/lit/ - Literature

>>14355657
Wasted opportunity OP.

hot moms

I'm reading a dragonlance book.
I haven't read them since early teen years.
It's so pedestrian. Why aren't more failed writers turning to fantasy to make money? It must be so easy if this shit can sell millions of copies.

>>14355670
I agree, you had the opportunity to make the thread yourself again, but you didn't do so. Wasted, indeed.

>>14355713
How can you be a "failed" writer and sell millions of copies?
You need to get off your high horse, the lack of oxygen is at such heights is affecting you.

Did he do anything wrong?

remember to vote for your favorite sff in the top 100 thread

>>14355713
You seem to be unfamiliar with the concept of "work for hire". That's why.

>>14355713
yeah i love dragonlance as a teen, tried it again recently and couldn't get past the first few pages.

>>14355713
>Why aren't more failed writers turning to fantasy to make money?
What parallel universe are you from?

I'm looking for a fantasy setting with scifi "visuals" but everything technology is powered by magic and battles are fought with classic fantasy weapons and magic

Any other authors like Randi Darren or William Arand (both are the same guy anyway)

I need some truly based sci-fi.

>>14355749
Smut specifically? Or monster girls? Angry protagonists?

Anything good with asian women getting dicked? Or large breasts, whores being put in their place, etc.

I finished the Sprawl Trilogy, including Burning Chrome collection of shot stories. What do I read now to fill the void?

>>14355754
I dont care, just something different than the normal scifi and fantasy I tend to read.

>“Good morning. Sir Bearington, I presume?” Joe’s words were seemingly ignored, so he decided to get to the point. “I am here as a representative of my guild. Within three days, the majority of my guild will be joining us in the area. We have been charged by the Kingdom to bring this area back under the banner of Ardania, and I would love for us to begin our relationship on a positive note. Is there anything that we can do for the town that would allow us-”
>The mayor stood, and at full height, he was an unbelievable eight feet tall. His eyes narrowed, and he glared at Joe before speaking with a booming voice. It seemed he had a cold, though, because a few of his words seemed a bit twisted. “You walk in here and tell me you want us to be friends at the same time that you are saying that your guild is coming to take over no matter what we do? To me, it seems that you should be treated as invaders coming to destroy our way of life, our entire bearitage!”
Hmm. Sounds MIGHTY familiar.

>>14355729
>>14355744
So you're saying that's already happening?
These successful fantasy authors we have today have already failed at more legitimate literature attempts?

>>14355740
>>14355713
There was this one Dragonlance short story I read one time that really stuck with me, it was about this minotaur and his friends who took a voyage on a submarine to this island and they encountered these spooky shadow creatures that erased the people they killed from existence, including their friends' memory. In the end it's just the minotaur wondering what he's doing on a submarine and who these other people are in the diary he was writing, he doesn't know anybody with those names. This was in the same anthology that gave me a dryad fetish.

>>14355745
The Salvagers series by Alex White...kind of.

>>14355779
Pls come down before hypoxia leaves you with permanent damage.

>>14355657
>Fiction
not a fan of fiction

>>14355781
shadow wights were the only good thing from DL. man the mythology is so fucked, the gods disappear for a thousand years because of some reason i don't even remember, then they come back for a generation, then boom whoops gotta disappear again. and then they come back *again*? I didn't read the new new trilogy about the joan of arc thot.

>>14355727
You won't throw an autistic temper tantrum?

>>14355705
rec some books with hot milf mothers and incest please, i want my smol pp to become the big peepee

>>14355779
Robert Jordan, he wanted to write westerns and historical fiction set in japan.

>>14355830
>white guy writing Japan
Eewww

>>14355830
So something like Shogun as written by Robert Jordan?
Egads man!

I really hope the name of the wind is good. These reddit recommendation are really crappy.

>>14355705
Based and Oedipuspilled
>>14355805
Dancers at the End of Time

>>14355847
Why would you go to reddit for recs?

>>14355847
Name of the Wind ~IS~ *THE* reddit recommendation. I feel bad for you.

>>14355440
Most self pubbed authors are channers.
He probably saw that pasta and decided to pay it homage. It was funny in the book.

>>14355862
>taratainton
is that her name?

>>14355863
Not that anon but have you seen the kind of crap being recommended here?
Take fantasy for instance. Off all the recommendations, very few mention Sarah Mass.

Stop making these threads. It's fucking tiring to have to constantly remind the plebs that the only good fantasy is Tolkien, Peake, Dunsany and Spenser. Stop indulging in the rest. It's juvenile trash.

>>14355713
you sound like the biggest pseud

>>14355907
I don't know what's worse - discord trannies or edgy little shits.

>>14355907
>he hasnt read wolfe or guy gavriel kay
absolute pleb

>>14355800
>>/lit/thread/S14245000#p14264497

>>14355923
How is it edgy to not like Brandon Sanderson and to favour actual writers of prose like Mervyn Peake and Edmund Spenser?

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdF_pedZpXbbJMtaOzgsckqxm6I_Yot2ozXdLeULXv-fI2dJA/viewform?usp=sf_link

hey guys i'm aping the other thread and making a survey for the top 100 sff books, will keep it going for a week. anyone care? account required to prevent ballot stuffing

>>14355926
Why would I want to read second rate fantasy? I admit they're better than the rest, but you can't even compare them to the masters. Funny, calling ME a pleb, and you're the one championing lesser works.

>>14355847
Name of the wind is trash
Check these recs.

>>14355932
>writers of prose
>Edmund Spenser
>prose
anon...

>>14355881
yes, she does momcest porn
>>14355713
>>14355740
The Legend of Huma was kino tho

>>14355945
I fucking knowwwwwww. I'm just raging and typed too fast.

>>14355932
Look man, there really is no need to puff up and pretend that you are better than others.
All of us here are perfectly aware of just how ridiculous you are and that's completely okay.

What are some tropes or common storylines in scifi and fantasy that you really enjoy ?

>>14355950
It's horrible when people are so upfront with their disgusting fetishes.
You guys are almost as bad as fags.

>>14355936
You didn't even respond to the OP for more visibility.
Are you doing this on a whim and have no idea if you'll be able to do it or do you have confidence that you'll be able to follow through?

>>14355907
i love Dunsany but sometimes i just want to read some Forgotten Realms-tier fantasy books you know?
>>14355805
Speaking of low tier fantasy, The Last Mythal trilogy has a hot succubus mother as the villain

Mainstream books are dead
https://www.goodreads.com/choiceawards/best-books-2019
What trash.

>>14356006
>Why doesn't everyone else like what I like? They should. Anyone who doesn't is wrong.

Regarding Daenery's last chapter in ADWD I think she finally snapped and imagined the Khal from AGOT.

>>14355982
yeah i am doing it on a whim, but i'm also confident that i can sit back and fap for a week while the responses roll in. not sure how replying to op increases visibility but here you go

>>14355657
>>14355936
/sffg/ TOP 100 SURVEY

>>14355749
Literally just read fanfiction or shit on sites like questionable questing. Same shit same quality.

>>14355727
Are you on the spectrum?

>>14356078
No, I meant will you be able to assemble to the top 100 list yourself.

>>14356099
yeah i'm autistic enough

>>14356092
I don't see how that follows.

>>14355670
>You should have used this as the OP image.

>>14355727
>If you wanted that to be the OP image, you should have made the thread yourself again.

>>14356111
That's not really a relevant answer, but ok.

I'm almost finishing The Three Body Problem but I'm not sure if I want to read the other books, I still have 15% of the book to go through but the plot is kind of interesting, but it seems that isn't told on a interesting way. For some times I really had my expectations high but it almost never lasted very long.

How is the next book? Compared to the first.

>>14355940
>this obvious bait
classic pseud move. its obvious you havent read any of the authors youre talking about

>>14355745
Perdido Street Station
>>14355751
House of Suns
>>14355767
Altered Carbon

>>14355936
wait is this for 2019 books only, or just any sffg books?

>>14356186
any sffg book

I don't know what the fuck to read anymore. Some of my faves of late have been:
>Prince of Nothing
>Acts of Caine
>Farseer Trilogy
>Mieville's Bas Laag novels
>Red Rising but book 3 was bad
Anyone got any recommendations? No Sanderhack or Erikson ty

It's really sad to see when people are unable to help themselves despite having the resources to be able to do so.

Purple prose.

>>14355907
You forgot Bramah, Cabell, Hodgson, Eddison, and MacDonald

>>14356174
How is it obvious? I actually have. What have I said that makes you think I haven't? Fuck me, the word "bait" and "pseud" gets thrown around for no reason. I've read The Gormenghast Trilogy and most of Tolkien's work, and I've read The King of Elfland's Daughter and The Gods of Pegana... I'm slowly making my way through Spenser's Faerie Queen. Fuck off?

>>14356237
True. Good man.

>>14356239
you seem upset. that means i win.

>>14356210
Chronicles of the Black Company

>>14356331
Read em, they were ok.

>>14356210
dying earth

>>14356376
Have the extensive anthology, actually. Not a huge fan, but the works are novel for how strange they are. Very unemotional works where things just kind of robotically "happen."

I keep seeing "Three Body Problem" suggested around a lot. Is it good or reddit meme chink lit? Its a trilogy, but is the first book stand alone if I only read that one?

>>14356452
first book is not standalone, i personally didn't like it. it feels like golden age sf where characters don't matter and the ideas are the focus.

>>14356452
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/20518872-the-three-body-problem

Read the provided preview.

>>14356398
its all about these rogue characters and their shenanigans with an ancient race or city. usually theres something new with each story and i just thought it was really refreshing. if you're looking for long term with story with emotion, maybe hyperion or assassin's apprentice?

Honest opinions of The Second Apocalypse series? I've been thinking of giving the books a read

>>14355770
Edmund Hughes (newer series are better than his older ones)
Celestine chronicles
Daniel black
Heartstone saga

>>14356537
Probably my second favorite series of all time.

Any good books that are horror-scifi or horror-fantasy? Most books of these two genres usually are not horror or scary in nature. Sure they have spooky parts or some dark themes but nothing scifi or fantasy with a very strong spook or horror factor to it. If you have Dead Space on Xbox or PC then that would be a good example of what im looking for. Or a fantasy setting where instead of some ancient evil threatens the land where armies and wizards have to fight it, its some sort of biological threat.

Im just tired of the same thing over and over again. I do enjoy it but something new would be nice.

>>14354088
Name of the book.

>>14356559
Revelation Space, Borne

I'll try posting this here one more time and then I'm giving up. I'm looking for any good series about humans being replaced over time by a transhuman, post-human, or human-like successor. And please, for the love of God, nothing like Wraeththu, I'm not in this for pseudo-homosexual romance, I'm in this for species supremacy and creepy, predatory interspecies dynamics.

Pic sort of related. Definitely doesn't have the vibe I'm going for, but the disturbing reality is there underneath the facade.

Traitor's Blade by Sebastien De Castell, anyone familiar with this book? I was thinking of buying it

Just finishing up Dune. Fucking loved. Want something with space exploration. Hopefully humans.

>>14356649
>Revelation Space, Borne
Revelation Space looks nice, thanks fren. Typing Borne gave me nothing except the Borne movies with Matt Damo though.

>>14356746
borne by jeff vandermeer. goodreads is pretty popular/useful for looking up books.

>>14356694
It’s pretty ok. If you like the three musketeers you’ll like this, even if the later books do get a bit predictable.

>>14356668
Childhood's End
Schismatrix
Limbo by Bernard Wolfe

>>14356668
Diaspora, Saturn's Children

in both the replacement just happens, there's not a creepy transition period

>>14356837
>>14356860
Schismatrix and Diaspora sound pretty good but not really what I'm looking for. I'm beginning to suspect there's nothing like what I'm looking for.

>>14356716
What do you mean exactly by space exploration?

>>14356452
It's gets recommended because the chinks seems to be the only authors writing (good) hard SF right now.

>>14356559
>scary horror fantasy or science fiction

Does not exist

>>14357062
Any other good stuff by asians in fantasy or scifi?

>>14357082
Liu Cixin, Hang Song and Wang Jinkang are the most popular.

>>14355657

Is there any good chinese/japanese fantasy? As in, written by someone who is chinese/hjapanese

>>14357336
no

>>14356496
Hey bro I bought Imperion at the bookstore. Hope it's good or I'll complain on /lit/ that some anon misled me.

>>14355730
raised shitty sons

/sffg/, how can you be okay with all the poltardation that's infected this place? It's exhausting trying to live alongside "people" who are okay with children in cages for crimes they didn't commit and pretending everything's still normal

>>14357919
Honestly I'm pretty sure 90% of the political posts in the last few generals—including this one I'm replying to—are just one dude arguing with himself in an attempt to bait.

rec on difficult high brow sci-fi that is weird enough that it inst labelled sci-fi?

>>14356172
The second two are a lot better imo

>>14357103
last two authors are not on amazon, cant find anything when I search them

>>14356121
I'll take that as a yes. Figures.

>>14355657
Read Mark Lawrence

Why I cant make good protagonist? Its like the fuckers are blank state of blandness meanwhile I can write side characters like its nothing

>>14357919
This is low quality bait. Have a pity (you).

>>14357611
hyperion? i hope you enjoy it. its actually really good. i never read the sequels though, but that one was good just by itself.

>>14358303
most protagonists ARE blank slates because it helps any reader attach to them. If you want an interesting MC, find a side character you created that you want to root for and build out from there

>>14358295
>prince of thorns
>prince of fools
>holy sister

which trilogy should I pick up first

>>14356984
It's an anime, but Texhnolyze?

>>14358338
Huuuh, you shouldnt read prince of fools before prince of thorns. I find prince of thorns better than Red sister but you can see how lawrence has improved as a writer on red sister so going from red sister to prince of thorns might be a little jarring.

So either go from Prince of Thorns to Prince of Fools to Red Sister or Red Sister to Prince of Thorns to Fools

>>14358325
it's not bait, I just don't even need to make an effort to point out how fucked up this all is. I can't even register these people as "people" anymore because I don't understand how a human being could be okay with any of this.

>>14358192
Maybe something like gravity's rainbow

>>14358349
>Texhnolyze
I remember this being really good.

>>14358351
Yeah ill do that, ill read thorns then fool then sister trilogies

>>14357048
Like humans exploring space. Maybe trying to find life or just exploring planets and cruising in a space ship. Something realistic would be nice

>>14358371
Neato bro, post updates when you are done

Jorg might grab you the wrong way at first but keep pushing, things that are happening are not due to what one thinks at first

>thought it would be slice of life comedy
>turns into romance

Dropped

>>14358338
Isnt Lawrence a cuck? I read his Thorns trilogy is edgy teen gridmark junk and his Sister series full of MUH STRONK WOMYN stuff.

>>14358351
also for you, forgo to @ you brot>>14358351

>>14358540
>>14358547
>>14358351
fuck me

>>14358551
I dont know man, are you gonna listen to the man with the buzzwords or are you actually gonna form your own fucking opinion

>>14358540
How does that makes him a cuck

>>14356668
All tomorrows is sorta like that, but more of what humanity could become in a distant future. The perspective is of an alien researcher billions of years after the humanoid species disappearance.

>>14357919
>It's exhausting trying to live alongside "people" who are okay with children in cages for crimes they didn't commit and pretending everything's still normal
What is wrong with detaining criminals?
Should the children just be allowed to rot somewhere in their desert while their parents are detained for their crimes?

Don't be a criminal, don't get punished.

>>14357919
>>14358355
It must be tough having to live in a country that actually enforces its laws, huh?

>>14358355
>I can't even register these people as "people" anymore
I imagine they feel the same way about you, anon.

I'm pretty sure I have shit taste in books. Is that wrong? Should I try to improve what I read?

>>14355751
picked this up totally randomly and i was amazed at how fucking based it was. not the biggest brain read but honestly not the dumbest either, I recall one of the officers listening to his LT and just thinking about her titties and not actually hearing anything she was saying.

Fuck this cuck author and his shitty cuck ass books along with his stupid pirate books. This is literally shit straight out of ntr porn, chad pirate tries to rape and seduce the female pov character who is also the love interest of our male pov character. Luckily, he fails, despite our female pov being wetter then a waterfall at the thought of fucking this guy. No doubt due to the editor reigning in the author's cuck fantasies. But wait it gets better, in the pirate fag sequels we get the male pov's school bully, who is hot as fuck, end up fucking the brains out of the pirate chad. To make matters it turns out that pirate chad is a fucking idiot and only succeeding in life due to his diviner brother. Fucker literally made the sociopathic bull a literal retard who would get stomped by the male pov character. Literally what kind of stupid fetish is this, a bull who you can beat up? This is some advanced cuckery faggotry.

I'm re-reading the Old Man's War stuff from the beginning before catching up on the stuff I haven't read yet and it's a fucking slog. Even Neal Asher's knockoff of the Culture series is better than this schlock. I remember enjoying this when I was a kid, but now it's just horrible. Is this just early-series oddness, does it get better deeper in? Should I push on?

I just finished Ghost Brigade and I don't know if I have the will to go on.

When reading fantasy books, does anyone else visualize the characters as anthropomorphic animals or is that just me?

Reminder: Purpose prose is perfectly fine as long as the author acknowledges his prose is purple and admits he simply enjoys writing that way.

>>14359259
It doesn't get any better. Don't torture yourself over it, just find something else to read.

>>14356559
>Any good books that are horror-scifi
Ship of Fools by Richard Paul Russo is pretty good although the ending may feel somewhat unsatisfactory if you expect to have all your questions resolved by the end of the book.

>>14358355
Third worlders and shitskins are perfectly fine with their children being locked into cages because they see how great that works as a lever for enabling illegal immigration with weak shortsighted fools like you. People like you are the reason children are sold and trafficked all over Middle and South America and Africa for easier access to the US and softer treatment

I need more like pic related, not necessarily relating to anarchism. Any suggestions?

I'm aware that Elric of Melniboné is often considered a classic by many, but is it actually worth reading?

>>14360550

I enjoyed the books plus they're not even that long, so they won't take much of your time.

Picture The Witcher if Geralt was even more of a gigantic asshole than he already is and didn't give a single fuck about anyone or anything.

>>14358781
justify putting children in cages for crimes they didn't commit. do it with reasons other than "they're doing it too"

>>14359777
that's not a justification retard. if anything, you're destroying your own inbred argument by admitting you're no better than they are

grow some fucking self-awareness, an a fucking conscience while you're at it

Dehumanization is never the correct course.

Sold 95% of my books and went Ebook but always have pangs of regret. Misses has hundreds of books so I don't really need to buy them. Still I almost purchased Leviathan Wakes cos the series looks nice in paperback. I read the book about 70% before giving up but I do like the show. Going to give it another go after I finish Rama.

>>14360815
If it's so aggravating, why not fuck off back to plebbit? Or discord if you're a tranny.

>>14360917
It's the best, time tested method.

>>14360931
What im doing is keeping the first book of every series, special editions, nice/rare covers, gifts, folios and other boxed stuff, things I really love. The rest is out. Things im getting rid of are going on the kindle. Future purchases will be limited to the above, the rest are ebooks. Everything downloaded.

Im still hesitant but I know I dont have the space for physical anymore. I have hit the limit.

Why the fuck is every single fantasy novel autistic politics or destiny quests in a vaguely medieval setting?

Where's the FANTASY? The floating spire cities? The fishing villages built atop migrating giant hermit crabs? The red sea littered with the swords and corpses of giants? The city of blind folk who ritualistically gouge their eyes out to avoid seeing the eldritch horrors living on their streets?

Give me HIGH CONCEPT fantasy.

>>14360994

Check out Mieville, Swanwick, VanDerMeer and Tim Powers' work.

>>14360994
There's a whole genre for that, it's called sci-fi

>>14361056

it's actually called New Weird but nvm, the distinction between fantasy and sci-fi is made up marketing bullshit anyway

>>14360994
Every fantasy published before the 80s has that

>>14361097
What the fuck happened, bros?

Lying Liars & The Lies They Tell To The Gullible

>>14359055
most people who read modern fantasy are women and women love cuckoldry. not saying that the author isn't a cuck but probably the editor told him to put that.

>>14359055
It teaches an important lesson. All women are whores, even the ones you like.

>>14359278
i visualize all the female characters as hot milfs

>>14360994
NK Jemisin

>>14361391

>>14361391
>Nigger King Jemisin
No thanks

>>14361253
based

>>14361410
>>14361412
Okay then. Miss out on good fantasy cause ur bigoted. Your problem

>>14361432

>>14361253
I do this. To help with the process I open some mspaint and put up pictures of random artwork of people with the character names. Hyper alpha white males for males and very attractive sexy white and asian women for the women. Characters where its noted once or twice on their looks I ignore but plot specific features etc including skin color I do honor.

>>14358540
Just read the book and form your own opinion man, this board told me for years that lawrence was a meme but one day I found myself with the book and I really liked it. I would take /lit/ advice more on suggestion than detractions

>>14360954
why are YOU okay with this? do you legitimately think this is just, or do you know its wrong and just not care?

Asking again, got a couple suggestions and want some more.

Any Sci-Fi or Fantasy books with a heavy horror/supernatrual theme to it? Its usually either alien invasion or ancient evil which is fine but I want something new and unique. Biohazard contagion type thing in a fantasy setting with court wizards trying to figure out what the hell is going on. Or a good horror set in space on a ship like the Dead Space game if you are familiar with it (engineering ship responds to SOS call of a mining ship, all creq dead, weird creatures all over it, humans getting brainwashed or killed by undead and evil alien artifact, government trying to kill everyone off) Would make a great novel honestly.

I think horror scifi would be more common than horror fantasy.

>>14361391
>Read a bit of the book on the amazon page
>It's in pseudo-second person

What is your top 3 Science Fiction and Fantasy? Im starting out from being mainly a Non-Fiction reader. So I figured ill see what you guys personally loved and start from there. I do not know what I would like. Im not too picky with other things though like music, food, and so on.

>>14361685
It's only part of the book. The majority is in 1st and 3rd person but there's a valid reason for the 2nd person section.

>>14361686
Prepare to be trolled.

>>14361686
Book of the New Sun
Book of the Long Sun
Book of the Short Sun

>>14361686
Read Bakker

>>14361686
https://www.npr.org/2011/08/11/139085843/your-picks-top-100-science-fiction-fantasy-books

>>14361686
Not good with top lists. Here are three I enjoy.
Jack Vance, The Dying Earth
Roger Zelanzy, Damnation Alley
Pic Related :3

>>14361754
Am I a furry for wanting to fuck that cat?

>>14361770
Unfortunately yes

>>14361754
why are there so many catgirls in sff?

>>14361816
Search your feelings. You know the answer.

I need something mindblowing like The Quantum Thief series and maybe Solaris, although I wasn't the largest fan of Solaris, but I like the out-there concept.

Any suggestions?

>>14360406
go read all of leguin

What's the last good sf/f book you read that wasn't a classic or /lit/core?

>>14360406
Joanna Russ, James Tiptree jr and Where Late the Sweet Birds Sang by Kate Wilhem

>>14360550
Yeah it's kino

>>14361686
Dragonlance Chronicles
Dragonlance Legends
The Death Gate Cycle

>>14361579
Please don't get yourself worked up in self righteous frenzy.

>>14361894
If QT blew your mind you could go with pretty much anything.

>>14362115
this isn't self-righteousness. not caging children is basic decency. how do you not understand this?

>>14361754
>>14361816
>>14361836
More books with cat girls, please.

>>14362141
Just calm down man. Deep breathes.
Whenever you have an attack like this, just remember that trolling is supposed to be subtle.

What is with self published books and food porn? Almost every self pubbed book I read recently had people orgasming over putting protein and fluids into their gullet.

>>14362312
I don't read it but my first guess would be anime influence.
Japs love praising their own food or talking about food in general in their media. This goes as far as Isekai protagonists getting lauded as genius because the manage to whip some mayonegg together and bake some fucking potato.
As someone who likes cooking and different food ideas this is interesting at first but most is rather lacking in execution.

>>14362312
maybe they read game of thrones and are aping George's 5 chapters of describing food per book

>>14362085
how did you feel about death gate cycle turning into a religious tract? on my first read as a kid i didn't notice the religious themes until book 4, which was also when the series went downhill. reread book 3 and religion was smacking me in the face there.

Is it all right to read trashy/self published/Amazon books if you enjoy them? Or does it only count as true /lit/ when it's intellectual rather than escapist?

>>14362663
Reading is reading and snobs will be snobs. Don't let other people tell you what you can and cannot enjoy. Especially /lit/.

(Yes, I am aware of my hypocrisy, thank you.)

>>14362663
>Is it all right to read trashy/self published/Amazon books if you enjoy them?
Why are you asking a dumb question like this? Read what you enjoy.

>>14362663
They are the unfiltered pulse of the moment, like indie music or indie film, before both got bought out and turned into corporate genres. It's okay to just enjoy them, but you might want to keep in mind that they're also telling you about the times you live in in a way that published fare doesn't, like 4chan shitposts tell you about the times you live in in a way the New York Times doesn't.

Might as well ask in this thread.
Any good cop dramas in weird settings? can be cyberpunk, supernatural or even fantasy if there is such an equivalent.
I think Pratchett had a book like that.

>>14362855
Don't be such a bitch nigga and read the real thing.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18956.Homicide

>>14362891
>From the creator of HBO's The Wire

sold

>>14362663
You have every right to enjoy what you enjoy and no one should ever tell you that you're wrong for having a taste.
It's only problematic when people disingenuously praise garbage for having great literary merit. Wastes people's time when they dig through it for something that isn't there and it reflects poorly on the stories themselves because they're not being shared for their own worth to people who might love them for the same reasons lit buffs might hate it.

>>14362663
Yes. I'll take it one step further. I love reading trashy, cringy fanfics. The cringier the better.

>>14363195
reading trash is possibly the single BEST motivator to write yourself

>>14362891
Cringe

I’m about to read pic related, what am I in for?

>>14363277
Weirdly stilted dialogue and asinine scenarios where all of the characters are one-dimensional robots.
But it's also fun.

>>14363290
You got any better recs? I’m looking for some literary fantasy after reading lotr, disc world and earthsea.

>>14363290
Yep, I can see how this would inspire d&d, this describes the averag

>>14362182
The Keys to Paradise

>>14363304
First off, Discworld isn't particularly literary. Second, I wouldn't say don't ready Dying Earth, I'm just telling you what you'll get out of it. It's still fascinating and formative for the genre as a whole.

>>14363386
Discworld isn’t literary, but it’s leagues above most of the pulpy stuff coming out today, it was very self aware.

>>14363290
It's not stilted, it's mannered. If you catch the rhythm it's hilarious.

>>14363277
A good time, and our bro Chun. Not that you could avoid him anyway.

>>14362607
Was Margaret Weis the Brandon Sanderson of the 90s?

>>14363394
See, when I read it I wasn't quite sure whether the humor behind it was intentional or not.

>>14363531
I always recommend against Dying Earth for a first Vance. It's sententious title invites an equally sententious reading but so often in all his works he's just winking at you.

>>14363612
What would you suggest starting with?

>akshutally sweaty
>your "grow a shitzillion super soldiers and set up a honey pot" plan is a joke and you lost. lmao you retard
>also sup im an anime character and the richest guy who ever lived and im a gundam now. See you in the next book

i hate this shit

>>14363277
a fucking great time. dont listen to these people. vance would be considered a master of prose if he was from europe. but instead he's an american author who wrote sci fi and fantasy. he's literally /our/ guy

>>14363531
It absolutely is intentional. Half of his reputation rests on being a master of dry, ironic humor.

>>14355657
does malazan have a good story?

Any books about killing nazis?

is it really fucking necessary to mention that rand is tall and that he feels short in presence of moraine and egwene or some other strong wamen in every fucking paragraph

>>14365959

If these things are already bothering you as early as boom two I'd advise you stop reading now because books 8-9-10 will crush your sanity.

So, lads. I write for a living--but it's all erotica. It's a good stepping stone to fantasy, at least, since I've had to write something like over 500,000 words in 8 months, so I'm definitely flexing my writerly muscles.

That being said, I feel like I'm going to make less money if I ever take the dive into fantasy fiction. Is there a place for understanding the market? It's discouraging to see "successful" fantasy along the lines of Rothfuss and Sanderson, and then novels with original concepts being relegated to the schlocky writing of young adult fiction.

Is there room for actually enjoyable fantasy anymore? Stuff that isn't made for boys of soi?

>>14362855

>>14366336
Just write erotic fantasy. It will be appealing to the people you are already writing for and can attract fantasyfags.

>my younger cousin is a weeb who makes me watch anime with her
>yesterday she showed up with a stack of light novels telling me to read them
Wish me luck, /sffg/.

>>14366422
In addition to being absolute fucking garbage, light novels are usually poorly translated from already-poor source material.

>>14366422
> she wants to fuck

>>14366446
Stop it.

>>14366422
Now I actually want to know if it's wrong to pick up girls in a dungeon or not!

>>14366422
Don't lie. We know those are your books and not your "cousin's"

>read 76 books this year including a bunch of absolutely incredible ones
>the highest Goodreads rated book I've read this year is the worst entry in a self-pub series

so any SciFi left that has not been infested with Anti-white male, pro feminazi or environment crap?
I think its hopeless when even Frank Miller went woke.
https://boundingintocomics.com/2019/12/11/climate-crisis-activist-greta-thunberg-appears-in-dc-comics-and-frank-millers-dark-knight-returns-the-golden-child/

>>14366533

You can always read John C. Wright, he looks (and presumably writes) like one of your kind. Alternatively, you could also die mad about it.

>>14366550
>ike one of your kind
so what kind are you?

>>14366533
The brief answer is no, not really

>>14366533
Well speculating on the environment is science related. I don't see why that is a problem

>>14366578
Science based speculation is one thing
Leftist driven ideology is another
An asteroid impact, the 3rd WW or an alien invasion are all more likely to kill us than global warming. But they cant be ideologized and monetized as easily.

>>14366533
>wakanda power fantasies about genderqueer lesbians on one side
>larry correia in the other

just read the classics

>>14366533
Most artists are lefties relative to their time. Nothing new about this.

>>14366595
>being this retarded

world destroying asteroids are astronomically rare events. we know this because we haven't been wiped out by one in a few million years. alien civilizations are likely, but despite centuries of observation we have yet to spot conclusive evidence of complex life anywhere in our galactic neighborhood.

in contrast, catastrophic climate changes have happened numerous times in human history, and right now, our projected climate change is way above any natural shif that we've seen before.

you're an idiot for letting political rhetoric and corporate propaganda blind you to universal scientific consensus, especially when our civilization's life is on the fucking line

/sffg/, after 2.5 months of work and 4.5 years of angst i finished the first half of my book last night.

im debating whether to go back and edit or keep moving. there's a lot of refinement I need to do to the characters, plot and aesthetics, but i don't want to sped too long holding up my progress

>>14366464
she said playfully, after being kissed on the lips, inviting further affection

>>14366698
>especially when our civilization's life is on the fucking line
lol

why do I bother arguing with CE imbeciles who just want to fuck things up because they find it funny?

>>14366422
Is having a cute girl on the cover all it takes to sell books? How succcessful would I be if I were to self publish garbage but paid decent artists to do the covers?

>>14367022
because you're retarded enough to think you're on some civilization-wide moral crusade

>>14367027
what the fuck am I supposed to do? the world's falling apart and the only people trying to fix it are so painfully naive they think they can negotiate with sociopaths. there's no solution that doesn't involve mass executions, and the only people i can even vent that to withou becoming a pariah are the people who deserve to be executed!

>>14366422
Don't know about the others but "Do you Love your Mom..." is Based and mommypilled

>>14367117
Stop worrying about shit you don't have any control over. Corporations feed you information on a continual basis to make you worry and consume their products. Even better if they can make you feel your life is at stake and give you an excuse for self-righteousness. Stop reading the news for a while and deal with problems that are within your actual purview, like your family relations, which you're likely neglecting.

Oops. Better late than never!

>>14367117
Take it somewhere that isn’t sffg. Focus on your own mental stability first. You are unhinged

>>14367141
>mommy40.jpg

Curious to see mommy1.jpg - mommy39.jpg.

>>14367219
oh, like your rants about killing black people and jews are stable pissbaby

>>14355730
dying

>>14367026
>Is having a cute girl on the cover all it takes to sell books?

No. Don't get me wrong, those things are products, not works of art. You need little literary skill to write them. It doesn't mean they are easy to make. You need the skill to identify what consumers want, which is extremely specific and a constantly moving target, and how to write it in a way attractive to the audience. Those skills are rare enough that most light novels don't sell.

>>14367269
Should have left his shitty soul-less son to die

>>14366533
>Frank Miller went woke.

I'm getting old. I still recall when he was being called a nazi.

>>14358327
Fall of hyperion is good, last 2 are like a different series. Hyperion is the best however and can standalone.

>>14367227
They are just pics about cute moms doing stuff

>>14366533
frank miller hasn't written anything good since the late 90s, coke and whores really fucked him up

>>14362947
Be sure to check out the Homicide: Life on the Street based on that book.
It has my niggaz Frank Pembelton and Tim Bayliss.

>>14363269
You better go on before I lose my composure out this bitch.

>>14366698
Go away Greta.

>>14367117
Shieeeet nigga, I already told you trolling is supposed to be subtle.

>>14367313
This is what helicopter parenting does.

I just finished ruth of the new sun and towards the end I completely lost track of what was happening.
So a actual physical sun zoomed into the urth and replaced the old and some randoms that appeared in the last 2 chapters become the pantheon of gods for the new urth or something?

Can someone please give a brainlet summary of what happened?

>>14367433
I don't think that being spoon fed various interpretations by anons is the right course of action here.
These kind of books reward repeated readings.
So go forth dazed and confused and reread it again in a couple of years, so you can be amazed at all the shit you missed.

>>14355936
If BOTNS isn't #1 I will know this is fake
Spam this in every thread

>>14367496
I just worry I'll forget a lot by the time I feel like re-reading the series.

I welcome a climate disaster if it means mommyfags will be purged.

>>14367524
That's also part of the appeal.
A fresh, new perspective by a wiser and hopefully better read you.

>>14367535
Nah this whole climate circus will blow over soon.
They already tried to pull the same shit in 1992 and no one gave a shit.
Same place, same retarded message, different girl.

>>14367433
Surface level, Severian is literally the white fountain zooming across space and becomes the new sun. There's a new pantheon of God's centered around the survivors of the flood with Severian as the Sleeper. You might be able to infer a bit more about what is going on by rereading Doctor Talos' play.

>>14355751
Radix

>>14356469
>it feels like golden age sf where characters don't matter and the ideas are the focus.
WOW, that's the only thing I hated about Foundation. They just jumped from character to character even though the premise was good. Why did ye olde sciefieh writers do this?

>>14356716
Dune or the whole 6 books?

Yeah dune is fucking great. My favorite book series of all time after BotNS. I wish there were more series out there with such memorable characters.

>>14367334
9/11 also drove him insane

>>14367628
Wow that is bad.

Any sff books with a cabal of fashionable magic assassins doing magic assassiny counter-political stuff? Something character-driven even if the plot is thin, even if it's a bit pulpy.
I specifically mentioned magic because I want magic to play a role in the world. I HATE modern realistic low fantasy.

>>14361686
The Hobbit
The Lord of the Rings
The Silmarillion

>>14367756
Alternatively any books with goblins and goblinoids? Not LOTR or any Warcraft books. Some stand alone fantasy series / books in which goblin creatures are featured / play a role in.

>>14367610
Because characters are unimportant. Read Fantasy if that's what you want. SciFi with good characters is just space fantasy.

>>14367871
>scifi with good characters can't be good scifi

>>14367871
Also I'd argue that the best Foundation story was the Mule's, which was practically carried by the character of the Mule.

>>14367574
Based Attanasio poster
>>14367756
Nightrunner series and Vlad Taltos.

>>14365959
i find it even worse when everyone refuses to speak up whenever someone "glares" or "gives someone a look". every woman in this book has an obsession with staring down people every time they talk. its literally every fucking conversation. not to mention all the braid tugging, skirt smoothing and how they FEEL about each other. its so fucking boring

>>14368515
Your feelings are boring as well. Stop posting them.

Trying to remember the title of a book. Its got an alein world populated by telepathic dogs and the laws of physics change in different parts of the universe. Can anyone help

>But I'll state 2 major cons that I especially feel regretful. One is that the author never mention what's the name of the main character, you have to figure out their names through speeches over multiple chapters, this one I really can't accept because it's troubling me a lot.

Love reading autistic reviews

>>14369236
a fire upon the deep (book 1), possibly the sequel too (book 3)

>>14369083
am i wrong though?

>>14369238
Sounds really annoying to not have any indication who is speaking except when they are addressed by name, especially if there are several speaking.

I'm exhausted as fuck, may I get some action-heavy military sf recommendations? The pulpier the better, the kind I'm going to regret wasting time on after a few days of good sleep.

>>14369305
Could be written in the first person, or one of those cases where a character is referred to by a title rather than their actual name.

>>14360994
>The fishing villages built atop migrating giant hermit crabs?
Quite literally done by Sanderson. Though only as a part of a brief side story.

>>14369540
Powder mage

>>14355907
You forgot Wolfe.

>>14369601
Perfect. God bless you, anon.

>>14369540
Armor, Starship Troopers, Terms of Enlistment, and I’m told the Spiral Wars series is good, but the first book never really hooked me.

B V Larson! For fleet combat, Star Force. For grunts, Undying Mercenaries. The uniting thread is man vs the Man, bolstered by good supporting characters who pursue their own interests or the hero's, as suits them at the time. Both series are fun popcorn stuff but still in their own gear.

>>14363637
Lyonesse, maybe, is straight across home plate but some people might not catch the unique tone since it's so buried in a traditional form. I loved Araminta Station but it has a similar problem -- too "straight" while also being hilarious. It's hard to say because at one point I just "caught it" and now I want others to see through that lens and share the experience but I don't really know what struck the light. But Dying Earth, because of its title and setting, I think has the best chance to wrong foot newcomers. At least until you get to Cugel, and who can resist him.

>>14369715
oops. For >>14369540

What are some good fantasy novels with submissive women and dominant men other than Conan and Gor?

>>14369643
Spiral Wars sounds like a series that could go either way, and Terms of Enlistment sounds exactly like the kind of brainless never-ending pulp I'm looking for.

>>14369715
I see he has a recurring theme with aliens and magical races forcing humanity into submission. But from reading only the first book's blurb I never would have figured that Star Force was the one about fleet combat.

Thanks lads. I'll copy these down, this will last me a decade of end of year crunch ptsd.

>>14369825
The Bible

Bump Limit

>>14367313

>>14367848
I assume you've already read The Goblin Emperor?

NEW THREAD
>>14370423
NEW THREAD