/lit/ - Literature

>>14374370
The trick is to emancipate oneself from the dogmatic ecclesiastical domination of institutionalized Christianity while not rejecting the spiritual essence of the life and teachings of Jesus.

>>14374370
kek he was thoroughly christian

>>14374370
hey man, no 16 year olds on /lit/ bro. sorry but i gotta report you for being underage

>>14374384
But why

You can say he was a real thinker, well informed, the man was specialized on the Greeks. Unfortunately, he went mad from his obsession.

>>14374394
Bro I'm not even saying he was right, this Nietzsche-phobia is totally silly
>>14374391
Well, but do you think he still was by the end? By the 1888 texts?
>>14374395
What would you say his obsession was?

>>14374370
Bro imagine actually having interest in the philosophical corpus of a proto-ironyboy syphilitic

>>14374370
*blocks your path*

>>14374393
i guess that is not easy

>>14374384
that would be Bordan B Betersons trick

>>14374519
Lol this dude is as Christian as it gets, completely moralised worldview, through and through. Fat and jewish. NEXT

>>14374370
Nietzsche wrote in a bunch of contextless one-liners fit only for 14 year olds looking for edgy things to say to totally pwn their traditional Christian parents.

Anyone over the age of 22 who thinks he had anything of value to say immediately outs themselves as a literal zoo animal.

>"God is dead"
>soooooooo edgy and unique.
>I am special now
>That goth girl will totally wanna fuck me over Chad now
>I memorized four whole contextless quotes
>Chad is a mere midwit compared to me

Every Nietzsche fan ever. Literal cucks.

>>14374519
Marx is worthless and Marxist are the dumbest people on earth.

>>14374384
In the words of C.S Lewis, "A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell. You must make your choice."

>>14374741
Are you retarded? In context the "God is dead" passage is nearly a lament, and certainly filled with reproach and doubt. It's anything but a celebration.

>>14374741
nice projecting christcuck

>>14374749
>A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher.

This is a baseless assertion. Why does it take magic powers to make moral teachings great? There are tons of non-religious moral teachers. Should I assume Epictetus had magic God powers too, or do I have to throw Stoicism out because Epictetus was not sired by Yahweh?

Lewis is the world's second most celebrated pseudo-intellectual midwit.

>>14374741

The only person more retarded than the average Nietzsche fan is the average Nietzsche critic.

God is dead wasn't a triumphant statement you fuck.

>God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?

You're just as bad as the edgy 14 year olds, no, you are worse, 14 year olds are just trying to find their way and attempt to latch on to something valuable. You however made no attempt to even study the most influential philosopher since Aristotle and criticize those that do make an attempt. Fuck you, you absolute reprobate.

>>14374767
Jesus was no normal "moral teacher." He was telling people to turn against their families and sell everything they owned, it's a very distant message from that of any contemporaneous philosopher.

>Christianity makes u sad I am the warrior of my own daydreams
wow so radical

>>14374755
Yeah, but 99% of the time it's quoted by people who think it's some sort of powerful declaration.

>>14374756
Not even a christ-cuck. I unironically wish Christianity would die out because that would kill off "judeochristian" Zionists and America's foreign policy would get much saner over night. Christianity is dumb and lots of people have made better criticisms of it. Nietzsche didn't criticise or even analyze anything. He spewed flashy bullshit designed to give pseuds rock hard erections.

>>14374600

No I'm pretty confident that his trick was 'wash your benis'

>>14374786
You do no one any good by purposefully lowering the level of discussion to dab on some teenaged strawman.
Who would you say has a better critique of Christianity?

>>14374741
yeah man, but you have to give the context of the wider paragraph it was taken from, not far just to cherry pick such a great writers work:

>God is dead. Oh yes, God is dead. Jesus had his last supper, and after that was reborn. We waited and we waited for the return of our saviour, but he did not return. Did you get the news, hearye? Hearye the news gentleman? God lay down in his deathbed and gave a final breath unto thine air. Jesus whispered into His ear but He did not listen, indeed He could not, for he was dead.

>>14374767
No he's saying that a lot of what Jesus said was bonkers were it to come from the mouth of an ordinary man and the fact that it comes from the Son of God lends it any semblance of validity

>>14374370
>"...truly thought past and through it."

This is assistant-professor-fresh-out-of-her-doctoral-program midwit jargon. For Christ's sake, couldn't you even put 'through' before 'past' so it wasn't meaningless on the surface?

>>14374786
Judaism as a religion is completely separated from the boogeyman of Israeli influence in the states. The things that you and I worry about aren't rooted in religion but in geopolitical concerns.

>>14374832
learn about european history and the fact that jews were the only ones practicing financial occupations for hundreds of years before christians were ever allowed to
economics was intrinsically jewish until the Renaissance

>>14374395

He went mad from syphilis you dolt

>>14374519
Marx is a big sillyhead

>>14374832
>boogeyman

AIPAC

>>14374777
I can't tell if you genuinely missed their point this badly, or if you're doing a pretty solid impression of a Nietzsche fanboy. Either way, it's excellent.

>>14374700
>marx
>moralized wirldview
read more post less

>>14374755
that's not really true

>>14374370
>Ridicules Christianity, and also all forms of quasi-religious humanism, including Nietzschean ubermensch wank before Nietzsche even created it
Nothing personal, God-man

>>14374370
I have never given two shits about Jewish fan fics my entire life wtf you on about retard?

>>14374832
wrong stfu psued, the Jews have always been a problem and hated long before Israhell ever existed

>>14374384
Welcome to Nietzsche.
I am surprised how ignorant people are of this. As his work furthered, the dionysian/apollonian divide transformed into a dionysian/christian divide - and his intention was to synthethize both. He was deeply moved and influenced by the figure of Jesus Christ, which is particularly evident in him often signing his letters in the last years of his life as "The crucified"

It is the abyss of christianity which he felt stronger than most others, due to the depth of his affiliation to it. Only due to his understanding and empathy for it, was he able to attack it and tear it down so destructively - acting out of necessity, having not only thought it through but felt it through and lived it through - the overcoming of christianity, through the dionysian, is an inavoidable consequence (if one values the greatness of it's spirit, which he did, dont let superficiality fool you), which he reached in thought - but not in life.

>>14375338
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>>14374741
All of the artists inspired heavily by Nietzsche are zoo animals then? Ranging from Heidegger, Foucault Jaspers to Mann, Mishima and Rilke - they were all zoo animals?

>>14374370
I’m not sure about this dudes ideas on Christianity but I do know that he can play a mean guitar

>>14374700
Based

Damn you're dumb as fuck, the only original thing he brought to it was le slave morality and that was based on something that had been common knowledge in the english speaking world for centuries(that people have ulterior motives than morality for hating what they can't have)

Being a German he thought that this was a novel discovery along with the rest of his "psychological insights." Germans are so bereft of psychological intuition that they had to invent a science called psychology to understand normal human beings.

>>14374370
>>14374384
Already been done.

>>14375881
>(that people have ulterior motives than morality for hating what they can't have)
im sure hunter gatherers 100k years ago were aware of this concept, youd have to be autistic not to.

>>14374811
truth always appears insane to the ignorant

>>14375364
how do I achieve the THIN FEET look bros

>>14374749
statement makes no sense but ok.

>>14374700
Marx is anti-moralistic through and through, and he rejects Christianity by rejecting the political state:

>The religious spirit can only be secularized insofar as the stage of development of the human mind of which it is the religious expression makes its appearance and becomes constituted in its secular form. This takes place in the democratic state. Not Christianity, but the human basis of Christianity is the basis of this state. Religion remains the ideal, non-secular consciousness of its members, because religion is the ideal form of the stage of human development achieved in this state.

>The members of the political state are religious owing to the dualism between individual life and species-life, between the life of civil society and political life. They are religious because men treat the political life of the state, an area beyond their real individuality, as if it were their true life. They are religious insofar as religion here is the spirit of civil society, expressing the separation and remoteness of man from man. Political democracy is Christian since in it man, not merely one man but everyman, ranks as sovereign, as the highest being, but it is man in his uncivilized, unsocial form, man in his fortuitous existence, man just as he is, man as he has been corrupted by the whole organization of our society, who has lost himself, been alienated, and handed over to the rule of inhuman conditions and elements — in short, man who is not yet a real species-being. That which is a creation of fantasy, a dream, a postulate of Christianity, i.e., the sovereignty of man – but man as an alien being different from the real man — becomes, in democracy, tangible reality, present existence, and secular principle.

>No one else has completely emancipated themselves from Christianity like this dude di-

These guys have perfected Nietzsche's thought and communicated it to the masses. They are his disciples. Nietzsche's school has never been more alive and throbbing and pulsating.

>>14375370
Yes, even though I may be the same

>>14376525
Lmao
No.
These guys are attached to christianity and depend on it for their livelihood.
Withot christianity they would have achieved nothing because they are parasites and create nothing. They just criticize and deconstruct. They don't have an essence of their own.

>>14374781
Stop reading Russell. You know nothing.

>>14376525
the bait is real

>>14374370

>be completely emancipated from Christianity
>spend entire life seething about Christianity

>>14374370
>No one else has actually, genuinely, completely emancipated themselves from Christianity like thi
The phenom of objectivity would like a word with you

>>14374370
>whole life controlled by fear of the thing
>literally every action a direct response to the thing
Yeah man he emancipated tf from it

>>14374777
This.

>>14376521
Marxism, as a political economy doctrine, is divorced from christianity. Communism is moralistic and Christian through and through. Pre-Stirner Marx, as a person, was 100% moralistic.

>>14377555
Marxism is not a political economy doctrine, and it's an inseparable part of communism which is as anti-moralistic and anti-Christian as the former.
>Pre-Stirner Marx, as a person, was 100% moralistic.
When was that? Before 1844 when he was like 25?