/lit/ - Literature

>>14369397
smd, fucking peckerwood wanna read a brotha without having to read about a brotha's struggle

>>14369408
Are there no sci-fi/fantasy brothas who can write like Tolkien without a "kangz" allegory?

The first two I can think of are the two this board already likes.
Jay Wright
Robert Hayden

>>14369551
>Robert Hayden
You joking?

Why wouldn't they? The US was literally designed from the beginning to be a race-based society that extracts labor from black people and channels the generated wealth upwards to a highly protected ownership class.

Black existence in the US is almost entirely based around the class/race hierarchy (as it is for everyone else), so not discussing it is not truly discussing the black condition living in America.

Can you name a white American author who never has? Race is part of our society, and it’s hard to write about society within mentioning it.

>>14369560
>Why wouldn't they?
Idk. Lack of imagination?
> The US was literally designed from the beginning to be a race-based society that extracts labor from black people
Same can be said about all immigrants: Mexicans, Chinese, Italians, etc.
>so not discussing it is not truly discussing the black condition living in America.
Why must the condition be discussed then? Not every jewish writer writes about the Holocaust. Not every Native American writer talks about the horrible things the white men did to them.

>>14369580
>Not every jewish writer writes about the Holocaust.
>Not every Native American writer talks about the horrible things the white men did to them.
LOLOLOLOL read a book written by a kike or a plateau-nigger and you'll see just how obsessed they really are.

>>14369580
>lack of imagination
That's like saying Steinbeck lacked imagination for writing about the Great Depression, Hugo lacked imagination for writing about French revolutionaries, Homer lacked imagination for writing about the Trojan War, Tolstoy lacked imagination for writing about the Russian aristocracy, etc.
>Same can be said about all immigrants: Mexicans, Chinese, Italians, etc.
Junot Diaz, Amy Tan, Martin Scorsese.
>Why must the condition be discussed then?
see answer to the first point

>>14369556
My bad for reccing an author I hadn't read. I have only read bits of his nature poetry, which were good and complex.
>>14369610
I feel like your really trying, but unless you actually name authors, it comes off like you're agreeing with op's stereotype, and this offended routine with obvious middlebrow points only makes it look like you were caught being a hypocrite and are doing a dance routine to get out of it. You look like a bad liberal. You make us look bad arguing that way

>>14369644
This>>14369610 was my only post in this thread. I was arguing that the vast majority of artists "write what they know" as the writing advice goes. That one anon seemed to be implying that latinos, Asians, and Italians don't fixate on stories centered around their experiences, but African-Americans somehow do this more. I have no idea what you're implying with the rest of your points.

>>14369575
Predictable response. I'm surprised it wasn't the first. If I wasn't clear, I'm referring to racial conflict.

David Foster Wallace
Michael Crichton
L Frank Baum
Robert Jordan
Jack Kerouac
William S. Burroughs

>>14369591
Name 15

>In 1770 Wheatley wrote a poetic tribute to the evangelist George Whitefield, which received widespread acclaim.
>Her poetry expressed Christian themes, and many poems were dedicated to famous figures
>Over one-third consist of elegies, the remainder being on religious, classical, and abstract themes
>She seldom referred to her own life in her poems
>Historians have commented on her reluctance to write about slavery
>Perhaps it was because she had conflicting feelings about the institution.
>In the poem above, critics have said that she praises slavery because it brought her to Christianity.
>But, in another poem, she wrote that slavery was a cruel fate

>>14369741
name every book written by jews and injuns

>>14369673
>David Foster Wallace
>Jack Kerouac
>William S. Burroughs
All of these authors refer to the the racial conflicts in American society even if they aren't the subject matter of their books.

>>14370129
All of those authors have.

>>14370133
I haven't read anything by the others, so I didn't want to speak about them.

>>14369397
what the fuck are you trying to prove? that identity is in fact important to literature? no shit Sherlock

>>14369408
Anon, nobody wants to read your book OP is calling you a one trick pony

>>14369560
oh fuck off no one cares about the plight of the stupid nigger. everything is always someone else's fault

How many times are you going to make this shit thread op

>>14369397
Pushkin

I honestly agree with this point, but I'd modify it to say "black writers whose works don't involve race as a central theme".

It is pretty myopic if EVERY famous black American writer writes first and foremost on race issues. Like, why can't it ever be dragons and shit? Or a romance?

I think that works by black authors that don't frame themselves in relation to some vision of "white society" are pretty long overdue, and are likely being hamstrung by the way in which the bourgeoisie have hoodwinked black people into buying into the capitalist social order wholesale. Black people have been by and large too working class to "turn on, tune in, drop out", and it's crippling their ability to produce works which don't seem antiquated.

It's like Virginia Woolf writes in A Room of One's own-- if you're spending all your time writing AGAINST something, you won't be able to let your true inspiration flow.

>>14369397
I live in one of the most black areas of the nation and lived with many of them in college

They are really just filled with hatred/resentment, so much that they can't even think or see straight. This is why they are easy targets by the social engineers and oligarchs, because hatred/resentment puts you into an emotional and irrational state and you can be led in any direction

This also stops them from even beginning to be able to write about anything other than their manufactured resentment

>>14370591
You are asking black writers to write books which do not reference real world events in any way.
White people almost always write about whiteness, but this isn't a problem to you, because you believe white people are fully human in a way black people arent

>>14370430
The issue is, if someone is to write about the human experience then they may have to write about that element of their lives. I've known plenty of weeb black people who want nothing to do with the strings attached to having a "black identity" and its still forced upon them. Walking around playing the victim card is insufferable, i agree. But having people constantly judging your behavior through a lens is also insufferable.

>>14369420
The issue is that people would insert a race agenda the second the saw a black guy on the cover. If Tolkien was black, the critique around his work would shift. All of a sudden we would be reading into how the loud boisterous drawves are seen as lesser by the haughty elves until they prove that coexistence is best or some stupid shit. It would overtake everything we know about Tolkein's view on war. People will ASSUME that the themes relate back to race. The book would need to be a truly vapid weightless pile of words for it to not be twisted into some sort of race allegory.

>>14370771
>White people almost always write about whiteness,
What is whiteness

>>14370883
>The book would need to be a truly vapid weightless pile of words for it to not be twisted into some sort of race allegory
Pretty much. You'd have to go to extraordinary lengths to avoid a story which could not be interpreted as a racial thing. It reminds me of Sidney Poitier, how he basically had to portray boring characters who were perfect and virtuous in every way, and did nothing to upset white America.

>>14370929
What white people write about. See, this game is easy

>>14370937
So only white people can understand war, rage, and death

>>14370937
Only white people can understand losing yourself in the single minded pursuit of vengeance

>>14370937
Only white people can understand the pain of temporal life

>>14370937
Only white people can understand the all consuming and unreasonable nature of love

>>14370937
Only white people can understand the futility of pride and material wealth

>>14370771
>>14370937
So dragon's and shit? Space adventures? Anything remotely fun is white? It's no wonder black books are so terrible.

>>14370937
Only white people can have understanding of the tragic nature of satan

>>14370937
Only white people can understand what's like to live in a world that rejects each and every one of your ideals

>>14370771
>a writer must reference real world events

>>14370937
Only white people know what it's like to fucking hate nihilism

>>14370937
Only white people understand that though the modern world seems to be degenerate and hateful, good can be found in the hearts of man

>>14370937
Only white people can understand the hubristic nature of creation

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>>14370949
>white experience is universal
Black people write about all those things too, but when they do you construe it as 'writing about being black' because you don't think black experience is universal in the way white experience is. You've literally proven the point you were trying to refute.

That's sort of like asking for a white author who never made reference to any of the classics of Western literature. Black culture has always been defined in opposition to the predominant white one. A black author who says nothing about race is probably not an honest one.

>>14369408
Unironically this.

>>14369397
why do niggers only shit on white people and not the black poeple that actually sold them into slavery back in africa?

>>14371007
Of course they do, in fact I love authors like dumas and baldwin. My point is that your statement was fucking dumb, attributing everything a white man ever writes to whiteness is needlessly segregation of literature

>>14371007
Which ones? What books?

>>14371026
But the bar isn't mentioning race, or incorporating race into your story. Its whether the book is ABOUT race, whether the central topic and struggle of the work is rooted in race. What famous black American authors have written a good book that wasn't like that?

>>14369397
You mean ghostwriters?

>>14371043
James Baldwin
Alice Walker
Zora Neale Hurston
Samuel Delaney
James Marlon
>>14371030
Because they're not living in Africa and white people weren't forced to buy slaves from Africans.

>>14369397
LMAO race is all they write about!

>>14371030
Can't get no gibs from Sub-Saharan Africa, that place is a shithole. No magick dirt, you see...

Black people are simply unable to individuate. They should never have been taken from their natural habitat and forced into a way of life totally alien to their nature. Human nature is not universal.

>>14370591
>"black writers whose works don't involve race as a central theme".
OP here. I'm not eloquent but that was what I was referring to.

>>14371764
based

pic-related: how these people get read

>>14369397
Dumas

>>14372161
>black U.S. authors

Its all they got breh, the sadder thing is them becoming one trick ponies when it comes to music nowadays, unlike the past

>>14369673
>DFW
Wardine be cry

Ok, I will contribute, although this thread was obviously made by an attention whore, like OP

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>>14369560
How about Africans though?

>>14371026
>That's sort of like asking for a white author who never made reference to any of the classics of Western literature

Not a high bar to pass, my dude. Most modern authors are poorly read regardless. No YA author is dropping Shakespeare allegories in their dystopian lesbian technofascist fantasy.

>>14370591
The issue isn't that all black writers only write about race, but that no black writer gets published except for the ones that write about race. There is nothing "They" like more than to fuel racial strife. .

>>14369610
>That's like saying Steinbeck lacked imagination for writing about the Great Depression, Hugo lacked imagination for writing about French revolutionaries, Homer lacked imagination for writing about the Trojan War, Tolstoy lacked imagination for writing about the Russian aristocracy, etc.
But literally all of these are true

>>14369397
That'd be a short list. Such a list would be so infinitesimally small that it may as well be nonexistent.

>>14370430
>t. 65 IQ

negro here, about to shit on all of you and write the next great american novel

>>14369397
me.