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He did not. Christ did not send the demons to to the swine, nor were they actually swine. By this exposition, the Savior attempted to demonstrate the value of a Christian. The "swine", as He has declared on other occasion (Matthew 7:6), represents the unclean persons who rejected His message, it being truth itself. The passage demonstrates how valuable of prey Christ's children are to the devil. Satan values the damnation a single 1 Christian more than 2000 infidels. The closer the union with God, the more ferocious the struggle.

>>14345138
probably the same reason the Juden dont allow pork

one problem more devoted Christians will face is that anytime something unpleasant comes up in the Bible, and is explained away with some sort of interpretive trick (swine isnt actually pigs, swine meant infidels), it opens the doors to any and all interpretations.
and who is to say which interpretation is correct?

>>14345231
i think that poster was joking

>>14345231
>and who is to say which interpretation is correct?
it's called magisterium of the Catholic Church

>>14345204
>The closer the union with God, the more ferocious the struggle.
I'd like to think that's evidence that I have grown closer to God, but I also realize that could just be diabolical disorientation and I get closer and closer to the lake of fire everyday instead.

Christians shouldn't eat pork.

>>14345242
Child rapists.

>>14345235
>i think that poster was joking
Retard wojak.jpg

To humiliate the demons

>>14345138
This was an instance of misinterpretation by superstitious people, according to Urantia.

151:6.5.Jesus, looking down upon the man crouching like an animal at his feet, reached down and, taking him by the hand, stood him up and said to him: "Amos, you are not possessed of a devil; you have already heard the good news that you are a son of God. I command you to come out of this spell." And when Amos heard Jesus speak these words, there occurred such a transformation in his intellect that he was immediately restored to his right mind and the normal control of his emotions. By this time a considerable crowd had assembled from the near-by village, and these people, augmented by the swine herders from the highland above them, were astonished to see the lunatic sitting with Jesus and his followers, in possession of his right mind and freely conversing with them.

151:6.6.As the swine herders rushed into the village to spread the news of the taming of the lunatic, the dogs charged upon a small and untended herd of about thirty swine and drove most of them over a precipice into the sea. And it was this incidental occurrence, in connection with the presence of Jesus and the supposed miraculous curing of the lunatic, that gave origin to the legend that Jesus had cured Amos by casting a legion of devils out of him, and that these devils had entered into the herd of swine, causing them forthwith to rush headlong to their destruction in the sea below. Before the day was over, this episode was published abroad by the swine tenders, and the whole village believed it. Amos most certainly believed this story; he saw the swine tumbling over the brow of the hill shortly after his troubled mind had quieted down, and he always believed that they carried with them the very evil spirits which had so long tormented and afflicted him. And this had a good deal to do with the permanency of his cure. It is equally true that all of Jesus' apostles (save Thomas) believed that the episode of the swine was directly connected with the cure of Amos.

>>14345231
>one problem more devoted Christians will face is that anytime something unpleasant comes up in the Bible, and is explained away with some sort of interpretive trick (swine isnt actually pigs, swine meant infidels),
But that's even more unpleasant.

so that Doesty could reference it in Demons

>>14345266
based. that was a great book

>>14345252
retard

>>14345204
The sea also represents the tempest of sin that the sinner willingly throws himself into.

>>14345231
there is established exegesis method within theology, that's how interpretations are accepted and agreed upon. When you go away from that you end up with the mislead and the ignorant and the extremist

>>14345290
schisms and splintering will still occur. it seems, a significant portion of whether a particular interpretation is taken seriously or not is partially based on how many people take it seriously.
Martin Luther and his tiny band of followers were probably called mislead when he first started out. now, not so much anymore.

>>14345138
He accidentally scared them and they died so they made up a story about "dude they totally had evil spirits in them and killed themselves"

>>14345307
Anyone who commits sin and remains in the state of sin does indeed kill themselves in it.

Whenever a thread like this appears I always go straight to Scripture. Legion begged not to be sent out to some distant place (possibly interpreted as the cosmos or a deepness of hell), and instead they asked to be sent into a herd two thousand pigs, which were considered unclean by the Jews. The sea represented death and chaos to the ancient Jews, so that says a few things that are tangential to this conversation.

>>14345342
yeah but then they just instantly killed themselves once they got put in the pigs, why couldn't Jesus just free them, it's not like he trapped them in the pigs since they got out straight away

>>14345342
The swine represents the sinner, who is unclean to Christ. The sea represents sin.

>>14345231
>probably the same reason the Juden dont allow pork
Tammuzian harvest sacrifice?

>>14345360
they don't represent anything, the demons literally speak to Jesus and ask him if he's come to torment them ahead of the promised time, Jesus just hated pigs and was punishing the local jews who were raising them against the law

>>14345355
>yeah but then they just instantly killed themselves once they got put in the pigs
It does not say "instantly", and the duration it took is immaterial. God does not count the days of a man but what he does in his days.
>why couldn't Jesus just free them
God does not abandon the sinner unless they first abandon him. Having lost the divine grace, they opened the doors of their heart to the devil and plunged themselves to their death by going after sin (falling into the sea), instead of the truth.
>>14345371
>they don't represent anything dude, even though Christ spoke in parables, it was literal and he hated pigs n sheeeit
The absolute state of protestants.

>>14345302
Try not to look at these things with any subjectivity, and yes the consensus of opinion does matter but it always goes back to the scholarly method and logic.
Some of the things Luther protested are now Catholic.

>>14345138
Because animals are worthless in God's eyes.

Why would he not ?

>>14345138
He also killed more people than Satan because muh jealousy. God is a faggot.

Based professional exorcist
/thread

>>14345260
This is why Urantia sucks. It denies that the miracle happened and rewrites everything. It's Quran-levels of "God's immediate followers got everything wrong." Any revelation that claims this has no epistemological supremacy over its opponents.

>>14345266
its about sinners

>>14345246
Same

>>14345204
imagine being a priest that posts on /lit/

>>14345138
because veganism is satanic

The demons killed the pigs

>>14345342
sounds like a demonstration of the corrupting power of sin on the works of man. legion get a second chance at existing and immediately (and probably unintentionally) destroy themselves. a lesson perhaps about the dangers of trying to recognize the kingdom of heaven on earth with human hands only

>>14345204
priests are proffessional bullshitters
how can you make stretches like this while keeping a straight face?

>>14345138
HEEEEEEEEEEE WOSSSSSSSSSSSSSS HHHHHHONNNNNNNNGRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!

>>14348443
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJl6d-PkxAk

>>14345355
Demons are all completely insane. They wanted to still be free to cause suffering, even to ordinary animals. The one thing the didn't want, above all else, was to have freedom of movement restricted. That's why they're petrified by the thought of being sent to hell's maximum security prison.

>>14348443
he's not a priest, he's the Noahtic covenant retard from a few weeks ago

>>14349834
I am not a priest and that poster you mentioned is not me.

>>14345138
>I can’t believe Jesus would make all those pigs stampede off a cliff!!! That’s immoral!
>every woman has a right abort her unborn child, right up to the day of the due date. That’s just feminism bro.

>>14349484
What is bullshit about it?

>>14349888
who are you quoting?

>>14348443
I know for a fact that there is at least one priest that posts here

>>14348443
I'm pretty sure pic related posts here.

>>14350177
based

>>14345204
based post
>>14349484
its not exactly an enormous stretch. Jesus himself compares human beings of a certain lower class than other human beings to swine at other points in the Gospels. That and if you aren't a complete retard, you should have noticed that the stories are very metaphorical like any religious tradition.

>>14348443
They've traditionally had an absence online until recently via youtube. Would be pretty based if they posted on /lit/ and /his/. Only thing is that some could consider it scandalous.

This may be a retarded question, but considering the prohibition against pork, why did Jews herd them?

>>14350761
Actually a really good point

>>14347824
What are you referring to here?

>>14350761
Have you met an Orthodox Jew? The Torah could start with the words "THOU SHALT NOT EVER, EVER EAT HONEY FROM BEES" and Talmudists would have 800-page tomes justifying using honey in everything they eat. This is actually a venerable argument for why Jews are such good "scholars" at a surface level but ultimately soulless, they have literally spent 2000+ years practicing casuistry.

>>14350761
If I remember correctly, in the Bible when Christ casts the demon into the pigs, it says that they were tramping far out in the country. It's possible they were moving away from Jewish areas into land occupied by pagan semites. I might be wrong though

>>14345204
also, just look at how butthurt the townsfolk are that they lost their pigs. just imagine witnessing the living God in the flesh before your very eyes but your too butthurt about your pigs to appreciate it. it shows how infinitely more important Christ is than any worldly thing, even the food you survive off of physically.

>>14348443
there was a priest who posted on /r9k/ a couple years ago. he was a big factor in me coming back to the Church desu

>>14350782
yeah, they have thousands of years of a cultural tradition of finding loopholes

>>14350836
It's true.

Why did OP crush all those mice with a brick? Seems harsh desu

>>14345204
the most based poster on /lit/

>>14350761
There were many peoples in Palestine, not just Jews. Remember that it was part of the Roman Empire.

>>14351057
Or its proof the bible came from the Greeks.

>>14350761
because Israelites frequently did not follow the law. that's why they had so many prophets, and why they see tribulations as punishment: they constantly needed to be wrangled back into line by God.

>>14352197
wrong

>>14349484
>bullshitters
And you're an amateur coper

>>14351181
Well the reliable texts were written in Greek, since that was the Lingua Franca.

>>14345307
this, if we could go back and see how many of this shit ocurred we would blushed. Christcucks suck my dick

>>14345342
men, i wonder why things like this never happened again, 2000 fucking years and nothing...maybe it´s fucking bullshit.

>>14350761
same thing because some sexual behaviors and forbiden but they are the kings of porn, jews doesn´t care about moral, they care about how to tunn the law against others and protect themselves, thats why jews are trash, hypocrites and deserve extinction.

>>14345204
>He did not. Christ did not send the demons to to the swine, nor were they actually swine.
The Holy Scriptures of the New Testament of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ say otherwise.

>>14345307
>>14354543
>>14354555

Well done, my fellow euphorics. We sure showed those Christcucks, ami'rite? Now let's go post this on r/atheism or r/paganism for those upvotes.

>>14345252
cuck