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14345867 No.14345867 [Reply] [Original]

Is there a any philosopher, a book that- gives a critical argument of whether a debate is useful to change one's mind in topic, correcting our way to truth - or not?

Do you think debate is pure pageantry?

>> No.14345889
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pic related, kinda

>> No.14345902

>>14345889
most based man living

>> No.14345961

>>14345889
I didn't read his first literature, but I know his theory is majorly dependent on rationality. What about when a person is irrational? How we make a distinction between rational and irrational? Maybe Derrida's deconstruction is unironically criticizing him?

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>>14345867
>debate is pure pageantry
You're thinking ideologically. Believe it or not, debate has the potential to really improve your life if you can stop being offended by different viewpoints and being so resistant to learning and growing up.

>> No.14346194

>>14345867
Plato's Socrates dialogs. The sopists Socrates hates so much are basically debaters. And the answer is no. Debate is a needless formality and is no way conducive to reaching the truth of an issue. Two or more parties investigating the truth of a claim should be open to all possibilities and examine them all thoroughly and fairly. Artificially or pre-emptively taking a side and then trying to argue for it regardless of its actual merits is a stupidly inefficient way of approaching the issue.

>> No.14346232

>>14346097
Nothing but platitdues... Why even post?

>> No.14346482

>>14345867

People are influenced by other people. If a person seems like they know what they're talking about, lives according to their own principles and can present their vision convincingly in public, then others will follow them. Debates may provide a stage for this to happen, but the actual point counter point of the debate is irrelevant. It's just a stage for the performers to present, to exude aura, to signal, to project a charisma which others will tune into receive and then swallow the contents of the message. But it's the person which is most important.

>> No.14346850

>>14345902
not for long

>> No.14346855

>>14345867
Not at all
Proof : Russell was a good debater

>> No.14346860

>>14345867
Not the person you are arguing with, that will never happen. Debate is to change the minds of people who are listening.

Thats why public debates are the best

>> No.14346863

>>14346855
I mean the first one. Second one is yes, but it can be a little helpful at setting your mind like >>14346097 propose

>> No.14346872

>>14346860
But that means a person good at debate and nothing else can change other public's mind to what the person says, making many people fall into a way of falsity. What about that

>> No.14346887

>>14345867
I'll do it in a sentence:
Nihilism, total and utter loss of feeling there is a purpose in life, is because we view life through the imagined lens of a camera that de-subjectivizes everything, and fills us with dead sensations, so we don't feel there is anything true, real, or dead, so we feel life's meaningless because of a trick in perspective.

>> No.14346888

>>14345867
Literally me.

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>>14346872
Yep. And if you upload videos of said debates and use really clickbait titles, you give watchers the impression of who has won the debate already before its even started, making them biased while watching the debate itself

>> No.14346940

>>14346888
how

>> No.14346946

>>14346888
Oh
That pic
ok