/lit/ - Literature

First for I disliked Mistborn but willing to give Stormlight Archive a chance.

Anything where the bad guys win? Every time I read a new book I already know how it fucking ends.

>>14430544
there's no way to ask this w/o getting spoiled. First Law by Abercrombie, Blindsight by Watts

I want to write some absolute trash, self indulgent, retardedly long fantasy story. Something like a Xiaxian Cultivator Novel. I'm not going to publish or "sell" it in any way, but I would like to upload it online. What would be the best website to do so where at least one person might actually read part of it or I won't get banned for putting sex or something mildly offensive in modern politics?

>>14430511
I've read maybe 5 books in my life. I want to read a sci-fi book.

If I had to read 1 sci-fi book, what would you recommend me?

>>14430564
>Xiaxian Cultivator
I have seen these words before but no idea what type of books they are. Wtf is xianxian and cultivator. Sounds like chinese farming books.

>>14430568
Scientology.

>>14430569
It's essentially a tropey Eastern fantasy novel where the main character has to train and "level up" through in universe mechanics like chi or magical medicine to become more powerful. Growing from basic people to powerful warriors to immortals or even Gods. They're defined by being really long and are poorly translated.

>>14430580
>really long dragon ball z episodes
Why do people read this

>>14430568
it really depends on your tastes. try dune/hyperion if you want lots of worldbuilding, or ubik for something more grounded.

>>14430663
That's kind of a redundant chart since it mostly matched a Top N list you can find anywhere. A better idea would be the best (new) book /sffg/ read this year.

>>14430673
>best (new) book /sffg/
I don't think people read enough new shit here. I only remember Will Wight and Ted Chiang discussions from this year. Occasionally someone talks about new released from Sanderfag, Miles Cameron, and Abernormie as well, but that's about it iirc.
Anyway, as much as hate certain elements of the list, it has BOTNS as N1, Vance, Strugatsky brothers, Gibson, Gormenghast, etc. so it really is not that bad.
>>14430568
I remember Childhood's End and Tau Zero being my favorites as a kid, so assuming a similar reading comprehension you may like them.

I made an *objectivelly* better list, we can all agree on that, can't we?

>>14430876
Better or not it's not /sffg/'s list

Also as much as I like Childhood's End it doesn't belong in a top 20

>>14430903
>not /sffg/'s list
Hence "fuck democracy", implying it is my own list. The point is that people with a similar taste to my own may benefit from this.
>Childhood's End it doesn't belong in a top 20
I thought the big 3 (Asimov, Heinlein, Clark) deserved to be on this list, and this was my favorite work of them.

>>14430911
i might be blind but i don't see any heinlein

>>14430520
Less tight magic, more anime characters. If you didn't like Mistborn, you probably won't like Stormlight either, especially since it has an even slower boil.
>>14430568
/sffg/ we should probably work on creating a flowchart.
>>14430673
You should see Reddit's list. The differences are striking, and important. BotNS, Hyperion, Strugatsky, and Lem are all good pleb filters. Other similar pleb filters I expected to see here and didn't are Vernor Vinge and probably Iain Banks.

Tell me about your novel's antagonist, /sffg/.

>>14430673
>best (new) book /sffg/ read this year.
how about best book published in 2010s? anyone who objected to the top 20 list now go make your own for this.

hot moms

>>14430935
I meant at least one work by them
>>14430971
desu I am not sure I have read 20 books published after 2010 that I would be comfortable putting in a best of chart. Top 10 perhaps.

>tfw probably read 5 or 6 books at most that were published in the 2010s
how the fuck do you faggots do it? were all of you born in the 60s or 70s? do you all work as security guards or some other job that allows you to read for many hours per day? how the hell do you even have enough time to keep up with new books? in 10 more years of backlog clearing, when i'm forty, i MIGHT be able to consider reading recent books

>>14431009
>how the hell do you even have enough time to keep up with new books?

There's like one book worth reading released every 2-4 months and it takes me like 6 hours to get through a typical 550-ish page book.

>>14431015
oh, so i guess you people are just better at reading than me. a 550 page book would take me about a month, at a rate of 30 minutes per weekday, so that's about 10 hours.

if i was really into the book it would take me a couple of weeks, but that's only because i spend an hour per weekday reading it.

>>14430568
if you like military science fiction try "Starship Troopers" by Heinlein, or "Armor" by John Steakley. "Basilisk Station" by David Weber is also pretty good.

If you want to read a funny scifi book try "The Flying Sorcerers" by David Gerrold and Larry Niven.

>>14431028
I don't get how people can read like that. I find something I legitimately like and I'll plow through it in one sitting. Reading one chapter a day seems like torture to me.

Are there any websites where people post fantasy stories they've written? Preferably ones with archives, comments, etc.

>>14431038
find out where the chinese webnovels are posted and publish there

>>14431032
i get you completely. that's how i read (or watched tv shows, or played games) when i was in school and in college
but now i just don't have the energy or ability to put everything on hold (not even deprive myself of sleep) to read through a book i get invested in. but even when i did, i was never reading at your pace.

>>14431015
>550 pages in 360 minutes
You are just skimming through, not really paying attention to what you're reading.

>>14417380
>finished Dr. Futurity
>bit disappointed
>started Solar Lottery
>action right off the bat
>typical assertive male MC
PKD would catch a lot of flak nowadays for his men and his FULL-BREASTED women.

>tfw One Piece is in the best shape it's been in years

>>14430569
xianxia is a popular 'genre' in China involving endless ascension and becoming the strongest thing there is, e.g., MC could be 1-in-a-trillion being the strongest being on his planet then get into space and realize guys like him are everywhere, etc. Usually involves MC exploring, fighting, developing techniques, discovering/using treasures, etc., etc.

Just saw that this was the OP pic for the last thread. I got that book more than 30 years ago when I was still a teen. I still remember how that cover gave me the creeps so bad I never really read it. I still hate that fucking cover.

>>14431038
Royalroad, arhiveofourown
>>14431015
Filthy skimmer. There have been literal neuroscience studies done that show that humans are incapable of reading over 500 WPM without the loss of comprehension.

>>14431088
>There have been literal neuroscience studies done that show that humans are incapable of reading over 500 WPM without the loss of comprehension.
I read that at 600WPM

>>14431100
what did it say lad?

>>14431100
Now read this in 600 WPM, then again, very slowly, and compare the images evoked in your head

A GREAT CITY is nothing more than a portrait of itself, and yet when all is said and done, its arsenals of scenes
and images are part of a deeply moving plan. As a book in which to read this plan. New York is unsurpassed. For
the whole world has poured its heart into the city by the Palisades, and made it far better than it ever had any
right to be.
But the city is now obscured, as it often is, by the whitened mass in which it rests—rushing by us at unfathomable
speed, crackling like wind in the mist, cold to the touch, glistening and unfolding, tumbling over itself like the
steam of an engine or cotton spilling from a bale. Though the blinding white web of ceaseless sounds flows past
mercilessly, the curtain is breaking . . . it reveals amid the clouds a lake of air as smooth and clear as a mirror,
the deep round eye of a white hurricane.
At the bottom of this lake lies the city. From our great height it seems small and distant, but the activity within it
is apparent, for even when the city appears to be no bigger than a beetle, it is alive. We are falling now, and our
swift unobserved descent will bring us to life that is blooming in the quiet of another time. As we float down in
utter silence, into a frame again unfreezing, we are confronted by a tableau of winter colors. These are very
strong, and they call us in.

>>14431046
https://www.wuxiaworld.com/

I've already checked.

What are some good books involving insects? I've been fascinated with em for a while and I want to read something that gives me the chills about em.

>>14430568
Tefler's Three Square Meals.

I just bought this, and Three Body Problem. What am I in for, /litsci/?

I started reading The Penultimate Truth and hated every second of it. Should I give up on Phillip K Dick? Never read anything of his.

>>14429507
>I remember the Riria books being decent enough, how bad is the new stuff?
It's bad. The first book was really, really bad. He tries to tell the story of the beginning of a magical civilization, I guess, but he gets too attached to characters to do it. You can't really tell a story about that within the time-frame of a character. There's absolutely no consistency in the story. So, elves live for thousands of years (like 4 thousand or something like that), and they have had multiple generations of elves and a very advanced civilization for, presumably, a very, very long time (since they live so long). Their territory is directly adjacent to a tribe of humans, for, presumably, also a very long time. Yet elves are really advanced, but the neighboring humans are tribal and can't even get into metals? For thousands of years? Thousands of years! All it takes is a single human life-time for one of the filthy little niggers to slip into elf territory (they have human slaves) and find out all the secrets they need.

I haven't read the second book, but /sffg/ told me it's worse. Apparently, a single girl invents everything every other day.

>>14431129
>good
Eh...
>insects
Well... Ackchually, arachnids, but insects are also present. Children of Time is a science fiction that is good for about 80% of the book, but then the author screws up at the ending. I recommend it, though, the 80% of the start is fun enough.

>>14431032
I usually read 1-2 hours a night in bed after my shower as I wait for my body temperature to equalize with the room. I also read on lunch breaks and lavatory breaks.

>>14431084
I mean, the book is creepy too. Good creepy, but still.

Is there a torrent or anything that has all The Shadow novels written by Walter Gibson?

>>14431122
Different anon, but I read about that fast. It's like watching a movie I guess. I'm not intentionally reading at a particular speed, but if the imagery flows right then it's hard to stop. Your example wasn't too bad. Occasionally I'll hit something like Little, Big that's torture to read because I feel like I'm slogging through an infinite morass of allusions that don't quite click so I have to reread each paragraph like 3 times. Sometimes I come back a year later and the book is suddenly smooth and pleasurable.

>>14430663
>>14430876
>1641x770
Why do you retards make these images do small

>>14431780
Nevermind. I found all of them on soulseek. Thanks for nothing, you malignant faggots.

>>14430663
>no Bakker in top 20
What the fuck bros?

>>14430028
>Does anyone seriously have the ability to basically hallucinate images at will?
Yea. When I read books I picture things as the happen. It's why when you watch a movie based on a book people get uppity. The director's vision doesn't match the vision you had in your head.
Like how Disney fucked up the Artemis Fowl movie.

>>14431816
I suspect you approached Little, Big incorrectly. "Not quite clicking" is an essential part of the book. I suppose I can understand the "imagery flows right then it's hard to stop", but at the pace of 10 words a second the figurative "resolution" of those images inevitably decreases. When I read Gormenghast, I would sometimes read out certain sequences aloud, partially so that the scene can fully form inside my head. I recommend checking out just how powerful the Swelter intro is when read in voice: slowly, and purposefully.
On the other hand, I can see how reading an epic fantasy adventure in high WPM makes sense, because my own speed is substantially higher when reading something lightweight.

>>14431822
Because even compressing pic related it is 1MB. 1641x770 isn't even small for 20 books, the titles can be seen clearly

>>14431929
Uh, nevermind, its 279 KB. Still, I see no reason to make it bigger.

>>14430568
The Stars My Destination

>>14430959
She's an evil witch mom who likes to fuck boys

>>14431998
hot

>>14430959
The jews.

>>14432054
based uncle a
please come back

>>14431998
this lame shit is 4chan's equivalent of lol so randum and le quirky. nobody thinks it's funny

>>14431929
>the sorcerer's house numero uno

I mean I like it a lot, but I don't think it's even top 5 Gene

>2 Strugatskis
Fucking based

>>14432078
hot moms aren't meant to be funny, they are meant to be hot. are you stupid?

>>14432069
I actually read a sci-fi novel recently that used alien stand-ins as jews and it was not trying to be subtle at all which made it great.

>>14432108
What's it called?

>>14432245

My diary desu

Is it worth?

>>14432404

No only the games are good

>>14431230
Pushing Ice was fun although it took a while for anything to start happening.

>>14432081
>even top 5 Gene
After I started obsessing over it on a meta level, I realized that this is just a very big brain book and everyone fails to see that there are, in fact, way more layers to the story then any other Wolfe book.
>>14432404
The books (only read the first 2) were very mediocre, but the story itself possesses an almost mythological quality and I don't think it is a coincidence that there have been so many successful adaptations.
I found the games to be mediocre and extremely overrated. But then again, I hate almost every AAA game with passion.
I enjoyed the TV series the most, even despite its numerous shortcomings. The strongest part of Witcher has always been the character/family drama aspect of it, and the TV series were the best at showcasing it. The Geralt/Ciri/Yen/Jaskier were casted by very fitting actors and it worked out great.

>>14432404
>>14432529
Forgot to post this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnSXz88R4_c
The most kino song in maintream entertainment

>>14431929
>I recommend checking out just how powerful the Swelter intro is when read in voice: slowly, and purposefully.
Funny you should mention that. I believe I did read that section aloud to my family because it was so great.
I suppose when most of what I read is pulp trash the high speed lets me unconsciously strip the writing down into the, ah, likely intention of the writer instead of what they actually achieved.

Hi im science

Hey lads, been away from reading much scifi/fantasy lately, used to get into it a lot in my teens and while studying, but haven't read as much lately. My Kindle has been almost just quick read bits of fun for a while (Matt Reilly, the Witcher series most recently) but on whim bought the paperbacks for the Black Company series and holy shit it's good stuff.

Pretty much picked it up because looking back at most of my scifi/fantasy reading so much was schlocky or tie-in, the only things I remember fondly and have to go off are LoTR, His Dark Materials, Dune, then the first Black Company trilogy (just caught up) and Book of the new Sun, all of which I really enjoyed and barely anything else do I remember.

Where shall I go from here? I really enjoyed the perspectives and style of Black Company and especially New Sun on reread, but I could never get into Malazan/Wheel of Time/Dark Tower back in the day when I was looking for new epic, so maybe not so long would be better. Recommendations? First Law looks promising.

Halfway through Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy but I decided to give up because I keep cringing. Is it worth it to push on?

>>14432624
>First Law looks promising.

The books are fun and definitely not the worst thing out there, especially if you didn't enjoy Wheel of Time and similar epic fantasy stories. His stand-alone books are also great.

>>14432658
>Halfway through Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy but I decided to give up because I keep cringing. Is it worth it to push on?

I also thought it was cringey and overrated.

>>14432404
this book lives or dies based on its translation quality.
if you're a slav, yes. something about the slavic language family allows for a better and more complete translation
if you're an english speaker, hell no. i've read some excerpts of the english language translation and it's complete cringe
the main story and plot points are decent, with a few lame sequences (ciri tagging along with that bandit gang). the books are enjoyable because of more intangible qualities, like reading comfy dialogues of characters shooting the shit around a campfire, the different characters geralt meets along the way and the situations he gets in along his journey. in that sense, the people who tell you that the first two books are best are right, because they're entirely made up of the elements that the series does best. but my favorite and most touching moments come from the other five books, because by that time sapkowski had found his "voice".

>>14432705

Thanks for your response. I've heard the translation thing before. I read English, Danish, German and Norwegian - not Polish, unfortunately.

I have the option of buying 3 R.A Salvatore trilogies quite cheaply (the dark elf, the legacy of the drow and paths of Darkness). I'm quite new to fantasy and I'm wondering if I should go for it or use that money for other (albeit, fewer) books.

>>14432735
sure, i always like shilling those books because the general consensus on this site is that they're shit.

i guess there's a chance the translation might be better in german, but i really don't know. if you're fluent enough in it, give it a try. i think the main problem is that the language and idioms used in the books which sound semi-natural in slavic, if directly translated into english come off sounding pretentious and unnatural. that issue might not exist in german

>>14432809
I've only read the first Drizzt trilogy, but it's quite good. If it's cheap, I don't see why not if only for those three books. I didn't read the rest because I was browsing the wiki and ended up reading some spoilers that didn't really make me want to continue.

>”Scram!”

And that’s when you knew there was going to be bloodshed

>>14430663
Not a legitimate or representative chart.

>>14433092
Your mother did not know your father.

>>14431929
Is The Library at Mount Char really that good? Usually I avoid modern fantasy books but since you like Gormenghast, Little, Big and The King of Elfland's Daughter i trust your opinion.

>>14433118
Nah, it's shite. It's basically girl with daddy issues is the chosen one. Really, it's terrible.
>daddy you were so evil but now i forgive you because reasons

>>14431129
>What are some good books involving insects?
Read the "Spider World" series by Colin Wilson. It's pretty entertaining, even for adults. Some nice and creative worldbuilding.

>>14433116
That's true. It's also why she quickly divorced him.

What is the last published fantasy book that deserves to be called a classic? I think its Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell and thats depressing since its from 2004.

>>14430663
absolutely disgusting sffg is dead

>>14430948
>/sffg/ we should probably work on creating a flowchart
>we
Do it yourself.

>>14431009
1. Have no social life
2. Use audiobooks. You can cook, wash, bathe, clean the yard, play with the dog, and still be able to "read". It's takes mental skills though, so if you're a brainlet don't bother, you will constantly zone out and lose your place, or not be able to digest what you "read".

>>14431015
Don't worry with speed reading kun, he is the type of guy to fight you when you discuss a book later because he skipped over the part you're discussing.

>>14432624
Maybe try the Shadowmarch series by Tad Williams. Four massive LOTR sized volumes and you have to pay real attention to all the gods and half gods and their names in the various languages and the different stories the various people in the books tell about them (seriously start a spreadsheet), but there is some absolutely first class world building in the books, and the ending left nothing to be desired in regards to epicness for once.

>>14432658
I only read Thanks for all the Fish but I can imagine the style of humor in those books gets really old really quick

>>14430996
what about hot dads?

>>14431414
Nobody stole anything because the knife ears wanted the humans just as they are. If they get wind of development they wipe that set of humans out. The lack or artificial stifling of progress isn't the problem with the novel. It's how the author straight out pandered sjw shit. I used to shill Sullivan's earlier works, but not the age of series.

>>14431129
Don't read the series where the ant gets cucked.

>>14431929
>Because even compressing pic related it is 1MB. 1641x770 isn't even small for 20 books, the titles can be seen clearly
You can clearly see my pics, yours is hd for ants.

>>14433258
>4 missing books to complete the bottom row
My autism is severely offended. Just pick any 4 books I dont care just fix that last row please

>>14433317
Suffer.

>>14430959
Isolation, blindness, and insanity.
Abandoned in the catacombs below paris as punishment for (being accused of) stealing from a rich jewish family, our heroine has nothing left to do but wander, become hungry and scared, and masturbate with the bones that line the walls.

>>14433317
Look at this.

>>14433345
>>14433473
pls stop

>>14433529
It's okay anon, I'm here for you :3

>>14433558
>the right to arm bears
kek

the fact that robert plant of all people did a song about lord of the rings proves that nerd culture is a bunch of horseshit. if you're a loser, you're a loser. no need to romanticize it

>>14433679
>robert plant

Who the hell is that?

>>14432404
Basically what >>14432705 said. I read the books in Spanish and the translation is great, so I absolutely enjoyed them. The Last Wish and Sword of Destiny are two of my favorite fantasy books, but the other five were kind of a let down. Do NOT listen to this retard >>14432529, the TV show is utter shit.

>>14433400
fuck off /pol/

>>14433815
>>14432705

Can you recommend a good English translation?

>>14433833
Sorry mate, I don't know about English translations, but if you're >>14432735 then you should probably go with the German one.

So was Elrond's wife gang raped by orcs?

And aren't elves supposed to immediately die when raped?

Why did she stick around for a while?

>>14434027
>And aren't elves supposed to immediately die when raped?
Knife ears are extreme perverts. They put themselves in situations that would lead to them being raped. They only pretend to be upstanding, regal creatures, but inside they just constantly think how they can pass the time and cum as much as possible. Living for centuries does make normal activities boring.

just started malazan book one and this shit is super good so far. it isnt that confusing, i was expecting a lot more characters
is steven erikson friends with glen cook? cause im getting some real black company vibes from it so far

>>14434381
I think he said somewhere that Black Company inspired him to write it.

Where online can I find Asimov's Science Fiction, November/December 2017 ?

Please spoonfeed me some recs. Read and somewhat like malazan, really liked black company, read the sandershit and didn't hate it. Also ambercrombie where I enjoyed the BE REALISTIC-guy stuff. recently read gentleman bastard, book 1 was nice the other 2 were shit. Was planning on reading the third book of licanius but checking back on it a bit i realized how little I actually enjoyed those.

now what do i read pls

>>14434471
Elric of Melnibone

>>14434448
Just buy it anon. This site has everything pre 1990 though. Check it out.
http://www.luminist.org/archives/SF/ASI.htm

>>14434475
Read it ages ago. Is any of the Mark Lawrence stuff worth reading? Heard mix opinions especially about the earlier books, more positive about the later ones, but that usually doesn't mean that much seeing somehow A Little Hatred is a book people enjoyed.

>>14434471
For you my friend.

>>14434471
hobb

>>14434471
>>14434497
Look at >>14433258

>>14434525
Yea thanks for reminder

>>14434530
Half of this always seemed shit to me also sci-fi. I did actually read the waldo rabbit stuff.

>>14434512
Does this book take itself seriously? It sounds pretty bland, but as long as it's somewhat wholesome I don't mind. I enjoyed Belgariad because of that shit as well.

>>14430948
>flowchart
Like the already existing one?

>>14434548
>Does this book take itself seriously?
Not too seriously no. It's just an adventure through strange lands, barely escaping each danger with gimmicks even the other characters don't believe reasonable.

>>14433824
?

>>14430959
christ, what's there to say. Ive been writing for a year and don't have a backstory or personality for him. all i know is his appearance and powers and a vague sense that he's in some way supposed to represent the darkest conclusion of my mc's conflict

what I do is he's a charismatic leader who oozes power and feeds on the insecurities of his followers to gain their loyalty before leeching away their meager power and free will. what I do know is that his strength is a sham. half of it stolen from his followers and half of it from a stolen body. his true form is pitiful, but deluded.

I also know he has to have some tie to the hero's mentor, a former follower. among the strongest of the weakest race, he was defeated and humbled by the dregs of another. shamed, dishonored, and made small by his defeat he ran away from his people, eventually finding himself the whipping boy among the soldiers of the strongest race

>>14430959
Former hero so broken by his own failure that the only way he could cope was to blame everyone else.

>>14430552
>Blindsight by Watts
I thought it was more of a stalemate. Or maybe further effects are revealed in Echophraxia (which I haven't read yet)?

>>14432415
>the games are good

not really

>>14434753
>so broken by his own failure that the only way he could cope was to blame everyone else
So a book about a normal 4chan user?

>>14430996
I remember finishing this game at 3 AM and then realizing that it was not fucking worth it.

>>14434471
book of the new sun

>Wrote a chapter and a half today
>Cant stop thinking about it at work
Damn. I must still be in the honeymoon phase.

/sffg/, I'm struggling to find a way to fit in my main villain's first appearance. Because he's a tyrant I have a hard time to justify him appearing in person, and if he did I'd have a harder time justifying how the MC made it out alive. I might do an interlude to show his first appearance, but then I'm worried I'd have to hold back the interludes for the other main characters

>>14435003
Why not show him as a statue or in a piece of artwork, and have his words or decrees describe him? Not the same as in person, but a Tyrant can have an aura of malovelence before you even see them in person.

>>14434763
did you read the novel? the team sent to rorsarch gets BTFO, siri keaton is adrift in an escape pod listening to the earth dying, overrun by vampires. which part of this makes you think 'stalemate'?
echopraxia is a sidequel, takes place during blindsight events.

>>14435015
Oh yeah I forgot the escape pod part. I just remember the ship vs. ship chess analogy and how the captain was implied to just be controlled by the ship AI the entire time.

>>14434998
just wait till you get to the "50 pages in and i have no idea where this is going cause my outline is shit" phase. thats the best phase

>>14434027
>So was Elrond's wife gang raped by orcs?
Possibly.

>And aren't elves supposed to immediately die when raped?
There's no support for this, it happens at least once in the Silmarillion also I think -- I don't remember exactly which story -- and she doesn't just instantly die either.

Death or suicide wouldn't be an escape anyway given that they are reincarnated in the Halls of Mandos either way.

>>14435003
Don't try to introduce him personally too early unless you think you can write a chapter from his POV.

I mean, you never actually even meet Sauron in LOTR. There's no need for him to be physically present. You've got coins, statues, banners, symbols, stories -- propaganda and otherwise.

>>14432658
Hitchhiker's Guide is cringe af but more importantly only has one note. It doesn't ever change.

>>14432624
Continue the Solar Cycle
Gormenghast
Viriconium maybe

One cannot build walls against what has been forgotten

>>14434381
>>14434392
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/174474-with-the-black-company-series-glen-cook-single-handedly-changed-the
>With the Black Company series Glen Cook single handedly changed the face of fantasy—something a lot of people didn’t notice and maybe still don’t. He brought the story down to a human level, dispensing with the cliché archetypes of princes, kings, and evil sorcerers. Reading his stuff was like reading Vietnam War fiction on peyote.

glen cook has also said good things about malazan

>>14434471
Read Bakker

>>14435056
makes sense, but I still need at least some way to depict his influence.

the villain in question is of the "hive queen" variety. He has a swarm of small but intelligent insects at his beck and call whose eyes he can see through and whose mouthes he can speak through, and in addition has giant insect shock troops as well as wights that are either all human, or include members of the other races as well.

I need to show some of them I realize, it's really a matter of how

>>14435026
i'm sure the people dying on earth care who's in control of the ship

How many books make up the Enders Game story, and how many other books are related to the world of Enders Game? I want to read it but not if its like 20 books and 20 other side books set in the same world.

>>14435003
Read trymoon saga

>>14430564
I too would like to know this, for almost the exact same reason.

>>14433317
Not only that, but that chart contains 32 entries, which could have been easily split into 4 groups of 8.

>>14435003
>>14435113
You don't have to have him personally appear. Save his appearance for when it really matters, like some crucial show-down scene or something. That shit is magnificent when done right.
In the meantime, let him be known by his works and what he leaves behind. Like >>14435056 pointed out with Sauron.
You can always have him be there without physically being "there". That really helps to ramp up the ominousness. The shadow can sometimes be more terrifying than the person.

Is the reader's companion to LotR any good?

>>14435569
also if anyone could remind me which year it was before which the LotR editions still have errors, thanks

/sffg/, the winter depression is really getting to me. I had a mental breakdown last night, missed my writing three times this week and when I tried again tonight it was one of my worst writing days in months.

any ideas what I can do to cheer myself up?

>constant random POV changes to irrelevant characters

The fuck

NEXT THREAD IS DISCUSSION THREAD

Just finished "The Knight" and started on "The Wizard." Good lord that was great, and I can't wait to polish it off.

>>14435654
>muh winter depression
Stop being a whiny bitch and go find a writing thread to post in.

>>14435235
Just read Enders Game and Speaker For The Dead and stop there.

gimme wizard detectives. ive read the first 5 books of the dresden files but ive dropped it. didnt enjoy it at all.

>>14433118
It is essentially a neat, symbolic story set in a magnificently interesting world written in contemporary American fantasy prose, with all the problems that entails.The simplistic prose, and the somewhat immature imagery the books starts with lull you into believing it is a book that should be read in the same way as the YA shit we are getting, but the true value of the book is the incredibly well-crafted plot, which comes together in a perfect way, merging the outside layer with the symbolic layer.
If you are looking for something like Dunsany, or Crowley, you may disappointed. Then again, depending on how diverse your taste is, you may like it.
I suspect you would like Can Xue though.

>>14433558
This is the first time I am seeing that chart and it makes me feel like a newfag.

>>14433815
>>14432404
>The Last Wish and Sword of Destiny are two of my favorite fantasy books
Anyone who says this is really REALLY not worth listening to. These are the kinds of people who are responsible for the top chart having ASOIAF, WOT, and Sanderson.

This book any good?

>>14435879
Oh sweet, didn't realize Erin MOrgenstern put out a new book. I fucking loved The Night Circus.

>>14435600
please respond
can't find anything on google and the archive search isn't working

What was the first true fantasy world? I see George MacDonald's 1858 'Phantastes' cited as the first fantasy novel, but Emily and Anne Brontë's Gondal cycle is definitely older (1836-1848) although the stuff was published posthumously.

Is there anything earlier?

>>14435872
>This is the first time I am seeing that chart and it makes me feel like a newfag.
They're all in the OP

>>14435949
>check the mega for the first time since OP was changed
>the arguably best chart in it is in the Memes&Trolls folder because the faggot that manages it is illiterate and unable to read the title which clearly implies that the chart is one anon's personal opinion

>>14435980
jesus christ bro, sorry he put your epic chart in a folder you don't like. goddamn. it's not that big of a deal, it's only 4chan

>>14435980
You're welcome.

>>14431230
Pushing Ice is amazing. I got it from a charity shop this year. There was a bit half way through where I almost put it down to start something else but then the plot went through the roof and did some stuff I fully didn’t see coming. Would recommend.

>>14434471
Google a book called snakewood - a bit more challenging than joe Abercrombie but I enjoyed it.

Where do I start with Brandon Sanderson?

>>14436190
on reddit

>>14434692
I hope for your sake the “strongest race” is black or you’ll struggle to find an agent in today’s climate.

>>14436127
>someone complains about literally anything
>quit complaining lmao, its just 4chan, it doesn't matter anyway
Nigger, venting is like the most interesting thing to do in this general. I feel euphoria every time I tell someone to visit reddit and it feels great to make fun of Lynch/Lawrence/Conan posters. A dumbfuck acts like a dumbfuck? I screech.
If you can't handle criticism, go to reddit.

>>14436190
By throwing his books in the thrash

>>14436163
>>14432470
Is it good before the halfway point? Do I have to be bored for 300 pages before it gets good?

>>14436204
>>14436258
Is he really that bad? I feel like I should at least try one of his books and make my own judgment.

>>14436283
No it’s good - just enjoy the pace and the build up and trust that it’s going somewhere worth going.

>>14436291
Out of curiosity, why ask for advice if you're going to disregard it anyway?

>>14436309
I asked where to start, not if I should start.

>>14436190
Mistborn #1, maybe Warbreaker. If you don't like them then you should stop, since his books use the same formulas.
>>14436291
He's not great but he's not bad either. He has a few good moments here and there. The man just wants to write some animu stories and I can respect that. He really sucks at coming up with witty dialogue and/or characters, though.

>>14436258
>A dumbfuck acts like a dumbfuck? I screech.
>If you can't handle criticism, go to reddit.
Cringed hard. Based autist.

>>14432624
R. Scott Bakker's Prince of Nothing.

>>14431129
there's those Adrian Tchaikovsky books where races are basically all humanoids with insects traits. i wouldn't say they're good, they're about Wheel of Time tier, so read them if you like that.

>>14434027
>So was Elrond's wife gang raped by orcs?
>And aren't elves supposed to immediately die when raped?
no
where are you getting either of these from?

>>14436190
Mistborn

>>14435113
he sounds like me

>>14436354
>>14436471
thanks bros, mistborn it is.

Are books with nonhuman MCs doomed to forever be irrelevant or consigned as "furshit"?

>>14436494
Depends on what species they are, and who the target audience is.

>>14431062
Read chapters ~2-5 last night, went to bed once I got to chapter 6 of Solar Lottery. I like it a lot more already. The pace has definitely picked up, as with most PKD novels. One of the ideas is relatively simple: the concept of a previous Quizmaster (most powerful human at the time) being able to legally send assassins after the current Quizmaster. Made my noggin' go a joggin'. Imagine living in a society like that.
I find it amusing how in this novel, the 'main' female character doesn't even wear a top for some reason. Bare-breasted in every scene.

>>14431273
It was a neat idea that turned into a neat story. You may not like good books, anon. Try some of his other works anyhow.

>>14433118
LaMC is probably the only urban fantasy story I'll ever like.

>>14435026
>how the captain was implied to just be controlled by the ship AI the entire time
'The Captain' was technically the ship; Sarasti was something different but yes, effectively controlled by the ship (The Captain) the entire time because humans don't like taking orders from machines directly

>>14436190
Pic related if you care for Cosmere stuff. Most people start with the first Mistborn trilogy but Warbreaker is a solid standalone too. It's recommended to read Mistborn before touching Stormlight.

>>14436163
What did you think of the size of the megastructure?

>>14436494
if you don't feel like spending money on mistborn, warbreaker is on sanderson's website for free

>>14436571
oops, meant for >>14436489
but to answer your question, what type of nonhuman is it going to be? a cat-like humanoid or an elf? if it's the first, then yeah, it's furry shit

>>14436258
lol

>>14436699
i think this really is the first time i've EVER seen a black elf because seeing those brown pointy ears makes me lose it every time lol

>>14436713
I genuinely thought he was suppossed to be an orc or something.

>>14436699
>filename
kek'd

I've been reading too much fantasy lately, what's a good and easy sci-fi palate cleanser?

>>14436494
Why do you care if they're irrelevant? If they're written by actual furries then they are probably furshit, yes.

>>14436996
lost fleet is really easy to digest and is definitely a page turner, although it's kind of schlocky. same for old man's war, which although is about as well written, seems to take itself more seriously, because the author is a huge cunt i guess. but a very fun series too, nonetheless
a nice post-apocalyptic novel with western elements i recently read was wolf in shadow, at an anon here's recommendation. very enjoyable and an easy read as well. it's not proper sci-fi but it has the benefit of being only three books of 200 pages so you'll get through it quickly if you just want a palate cleanser.

>>14436996
Wizard's First Rule.

>>14430511
>try a highly rated fantasy book
>100 word descriptions of every single blade of grass in the scene
Why are fantasy writers like this? I just want a interesting story nigga.

>>14437158
tolkien ruined fantasy

>>14437158
Take your ritalin, just because fantasy is genre fiction doesn't mean it needs to sink to women's lit level of break-neck wish fulfilment.

>>14437114
>lost fleet is really easy to digest
Not what I'd say about it.

The prose is painful. And I'm not even one of those >prose guys. The dialogue was abyssal and the characters were terrible. The plot could have been fine, except it was hidden behind pages and pages of pew-pew level battles.

>>14437158
Try Le Guin's earthsea. It's the exact opposite. I prefer a little bit more detail myself.

>>14437286
not gonna argue with the prose or dialogue, you're right about that, i guess it depends on how much tolerance you have for that sort of thing.
i will say the battles were not pew pew level at all, these were the best battles for this type of light read novel i've ever encountered. i'd like to hear where you've seen better space battles outside of hard sci-fi. there's the praxis i guess, but the battles there are pretty much as good, except the novels spend even more time on politics and character interactions which are about as bad as those in lost fleet.

>>14431015
>tfw stuck on tbk snce 7 months
I'll finish it one day.

>>14437338
All I remember about them was "accelerate vector 2 3 5", "manouver vector 5 3 0" or stuff like that. It really made it hard for me to paint the picture of what the hell was going on. I guess it was better, from a scientific point of view, than most sci-fi, but that's just because most sci-fi suck at science. I guess the relativistic effects were cool. The bigger problem that I had with it is that battles were just so goddamn long! I wouldn't have minded too much if the characters taking part in them were interesting, but it was a bunch of people I didn't care about throwing rocks at each other, and taking forever to do it. I was more interested in the aliens, but by book three I had enough of it and they hadn't showed up yet.

I've recently gone through the Three Body Problem trilogy and my mind is blown. It's unlike anything I've read before in terms of expanse of thought and science fiction creativity. The world is believable and plausible on a level I've never experienced before in this genre.

For those of you who've read the series and enjoyed it, what do I read next?

>>14437386
i didn't find them all that hard to follow but then again i never tried to picture them so vividly. i remember i had a general idea where and how the fleets were coming at each other and that was it.

i get what your issues with lost fleet were, because they're true. i guess it's up to that anon to decide if that's enough to deter them. personally i have the space fleet autism so the battles lasting long wasn't an issue for me. and i found the main two characters likeable enough, since they were an example of that trop where only the main characters are competent and they get to do clever things that outwit the bad guys which i find comfy and satisfying.

the aliens don't make a comeback until late in the series and then only as a cameo to setup the sequel series which deals with them. when they do comeback, they're not explored in depth nor are they very interesting, they're just treated as a another problem for the main characters to resolve.

>>14437462
Nothing really. Unfortunately Liu Cixin's other works does not really compare in my opinion. You can try reading Hyperion, Dune, The Forever War or The Expanse, all of them feature some traits I enjoyed in 3BP.

>>14437114
How about anything more small scale/low key?
Something that doesn't involve the fate of the whole galaxy by blasting some aliens.

>>14437462
Can you elaborate on this? I'm interested but I've put this novel off as a meme, I might be confusing it with some other Asian sci-fi

>>14437598
That's the problem with modern fiction. Everything is about the fate of the universe, or the human species, or the empire. It's really hard to find a character-driven story nowadays.

Try:
Ringworld, it's an exploration novel
Altered Carbon, a detective story
Mote in God's eyes, first contact

>>14437650
Oh Altered Carbon is a book? I heard the show was good, might as well read it first then.
Cheers.

>>14437598
well i'd say wolf in shadow is worth a read in that case, or do you not want a post-apocalyptic story?

>>14437673
I have a lot of post apoc under my belt, so I was looking for something else for a minute. I'll add it to my list though, sounds good.

are these worth reading

>>14437697
They’re depressing but good stories

>>14437615
I'd ask you to read reviews of the book as I don't think I could do the series justice here and how.

In just a few words, I'd describe the books as a mature, and scientifically ground first contact story. In particular, I was impressed with how it takes into account the ramifications of scientific progress on society hierarchically, and across time.

I've already read the books mentioned (>>14437523) by the other anon, and they are, and I say this with complete sincerity, utter child's play and elementary in thought when compared to the Three Body Problem.

>>14437716
ok Chang

I decided to get back into fantasy books, and to buy a Kindle since i don't like the mass-market paperbacks that they often get published as, but they're sold out currently, presumably due to Christmas. Shit sucks.

>>14432809
Of those, Dark Elf Trilogy is the only one that's actually good. Especially since you're missing the Icewind Dale trilogy which sets up everything that happens in Legacy of Drow and Paths of Darkness.

That said I've read the entire 31 book series and while there's a good amount of lows, it's some of the most comfy 'dnd campaign in literature form' books I've ever read. Salvatore writes great characters, but his pulply style of writing combat is really really hit or miss. I personally loved it because you can fully picture each fight as he describes practically every move that happens, in glorious detail.

>>14437800
Is it worth reading these if you don't play DnD and aren't familiar with the setting?

>>14437807
For the most part. It helps to have a basic understanding of the dungeons and dragons classes (cleric, wizard, warrior, ranger, etc) since practically every character in every one of the books can fall directly into one of those classes as their archetype, but most of it is explained well enough within it's own books or is continued on from previous books in the long-running series.

If you're planning on getting into it, start with Dark Elf Trilogy. It acts as a prequel to the Drizzt story, but gives you a ton of information on how the Dark Elf society works, and is one of the best written trilogies in the entire 31 book series. From there just go in publish order. I don't really suggest skipping any of the books or subseries, because the final trilogy basically wraps back around and ties up EVERYTHING that's gone on in the previous 28 books, it's really quite amazing.

>>14430511

Can I read Tales of Earthsea without reading any of the other books?

>>14437831
All right, thanks. I played a bit of DnD years and years ago so I remember some basic stuff. But I don't know anything about Forgotten Realms, etc. I'll add them to my "to read" list I suppose.

>>14437763
Here is an example of racism stunting the intellectual development of our nation's virgin youth. Sad, but I'm praying for you.

>>14437716
>>14437975
did you read it in ze english? if not, do you know if the translation is good?

>>14438026
Yes, I read the English. The author claims that the translation exceeds the original, partly due to the ordering of the story being more in line with what he originally desired--apparently he had to shuffle things to satisfy the Chinese publisher.

>>14437835
You should read Wizard of Earthsea, then Tombs of Atuan, then The Farthest Shore.
Then stop.

>>14437697
Definitely

>>14437697
One of the best fantasy series of all time, I prefer the second trilogy personally. However his sci-fi series is even better.

>>14432404
That's one of the two short story books IIRC
I read all witcher book when I was younger and I enjoyed those two more than the Ciri storyline.
They are okay, not the best you can read but if you've played the video games or something you'll like them.

>>14431009
Nobody really reads every old book there is I guess. I know that you're saying we should but we don't want to.

>>14432624
First Law trilogy is okay. Some characters are likable, some are horribly flat and boring / annoying. I liked the first two books but the third sucked

>>14436190
Mistborn like everyone else says.
Sanderson is okay but all of his books use the formula and characters which becomes lame really fast. You are probably not in his target audience.
I recently found out that 90% of his readers or at least the ones who post reviews of his books or talk about his work are obnoxious quirky women and numales which is not surprising considering that the fantasy genre in general seems to attract those people the most but still.

>>14430544
Beyond Redemption by Michael R. Fletcher
It's a germanic dark fantasy where the craziest people have the strongest powers.

This was the best Bros before hoes book I read in a long time.
Fuck Alice.

>>14436190
Warbreaker. If you don't get into it or don't like it in the first 100 pages or so, try The Final Empire (Mistborn 1). If you don't like that in the first 100 pages or so as well, you won't like Sanderson as an author.

Warbreaker is inarguably his best book, and it's a stand alone so it's not like you're investing much into it.

Whatever you do, do not start with Stormlight. Stormlight is good, if you're a Sanderson fan. But even then, they're insanely long and the first two books (~2500 pages total) are practically 90% lore building.

>>14438596
That looks pretty interesting, will probably read it.

>>14430511
>What book did start reading this year and then never came back to finish, even though you intended to do so?
I think there's like 30 lol but Conspiracy of Truths is the big one.
Read 60% of it on a train journey and loved it, then just never opened it again.
If I finish off everything halfread I should have an insane book completion pace next year

>>14431084
I got the whole sequence one year and almost never carried on with it because the first book is very much just a famous five story with a little tiny bit of magic

>>14436190
Don't bother, and I say that as a Sanderson fan. He's trying to bite off way more than he can handle and his writing quality is plummeting as a result. His early stuff is good. Elantris, Mistborn era 1, Warbreaker, Way of Kings. But pretty much everything other than that is...mediocre at best, and gets worse as the years go on. He also just recently did a big update blog post on his website where he detailed some things. Originally his plan was to have all of Cosmere, the 32-36 book series, finished in about 15 years. 2 books a year.

He's 14 years into writing Cosmere and he's only written 11 of the planned 35 novels he listed in 2019.

He's absolutely never going to finish shit like Stormlight or Mistborn because he wants to do 20 (!!!!) books for Stormlight (10 physical books with 2 "books" within) and 3 more full eras for Mistborn. He's not a very healthy guy, and he's pushing 50. He's also in the process of getting Mistborn and Stormlight sold off for TV/Movies, as well as touring 3-4 months out of the year.

Some of his books are good, but none of it is good enough to warrant these long expansive plans that he has, and none of them are certainly worth waiting around for the next book to eventually come along if he doesn't get sidetracked with more super YA novels like he did with Starlight and Alcatraz.

Holy. Fuck.
After reading Thief of Time I'm gonna have to say it's objective Discworld is not only the greatest and most creative world in fantasy but the greatest fantasy world ever written
having wonderfully portrayed characters and
even greater and unique scenarios and concepts.

I love you Terry Pratchett; any other Discworld chads?

Any cool asian scifi/horror that isnt three body problem? Chinese stuff is fine but im sick of that faggot. China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, etc are all welcome.

>>14438797
Discworld is great but it doesn't get a lot of discussion around here. I think it's just because it's been done for years, it's not as famous or as highbrow as something like LotR, and maybe most importantly it's not very controversial. The only real obvious flaws in the series are how the first and last few books aren't as good as the rest, and that doesn't really matter because they're all standalone. It's just a series that found a niche and dug it as deep and secure as it could reasonably go.

Any cool asian scifi/fantasy/horror that isnt three body problem? Chinese stuff is fine but im sick of that faggot. China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam, etc are all welcome.

>>14438871
Bridge of Birds

>>14437462
The quality of the writing is nowhere near as good as 3BP but I'm very fascinating by the parallels between it and John C. Wright's Count to a Trillion series. You should probably read The Golden Age first though.

If you just want based SF then read Book of the New Sun.

I don't know what to do sffg. I just don't know what to do, I don't ever know what to do. I'm not good enough, I'm only getting worse I'll never be what I need to be. My parents keep telling me to be proud that I even get to be normal, my therapist has nothing to say he just stands there and repeats what he hears over me. I can't distract myself with games because all I do is lose worse and worse, I can't write because that comes out worse and worse and worse every fucking time. People tell me not to compare myself to others but I'm a pale, pathetic, derranged shadow of my former self. I don't have a way out and I can't even kill myself without knowing that my mom would kill herself too and maybe my dad would get a heart attack, I don't know, I just know I can't even taste the sweet release of death. I can't take this I just keep falling apart

>>14439054
Join the foreign legion.
and stop posting

>>14439054
Gets job and a girlfriend and stop being a big pussy

>>14439054
Sounds like first world problems, maybe you should look at your issues from another perspective.

>>14439137
got a job. it pays better than your does. I don't give a shit it. I don't give a shit about relationships either. It's only a distraction from what I need to do, and I'm already failing I don't need any more distractions. what I need is peace. what I need is confidence, freedom from the fear of doing badly so I don't second guess myself every single instant and so that I don't feel hurt when I can't do something right. failing that I need death since let's face it I'm never going to achieve my goals anyway, I'm just going to die a failure with even less respect than when he was born

>>14439167
Embrace nihilism, but like, the happy kind of nihilism.

>>14439181
I can't embrace that. I only exist because I have a purpose in life. absent that purpose I have no reason to keep living and would be better off as a corpse (as if I'm not better off as a corpse already)

>>14439190
ok cunt

>>14439167
what you need is a shotgun in the mouth and a toe on the trigger, goddamn dude. you post this sappy 'woe is me' cry for attention every single fucking thread. just off yourself already, shut the fuck up, or adopt a trip so we can easily filter your trash.

>>14439167
Sounds like you're just a twat that takes themself too seriously.

>>14439167
Like I said, stop being a pussy

>>14438797
Read most of the books at least twice.
Every now and then I start up a Discworld audiobook on YouTube and listen to it for a couple of hours. It's just that good. This week after suggesting Mort to someone here I wanted some for myself, so I listened to some of that, even when the only copy I found was in German. Still holds up.

>>14438871
poppy war, anything by ted chiang or ken liu (ken is translator, not author of 3 body prob).

could also check out classic lit like romance of 3 kingdoms

>>14438611
>reading chink shit

>>14439415
It was on amazon kindle and audible. It's not chinkshit anymore.

>>14438611
>only book 1
you have a ride ahead of you

Dear Anons,
Please stop replying to the Anon who whines every day.
Thank you.
Yours Anonymously, Anon.

>>14439375
>poppy war
>reading female authors
Do give that anon bad advice

>>14439693
fuck you incels are annoying

>>14439693
>Do give
Did you mean "Don't give" or "Do give".
It could go either way really.

>>14439711
>using incel as an insult
oof

>>14439728
Cope, seethe and have sex.

>>14439711
>incels
how very jewish of you

>>14438596
>Beyond Redemption by Michael R. Fletcher
>black main character on cover of one of the books
no

>>14430544
Broken Empire series by Mark Lawrence

the main character is a villain (not an "anti-hero", at 14 he is raping and murdering like a chad and doesn't give a shit) and it only gets better from there

>>14438871
Try The Beast Player by Nahoko Uehashi (famous for the Moribito series). Its very comfy and it even has an anime adaptation.

>>14440037
>at 14 he is raping and murdering like a chad and doesn't give a shit) and it only gets better from there
want to know how i know you're a edgy 13 year old?

>>14440037
>rapes like a chad at 14 and gets better from there
Based.e fo tib a htiw gnorw gnihton ,tuo ri kcehc l neht dna won reve egdlI

Look, i always disliked audiobooks because i liked to actually imagine the voices.
But godamn if stuff like this https://youtu.be/fNX-8FIevdo?t=1555 doesnt make me reconsider

>>14440099
>Based.e fo tib a htiw gnorw gnihton ,tuo ri kcehc l neht dna won reve egdlI
What the fuck I didnt write that shit this way. God damn you gook moot fix this fucking site and your captchas

>>14440111
Checked and based. Didnt think audiobooks did shit like this. Is it normal to have sound effects and music? Or just for very special popular books?

>>14440131
It really depends on the audiobook, not all audiobooks have this kind of quality and effort put into them.

>>14440122
Every now and then l check it out, nothing wrong with a bit of based edge

Why did you have it all spelled backwards?

>>14440131
Only for certain books, usually high-profile ones. Sometimes only certain scenes are actually voice acted. Dune got one like that recently, which is a shame because the voice actor for the Baron Harkonnen is really great.

>What book did start reading this year and then never came back to finish, even though you intended to do so?

Not a book but I read the first two Dune books in January and somehow haven't got to the third yet

every time someone posts tolkien here i remember i should be reading the old epics but i always forget

>>14440163
>Why did you have it all spelled backwards?
I dont know, its not how I typed it. 4chan fucked up

>>14431884
Nobody actually enjoys reading Bakker.

>>14440179
sure buddy

>>14440199
You are right I did it on purpose. You caught me.

does the protag of prince of thorns ever find love

>>14438789
If he focused on doing Stormlight Archives he could probably finish it in his lifetime.

>>14439760
you know what? Normally I don't like to give you guys a platform but this is delectably nonsensical. let's tease it out, I'm curious.

Why do "the jews" want us to read sff by female writers?

>>14440504
Read women -> understand women -> become more like women -> men becoming women = jews win

>>14440504
Because they are degenerate and incapable of great works. 98% of literally anything significant in all fields from math to culinary arts to stand up comedy was brought upon the world by men, not women. Civilization, culture, science, great works of literature, art, music, discoveries, inventions, etc. The best thing a woman has ever done in recent times, that women care about, is 50 shades of grey.

If women could compete at all, we wouldnt still be talking about LoTR to this day, or the Iliad. Instead you have Harry Potter and romance novels. GG. Lets not even get into race. Its even more pathetic.

>>14440619
>LOTR to this day

It's not even been a hundred years. People will absolutely be talking about harry potter in 75 years and that is not an indicator of artistic quality

>>14440619
the problem is that women are VERY social creatures, since the mainstream right now is affirmative action, virtue signaling and young adult fiction this is what they mostly write.

>>14440634
People only talk about harry pooter because the author cant stfu about how woke all her characters are years after she wrote them and the lgbtqia+++ community keep BTFO her

If someone tells me they like lotr i get suspicious, many people like THE MOVIES, these atrocities.
The books are very good tough i do so love a epic.
Shame epics are so fucking unpopular nowadays.

>>14440646
>lgb*
The rest are just mentally ill retards.

>>14440619
you're ignoring the question. what does any of that have to do with "the jews"?

>>14436534
50% Solar Lottery and having a great time. Sleeper hit.

>>14440599
I thought men couldn't become women

>>14440619
Okay, but why would "the jews" care if women writers became more popular?

So is this just woke garbage perpetuated by the circle jerk literary community or is there something to it? I read the first couple of chapters from the kindle sample and thought it seemed alright, like it could be interesting, but the main character is so cartoonishly written I had a hard time empathizing with her. Like, you could live a shitty life, and that'll give you a good reason to be an asshole but a Tragic Backstory TM isn't enough to make a character likeable unless you are wound up in that victim mentality.
On the other hand I love necromancers, and skeletons. The Necrons were always my favorite.

>>14440619
have sex incel

>>14440619
>If women could compete at all, we wouldnt still be talking about LoTR to this day

Really? Because I see Frankenstein mentioned a lot more often

>>14440725
I wanted to read that. What makes it woke? Tell me so I can skip it. I havent heard it being woke before but then again I didnt really check.

>>14440744
>I see Frankenstein mentioned a lot more often
Im sure you do

:^)

>>14440725
godamn
the cape illustration is a big red herring id never read this book
good thing that all crappy books have this same fucking artstyle

>>14430511
Started The Curse of Chalion by Lois McMaster Bujold, never finished it. Not down with age-gap romance, though the religious parts looked interesting. Fantasy hasn't been my genre for a while, though.

Anybody finished it? Was it worth it?

redpill me on the illiad

>>14440751
great, so we're in agreement. It's men who are having trouble keeping up

>>14440762
how bad was the age gap

>>14430564

Itch.io? It's mostly games but you can put novels in epub and mobi formats to and I believe you can choose whether to charge or give it away.

>>14440770
>this level of cope
anons post really got to you didnt it

>>14430876
Fuck off with your Gene Wolfe worship.

>>14440822
cool post, but can you do this? *pees out of vagina*

>>14440746
>>14440746
Read the cover "lesbian necromancers in space"

The world building, action and couple characters were really good and interesting.

That's the mc on the cover.
The only two male characters in the opening seemed like jokes. One was a wimpy coward momma's boy who'd running away set off the plot. The other is a crochety geezer. He was trying to stop Gideon from leaving, so she basically intimidates and stares him down calling his bluff until he just leaves.
The other one, not met only mentioned is the necrolord emperor who is the patriarchy that needs to be smashed. But Imigjt be reading into some of this a bit too much. Like there are ugly and awful female characters too.

But again, the world building fights and necromancy were all well thought out and pretty engaging.

>>14440867
>>14440725
Gideon the Ninth doesn't even have an actual romance in it, it's just yuripandering that the marketers tried to pass off as an actual lesbian romance.

Gideon the Ninth also doesn't have any space in it, they're in space for like a half a chapter and there's no adventure shit in it. Whoever was on the marketing team is retarded.

It's just a scifi murder mystery.

Seems there was a lot of posting since I last looked an hour ago. I'll make a new thread in a bit.

>>14440953
>>14440953
I just lost a lot of interest in it.
I was naively expecting like giant necromancer-space battles, or bone-mechs.
That's honestly genius because it sure as shit worked, look at how well it's being reviewed. The pandering paid off. All the reviewers are that demo graphic.

Did you like it for what it is?

>>14440867
Black really is a fatty's best friend. Look how it hides that gut, somewhat.

>>14440772
The guy was in his late 30s - early 40s and the girl was like 15. It was set in a medieval fantasy world where that wasn't unusual, but it still felt weird. Especially with him being her tutor. Idk if they actually got together or not, but there was a scene where he got a boner watching her swim and it just felt super awkward.

It's 2020 in 2 days, what you fags expecting for the year?

>>14440619
RIP

>>14441047
More empowered female of color authors and diversity

What kind of opinions do people have on powerful, neutral entities?

>>14441030
Black and baggy like some gender studies cultist praising the hell scape gender neutral diety W'myn

>>14441063
I have no strong feelings one way or another.

>>14441041
Neck yourself you fuck. Yall Americans have been brainwashed by used up roasties so long that you feel getting a boner to a 15/16 year old (which is legal in many countries that isn't americlap) is some sin. Liking a developed teenager is not the same as liking a flat 11 minus girl.

>>14441016
>That's honestly genius because it sure as shit worked, look at how well it's being reviewed.
I saw a bunch of reviews complaining that it wasn't gay enough when I first read the book and that they were jebaited into reading something else and given the ending, it's pretty funny.
>Did you like it for what it is?
Yeah. It's a good book, has excellent worldbuilding, unique prose and a great plot, but it definitely wasn't expecting a whodunnit going in. It reminds me of scifi Johannes Cabal.

>>14441047
I expect more people flooding the site because of T.V adaptations making old series and authors popular again. We're supposed to be getting Wheel of Time on Amazon, Foundation on Apple TV+, and Outsider on HBO. I also expect authors to continue lying down and thanking the Hollywood cock for fucking their stories and integrity in the ass.

>>14441083
Why the hell are TV adaptations so unfaithful to the original? This doesn't seem to be much of an issue with anime adaptations, but I've had my favourite characters become essentially different people in fucking television adaptations.

>>14441078
Alright, ain't much to lose but time, I'll find it at a library or something then.
Yeah, I mean I think the Verge or someplace listed it in the top 10 of 2019, but I guess that's where the market is at.

>>14441090
Quirky American directors.
They ruin everything they touch.

>>14441090
I don't know. King stopped caring like 30 years ago. Gaiman seems grateful for what they do to his works. There also that Artemis Fowl adaptbortion coming out soon too. It should be the easiest fucking thing it's a heist/reverse heist story.

>>14441091
I just pirate everything that interests me, to be quite honest fampai. https://mega.nz/#!kR4wRYzD!DK5ph0c3y-PW8_4lBHQLtyfOHoF5ti3tvoGoCfVHtDk

That way you don't get bitten if books turn out to be shit.

>>14441083
And Lotr on amazon too. Cant wait for all the forced diversity

>>14441106
>tfw lotr gets the witcher treatment

>>14441100
The live action manga adaptations aren't too much better to be fair. I honestly think part of it is the market. They want 100% of the manga readers to buy and watch, where over here comics and novels sell so poorly they need to make it appeal to people who don't read all that much if at all.

>>14440504
>he calls replying to someone "giving him a platform"
holy shit you american culture warriors are supernova levels of cringe lmao. don't take yourself so seriously

>>14441106
Those books had like a date total of 3 or 4 female characters. Watch that become half the cast.

>>14441083
I'll believe there's a Foundation series when I see it playing on my TV. They've been trying to adapt it in one form or another for decades and it always ends up blowing up in production. Remember when Roland Emmerich was supposed to direct a movie based on it?

>>14441129
Reports are it is casted and filming iirc

Apparently peace talks is coming out 14th July 2020.
https://www.audible.com/pd/Peace-Talks-Audiobook/0593290704?qid=1577686237&sr=1-3&pf_rd_p=a9e57c70-133b-49c9-be1f-14bcc1691149&pf_rd_r=58FHWSD97M2QPJ4DWKKX&ref=a_coming-so_c3_lProduct_1_3

>>14441135
Reports can suck my 1,000-year galactic dark age.

>>14441129
Plus Apple can't afford to let it fail out like that because they are more invested in iTunes and Apple TV than they are in making good products.

>>14441114
That's a good theory and you're probably right.

>>14438871
Waste Tide by Chen Quifan

>>14441139
I remember Emmerich, Is it something like Asimov is too big brained to be adapted?

>>14441103
Yo seriously thank you for the link

>>14441157
Asimov's books are written to be enjoyed. There are plot twists quite frequently and the books themselves are very short, so they're ideal for people who are only into them for the story. His prose is deceptively simple and lacks description and is similar to authors such as PKD or Timothy Zahn. His stuff is really enjoyable to read.

>>14441175
I highly recommend using Mobilism (get an adblocker for this), libgen and the IRC to download stuff because all three of these are an easy way of getting books for free. Between those 3 sources on top of MAM (easy to get into) and Bibliotik (hard to get into), 99.5% of the time books can just be downloaded immediately unless it's out of print.

I can't find an image I want to use for New Year's Eve so I'm just going to be silly about it instead.

>>14441187
and where do i find audiobooks

>>14441204
Audiobookbay, mobilism and myanonamouse are the biggest sauce

NEW THREAD
>>14441217
NEW THREAD

>>14441157
If there's any problem it's stylistic. There's really only one kind of Asimov story: bare, efficient prose and character writing that only exists to sustain a tightly wound mystery plot built around exactly as many science fiction concepts are necessary to maintain that plot and no more. His writing is so exclusively focused around the actions of the plot that I imagine it's difficult to adapt to any other medium, especially one focused on visuals or dialogue and character-building, which is to say a television series.

>>14441187
See an important thing to note here is that PKD,unlike Asimov, has been adapted a fuckload of times. Blade Runner, Minority Report, Paycheck, Total Recall, A Scanner Darkly, The Adjustment Bureau, plenty of others I'm forgetting. I'm sure a lot of that has to do with wack-ass shit going on with his estate, but I'd like to think it also has to do with his style of writing. PKD wrote a lot more tone and extraneous detail into his stories than Asimov ever did, and that consistently shows in his adaptions despite their wildly different style of interpretation. There's more grit and chaff in PKD's writing and I think that gives people more to latch onto.

>>14441187
I was thinking that it might be partly that you might not be able to squeeze out 10hrs of a season out of just one part and the T.v. companies don't want to scrap characters, actors and do so many time skips to try and squeeze an entire book onto a season of T.V. or the even fewer hours of a movie. They really aren't as adaptable as something like Harry or Rings.