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The one thing going for the simulation horseshit is, this universe might very well be written in FORTRAN by physics grad students.

>>14333517
Imagine appealing to the authority of a woman on matters you're not smart enough to think through yourself. Al.ost as bad as paying attention to Kurzweil

"The universe is a simulation" is literally just atheists struggling with the concept of faith in God
There is no concrete way to say whether the entire universe as a whole is "real" or "fake" in the strict empiricist view they're all arguing from, it makes no sense on any level

>>14333957
it's more the scientistic bugman having the speculative philosophical impulse hinting at something more but then refusing to pick up a single book from the tradition because they're trained to think metaphysics bad and so instead butchers it like this.

>>14333517
>It’s just not based on well-defined probabilities. The argument says you’d have lots of things that want to simulate us
that's not even the argument though. the probabilities (although indeterminate) are quite well defined

>>14334019
>>14333957
no it isn't, it is a simple mathematically inspired hypothesis based on probability.

>>14334037
There is no framework to make a probabilistic statement about anything beyond our own universe except through faith.
Facts cannot be said to be known or unknown on any subject beyond the context of this universe. Anyone telling you otherwise is lying.

>>14334064
The context of the universe is only known to someone through their intuition of space and time. The perceptual stew amount to nothing but a pruned probability tree.

>>14333517
Not so fast Lisa, the actual question is more contingent on whether emergence is in fact an inescapable phenomenon of organisational complexity as opposed to specifically bio mechanical processes. It could be that qualia is simply an inescapable component of complex cognition. It could be that all complex algorithms have a spontaneously formed consciousness. Subsequently this entire universe and all human life could be an unintended side effect of us trying to solve some basic problem on a different plane. Likewise even OUR computers might have some primitive ersatz consciousness already.

>>14334152
The theory of probability is nothing but a gambit to replace complex systems with simple, interchangeable processes. This is fine for control engineering, but makes for shit metaphysics.

>>14334177
I think people get distracted by the electromechanics of modern computers. You could also make a digital computer out of a whole bunch of toilets; will you now start speculating about whether the city water infrastructure is a nascent consciousness?

>>14333957
>>14334019
pretty much what I was going to say

>>14334152
>it's all relative, maaan
you're gay