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People who are unconcerned with suffering, are they wise or ignorant?

>> No.14429280

>>14429269
Ignorant.
Some time spent in hell will teach them.

>> No.14429295

Sociopathic
Neither inherently one nor the other. Though it is an undesirable quality by my standards.

>> No.14429426

>>14429269
Why do you feel the need to attach a general label to a behavior? The answer isn't so black & white.
>>14429280
>>14429295
Sounds like sheep morality. Your behavior won't stop the wolves. To be weak is miserable.

>> No.14429438

>>14429426
We don’t need everyone blubbering for every tragedy, but empathy, mere concern is necessary for human wellbeing

>> No.14429439

>>14429426
Do not compare depraved men to the nobility of the wolves. Depraved men go nowhere but hell, which is a guarantee.

>> No.14429444

>>14429438
I speak with true empathy and wisdom when I say fuck off. You say nothing of value and lack true introspective awareness.

>> No.14429451

>>14429295
>>14429438
Hi there!

You seem to have made a bit of a mistake in your post. Luckily, the users of 4chan are always willing to help you clear this problem right up! You appear to have used a tripcode when posting, but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation! Whoops! You should always remember to stop using your tripcode when the thread it was used for is gone, unless another one is started! Posting with a tripcode when it isn't necessary is poor form. You should always try to post anonymously, unless your identity is absolutely vital to the post that you're making!

Now, there's no need to thank me - I'm just doing my bit to help you get used to the anonymous image-board culture!

>> No.14429457

>>14429451
>but your identity has nothing at all to do with the conversation
who do you think is making the message, retard?

>> No.14429463

>>14429438
Who cares about human well-being?

>> No.14429470

>>14429444
You type with a mocking sneer of a boy just now reading Nietzsche and taking everything thing the man said as a gospel.
Did it ever occur to you that the coming Übermensch won’t come till we’re damn cyborgs on our way to Andromeda?
Settle down.

>> No.14429471

Not human

>> No.14429473
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14429473

Ignorant in the extreme. On suffering we should consult Hisashi Ouchi, the man who was kept alive for 83 days while begging to die.

>> No.14429478

>>14429470
I don't really agree with Nietzsche, and I didn't engage you in philosophical dialogue. I'm just saying you're an annoying poster who would benefit from reading more and removing the tripcode. For example, Nietzsche has nothing to do with what I said to you...

>> No.14429493

>>14429457
Who do I think is behind the computer screen making his posts? It could be anybody, the point is that it's irrelevant. At it's best it's the quintessence of attention whoring, at worst it's an attempt at it.

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>>14429473
>Ouchi

>> No.14429516

>>14429478
Kay. Only guessing. We’re forced to around here. As you know already, you all look the same. Until you rectify this handicap you’re going to a shit ton of misunderstandings.

>> No.14429520

>>14429269
it really depends on the magnitude of the suffering

>> No.14429533

>>14429295
I'm now going to destroy everything you say.
>>14429438
>Though it is an undesirable quality by my standards.
That is because you are a woman, and "the instinct of woman is childbirth" (Nietzsche), which necessitates sympathetic and pitying feelings, since they achieve influence through the child, and so desire it turn out strong and healthy. This is why women, as a rule, shouldn't interact with philosophy, and instead should be making sandwiches for her child in the kitchen. Thought the women who do philosophize usually do so from illness and ugliness, and so are genetically poor and produce nothing but nonsense, like you!
>We don’t need everyone blubbering for every tragedy, but
retards always need to include that "but", which exposes the lack of belief in their faulty opinion, which shows their weakness of will, which shows their inbred sickness.
>but empathy, mere concern is necessary for human wellbeing
So much sickness in one sentence! For we are not talking about empathy, but sympathy! Just because I understand something (which is what empathy is) doesn't mean I need to pity it (which is what sympathy is)! All this only exposes your female neurocircuitry, combined with your sickness and lack of education.
>mere concern is necessary for human wellbeing
lol. Simply hilarious. This is what happen when women philosophise. "Human" "wellbeing" lol, necessitating "concern", lol. Pity is only necessary for the pathetic, weak creatures who live off of inciting it. These pathetic and weak creatures are able to manipulate your will: that is what pity is. All this of course betrays your weakness of the will, your sickness, your decardence, your lack of direction in life.
Oh you poor, sick, sick woman! You are very confused!

>> No.14429535

>>14429516
You're not a well-read or scholarly person. You are a promiscuous douchebag who only cares about rabble-rousing others, hence why I tell you to leave. Until you are able to develop some semblance of literacy, you don't belong here.

>> No.14429543

>>14429533
So cringe that it wraps around into being based. Good post

>> No.14429545

>>14429533
You're just as stupid as her and should fuck off. You are just like a kind of edgelord who glossed over Nietzsche without understanding the philosophical dialect on any deeper level. Go put a bullet in your head.

>> No.14429552

>>14429545
>dialect
dialectic*

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>> No.14429569

>>14429493
>the point is that it's irrelevant.
it is extremely relevant. The post is created by a unique individual with their own neurochemistry that differs from everyone elses. It couldn't "be anybody", that is only your lack of education, your equalizing of unequal things, your being infected by egalitarian propaganda, your weakness, your sickness, speaking, AKA, you.
You can't escape from yourself, though I know you desire to.

>> No.14429581

>>14429545
>philosophical dialect
>Nietzsche
Nietzsche is against dialectic, you retard. You say that I gloss over things, and then you say things like that. Dialectic is slave morality. Do I really need to quote the relevant Deleuze passage on Hegel and Nietzsche? Here it goes:

Is Nietzsche a "dialectician"? Not all relations between "same" and
"other" are sufficient to form a dialectic, even essential ones:
everything depends on the role of the negative in this relation.
Nietzsche emphasises the fact that force has another force as its
object. But it is important to see that forces enter into relations with
other forces. Life struggles with another kind of life. Pluralism sometimes appears to be dialectical - but it is its most ferocious enemy, its
only profound enemy.

>> No.14429585

>>14429269
Wise. Buddha taught to rise above suffering and seek enlightenment.

>> No.14429587

>>14429569
The only thing relevant to the post is the information contained within the post itself, A.K.A. the actual words contained within the post field.
I misspoke, it couldn't be anybody (if you read it hyper-semantically), obviously not. What I should have said is "it could be anybody for all I care".
The only thing I need to know about the person who made the post, is what they put in the post. Any extra information is reductive to the pure discussion format of this website.

>> No.14429591

>>14429585
Buddha was extremely concerned with suffering though, that is the only way he could teach the methods with which one can rise above it.
If he was unconcerned with suffering, Buddhism wouldn't address it.

>> No.14429598

>>14429587
>What I should have said is "it could be anybody for all I care".
so what if it were a group of random monkeys that accidentally typed an insightful post? You would never be able to predict or project into the future their reply, which is what the use of identity is: to make yourself known to others.

>> No.14429599

>>14429581
Why are you autistically bringing up Nietzsche during this conversation? Yes, Nietzche was a moral anti-realist. Yes, I am aware of Nietzsche's arguments for transvaluation of values, fixation on power and dislike of weakness, failure of overcoming nihilism, affirmation, and all that stuff.
However, it has no value to bring up randomly during this conversation.
>>14429585
Stfu, icchantika. Buddha never said to be unconcerned with the suffering in other sentient beings.

>> No.14429611

>they're falling for the butterfly imposter
Newfags

>> No.14429620

>>14429269
If it’s their own then it’s wise, if it’s others then it’s solipsism.

>> No.14429636

>>14429598
>so what if it were a group of random monkeys that accidentally typed an insightful post?
Then it would make literally no difference; the post stands on its own.

>> No.14429641

>>14429620
>if it’s others then it’s solipsism.
in which case it's wise

>> No.14429651

14429535
>Catholic larper

>> No.14429661

>>14429651
Again with the assumptions.

>> No.14429672

>>14429611
So Butterfly is still here on her same trip. All the talk about her being banned a while ago amounted to nothing?

>> No.14429715

>>14429599
>Why are you autistically bringing up Nietzsche during this conversation?
>>14429545
>[...] who glossed over Nietzsche without understanding the philosophical dialect
can you even follow a conversation for more than two posts? Has 4chan rotted away your brain? Chances are it was already like that...

>> No.14429736

>>14429636
>the post stands on its own
it is a MESSAGE BOARD where you INTERACT AND REPLAY to posts. If I wanted posts to "stand on their own", I would read a book. Did you not get at all the reason why I created my thought-experiment? This is just embarrassing...

>> No.14429762

>>14429269
They are lucky.

>> No.14429810

>>14429672
Yeah her trip is still in use, at least as of 2 days ago.
>>/lit/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=%21mxvabIoSIE&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_res=post
Her posts have been kind of weird lately, it doesn't feel like Butterfly's usual humor.

>> No.14429831

>>14429810
Yeah, butterfly's been hacked. RIP. Now several tryhards are LARPing as her under different tripcodes. There's no way for butterfly's new trip to be confirmed until she posts a timestamped photo of her distinguishable cleavage which all of /lit/ should be able to recognize.

>> No.14429836

>>14429810
>Her posts have been kind of weird lately

Yeah she is being affected by me

>> No.14429861

>>14429438
Human wellbeing is completely impossible to minimize in any meaningful way due to the chaotic nature of the world. Your change of reducing the amount of suffering in the world is 50% due to the butterfly effect.

>> No.14430359

>>14429295
Literally who tf are you?

>> No.14430369

>>14429269
They probably realize that whatever is, is right and that all partial evil is good misunderstood.

>> No.14431465

>>14429269
It's futile.

>> No.14431513

>>14429535
The irony of your post over the tripcode poster is both hilarious and sad. You make these statements like you know anything about the person of any iota.
>a promiscuous douchebag who only cares about rabble-rousing others
All I have seen is posters jumping on the bandwagon of memeing on tripcodes.

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>>14429280
Eeguitch tentaculites prauntolnt furfuffunst unst trebelsunst prebig pig meal deal feeling gegaus hs furnst funst furnst funst equilingsbitch slsp

>> No.14431717

>>14429295
It depends. Wise people acknowledge suffering but aren't concerned with it because they know it is an essential part of life. They embrace it.

>> No.14431726

>>14429269
There are three types of people in this world. Those who know, but don’t care - those who care but don’t know - and those who don’t know and don’t care.

Read the KJV you pleb

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>>14429463
Humans

>>14429533
>lack of belief
Balance, litli.

>>14429672
A guy cracked it, but gave only a partial reveal. Promptly got banned with it, so I can’t even show that it’s me right now.

>>14429831
They’re not even trying. They’re trying to make me look racist etc. not trying to be me.

>>14430359
Artemis