of non-contradiction holed up in the entirety of Europe is only released as a wellspring in Konigsberg.

"I think therefore I am" becomes "Capital thinks, therefore I am." In between there is only "I am not, therefore Capital is." While everyone is distracted in France the bourgeoisie lops the head off the Leviathan. At his end the liberal can only think of returning to the state of nature, but the logistics of bypassing a headless Leviathan suggests even greater dangers than one retaining its sight. Schmitt no longer imagines a total law of reaction to the founding of the New World, but an entire series of events of the past 1948 years - we fight on a two-front war of eternal return and time's subordination to space as teleology. The law of modernity is determinant, yet its being exists beyond time.

There is no Christian break, only its slipping away into the inevitable. Aristotle's Arrow penetrates Zeno's Paradox and we enter an era of Fortune.

Schmitt relies upon the Kantian limitation to break through it, or see its latent dualism, rather than attempt to outwit transcendental guilism. Junger's method is similar, even imbuing his material with a mythic quality. The old rational mystics live on.

>>14475382
Some clarification may be needed here as the Kantian limitation is often misunderstood. It is not that the a priori is impossible, but that it is achieved by other means. Our artificial eyes release unimaginable power from the material - this is the essence of technology, in its becoming and law. There is no outside, we have abandoned the earth and are attempting to equalise the forces of escape. There is no advance after the war, only resettlement. And yet, technology is fundamentally an abutment, hence its tendency towards disappearance or mimesis.

A seemingly impossible paradox: our abandonment of the earth increases our force within it. Hobbes and Rousseau no longer appear as opponents, but merely hikers taking divergent paths before dark clouds. Witnessing this, the Christian decides that nature must be at civil war; he does not realise his own laws created such rebellion. Against the discussions of de Maistre and Simplicius nature proclaims man a fool, and develops its own contract theory. The a priori is reformed in the future, a non-being turned to becoming. (I want to clarify here that I am not speaking of Kant's philosophy directly, but as a general sense of modern perception, its orientation in relation to form. Buildings no longer have a sight guide, a sacred pole, but are rather oriented towards us or formed as an opposing limit - hence the focus on mobilisation and visibility, pure function rather than beauty or rites. Windows that repel or entrap must approach mirror qualities.)

One may only understand capital from the perspective of the decapitated head. To continue on with the body is to capitulate to the Kantian limitation, or simply attempt to refute it blindly. Marx's worker is an acephale, a cartesian automaton. He is destroyed attempting to defend the katechon of 1916. Bataille's worker is a great sacrifice amidst the funeral march; the eyes of the liquidated achieve a dictatorship. That which exists beyond these limitations is only a refusal of time, an attempt to extend the boundaries - but all effort only reduces territory until resettlement becomes a means of disarmament.

>>14475389
This is in contradiction with the theory of deterritorialisation: as cities multiply the surrounding lands begin to form as a single territory. Emptied of all quality, yet a single material threatens multiplicity. Factories outstrip one another until they appear as farmland - the absolute contradiction of capital in a dictatorship of the lumpenproletariat. Collectivisation only achieves its theological qualities in the West, necessary here but not for the Soviets. Bataille's Capital is that of a dualist depletion. Through the war of taylorists and stakhanovites one notices the glowing harpe of Cronus; reforging is the only law after the Myth of Metals is shattered.

But modern man does not willingly reduce himself to limitations. The figure of the worker and the bourgeois are one - the latter engaging in the great project of a taxonomy of all results. This is the law of economics rather than economy: determinant material in its abstraction. There is no difference between the nuclear power plant and its depleted materials, the endless necessity of waste storage. Similarly, Marx and his detractors are one: a terracotta army attempting to contain their lunacy before the realisation that every lumpenproletarian is also a king.

A number of events allow us to perceive the dominance of politics, law, and technology over the realm of capital. First, in the War Guilt Clause of the Treaty of Versaille where it becomes apparent that much greater forces of compound interest exist in the immaterial realm. Secondly, in Operation Paperclip: economy as a means of war, under complete control of the state, but the great warring parties enact a state of exception in order to secure the greatest engineers. Where technology surpasses law it is deployed as a means of justice. 9/11 as the Holy Spirit - the destruction of the body iniatiates a period of political catastrophism. The sacrifice of capital to the necessity of permanent war.

I've been thinking about this a bit since the war with Iran has seemingly been gaining steam. Obviously our military is far superior to Iran's from a technological point of view and is much more expensive. However, Iran's military is pretty much designed specifically to counter ours, with a variety and large number of low cost weapons (drones, unguided missiles, antiship mines) that experts speculate would be highly effecive counters to our navy.

Whether this is true or not is beside the point. It got me thinking, our pseudo-capitalist system is basically an optimizer. But what have we optimized? I'd argue what we've done is built the military that maximizes profits for the Lockheeds and Raytheons - military effectiveness is secondary to that goal. Iran's system can't generate an "optimal" military, but for self defense reasons it must be primarily concerned with effectiveness.

>>14475398
And finally, in the early or even pre-modern sense of the inescapable, which was much greater than that of anything produced by economic pessimism. This is most notable in "Olim Lacus Colueram" of the Carmina Burana, the absolute misery of the Land of Cockaigne. The sense of capital entrapment precedes itself by a millennium and has no economic connotations whatsoever, the pessimists merely hold onto their woe as they are the final piece of self-carving meat.

It is here that we realise that the defensive war of the Katechon concludes in 1948. Capital little more than a minor tactic of one of the great battles, as new origin myths and peace treaties begin to form. The street vendor lives in the ruins of collapsing towers, and only a modern Diogenes would ask him to step out of his light. Permanent crisis is itself a form of mobilisation, the elusive revealed.

https://youtu.be/nwqP_yoszCE

>>14474821
And we need to proceed out of it for something that sustains life and give greater peace and freedom

>>14475409
US military capabilities is design to counter other big armies such as China, Russia, North Korea,

iran is just a mere obstacle

>>14475557
>t. retarded burger

>>14475557
military power gets to the head of everyone and makes them think that the solution to everything just rests in applying more of it. the US is no different.

>>14475420
Appreciate the posts

>>14472407
You got this from Nick Land. Didn’t you?

>>14475451
Money is just stored energy. Your suggestion doesn't make sense.

>>14475759
Energy? It’s a valueless bit of nothing. A debt token designed to enslave us as it frees only the most greedy

>>14472397
>Capital is a social relationship where a owner of the means of production (which embody technology) buys labor time and then produces a commodity
who uses this definition? Not Marx or Nick Land, that's for sure

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>>14475781
capital isn't money and money isn't stored energy lmao come on you two

>>14475557
right but Iran's military is constructed to lock us in an unwinnable quagmire burning money and lives until either a) another global power catches up to us (China) or b) public opinion shifts enough that we bail, increasing their freedom over the region

they have a low cost but effective army that is capable of achieving this

>>14472284
why do you think capital and technological advancement are inseparable?

>>14475849
not him but Marx was pretty clear on this

>>14475966
Uhhh... I still don't get it. Probably just a brainlet since I can't even tell how that passage is relevant.

>>14475966
Well, of course Marx is going to say this.

Why would you want to get outside capital in the first place? It's not like mankind was much better before its development, people will strive to dominate others with or without capital being a thing, as they did before and may do again once it disappears, at least capitalism and monetarization gives someone who is shy and introverted like me the chance to acquire resources without having ot use my non-existent social skills to convince someone to share anything with me. I would starve naked and alone in a gift economy.

>>14472301
God you’re fucking worthless. Post something actually interesting if you’re gonna tripfag.

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