/lit/ - Literature

Whoop i ment allegory my mistake

In Plato's famous allegory from The Republic, reality is not directly perceived. We are tied down, in a cave, in front of a fire, unable to see ourselves or anyone else, only their shadows; and as we see the shadows dance and interact, we believe the shadows to be ourselves, and the walls of the cave to be the world.

What if we live in cave is not cave is computer like the Matrix. Or dream like inception

>>14467730
Why should we give a decentanswer to such a low tier quetion OP?

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>>14467779
Its dumb. Just a VERY PRIMITIVE MAN trying to think about stuff, but not having the tools to do so properly. Serious philosophy started with Kant.

Plato begins by having Socrates ask Glaucon to imagine a cave where people have been imprisoned from childhood (important to note that they were (based on text) imprisoned from childhood but not from birth). These prisoners are chained so that their legs and necks are fixed, forcing them to gaze at the wall in front of them and not look around at the cave, each other, or themselves (514a–b).[3] Behind the prisoners is a fire, and between the fire and the prisoners is a raised walkway with a low wall, behind which people walk carrying objects or puppets "of men and other living things" (514b).[3] The people walk behind the wall so their bodies do not cast shadows for the prisoners to see, but the objects they carry do ("just as puppet showmen have screens in front of them at which they work their puppets" (514a)[3]). The prisoners cannot see any of what is happening behind them, they are only able to see the shadows cast upon the cave wall in front of them. The sounds of the people talking echo off the walls, and the prisoners believe these sounds come from the shadows (514c).[3]

Socrates suggests that the shadows are reality for the prisoners because they have never seen anything else; they do not realize that what they see are shadows of objects in front of a fire, much less that these objects are inspired by real things outside the cave which they do not see (514b–515a).[3]

The fire, or human made light, and the puppets, used to make shadows, are done by the artists. This can be compared to how illusions are made with light and sound today, with electronics, videos, movies, and 3D visuals. Plato, however, indicates that the fire is also the political doctrine that is taught in a nation state. The artists use light and shadows to teach the dominant doctrines of a time and place.

Also, few humans will ever escape the cave. This is not some easy task, and only a true philosopher, with decades of preparation, would be able to leave the cave, up the steep incline. Most humans will live at the bottom of the cave, and a small few will be the major artists that project the shadows with the use of human-made light.

>>14467730

the cave is comfy af

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>>14467777
All fucking namefags must fucking hang.
>>14467787
All fucking tripfags must fucking hang.

>>14467730
ALLEGORY OF THE BASEMENT (or, Anon's Progress)
---εἰκασία---
The shadows in the cave - /tv/ and /b/
---πίστις---
The objects causing the shadows - /pol/
---διάνοια---
The fire causing the shadows - /sci/ and /his/
The reflections of natural objects - /lit/
Natural objects - literature
---νόησις---
The sun - The Bible

Are humans born in the cave with some few evolving out? Or does going into the cave represent the illusion of free will, buying into the fall?

>>14468040
Does that make the bible the next level of shadow on the wall?

>>14467787
How do you have the balls to be this fucking stupid and post with a tripcode? You're genuinely intellectually bankrupt, have you read Socrates or any of his disciples? Why are all of your posts retarded? End your shit life faggot.

>>14468151
>have you read Socrates
Anon...

>>14468151
lmao

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>>14468155
>reading the entire work of Socrates
Carlos Menem as fuck