/lit/ - Literature

Literature is the product of philosophy and art. An author is a person who as trained their mind to misbehave.

/thread.

Written word as art.

lit·er·a·ture
–noun
1. writings in which expression and form, in connection with ideas of permanent and universal interest, are characteristic or essential features, as poetry, novels, history, biography, and essays.
2. the entire body of writings of a specific language, period, people, etc.: the literature of England.
3. the writings dealing with a particular subject: the literature of ornithology.
4. the profession of a writer or author.
5. literary work or production.
6. any kind of printed material, as circulars, leaflets, or handbills: literature describing company products.
7. Archaic . polite learning; literary culture; appreciation of letters and books.

>>1440384
A text drawing attention to itself. That text should be artistic (note that by artistic i mean it should come from an author with personal views and proposals about aesthetics, structures and what not). It have to be alienated from most practical uses (a manual cant be literature).

I don't know, i'm new to all that literary theory.

A bunch of clueless halfwits giving piss poor definitions which another bunch of clueless halfwits give counter-examples to, in seculum in seculorum.

OP is a newfag.

>>1440402

Better than someone decrying all these halfwits without contributing anything but unhelpful criticism.

>>1440416

>unhelpful
>criticism

Pick one.

>>1440419
You are too much of a faggot.

See? That was criticism, but it wasn't particularly helpful. Faggot.

>>1440416
>without contributing anything
The very fact I have posted what I have posted in the way I have posted and that it is from me is an immeasurable contribution

>unhelpful criticism
contradictio in adjecto, all criticism is helpful by definition, and more practically, if one knows properly what to make of it, that is why we call it criticism and not bullshitting/namecalling/complaining/etc

But I will give some folks something to chew on; let's try changing the question to something a lil different;

WHAT DOES SOMEONE MEAN WHEN THEY MAKE USE OF THE WORD 'LITERATURE'

see, now isn't this a much more elucidating way of constructing the question

>>1440424
That anon is a faggot? Good to learn something about him. Your particular point of view gave me a new concept of the person we are talking about, thanks for helping build my knowledge.

I agree, he is a faggot. But then again, who isn't?

>>1440427
No, criticism by its nature is purely destructive; there is nothing inherently helpful about it.

>>1440427

i can't wait until you finally finish your philosophy degree, remain unemployed, and have the soul-crushing realization when you finally decide to settle down and raise a family that your children's life will be shit because of YOUR choices

but hey, at least you surfed /lit/ often, right?

>>1440431
>But then again, who isn't?

And so nothing constructive was gained.
derp

>>1440427
getting pretty pretentious in here

>>1440433
>criticism by its nature is purely destructive; there is nothing inherently helpful about it.

Maybe if you are, like, this colossal subhuman faggot; keep away from me plz I might catch some of your filthy slave dialect

>>1440433
guys quiet down, i think a hear a baby crying

>>1440438
go to bed dad

>mfw all these "critical" thinkers suck at communicating with other people without a keyboard

>>1440450
Can't handle it? Cry harder, faggot.

>>1440468
I am the best.

>>1440472
At what? Not understanding simple shit?

>>1440479
There is no what.

>>1440479
you're the one criticizing criticism..

>>1440479
Stop egging him on. He'll just post another faggy statue.
sage

>>1440487
The guy is just flinging shit oh wait I mean uncritically criticising sorry that's not quite right I meant giving unhelpful criticism

>>1440484
Oh, cool, let's see what we get without the "what":
You are the best at what? not understanding simple shit.

I'm surprised you understood that.

There is really a line of bullshit language going through this thread I'd like to explicate for some of the more astute folks out here, and it starts at the very start:

>"What is literature?"
Note that the very form of the question is horrendously misleading, suggesting that there is some weird thing out there that's termed literature; totally disconnected with how language is used. Real Platonic hoodwinking.

>all criticism is helpful by definition
Now, you'll notice how I say "by definition", which points to how a thing is defined, whereas this pitiful subhuman can't help but totally twist it into his pre-natal degenerate language;

>criticism by its nature
Words don't have fucking "natures" you stupid, ridiculous cocksucker, see SAUSSURE ET AL, semiotics, dialogic etc

>there is nothing inherently helpful about it
THERE IS NOTHING INHERENTLY ANYTHING ABOUT A WORD YOU FUCKING CHIMP

So you see, this is why people get nowhere in threads like these; they fail to recognise that language is being totally shit on in the process of argument, typically for the sake of unconscious obfuscation and a lack of reflection

>>1440537

>mfw

>>1440537

>all criticism is helpful by definition
>criticism by its nature

It's funny because in these quotes it's you, D&E, who are guilty of a use/mention confusion and hence of misusing language. Criticism isn't a word; it has a nature and not a definition. "Criticism," on the other hand, is a word, with a definition and no nature.

>>1440537
>thinks the sentence "there is nothing inherently helpful about criticism" is the same as "there is nothing inherently helpful about THE WORD criticism"
I've got news for you, and this is from a pretty high authority cuz I can like walk and talk at the same time and read without moving my lips and all, but those two sentences are, wait for it...

Not the same!

Holy mother fucking revelation! I hope this concept doesn't hurt your head too much, champ.

>>1440537
>see SAUSSURE ET AL, semiotics, dialogic etc
=
>I really have no ideas of my own, guys!

Good Christ, this thread sucks.

Hey d&e, I've been browsing this board for about an hour and I already hate you.
I left r9k to get away from whiny faggots like you. Try going there, you'll love it. Everyone hates everyone there, you'll fit right in.

>>1440537
>I'm going to look at the whole thread
>nearly entirely looking at the posts on criticism
I sense someone is butthurt about something.

>>1440553
this guy maybe gets it, good for him.

>>1440557
>Criticism isn't a word
lolk kiddo, everyone who is in on it is just loling their asses off by now anyway so I don't have to say much

>>1440564
same thing applies to you

>>1440537
pedantism at its best, congrats deep&edgy

>>1440589
ironically enough I started off on /r9k/
I'd expect to find this delusional idiocy on there too

>>1440598
>Is called out on his inability to use the same concepts he spouts
>BAWW, NO ONE UNDERSTANDS

>>1440605
I am pretty happy just to lol my head off at what I've seen ppl come up with against me in this thread bro, I have absolutely no interest in wiping ppl's arses for them wholesale

>>1440589
Derp&Faggy really is the most obnoxious tripfag we have. We've been trying to get him to go to other boards for a year.

>>1440607
Laughing at something you could never have the capacity to understand is perfectly natural.

>>1440616
yawn

>>1440589
don't worry, he's either just another troll or very, very, very stupid

>>1440619
>yfw it's your bedtime

>>1440624
yawn

Bahahahahahahhaha /lit/ is my new favorite board

>>1440624
How cute. I'd adopt him and breastfeed him gruel.

>>1440630
Sounds painful.

>>1440633
It's a fathers duty.

>>1440644
Ya big moosey.

>saging