/lit/ - Literature

I loved Ubik and Do Androids Dream, what PKD should I read next?

first for hot moms

I believe BRANDON SANDERSON has a foot fetish. My reason for believing this is because I have a foot fetish so I pick up on things most humans do not. Take for instance the ever shitty House of Cards. Now, I do not like this show (House of Cards) but I did sit through 4 seasons of that crap hoping it would get better, and in that time I noticed numerous examples of blatant foot fan service. It is a good fetish to pander to because it occupies a gray area due to the lack of nudity, which is why its perfect for a guy like BRANDON SANDERSON. Reading Mistborn, I can't help but notice how many times we are reminded of Vin's cute bare footedness. She's barefoot on the roof, toes clutching the edge. She's barefoot on cobblestone, only to walk on marble. Vin walked to his bed BAREFOOT, making no sound. Of course the obvious explanation (for the mundane majority of men) is that Vin is a Mistborn -- a thief -- and strives to remain quiet. She has to make lots of sacrifices due to the magneto magic of BRANDON SANDERSON'S world, such as never wearing toe rings or anklets (unless they are wooden or something) but I do not believe this is the sole reason for the foot prose on display in these books. The author (BRANDON SANDERSON) has fueled my spirit with his depiction of Vin. I have a hard time getting through the pages when I keep seeing examples of her beautiful foot-based dexterity, yet its these very passages that push me further on. I see visions of Vin toying with Elend, giving her man a royal footjob that any king would crave with her expertly trained toes. I think about Vin embarrassed, painting her toe nails to match her dress while Zane watches from the window. I think about her wearing glass slippers to show off her new feminine toes at the balls! Oh what a sight to behold! I am not even on the third book so I can't begin to imagine how much footy goodness is still to come. Anyway, these are my reasons for suspecting BRANDON SANDERSON has a foot fetish.

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>>14343605
Remember, if these people try to start this shit back up in this thread just ignore them and let the moderation deal with them.

>>14343619
Fuck Chinese shit
Fuck grimdark
Fuck female authors
Fuck female protagonists
Fuck series
Fuck post apocalyptic fantasy
Fuck derirative high fantasy
Fuck science fiction
Fuck Sanderson, fuck Abercrombie, fuck martin, fuck bakker, fuck jordan

>>14343640
seething transvístã

>>14343640
Don't forget to dilate

>>14343635
Rec me some books with hot moms. Preferably ones with incest.

I was watching the new season of The Expanse and forgot to check on the thread. It happens. Seems someone else made a new thread though.

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>>14343666
Don't forget to go back to /pol/.

>>14343686
don't forget you live in reality

>>14343691
Don't forget we live in a society.

>>14343640
Go cry on reddit, trap house or whatever commie shithole you came from about it. Bad enough we have to deal with this shit outside of the thread.

>>14343703
That post really worked /pol/ into a seethe

>>14343640
There are two genders. It’s one of the most basic truths of human existence

>arguing semantics that are tied into personal identity and one's worldview
Ha ha, no thanks.

>>14343738
you're an idiot on several counts. for starters, gender and sex aren't synonymous, which is common knowledge now so good job on your literacy. sex (in humans) is defined by the number of each sex chromosome, while gender is defined by the cultural associations surrounding them. even in western civilization, most cultures have historically had at least three of them: male, female and eunuch

of course, the male-female dichotomy could work for sex, except that there are numerous genetic or epigenetic conditions that can result in nonstandard configurations or expressions of sex chromosomes, such as duplication or deletion

>>14343747
holy cringe rothfuss get back in your gamer chair already

>>14343757
Your screencap from last thread showed very clearly that you have 4chanX which basically confirms that you were samefagging.

So this is a hate circlejerk in action, continuing from the previous thread.

>>14343774
Pretty much. I also doubt it will stop because these threads have notoriously bad oderation.

>>14343762
actually i'm phoneposting but either way flattery will get you no where outside of your designated hug box

>>14343747
No sex and gender are the same.

>come to thread
>people who can't into empiricism
>popular media tells me gender exists so gender exists!!
Same people who likely believe race exists and can't keep their shitposting to a relevant board/thread, i.e. NOT /sffg/.

>>14343904
It is a bit odd that people would use the thread for sci-fi and fantasy, in which gender does not exist, for an argument about real world gender. It's like, dude, if you can't handle the subject matter, why are you here?

>>14343923
>sci-fi and fantasy, in which gender does not exist
Gender literally does not exist in the context that popular media portrays it. There are two biological SEXES: male and female. Gender refers to gendered articles in language which DON'T EVEN EXIST in English.

>>14343956
>There are two biological SEXES: male and female.
Not even this is true in sci-fi.

>>14344064
sci-fi = science FICTION
reality isn't sci-fi, sorry trans rights activist

>>14344064
Are you literally retarded?

>>14344091
>>14344096
Again, why are you in the sci fi thread bitching about /pol/ shit? You dumb fucks. Go somewhere that cares, because you will NOT find allies here.

>>14344101
says the TRA all alone from his padded isolation cell

>>14344109
>>>/pol/

>>14344112
>muh real life creeping into my comfy fiction threads!!!!!

>>14344126
>>>/pol/

>>14343640
You just tried to start this shit up you fucking butt pirate

>>14343747
Just accept that you're defective and kill yourself

>>14344154
>>14344161
I know that it must frustrate you severely that your enemy won't disappear just because you say rude words to them. That we just continue to foil your schemes at every turn. We're not going anywhere, and I hope that makes you furious.

>>14344134
>muh tired repeat responses like when i copy pasted my cringe from last thread hoping anons wouldn't notice how pathetic i am

>>14344187
Just go back

>>14344177
>40%
You’ll be dead before I will freak

why are incels so triggered by the existence of trans people?

>>14344199
i agree, you should just go back to r/eddit

>>14344199
>Just go back

>>14344213
There’s no such thing as trans people

Has anyone read "Wizard's First Rule" by Terry Goodkind and would you recommend it? I'm trying to get back into reading as a regular pastime and I want something good to sink my teeth into

>>14344225
That is one of the few books I would not recommend. Check out Shadow of the Torturer instead for something similar but better written.

>>14344213
Everybody is disgusted by trannies. It's just that incels don't hide it as well due to their lack of social skills.

>>14344126
this isn't your safe space failure, fuck off

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>>14344232
I can say with extreme confidence that 90% of transphobes have zero clue what they are talking about. Every single conversation goes - they say some baseless transphobic garbage, I reply saying they are wrong, they say "lol 40%" (from the UCLA study), I say that the study wasn't even used to track that and that they counted suicidal thoughts as an attempt, inflating the number, and then link them other studies proving my point, they go silent. Every time.

>>14344234
I really wish your parents had spent more time with you as a child, now you're an adult and all fucked up :(

>>14344239
Imagine coming into the thread just to say this.

>>14344233
>failure
>TRA
i love opposites day as much as the next guy but don't you think it's time to shave?

>>14344234
A man mutilating himself and wearing a dress is still a man.

>>14344242
Imagine cutting your dick off and thinking you're a woman

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>>14344251
Cringeworthy retorts

Are all Gene Wolfe’s books about memory and christianity/catholicism?

>>14344225
If you just stop there then yes. His books get worse the more they go on

>>14344257
The truth hurts

Any written equivalents to Oban Star Racers?

>>14344259
Even WFR has some stuff that pissed me off more in retrospect as I read his later books and realized where he was writing it from.

>>14344264
Cringe

I'm so bored. I've read every single classic fantasy author and found that they all suck. There's nothing to read, I'm literally too smart to enjoy anything.

>>14344276
What do you mean?

>>14344303
> "No war! No war! No war!" the people shouted as Richard led the men up the street at a dead run.
>"Out of the way!" Richard yelled as he closed the distance. This was no time for subtlety or discussions: the success of their attack depended in large part on speed. "Get out of the way! This is your only warning! Get out of the way or die!"
>"Stop the hate! Stop the hate!" the people chanted as they locked arms.
>They had no idea how much hate was raging through Richard. He drew the Sword of Truth. The wrath of its magic didn't come out with it, but he had enough of his own. He slowed to a trot.
>"Move!" Richard called as he bore down on the people.
>A plump, curly-haired woman took a step out from the others. Her round face was red with anger as she screamed. "Stop the hate! No war! Stop the hate! No war!"
>"Move or die!" Richard yelled as he picked up speed.
>The red-faced woman shook her fleshy fist at Richard and his men, leading an angry chant. "Murderers! Murderers! Murderers!"
>On his way past her, gritting his teeth as he screamed with the fury of the attack begun, Richard took a powerful swing, lopping off the woman's head and upraised arm. Strings of blood and gore splashed across the faces behind her even as some still chanted their empty words. The head and loose arm tumbled through the crowd. A man mad the mistake of reaching for Richard's weapon, and took the full weight of a charging thrust.
>Men behind Richard hit the line of evil's guardians with unrestrained violence. People armed only with their hatred for moral clarity fell bloodied, terribly injured, and dead. The line of people collapsed before the merciless charge. Some of the people, screaming their contempt, used their fists to attack Richard's men. They were met with swift and deadly steel.

>>14344302
List them and why they sucked

>>14344282
I see you’ve regressed to buzzwords. Well played

>>14344303
And in case that other one isn't bad enough for you:

Her power, her magic, was also a weapon of defense. But it would only work on people. It would not work on a chicken. And it would not work on wickedness incarnate.
Her gaze flicked toward the door, checking the distance. The chicken took a single hop toward her. Claws gripping Juni’s upper arm, it leaned her way. Her leg muscles tightened till they trembled.
The chicken backed up a step, tensed, and spurted feces onto Juni’s face.
It let out the cackle that sounded like a laugh.
She dearly wished she could tell herself she was being silly. Imagining things.
But she knew better.
Kahlan frantically tried to think as the chicken bawk-bawk-bawked.
“Mother,” the chicken croaked.
Kahlan flinched with a cry.
In the dark, the chicken thing let out a low chicken cackle laugh.
It hadn’t come from where she expected the chicken to be. It was behind her.
“Please, I mean no harm,” she called into the darkness. “I mean no disrespect. I will leave you to your business now, if that’s all right with you.”
She took another shuffling step toward the door. She moved carefully, slowly, in case the chicken thing was in the way. She didn’t want to bump into it and make it angry. She mustn’t underestimate it.
Kahlan had on any number of occasions thrown herself with ferocity against seemingly invincible foes. She knew well the value of a resolute violent attack. But she also somehow knew beyond doubt that this adversary could, if it wanted, kill her as easily as she could wring a real chicken’s neck. If she forced a fight, this was one she would lose.
The chicken thing let out a whispering cackle.
With the next flash of lightning, she saw chicken feet standing between her and the crack under the door. The thing wasn’t more than a foot from her face.
The beak pinched the vein on the back of her hand over her eyes. The chicken tugged, as if trying to pull a worm from the ground.
It was a command. It wanted her hand away from her eyes.
The beak gave a sharp tug on her skin. There was no mistaking the meaning in that insistent yank. Move the hand, now, it was saying, or you’ll be sorry.
If she made it angry, there was no telling what it was capable of doing to her. Juni lay dead above her as a reminder of the possibilities.
She told herself that if it pecked at her eyes, she would have to grab it and try to wring its neck. If she was quick, it could only get in one peck. She would have one eye left. She would have to fight it then. But only if it went for her eyes.
Her instincts screamed that such action would be the most foolish, dangerous thing she could do. Both the Bird Man and Richard said this was not a chicken. She no longer doubted them. But she might have no choice.
If she started, it would be a fight to the death. She held no illusion as to her chances. Nonetheless, she might be forced to fight it. With her last breath, if need be, as her father had taught her.

>>14344379
Damn I forgot about the evil chicken.

Are these threads actually ever about the OP's content or do I just check in back here every half an hour to see the equivalent of two monstrously inbreed dogs chasing each other's tails around?

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>>14344379
I had a friend back in high school that highly recommended The Sword of Truth. We never really talked much about politics, but at one point he mentioned having voted for Romney. After I graduated high school I lost touch with him but I continued reading SoT. Looking back, it really put a lot of his opinions into perspective.

>>14344422
Nothing wrong with killing hippies who think blocking the road is ok

>>14344407
Some days are better than others.
I saw someone reading this on a plane earlier this week. Hopefully it wasn't the anon from a thread or so back.

>>14343747
Sex is just another word for gender. There are males and females, determined by one’s genitalia. It’s quite simple really. Diseases of body and mind do not invalidate this. Evolution has created two genders. It works.

>>14344427
I notice you say nothing about the demon chicken.

>>14344430
Way to not even read his post and just spew out some angry rage because he dares to disagree with you and back up his statements with facts which you have not done.

>>14344434
I didn’t read that

>>14344429
I swear this thread used to have actual moderation and that's why the pseuds who hate genre fiction never touch it, but apparently those days are over.

>>14344439
He doesn't sound angry at all and the word 'gender' refers to literally nothing unless it means the evolved psychology of each sex.

What that guy is talking about is 'gender roles', those are socially constructed to some degree but obviously take their cue from biology, which is why you see the same patterns in pretty much all cultures.

>>14344449
>What that guy is talking about is 'gender roles'
No he isn't -- he's talking about cutting off his dick and being an actual woman.

>>14344456
Okay /pol/tard

>>14344461
Okay /pol/tard

What do you guys think of the Exhalation stories?

Fuck. You guys aren't gonna believe this.

About a year and a half ago I read a self-published book that I really liked. It was the first book of a trilogy, I think, but then when I went to read the other two the fag author had pulled them from amazon. Turns out (from goodreads) that this author had already published the same book like twice with different covers and titles, but always ended up pulling it. I guess he's some kind of autist and wasn't satisfied with it or something. It was a really good fantasy book, though, really liked it.

So today I was doing fuck all so I went scrolling through the amazon's new releases page, which I don't often do, and then I saw a really really bad cover that reminded me of that book and recognized the author's name. He did it again, the fucking madman! Today! And I, his only reader, just happened to see it on the day he released it. Fuck! Makes me wonder how many times he does this, for me to just be scrolling through on the exact day he releases it. Maybe he does it every other day and so it's not such a coincidence after all.

Anyway, I think you guys should all read it. I'll shamelessly promote it here so you can share my pain when the faggot inevitably pulls it from the store again before releasing the sequel (which is scheduled for january, according to amazon). It's a fantasy about elves. Elves are all a bunch of pussies that can't even handle the thought of violence, except for one, the main character. I won't spoil more than that, but it was a really well written book, I don't know how much he changed since then.

It's this with the atrocious cover, by the way. He had previously """published""" it by "Elf: Immemorial" a couple times. I don't know if he did manage to get a legit publisher this time, but it says it's published by Soteira Press, don't know who the fuck that is, maybe an indie oriented small publisher?

>>14344484
That looks like a slightly edited Green Goblin from the Raimi spiderman movies.

>>14344489
It's worse than his previous ones, and that's saying something. If he wanted to improve things, he's doing a really bad job of it. The title is worse too.

>>14344318
Vance, too ironic, wrote for money and it shows, stories are just random sequences of inane events. Moorcock doesn't know how to wrap up his stories, all collapse into farces toward their ends (his way of deconstructing the genre). Poul Anderson is just trash, and the way he shoves his politics into his stories is embarrassing and obnoxious. Robert Howard is okay-ish, stories lose their flavor after the third one or so. Gene Wolfe is more interested in crafting puzzles than in writing stories. L. Sprague de Camp is just fucking terrible. Leigh Brackett sucks dick, Marion Zimmer bradley is quirky and stupid. Burroughs is for children.

>>14344484
Based. Do you remember the glorious Amazon God Robert Stanek?

>>14344495
Bleached

>>14344498
Solid. Now post what you like and why.

>>14344498
For you :3

>>14344482
Not as good as the inhalation chronicles

>>14344499
what the fuck is an obert stank? Is that you? Did you at least write anything good?

>>14344430
see >>14343956 and stop posting

>>14344505
I've never read a single work of fantasy or science fiction that I liked. The only thing that comes close is R.A Lafferty, and that's only for (some of) his short stories. His full length novels are smug and lifeless.

>>14344523
Then pick a different genre, friend. Historical military fiction is adjacent. Give it a shot.

>>14344499
Tell me about him.

>>14344503
I don't know. Seems like both of them are about to be blacked by the guy behind them.

>>14343668
Trismoon Saga has a hot mom but no incest. Can't really "recommend it", though, since it's not really my kinda book. Too much suffering.

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>>14344533
He was a self-published OG Amazon manipulator. His work was unreadable -- and I say this as someone who reads self-published litrpgs all day long. Even in audiobook I couldn't get more than 20 minutes in. But he diligently created hundreds if not thousands of sock puppet reviews, giving him (and also Harry Potter, just for authenticity) five stars. An utterly transparent combination of autism and balls.

One guy (I think here: http://conjugalfelicity.com/robert-stanek/ ) did an investigation that just makes you feel sorry for everyone involved. But for years he sat on top of hundreds of fraudulent five star reviews so there's something marvelous about him even if he can't write.

>>14344588
Oh no, >>14344484 is an autist but he is a legit good writer.

You can really tell he is a complete autist, though. He made up an entire fantasy language complete with glossary at the end that only I read, kek.

>>14344471
Dilate

>>14344520
So there’s no such thing as gender as it applies to people

>>14344736
Okay /pol/tard.

>>14344866
Dilate

>>14344889
No /pol/tard.

Some people put some really silly messages for the invite for the group. There isn't really a need to do so if you don't want to. It's a 100% acceptance rate. Any problem can be dealt with afterwards. It's only set to private because I assume people would prefer that, but maybe not. Can always see about that as well if needed.

You are wrong. Hunters is good so far. Feels like a direct continuation of Chaperhouse.

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>>14330093
You are wrong. Hunters is good so far. Feels like a direct continuation of Chaperhouse.

>>14344446
You have to report the pol posts, you can't just cross your fingers and hope.

>>14344893
40% freak

>>14345046
If you want heavy moderation you better hurry back to plebbit bitch boy

>>14345054
>i will post off topic shit in the fantasy general
>what? You don't like my political shit that has nothing to do with fiction or a book in your general? You are a rebbit bitch boi

>>14343668
Vorkosigan Saga
Saga of the Skolian Empire
The Gap Cycle
Queen of Air and Darkness by Poul Anderson
Dragonsbane
Tea with the Black Dragon
Raven's Shadow by Patricia Briggs
The Sun runner series
The Last Mythal Trilogy

>>14345082
>Every post must pass my purity test
Naw bitch fuck off

>>14345046
>>14345082
/pol/ is part of 4chan. If you don't want to share a site with such people then fuck off to somewhere else.

Help me, sffg. I'm trying to find a book I read about five or six months ago, although I think it was probably published either earlier than that this year or in 2018. It was a time travel novel with a female author. The main character developed this method of time travel that requires you to die while inside a sensory deprivation tank, and then you go back to the point in your life that you were meditating on while you died with the knowledge of the future. Any changes you made created false memories in people who were affected by it, and when the government gets ahold of the device they make bigger changes that affect more people and it eventually causes the end of the world, despite the efforts of the device's creator and her police officer buddy to bring things back under control. Anybody got any clues?

>>14345436
how can you not remember a book you only read 6 months ago?

>>14345445
I remember the book very well, thanks, I just can't remember the title.

>>14345312
I was here before pol, yall are the intruders and need to fuck off.
Also we have no problem sharing the website with you, we just have a problem when you fucks come out your containment board and try to share our board with us.
The fucking rules says stays keep pol in pol. You feel 4chan is your personal ruleless playground to go shitting where you please without consequences?

>>14345460
>was here before pol
So was I. I was here before /new/ as well. Do you even know what that is?
>yall
Eat shit.
>You feel 4chan is your personal ruleless playground to go shitting where you please without consequences?
It obviously is.

>>14345446
That is why you use goodreads. You don't have to use the review function, just use "now reading" and "read" when you're finished, and your online library is updated.

>>14345486
>the abbreviation of you all - y'all and people all over the world using it is a reason to get up in arms
Neck yourself.

>Do you even know what that is?
Did you used to suck snack's dick too?

Seems 12 deleted posts changed nothing.

So guys...how about that Malazan? haha

>>14345878
Tattersail is CUTE

I'm about halfway through the first volume of Dune. Does the author ever stops jerking it of to Paul? Since he's been stranded in the desert with his mom his like Jesus and his mother became a complete retard. It's pretty annoying.

>>14345921
Messiah spells out the answer to your question if you don't pick up on the subtext by the end of the book.

What recently released are you guys reading?

>>14345926
Well I understood that, but it's the way it's written more than the fact really.

>>14343619
Red Sister is a good book.

>>14344234
You get idiot tier responses because that is all you are worth.

If you need a ten page essay why mutilating yourself and LARPING as a woman is a bad idea and will inevitably destroy your life, then you are just dumb.

You are not a woman and there is nothing you CAN do to become one. At best you will be a freak which isn't openly ridiculed, because doing so has severe negative consequences for people openly voicing what everybody can see. Even if you manage to "pass" in your early twenties and can pretend to be a girl to people not looking to closely, in a few years that will change and people will see you for the Frankenstein's Monster that you are.

Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of sympathy for people with these mental illnesses, which is why the people who encourage them and promote "transitioning" instead of treatment need to be locked away.

>>14346176
Based.

>>14344498
>Read most of those authors and it all rings true
>Been hoping I'll find something good
Should I just give up?
I am glad to see that said that about Poul Anderson. I'm sick of seeing people praising the disdain for fantasy which he has while writing about fantasy.
>>14344523
I guess I'll try R.A Lafferty. what would you recommend I start with?

>>14344498
You read any Zelazny?

>>14344260
The Land Across and The Sorcerer's House weren't. Though the latter feels like it was written by Gene Wolfe's senile alter ego.

>>14346266
Wait fuck The Land Across had a slight catholic vs atheism thing going on because of the gommunism.

>>14344234
There isn't any need to argue about it. You aren't a woman and you never will be. There's nothing you can do or ever will be able to do to make yourself a woman. I refuse to deny reality in order to accommodate your mental illness.

>>14345878
>Malazan
Got meme-d by /lit/ into reading it. Forced myself though the first book. It's shit.

>>14344302
>>14344498
I agree, if you're referring to pulp material. I don't understand how anyone enjoys that today. Also agree about Gene Wolfe; it's like reading a puzzle, but it's not enjoyable like a mystery novel would be as there's no reveal or payoff.

>>14345938
not currently but I'm really excited to read Dead Astronauts when I get a chance. all the reviews saying that it's a confusing mindfuck seem like a positive

>>14346536
I mean, I read The Fifth Head of Cerberus recently and took some time to try and understand exactly what was going on in the story, reading it carefully and looking it up online afterward, even finding Gene Wolfe's own comments on it which confirmed by interpretation. And when I came and posted about it on here, the one person that discussed it with me did not understand the plot on even a basic level. Not the underlying themes or things that could be difficult to ascertain, but just the basic plot was incomprehensible to them. And that's because the book never explains it and just assumes you'll figure it out somehow. That's fine, I suppose, but I don't find it enjoyable. It's like I'm approaching the book as an antagonist that I have to defeat, rather than something that I can enjoy. I think it also demonstrates a failure to effectively communicate, or if not that, then an excessive preoccupation with obfuscation.

>>14346563
All that being said, his prose is very good, so I can understand the praise he receives in that regard. But it's not enough to make me enjoy his writing.

>>14343619
Is House of Blades good?

>>14345938
I feel your pain anon. All i hear is "read botns" and sandersahack.
On the other hand, i started reading the demon cycle series and is quite good.

>>14346984
That is not recently released...

>>14346984
Only the first 2 books of Demon Cycle are good, the rest are fucking drivel.

>>14347043
I dropped the first book, started so great but then it was all cliches. wow really your adoptive father is the wealthiest guy in the city by far, how lucky.

>>14347052
I don't see it as cliche. Now if he fucked his adoptive mother and made her infidelity pregnant, that would have been a cliche.

>>14344498
Le Guin?

>>14345938
There are no new books worth reading. Accept that and look backward. It'll be better for your soul than choking down modern garbage until the water effort convinces you that it's enjoyable.

>>14347172
Older books aren't as structured as modern books. Too many times I had to deal with ass pulls.

Lads, I thought Gene Wolfe was a woman for so long hahaha

What would be a good place to post some fantasy short stories? I would like a place where people can actually follow you and give you feedback, kinda like Royalroad but Western. Should I just use Royalroad?

>>14344234
The study would be irrelevant either way. Gender is demonstrably a social construct, and anyone that denies that just an imbecile. The only thing that's up to decide is whether or not you are strict on wanting gender to correlate to assigned sex, which is a pretty retarded thing to want considering that sex itself is pretty loose and people can be vastly different regardless of what sex a medical book says they are. And then you have the question of how many genders should there be, since you apparently have a LOT of autistic trans people that think having more than a handful of genders is too much.
Personally, I'm all for expanding the language through additional gender, but I hate the fact that it all revolves around sex when it's discussed in settings like these. Of course, I could see the danger in having too many genders, since then the lines get more and more strict depending on what you identify as. So I can understand gender abolitionists too.
I've noticed that most people threatened by trannies are fags, and I'm sure many of the ones in this thread that go nuclear are 100% fags. If you ever talk to a fag long enough he will start telling you about how trannies ruined their life and gay culture and how they took over every fun place online for the gayim. It's kind of funny. It's kind of ironic how incels take all the blame for the tradcuck stuff because I feel that behind every one of these online groups, you dig long enough and you'll find a frustrated fag at the bottom that hates women and hates the idea of men turning into women even more.

>>14346759
Yes and it’s fun

>>14346339
>>14346339
I warn people not to read that crap in every thread, but you guys never fucking listen. Did you ever look how fucking low it's rated on Goodreads? For a fantasy series for normies? It's insanely bad. Like unless you can identify some reason as to why normies would dislike it (like Bakker getting downvoted for having his only female character be a whore) there's a good chance that the book is just shit, and in Malazan's case it is just shit. It panders to just about everyone under the sun, it's the most R3ddit book imaginable, and yet normies still hated it. It has an obese sorceress, it's full of minorities, gurrl power, and all the shit that's popular now, and yet it's still despised because of just how low the quality is. Anyone that tells you Malazan is good is either a complete fucking brainlet or trolling you.
Pic related, it's from Erikson's instagram story.

>>14347412
Bro it’s not complicated.
Gender = sex.
There are only two.
Men can never be women no matter how much they mutilate themselves.

My 5 year old cousin has a better grasp on this than you do.

>>14347440
Gender isn't sex and never was. Thinking that it is just shows that you have no idea what you're talking about and never picked up a history book in your life, let alone one to do with the topic.
>My 5 year old cousin has a better grasp on this than you do.
Imagine being so fucking retarded at life that you think that a five year old has the answers just because it happens to justify your intellectual laziness.
Good thing the people that actually study this agree entirely with me.

>>14347412
Hello brainlet, I am going to do the rare thing on /lit/ and call you out on your pseudism

>Gender is demonstrably a social construct, and anyone that denies that just an imbecile.
Generally when academics denote gender to be a social construct, what is meant by this is that precisely the question you posit afterwards is to be answered in the negative, that due to the nature of gender being a constructed concept, we are able to throw away with the truth status of it as universal and can dissolve everything into an impenetrable field of relative contingencies that can be formed and shaped to our desires. The moral thing then, according to these theorists, would be to destroy the prevailing social order wrt to gender and allow for radical reorganization of our fields of knowledge according to our normative motivations.

So yes, the question of whether gender is a mere social construct is indeed of relevance and by positing the question you follow up with:

>The only thing that's up to decide is whether or not you are strict on wanting gender to correlate to assigned sex

you simply beg the question and ignore the debate which is central to the philosophical investigation of gender.

>which is a pretty retarded thing to want considering that sex itself is pretty loose and people can be vastly different regardless of what sex a medical book says they are

Which is also why your conclusion seems to be so trivially set in stone already. Whether or not sex is pretty loose, whether or not people can be vastly different and whether or not we are making use of a sensible category by using "gender" when talking about this (lack of) difference is what is up for debate.

>>14347459
Hello brainlet, there you are again. Identifying gender as something separate from sex is a VERY modern and recent thing. In fact up until 40 to 30 years ago the question was never raised. During second wave feminism gender essentialism was considered part of a radically progressive agenda and the female essence was considered to be central to the feminist movement. Since you mention history books, I would like you to inform of the Ancient views on gender, such as they are exemplary found in Aristotle, according to which the soul of a person was gendered according to their physiology and was in fact a natural part of a person – speaking of "feminine men" as Aristotle did, does not mean that there is a gender role of a woman which the 'biological' man takes on, but rather that the man is in his nature tending towards the feminine side. This view of sex was fairly consistent up until a few decades ago and in fact was very popular in sociological, anthropological and philosophical circles during the late 19th and early 20th century and for example used to explain phenomena such as homosexuality.

>>14347412
>>14347459
>>14347466
>>14347495
The pseud is immunized against all dangers: one may call him a scoundrel, parasite, swindler, profiteer, it all runs off him like water off a raincoat. But call him a pseud and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

>thread ruined by mentally ill trannies and poltards
Meh this general was always shit.

how good is the book of the long sun?

>>14347607
Just report them.
They will disappear soon enough, and we can go back to why mature women getting dick is the superior form of fantasy.

Would anyone explain the ending of Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? When Deckard found the toad he really seem to care much when he found out that it wasn't a real one yet he spend a almost a fortune on a real goat, I didn't quite get it

>>14347746
There's No Substitute For The Real Thing!

>>14347466
The most retarded post in this thread, congratulations. You managed to type that much and say nothing apart from projecting your JQ conspiracies. Why are right wingers so driven by emotion? Actually use logic and reason in your argumentation, please. Throwing around what you take to be big words doesn't make you sound smarter to someone that's actually intelligent, it only underscores how fucking retarded you are since you think that's in any way a replacement for making a cohesive argument.
>>14347495
>>Identifying gender as something separate from sex is a VERY modern and recent thing.
>happened in plenty of cultures including european ones
>>VERY MODERN AND RECENT THING
>During second wave feminism gender essentialism was considered part of a radically progressive agenda and the female essence was considered to be central to the feminist movement.
Second wave feminism is shit.
>Aristotle
Haha, of course the subhuman tradcuck would bring up Aristotle because that's the only fucking historical figure or Greek philosopher you know. Ugh, truly cringe. Go back to your Christfag threads and stay there, incel, subhumans get containment threads for a reason. Almost everything Aristotle is trash that got blown the fuck out by neo-Platonists, only a dumb Anglo would even bring up Aristotle unironically.
>but rather that the man is in his nature tending towards the feminine side.
Yeah, that's called being feminine, and has nothing to do with gender. Amazing post, truly learned so much from you writing random nonsense that has nothing to do with the topic.
>This view of sex
Are you actually so stupid that you can't tell we're talking about gender like ten posts into the topic?
>>This view of sex was fairly consistent up until a few decades ago and in fact was very popular in sociological, anthropological and philosophical circles during the late 19th and early 20th century and for example used to explain phenomena such as homosexuality.
>he needs to go back in time to an era with less knowledge when these fields weren't even develop to find assistance
OH NO NO NO
Retard, you know that when we were talking history we meant usage of gender in society, right? Not substituting modern science with pseudoscience from a hundred years ago? Next you're going to tell me you aren't actually low-IQ despite this clear evidence because your size has a special shape you read about from your old books.
Christcucks truly need to get the lead.

>>14347649
approximately as good as new sun
nightside is the best

new sun > long sun > urth > short sun

Has anyone read any of these books?
>The Written (Ben Galley)
>Sol Shall Rise (G.P Hudson)
>Galaxy's Edge: Legionaire (Anspach and Cole)
>Empire of Silence (Christopher Ruocchio)
Got them as an early Christmas present(s) and was wondering which I should start with, unless they're all shit and I should donate them or something?

redpill me on wizard of earthsea is it a hard read for someone just starting?

>Red Country is set about thirteen years after the First Law trilogy and revolves around a youthful female protagonist who is hoping to bury her bloody past, but she’ll have to sharpen up some of her old ways to get her family back. Her journey will take her across the barren western plains to a frontier town gripped by gold fever, through feud, duel and massacre and high into the unmapped mountains.
Is this wokeshit?

>>14348220
I feel like someone asked that question last thread too.
It's a childrens book. A very good one. So no it's not a hard read.

>>14348279
>It's a childrens book
ew

>>14348279
>The structure of the story is similar to that of a traditional epic, although critics have also described it as subverting this genre in many ways, such as by making the protagonist dark-skinned in contrast to more typical white-skinned heroes.
>wokeshit
>good
fuck off

>>14347728
>mature women getting dick
tell me some examples kind anon

>>14348300
Then don't read it and miss out on some very good fantasy you fucking retard.
Using redpill when referring to simple explanation should have told me already that you are handicapped .
>>14348338
Kill yourself you dumb faggot.

>>14348234
Worse. It's Abercrombie

>>14348365
No fuck you, this is just one of the oldest examples of a book with a author who likes shoehorning progressive shit for muh social points

>>14344302
Kill yourself, then.

It always amuses me to see someone argue so hard against including something when it's against their beliefs, but then fully support it when it support their beliefs. Of course then they are argue they hate whenever anyone does it, but their beliefs are the default so of course they would be included, and in fact if they aren't, that means something is wrong with it. Amazing.

>5 years since echopraxia
>essentially zero news about omniscience apart from throwaway lines on Watts' blog
what's taking him so long?

>>14348415
He is taking pages from E William Brown on how to be a shit author.

>>14345938
just stared the powder mage series. colonial world where gunpowder can be used to fuel magic. i'm liking it

>>14343633
Just go to VALIS, friend.

How are Frank Herbert's books after book 1? I've only ever read Dune.

>>14347433
nah its great you just need to read it along side a wiki

What does /sffg/ think of Jeff Vandermeer? He's another author focuses on weird strange sci-fi the likes of China Mieville and the Strugatskys.

Fellow book faggots.
Recommend to a recently published fantasy book to someone who read over 1500 books ranging from obscure dinocore to modern day self pubbed, and all that lies between.
I read all the shit that is bandied about regularly. Recommend undiscussed books.

>>14348524
Look at peoples' read lists that are rated 5 stars and are recently published.

>>14348145
None are anything close to highbrow, whether you'll find them pulp fun is up to you really. Don't know much about the first 2, but Galaxy's Edge is essentially a Star Wars book about Stormtroopers with the serial numbers filed off. Empire of Silence is the beautiful and inspiring story of an author making a good chunk of money by shamelessly ripping off Dune and Name of the Wind.
If either of those things sounds appealing to you by all means read and enjoy, but don't expect /lit/ cred or anything.

>>14348234
no its less woke than Ferro. her blood past is she was a child thief in a gang, she killed one of them and a lynch mob hangs a different girl thinking it was her (not big spoiler). its mostly chasing down some kidnapped siblings from her farm and dealing with a wild west setting. imo the only good spin off book is Best Served Cold which is arguable more woke

any good fantasy books without wokeshit or niggers or faggots? women are ok if they know their place

>>14348383
yeah pretty sure the magic system is gendered too with men losing theirs in middle age and having to take a second place to women

>>14348234
Not really. Whether it's shit is arguable, but it's not especially woke unless you're actively looking for some kind of subtext to get mad about. The 'tough female protagonist' finds out that she knows a lot less than she thought and has vastly misjudged how formidable certain people are or are not.

>>14348338
I didn't even realize Ged wasn't white, or at least didn't remember it. The book's from an age where you could have a protagonist be whatever color without having to constantly make a huge deal out of it and signal how woke you are on racism or whateverthefuck

>>14348558
wheel of time is a 14 book long series blowing the fuck out of feminism.

>>14348556
Best Served Cold is definitely more woke. The Heroes is mostly not woke unless you count a girl tearing Autismo dan Niceguy a new one as "woke"

They're both not very good tho

>>14348582
Of course i already read that anon.

>>14348511
>What does /sffg/ think of Jeff Vandermeer?
I'm just a few percent in on "Annihilation", we'll see how it goes.

>>14348597
2nd apocalypse then, one female characters are whores and its about a white aryan ubermenschen becoming a messiah of tanned people, leading them on a crusade against arabs

>>14348616
>one female characters are whores
*all female characters are whores

>>14348546
>If either of those things sounds appealing to you by all means read and enjoy
I'll probably give Legionaire a go, since good Start Wars material is hard to come by these days. Thanks for the info
>but don't expect /lit/ cred or anything
To be honest I'd rather read a book I'd actually enjoy than a book that just made me look cool

>>14348616
>bakker
i tought he was a sjw?

>>14348646
can't say about the author but 2nd apocalypse isn't

There you go talking about shitty fantasy again.
Can't you guys talk about something worth reading from time to time? Sci-fi preferably but I am game for any respectable genre.
Ignition made history of rocket propellant a surprisingly fun read, so I am ready to give (almost) anything a go.

>>14343619
And the OP is horrible as usual.

>>14348701
a coomer has even lower credibility than op

>>14348704
>coomer
Why do you post like some discord tranny?
You are so much better anon.

>>14348768
cringe stop posting these pics

>>14348484
you should read sanderson too

they're both shit

>>14348932
post something that isn't then faggot

>>14348782
>actual homosexual
Embarrassing.

>>14343619
>House of blades
Has someone actually read this?
I liked Cradle and keep thinking about starting with that one.

>>14348685
>>14348768
>complains about fantasy
>posts fantasy cosplay
>posts in /sffg/
>basically wants recs for anything other than what's relevant to /sffg/
Congrats on maxing out being hypocritical, arrogant, and entitled.

anyone know any good /ss/ books?

Do any other writers in this thread have an issue where important plot points, foreshadowing and character traits basically get left out during the story because you never get a chance for them to come up naturally in the dialog or narration?

>>14347354
in what country are women named gene?

>>14348071
what don't you like about urth? I thought it was some of my favorite stuff of the book of new sun

>>14343668
The Keys to Paradise trilogy by Robert Vardeman has a Catgirl adopting a little slave boy and raising her as her own, they don't fuck tho.

>>14349236
Jean is pronounced very similarly. Jean is a male name in French-speaking countries, but a female name in English-speaking ones.

>>14349668
I live in an english-speaking country and I've never heard of a woman named Jean (unless Jeanne d'Arc counts). Also, isn't Jean pronounced more like "John" in french?

>>14349716
http://rhiever.github.io/name-age-calculator/index.html?Gender=F&Name=Jean

>>14349716
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_(female_given_name)
>Jean is a common female given name in English-speaking countries. It is the Scottish form of Jane
>Pronunciation /ˈdʒiːn/

Now that the resident public morality comity has blown their load, has anyone read anything interesting lately?
Anything worth recommending?
I tried the Twelve Kings in Sharakhai (on account of author's supposed dislike of Jews) but the book reads like some male feminist power fantasy and is just awful.
Whichever anon recommended that book should be ashamed of himself.

>>14348645
You liking star wars shows that your tastes are shit anyways. You probably watching that baby yoda bait fest.

>>14348495
So it's shit, but with extra steps

>>14348582
>wheel of time
>blowing the fuck out of feminism.
Imagine being so mentally challenged you think that's what blowing out feminism amounts to.

>>14349162
Tampa by Alessa Nutting

>>14349716
Of course you haven't. You'd have to leave your cheeto dust encrusted masturbation chamber and actually interact with living breathing humans.

The only thing that keeps me from reading Cthulhu romance fiction written by a fat lady is the fact that its not available as pirateable ebook.
I should reevaluate my decisions.

>>14349983
Where is all this hysterical hostility coming from man?
Chill dude.

>>14349716
You probably live in some backwater English dump country if you never saw a female named Jean, or you are an antisocial basement dweller who doesn't interact with others.

>>14349991
>I should reevaluate my decisions.
And your life.

>>14349911

Why is /sffg/ so full of overcompensating faggots with little dicks that are so desperate to find shit stories to self-insert into anything where they can pretend to have even some little power over women? Are they so fucking weak and pathetic they can't even get to the default where this is already the case, so they can vicariously live through such "escapist fantasy"?

>>14349972
the white tower is modern feminism with all its infighting and power clutching.

>>14350014
>>14350024
Wow you guys need to chill.
You're not on reddit anymore. No need to keep up appearances.
Really, no one cares.

>>14349935
How's the baby Yoda bait fest?
Worth a watch?

>>14350024
Anyone that reads has their preference. If /pol/ wants fantasy books where women are in the kitchen, it's their prerogative to acquire that. Once they keep their pol shit in pol, and discuss like a human being, they can read their preferred fantasy to their hearts content. They also can't get mad when someone shills a book about people hunting white males to extinction, and feverishly breeding the white females.

>>14350053
>Worth a watch?
Best SW related piece of media since quite a few years. Definitely more worth the time than the movies.

>>14350089
>Best SW related piece of media since quite a few years.
Talk about being damned by faint praise. I guess I'll download the first episode, for Herzog.
Thanks.

>>14350024
LMAO projecting much?

>>14350024
do you have a single fact to back that up?

>>14348645
You're welcome. Yeah just read what you enjoy, the last thing /lit/ needs is more posturing pseuds. A lot of the stuff that "makes you look cool" is genuinely good and enjoyable too of course.

>>14350024
This is the first sffg thread where I've seen anything like that and I'm p sure it's one dude. Calm down faggot

What is the point exactly of reading the monthly book?

>>14350339
discussing it with people

>>14350339
monthly book is a sham. you only get one thread where a few people discuss

>>14350339
Not a lot since this general went to shit.

>>14350339
A sense of belonging, and an interesting book recommended by several people. I've read several of those and it has not been bad.

For those who have a light background in math, I do some textbook and history book reviews (or lore tellings) sometimes

https://youtu.be/5zLr7hAnrZY

(as a heads-up, most of the videos are more technical, however)

>>14350430
What the fuck happened? It wasn't great last year but I don't remember it being this bad.

>>14350181
>A lot of the stuff that "makes you look cool" is genuinely good and enjoyable too of course
Not to be a newfag shitting up the thread, but if you've got some non-obvious recommendations I'd be grateful and could give them a go (by non-obvious I mean some of the more famous and oft-read ones like Dune or LotR)

>>14350514
Because the people who wanted to have discussions and posted real content left. All that's left is lowest common denominator contaminations from other boards.

>>14350559
There were never here in the first place.

>>14350596
It's all relative.

>>14350600
What a copout.

>>14350559
what bug lik berserk? :D

>>14350514
Coomer invasion

What do you think of books that put something to explicitly show how terrible something is? Is it okay for them to do so or are they wrong for doing so because some things should never be written in explicit detail?

>>14350773
We've always had sexytiems here. What's different now is that people are suddenly feeling like their lives depend on making a big deal out of it. That and the tranny vs pol discussions.

Is it wrong that i sympathize with the consult more than the fucking humies.

>>14350802
Your post is too general for me to correctly visualize what you mean.

Do you mean about books that want to show how something is bad but are too obvious about it? I always thought that subtlety is better, but sometimes being too subtle gives ways to interpret something in a manner the author didn't intend to, or the message is just lost.

>>14350802
You mean rape scenes and the like or the authors politics?

>>14350878
>visualize
You visualize abstract concepts?
Do you visualize everything?

>>14350895
Sure

>>14349911
I wasn't advertising it for antisemitism you fucking mongoloid. Did you actually read my post or were you too busy fucking your McSister to bother with basic literacy

>>14344307
this isn't in WFR, I'm on the fifth book and I haven't seen this yet

>>14351314
A quick google search shows it's in Naked Empire.
Naked Empire is the eighth book in Terry Goodkind's epic fantasy series The Sword of Truth.

>>14351457
Correct, but the comment about being pissed off was made in reference that first book, Wizard's First Rule, the first book in Terry Goodkind's epic fantasy series The Sword of Truth.

I could understand not being happy about the political subtexts (though they are blatant enough that it's hard to use the prefix of "sub") that exist in the other books, Wizard's First Rule, the first book in Terry Goodkind's epic fantasy series The Sword of Truth, seems rather innocuous as a whole, save for perhaps the Mord Sith torture which may have been given too much room in the book. The only egregious political allegory I saw in it was the bit where the farmer was speaking to the evil queen, which was very short, if blunt.

Started my own thread when I should've just posted this here. I'm looking for any good series about humans being replaced over time by a transhuman, post-human, or human-like successor. And please, for the love of God, nothing like Wraeththu, I'm not in this for pseudo-homosexual romance, I'm in this for species supremacy and creepy, predatory interspecies dynamics.

Pic sort of related. Definitely doesn't have the vibe I'm going for, but the disturbing reality is there underneath the facade.

>>14350875
Not even remotely wrong.

Just want to thank the anon that recommended the Vorkosogan Saga when I asked for large family orientated novel series, I've just finished everything that's out and it's been a joy the whole way through. Do you have any other recs for similar series?

>>14345938
It’s on my kindle but I haven’t had a chance to start it

>>14348952
It’s not as good as cradle but still good. If you like cradle good chance you’ll like this.

>>14345938
Sorcery of thorns
I read some modern romance focused YA every now and then my girl's sake

>>14350875
The consult did nothing wrong.

>>14346563
>>14346593
>thoughtful critique of gene wolfe
>0 responses
lol

Does /sffg/ dabble in pulp much? I usually read on my break at work and I like lighter fare that I don't need to take notes on to keep the plot straight.

I recently stumbled onto the Tamer: King of the Dinosaurs series by Michael-Scott Earle and I genuinely enjoyed it. Earle's other works just haven't engaged me, so I'm hoping someone can point me towards more in a similar vein.

>>14351608
So basically you want body snatchers in prose form?

>>14352254
Check the pic

>>14352130
What should we respond to? I read that book years ago, and every now and again some new guy comes in here and splooges all over the general with their fascination of gene wolfe. Seeing as they have nothing new to say, I don't bother with them.

>>14351608
If you didn't know, the Banner/Crest of the Stars anime are based on a series of novels, which are being translated currently. J-Novel Club licensed both of them and have published a new translation of Crest (3 books), and are translating Banner now (only book 1 is finished so far).

>>14352338
>and every now and again some new guy comes in here and splooges all over the general with their fascination of gene wolfe.
There seems to be a strong like for his writing in these threads which can't be limited to "some new guy."

>>14352367
No, people here like him. But excited writing like that is a incel popping his cherry with the gril he was obsessed with. Like fevered frenzied fumbling.

>>14350802
>Is it okay for them to do so or are they wrong for doing so because some things should never be written in explicit detail?
What do you mean? Rape scenes are hot.

>>14343619 Looking for a fantasy book with a similar feel to The Iliad. You got anything?Science fiction is gay nerd shit btw so don't send me anything thats like "greek mythology but in space and with ai". Something focused on characters of the classic male hero ideal, has a bit of romance and an epic plot, has a nice dab of magic but not overly done, but with realistic characters, could be kinda edgy since Greek myths could be like that but isn't overly grim or cynical.

>>14352435
>I have no response so I'll just dismiss it and compare you to incels
Pathetic and unsurprising.

I really like Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. And I don't care for Blade Runner much at all. So from my perspective, it's sad that DADOES got overshadowed.
I guess it's very different in feeling from most other sci-fi. Which is true of all of Philip K Dick's work.

>>14352562
I was just explaining the way they talked about gene when they first started, that shows that they are new, but you do you.

>>14346536
>Also agree about Gene Wolfe; it's like reading a puzzle, but it's not enjoyable like a mystery novel would be as there's no reveal or payoff.
I don't agree. His writing can be disjointed, but it's not a puzzle. He does, however, love to put mystery subplots into his writing. Figuring them out is not necessary for understanding the work as a whole, it's just for fun if you like mysteries.

That said, Wolfe's writing is basically "OK boomer", the book.

Michael Swanwick is significantly better, he has actually interesting things to say.

>>14352600

As much as I like Swanwick and wish he was more discussed in here, the man himself is a rabid Wolfe fanboy.

>>14352600
>Figuring them out is not necessary for understanding the work as a whole
In Cerberus, for example, if you do not figure out that John Marsch died and was replaced by VRT how can you understand the story? I don't get that at all.

>>14352564
>I guess it's very different in feeling from most other sci-fi. Which is true of all of Philip K Dick's work.

Dick is definitely not unique for his time, read other authors who published in the 60s/70s and you will see that. There was a big branch of sci-fi with great ideas and poor execution, of which Dick is firmly a part of.

>>14352564
>>14352676

Also the first bladerunner movie is fantastic, they actually made a Dick story into a coherent movie.

>>14348234
Not really, but its regular shit

>>14350845
>suddenly
It's an influx of Discord trannies and reddit rejects and it's hilarious.

>>14347433
>Did you ever look how fucking low it's rated on Goodreads?

I just checked and there is NO book in the series rated lower than 4.2/5 except the first one which is 3.88

Wht are you lying?

>>14351304
Calm down man. This is not reddit, you won't loose any karma for joking about hook nosed jews. That place completely destroyed your sense of humor.

Anything good with asian women getting dicked by white guys? Or large breasts, whores being put in their place, etc.

just saw Lynch's Dune tonight, it reminded me how wonderfully bizarre the whole setting is. I read the original a long time ago, should I just reread that or do the sequels turn out alright?

>>14352824
Don't be such a waste of space anon.

>>14352832
If you like the bizarre you should definitely read the sequels up through God Emperor.

>>14352832
Just avoid Brian Herbert's work and you'll be okay.

>>14352835
ok boomer

>>14352848
Oh yeah and try to improve your vocabulary.
You are on /lit after all.

>>14352857
Ok catamite.

>>14352838
>>14352840
thanks will do

>>14352863
Don't get mad anon, get better.

>>14352865
I would also recommend trying out his other work, especially short stories centered around ecology and how it influences us.

sorry ahead of time for requesting spoon.
I read neuromancer and tried to find a proper epub version of count zero.
>genesis library
>one pdf, converts to text shittily
>one epub in portuguese
>no sprawl encompassing book
>other two bad epubs i found through google
help please.

>>14352870
Lets Do Better

Neck yourself leftypol

>>14343619
Not sure if I'm in the right thread for this, but I've been thinking about starting a writing project.

I want to build a sci-fi universe that's set during a time where humans are capable of interstellar travel, mostly focusing around things like colonial expansion, interplanetary politics, war, the balkanization of spacefaring humanity, and first contact/war with an alien species.

All boilerplate sci-fi material, I know, but I want to put it together in a format like wikipedia - have pages dedicated to specific military conflicts, timelines of planets, persons of interest, etc.

I'm not sure if it would make for good storytelling, but I'm definitely not the only person who spends hours getting lost in a good wiki trawl. Any thoughts/opinions on this?

>>14352992
So you want to build a monument to autism? Go ahead anon. People will only read it to make fun of you, unless you're a great writer with a great imagination.

>>14353047
>So you want to build a monument to autism?
Pretty much. I wouldn't share it until I have a decent amount of pages, and by that point I might actually have a story to tell inside of that universe.

>>14343642
what is left after that?

>>14352929
are you retarded?

>>14353065
Works of art.

>>14343642
BASED

FUCK ADRIAN TCHAIKOVSKY
FUCK MARGARET ATWOOD
FUCK THE WITCHER BOOKS
FUCK YA
FUCK IDENTITY POLITICS...IN SPACE
FUCK MODERN DAY PUBLISHERS
FUCK BOOKS WRITTEN BY 'INFLUENCERS'

>>14353070
Uh. I used gen.lib.rus.ec til now.

>>14350553
book of the new sun
wheel of time
second apocalypse
way of kings
Gor
inb4 they're all shit

>>14352550
Soldier of the Mist
wizard knight
book of the new sun

>>14353273
>inb4 they're all shit
only two of them are

With the Christmas nearly upon us I would just like to point out that we should treat each better, with more compassion and understanding.
You know, in the spirit of Christmas.

>>14353273
>Gor
As in John Norman?
>way of kings
Two questions on that book; do I need to read previous books set in that world to enjoy this one, and is Sanderson as bad a writer as they say? Thanks again for the recommendations, added them to my list

>>14353506
>As in John Norman?
Yes.
>and is Sanderson as bad a writer as they say?
I don't think so. He is just stale, I'd say. He writes anime and his books have no controversies whatsoever. About what you'd expect from a mormon, can't even defend their own position. And yes, I you should start the stormlight archives by the first book.

>>14352992
Unless you have a medium for drawing attention to the lore, nobody will read it.

>>14353560
Thanks again mate

>>14348494
>How are Frank Herbert's books after book 1? I've only ever read Dune.
The second one is boring. I have the rest by Frank but yet to read them

>>14352254
In order:
Waldo Rabbit
Rise of the shadow rogue (stay away from other titles by the author)
Celestine Chronicles

Those are the ones I like and can recommend. Stay away from anything by Erik Vall and Logan Jacobs, they write a lot but I have yet to see anything even mediocre by them.

Extra:
Daniel Black
The series by Hondo Jinx are both above average
Edmund Hughes write some above average stuff as well (but I'd avoid windrunner).
The cleansing flame by J.A. Hudson, it's another pen-name from the guy who wrote the crimson queen, which became pretty popular as far as indie books go.

I can recommend more if you want, also some good family friendly stuff I haven't included here.

>>14352550
honestly, Lord of the Rings and the Silmarillion

>>14353506
way of kings is the first stormlight book, but its part of a larger Cosmere universe, i haven't read his mistborn series but the other Cosmere books aren't required reading. warbreaker is a nice novella but again unconnected. some dislike his style seemingly because he's popular, not great but not terrible

>>14351608
That's an interesting theme. I'm sure alastair reynolds wrote something about like that somewhere. I'd also like to know, if anyone has a recommendation that fits.

>>14353614

Warbreaker is not exactly unconnected since Vasher shows up on Roshar as "Zahel" and pretends to be an Ardent/sword instructor for reasons unknown.

>>14353628
right but he doesn't have a major role and unless he becomes a knights radiant in the coming books, its more of a cameo, also his sword is now carried by Szeth

>>14344548
That's his golf caddie.

>>14352832
>bizzare setting
It's just space middle east though.

>>14353614
Are the other Cosmere books worth reading at all, even just for continuities' sake?

>>14353689
i went in dry with way of kings and i was fine.
i like warbreaker a lot, Elantris was alright, Arcanum Unbounded is a bunch of short stories. haven't read mistborn or white sand yes

>>14353506
No, you don't need to read previous books. Yes, Sanderson is as bad as they say.

I have only read Way of Kings and I won't be reading anymore from Sanderson. The book is 800 of filler (including flashbacks for fuck sake), then 200 pages of reveals and twists, most of which I disliked. I thought that the voidbringer reveal was exceptionally awful. The MC for the first book is a mixture between the guy from Gladiator and Jesus Christ, and he is devoid of any semblance of a personality. The actual prose is very basic and a large portion of the book is filled with cliche conversations that are completely unnecessary. If you cut out the flashbacks and trimmed down the rest of the book, it would be a 6/10 read, the actual book is about a 2-3/10.

>>14353070
>all subrebbits
Nice touch

>>14353409
You just wanted to post your patreon thots, thank god it's too late for you to delete the pic, and the mods can ban your ass.

>>14353770
>Hehe no tits allowed in my SFF thread!

Imagine being this much of a faggot. I'm not the guy who posted the pic either.

>>14353778
I know you are a newfag, but I will humor you.
First, it's a blue board, i.e work safe, also we are on 4chennel, that is where Hiro put all the "work safe boards".
Second, I feel you are that anon that switched ip after you realized you fucked up, and couldn't delete the pic.

>>14353791
Actual fucking autism lmao. Imagine being a 4chan detective trying to get everyone who insults you banned. I am not that other OP, I just wrote the Sanderson hate post above.

>>14353802
Distracting won't help, newfag. Better pray to your deity of choice, cause you won't be able to post here for a while.

>>14353832
They will see the other posts on this IP and see that it wasn't me, autismo. Hunchbacked little cretin.

>>14352762
>I just checked and there is NO book in the series rated lower than 4.2/5 except the first one which is 3.88
You mean the one that most people read before they stopped reading, you fucking retard? I mean imagine being so stupid that you wrote this thinking it proves your point, when it proves the opposite.

>>14352775
ok nazi

Why is this thing memed to oblivion as the best fantasy fiction ever?

>>14352992
Pretty sure this already exists.

>>14353971
Because it is.

>>14353273
lmao can't tell if this is bait or simcere

>>14353954
even the fans admit the first book is the hardest to get through, mostly because the series dumps terms on the reader and only gives explanations later in the series. also what you said would only be valid if the 1st has by far more ratings the others(im not going to check im lazy)
>>14354044
why not both

>rivals who wanted to kill each other end up bonding by dping a thot who tried to turn them on each other
Best bros before hoes I read in a while

>>14354088
Dping a girl is inherently gay as fuck

>>14353954

You said they're rated extremely low and they demonstrably aren't. Literally none of them are, not a single one.

You lied.

>>14352992
Sounds like you want to create a shared world setting. Basically like a campaign setting.

Is The Second Apocalypse really worth reading or is it only popular here ironically/as counter-culture/ because it's "redpilled"?

>>14347172
>old good
>new bad
Why dont you accept that good books will always be a minority?
Even these old amazing books are one in a thousand in their own times

>>14354088
name of book?

>>14353791
>think about the advertisers!

>>14354301

I don't care about the politics of it all, but it is badly written from a purely technical standpoint.

Bakker seems to consider himself WAY smarter and deeper than he actually is and as a result is prose is turgid without being rich, boring without being vivid and pretentious without being layered.

Basically what you would get if an edgy 14 year old tried to write like Wolfe and GRRM at the same time.

>>14354301
yes, it is edgy but the content is good and a step above your average fantasy. its not really 'redpilled' it just doesn't inject modern sensibilities into a medieval world

>>14344422
I could never take Terry Goodkind seriously when he prefixes every goddamn action scene with "Richard felt his Thing rising".

any good books about tragic romances
wanna hurt myself tonight

It's the end of 2019 and I've run out of books to read. Recommend me your one top favorite book that you read this year.

>>14354459

The Three Body Problem.

I went into it with low expectations but god damn did it deliver.

>>14354479
kek

>>14354459
Altered Carbon
Good mystery and setting, perhaps a little predictable at times but still very enjoyable. Certainly better than the awful Netflix adaptation

Anyone heard of the exalted role playing game?
Ok, i wanna books with sun symbology, can be fantasy or sci fi

I don't like sci-fi.

>>14354493

Did you write that?

>>14354538
nope, i just googled the book

>>14354541

Don't let the review scare you away from a good book, that guy sounds insufferable as all hell."my sardonic humour"? Please.

>>14354532

That's okay, nobody here likes anything.

>>14354493
>to leave my sardonic humor aside
Kek.
>crazy rich asians being entertaining
Double kek and and on top of that he completely misses why CRA is disliked in China.
I hope no one takes brainlet takes like these serious.

>>14354501
I've watched the adaptation and actually enjoyed it.
Can I still go into the book or have I been soiled?

>>14354601
Book ending is a bit different from what I remember of the show, plus a few events play out differently during the story. I'd say give it a read regardless

Any books where its from the bad guys side, and their adventures you follow and their motivations you get to know? Or something where the good guys lose, or become the bad guys over time or the bad guys were the good guys this whole time? I think it would be cool if we follow the MC for half the book then he betrays and kills his copanions and was the main bad guy the whole time and we follow a side character who is the real MC from then on.

Everything in scifi and fantasy is the same shit. 1D baddies who always lose. I want evil to win sometimes

>>14354081
You're not going to check because you're a dishonest loser, and it does have fewer, by nearly half. #1 has 81k, and #2 has 51k.
>>14354177
Having a score under 4 for a mainstream fantasy book for normies is very low. It's basically like getting under 8 on IMDB as a TV show, it's pretty much guaranteed shit. And yeah, the first one is rated low, and it's the one normies were most likely to read.

>>14354644
>Or something where the good guys lose, or become the bad guys over time or the bad guys were the good guys this whole time?

You're not gonna this, but Mistborn.

>>14354698
Really?

>>14354698
>reading pozzed YA

>>14354698
If you have not read it, Chronicles of the Black Company are kinda like that. No one is really good or bad. its all just sorta grey.

>>14354735

Sadly, yes.

>>14354741

I never said it was good, but it does fit the bill.

>>14354750
meant for >>14354644

>>14354644
Prince of nothing, First law trilogy
>>14354645
as i said even fans say the 1st book is the hardest to get through and you're always going to get a drop of in rating as you move through a series, for example harry potter:
1= 4.47 6.2million
2= 4.41 2.4million
the 2nd and 3rd lotr books also only have 1/3 the ratings of the 1st

>>14354345
>Badly written

This anon must be trolling. Bakkers prose blows 99% of authors out of the water

>>14354802
For you

>>14354802

Post an excerpt here if you dare. Go on, I'm in the mood for a good laff.

I need some truly based sci-fi.

>>14354860
moon is a harsh mistress, mote in god's eye, starship troopers, lucifers hammer

>>14354860

Forever War, Stars My Destination, Stranger In A Strange Land

>>14354860
Against a Dark Background

>>14354942
>Forever War
redpilled by trying to be bluepilled, ironically this was written to be a counter point to troopers and just like the starship troopers movie it achieved the opposite. dont read the squeals, the first is good the others aren't.

any books with redhead waifus?

>>14355021
powder mage has a redheaded loli voodoo sorcerer. wheel of time has redheaded spear wielding amazons. Malazan has a thiccc redhead sorcerer and adjunct Lorn is redheaded(iirc). i'm sure there's more but thats all off the top of my head

>>14355068
>loli
based

>>14355021
Or books with based waifus in general.

>>14355068
>powder mage
Is the trilogy any good? Or cucked?

I would have liked this better as a kid.

>>14351826
The ending is really good.

>>14355102
there's females in it but its not cucked. think french revolution where some people can use gunpowder to fuel their magic, bending bullets or igniting powder from a distance

Can you recommend some good high fantasy books that aren't part of a series? I'm in the mood for some sword and sorcery adventure but don't really want to commit to a whole series.

>>14355021
Star Wars Thrawn Trilogy olololololololol

>>14355236
Curse of Chalion is technically part of a series but stands alone just fine. Comfy read.

Bump Limit

>>14351826
I DNF the first book around halfway, but everyone keeps raving about it so I'll try it again.

I hesitate to post this because I really don't want to derail the thread, but I'm genuinely curious: why are there so many lesbian relationships in so many SF and fantasy novels these days?

>>14355285
It doesn't matter at this point, there will be a new thread within an hour or two, or less.

>>14355285
most fantasy reader are liberal females
if you want to sell you better pander to them

>>14355236
Glen Cook, The Swordbearer.

>>14355285
>why are there so many lesbian relationships in so many SF and fantasy novels these days?
The world is fucking cucked by kikes anon. Jewish subversion has fucked everything. Enjoy your pozzed literature from now one. I hope you like interracial WE WUZ KANGZ shit authored by Jewish women from now on.

>>14355315
>most fantasy reader are liberal females
citation needed

>>14353770
I still hope that you will have a great Christmas in company of a refined, well read girl.

>>14353960

>>14354459
https://www.amazon.com/Ignition-Informal-History-Liquid-Propellants-ebook/dp/B076838QS2

>>14355285
Either a desire to demonstrate political wokeness, because it appeals to the author's fetishes, or in many cases both.

>>14355236
To Ride Hell's Chasm

Prob gonna get shit because it has a female author, but she's responsible for the Empire trilogy being more readable than anything else Feist has ever worked on

>>14355326
look at the fantasy bestseller lists

>>14355326
Considering the top selling fantasy is Harry Potter and urban fantasy romance or paranormal romance or whatever, left-skewing women are definitely the main readership. Cut that shit out and it's less true obviously.

>>14355382
Is this really any good?
I got burned by Twelve Kings in Sharakhai and I am kind of wary of fantasy written by females and male feminists.

>>14355285
Because female mcs sell, and this what you can just write a boy but call them a girl and handle it the exact same way as a male mc. Then reddit calls it brave, tumblr gives you 400 5 star reviews and you laugh your way all the way to the bank.

>read a few chapters of Regicide (2nd Completionist Chronicles book)
>literally rips off the concept of Sir Bearington
>doesn't even change the name
Hmm.

>>14355400
Not that anon but have read it. It's ok, nothing too political that I can remember offhand, but nothing special. Fairly typical outsider must save the day fare, with a writing style some people will like but I found to be overly self-indulgent wordiness for wordiness' sake. If you're reading a standalone by a femoid fantasy author, Curse of Chalion which someone mentioned a bit earlier is likely the better choice.

>>14355409
You really give them too much credit.
The paradox of oppressive incompetence always baffles me.

>>14355409
Yeah I wouldn't want to write about the protagonist sucking cocks and getting reamed. Just write a male protagonist, label it as female, and watch as lusting after waifus is no longer "male gaze" but rather "brave and unapologetic in her own sexuality"

here's your Lan, bro.

>>14355456
Congrats on proving yourself correct with a false premise.