/lit/ - Literature

>>14310643
Go on. I've always thought evolution lacking but wasn't sure why

>>14310643
You don't understand what evolution is anon. However I must agree that it is extremely lacking, that does not make it untrue.

>>14310643
Imagine being such a brainlet that you don’t understand how evolution works, and think of it as anything but a fundamental fact - seeing the world through the eyes of a retard must be wild

>>14310678
its enitrely unfalsifiable since it doesnt have a reference point. sound familiar?

>infalsifiabiltiy of utilitarianism
>most empiricism

>>14310693
>>14310696
>defending unfalsifiability

go watch a ted talk.

>>14310643
BASED. I believe evolution, but I like skeptics of it for some reason.

>>14310643
>the state of /lit/

>>14310678
for instance look at pic rel, same with human appendix, they first call it vestigial and then revision it, many such cases. Unfalsifiable!

Evolution is an observation. Evolution by natural selection is a primary theory explaining part of the mechanisms by which evolution functions.

>>14310712
No. That would be a prime example of the process of falsification. They readjusted their opinions in the face of contrary evidence. That is exactly what scientists should do.

>>14310707
Cope, evolution can't even be falsified.

>>14310678
appendinx was considered vestigial for 100years, not that that gnoseological bubble is bursting they just revision it

www.livescience.com/10571-appendix-fact-promising.html

>No less than Charles Darwin first suggested that the appendix was a vestigial organ from an ancestor that ate leaves, theorizing that it was the evolutionary remains of a larger structure, called a cecum, which once was used by now-extinct predecessors for digesting food.

>>14310728
>They readjusted their opinions in the face of contrary evidence.

they can readjust everthing and it all fits. HOW CONVINIENT! Sounds like the most PERFECT theory! NICE!

>>14310728
>They readjusted their opinions in the face of contrary evidence.

COULD IT JUST HAPPEN THAT THEY DONT EVEN HAVE A SOLID GROUND TO STAND ON THAT YOU CAN TRY TO FALSIFY!!!????

and this mytholgical bs goes even further into a meme field of evolutionary psychology...

>we are evolving and adapting
>intelligence is an adaptive trait
>therefore we expect that intelligence will rise
>turns out it dropped
>praise thee evolutionary wisdom for making us adaptible by stupidity!!!!

>>14310643
trying to shoehorn the material reality into the non-material spiritual realm is the highest form of blasphemy against god, prove me wrong

>>14310760
mental gymnastics will rot your brain.

>>14310773
the one doing gymnastics is the one trying to reconcile two incommensurate quantities and having to invent secular reasons why secular science is false
to quote paul in 1 Corinthians 15:42-49:
>So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

>>14310799
>trying to reconcile two incommensurate quantities

what are you babbling about you moron? My criticism of evolution is enitrely secular and based on gnoseology, have you even read my post or posted in reflexes?

Ragarding theological argument (not that theological and "scientific" worlds are paralel universes as you think), I can play that game also - show your best mental gym of Genesis 1. Humanist pussy.

>>14310643
All the grains, fruits and vegetables you've ever eaten are the products of evolution. Every dog breed out there is a product of evolution.
These are examples of Man guiding the natural evolutionary processes that exist in nature. True natural selection is based on survival and reproduction, rather than desired outcomes planned in advance by man. The differences from one generation to the next arise through random mutation, and whether or not these mutations are beneficial or a hindrance is dictated ultimately by the environment.
Anon, it's really not that hard of a concept, and to be perfectly honest it's not considered "just a theory" anymore. You state that there are constant revisions (which is pretty retarded, it's called progress) but there has never been anything which contradicts the fundamentals of the concept.

>>14310830
>All the grains, fruits and vegetables you've ever eaten are the products of evolution. Every dog breed out there is a product of evolution.
>These are examples of Man guiding the natural evolutionary processes that exist in nature. True natural selection is based on survival and reproduction, rather than desired outcomes planned in advance by man. The differences from one generation to the next arise through random mutation, and whether or not these mutations are beneficial or a hindrance is dictated ultimately by the environment.

this reads like a religious text, read my post again - CAN IT BE FALSIFIED AND HOW!!!!????

>>14310643
Why is this board so full of rightwing retards?

>>14310849
>I FCK LOOOOOOOOOOOVE SCIENCE

go away.

>>14310811
peak contrarianism

>>14310643
>>14310845
FOOTFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH

>>14310937
>implying the second ones aren't hotter

>>14310643
It's a complete myth, only adaptation makes sense which should be blindingly obvious to anyone. It's literally just enlightenment propaganda that came out of atheists forging their own creation myth.

Why did you think this was a literature thread, retard

>>14310982
Where should it be? /sci/? Darwinism is an ideology not a science.

>>14310849
People finally got bored of being edgelords on /pol/ and figured the next place full of "rational discussion" would be /lit/. You can tell it's different than people from /lit/ with more right wing views because their posts sound like >>14310862

>>14310981
>only adaptation makes sense which should be blindingly obvious to anyone

noone sane doubts adaptation - adaptation is easy to prove empirically, its the adaptation x 5billion years I have my doubts about.

>>14311000
>People finally got bored of being edgelords on /pol/ and figured the next place full of "rational discussion" would be /lit/. You can tell it's different than people from /lit/ with more right wing views because their posts sound like >>14310862 (You)

it was a deserving response to a smuggie post, many sci people are anti-intellectual cultists.

>>14310643
Evolution, besides being well demonstrated, is an excellent explanation for why Negroes differ from Jews and both differ from Europeans. Little wonder that they want to discredit it now that established religion has been gutted.

>>14310849
Modern left wing people do not sincerely agree with evolution or biological determinism because if they did they would be transphobic and ethnonationalistic

>>14311035
>evolution or biological determinism
These are completely separate. While believing in the latter would make your statement true, believing in the former does not necessitate a belief in biological determinism.

>>14311029
>Little wonder that they want to discredit it now that established religion has been gutted.

total oversimplification, evolution/science worshippers are mostly liberal transhumanists. You can make arguments pro racism without the unfalsifiable myth of evolution.

>what is curse of Cain

I have never once seen a convincing argument against evolution from somebody who had a good understanding of it. If you read an introductory biology textbook all of these concerns are very neatly addressed.
Christianity also isn't at all incompatible with evolution. God still needs a method to enact His will on creation, and there's no reason his method can't be this one. This guy >>14310760 was right, the entire universe isn't magic because God exists. God made the rules of the game to get it to his desired outcome, only retarded American Protestants think the entire world is in a constant magical flux of God dicking around with it.

>>14310643
1) How the fuck is this literature? You didn't even add the obligatory "books for this?" part.
2) You just don't understand evolution. You don't understand falsification. I know this sounds like a cop out but I don't feel like explaining the whole of evolutionary theory to you, since I really don't care that much if you remain a retard or are educated on the subject.
But simply put, all you need is genetics and mutation (there is tons of evidence of this), and natural selection (this can be observed in insects, bacteria, and creatures which reproduce so quickly as to adapt within human lifespans). Natural selection also just makes so much sense a child in middle school biology class can understand it. Mutations that are adaptive live, others die. Repeat this process for billions of years and trillions of iterations and you get different things.
3) Abiogenesis is not evolution. Evolutionary theory (btw "theory" doesn't mean there isn't mountains of evidence for it) makes no comment on how the first self-replicating thing got there, but rather how it self-replicates and mutates.

>>14311080
I would like to add:
4) You can believe in God and the metaphysical reality and still believe in evolution, as I do.
see >>14310760.

>>14310643
If someone thinks that our toes are going away just because "hurr durr, dey not usful" are retarded beyond belief. There is no reason why the genes that code for toes should disappear. People who say this are 100 times worse than any creationist. I've never had a creationist start talking about evolution with me and challange me on basic fundementals within the field of biology, they know that a lot of people won't accept their reality and are fine with that, but these slack-jawed smooth-brains have done this. You don't need an IQ above 145 to understand this shit.

>>14310737
Are you my grandmother on facebook? Im getting so uncanny vibes here. I think i saw my elderly aunt share something like this quite recently

>>14311058
Yo, im being honest here, you should kill yourself. You are just too stupid to live on, im sorry, im sorry little one shhhhhhhhshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHH ITLL ALL BE OVER SOON

>>14311271
>Are you my grandmother on facebook?
>14311109
>4) You can believe in God and the metaphysical reality and still believe in evolution, as I do.
>>14311074
>Christianity also isn't at all incompatible with evolution.

you lot are incapable of any analytical thought if Christianity is the first thing you thing about when someone mentions critiques of evolutionary mythology - that tells you "think" with your periferal NS, not CNS, with reflexes and conditioning instead of analitics. You are anti-intellecutal and cult like. Learn what is gnoeseology you total brainfarts.

SO SO TIRESOME.

>>14311191
>"hurr durr, dey not usful"

yeah, but this is evolutioanary MO, use it or loose, another issue entirely is that all the final judgements on "usefull" are made in this time frame of limited knowledge which is the gnoseological absurdity of evolution.

>>14311289
>Yo, im being honest here, you should kill yourself. You are just too stupid to live on, im sorry, im sorry little one shhhhhhhhshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHHHHH ITLL ALL BE OVER SOON

the fact that evolutionary mythologists are extremely anti-intelelctual doesnt surprise me but it does make me tired.

i don't know if evolution is real or not, but i do know that bug men who believe in it undyingly are the biggest faggots i've ever come across. if we apply the based/cringe razor, their arguments fall apart simply because of how gay and bug-like they are.

>>14311354
>bug men who believe in it undyingly are the biggest faggots i've ever come across

you are not alone.

how much chad rage you feel from looking at pic rel?

>>14310830
>The differences from one generation to the next arise through random mutation, and whether or not these mutations are beneficial or a hindrance is dictated ultimately by the environment.

Utterly meaningless conjecture. The differences from one generation to the next arise through fascism, and whether or not these mutations are beneficial or a hindrance is dictated ultimately by trannies. Prove me wrong. You can't.

>>14311312
>use it or loose
A gene is passed down from generation to generation based on if someone with the gene reproduces. This is a really simple version of how evolution works, but it's enough information to understand that you need to prevent the person with the gene from reproducing to prevent that gene from passing on. You could also get someone to mate with someone who has another gene that would occupy the same space.
For example, if you have bloodtype A with the A gene occupying both sides of your DNA string, and were to mate with someone with bloodtype B with both sides of that persons DNA being having the gene that codes for B, then your child would have blood type AB 100% of the time. The thing to remember here is that everyone has toes, everyone has genes that code for toes, there is no reason for the genes that code for toes to disappear. If there was something that made people with normal toes less successful than people with smaller toes in reproducing, then we would see a trend of smaller toes. But there is no such thing, therefore anyone who says that "we will lose our toes" is a retard that should be shunned.

>>14310643
do you think all beings were created in their present state by a higher being?