/lit/ - Literature

>>14294363

jakob bohme

>>14294738
b&r

>>14294363
Later, you should explore ancient greek mythology, I can only imagine you would love it. A lot of the christian symbolism draws from ancient greek tradition.

>>14294738
Meant to say *Bohme rather than Blake in OP, though I know Blake too...
>>14294770
I do in fact love it. Classics is my minor. I have been quite enjoying some modern Italians a lot lately. Agamben and Calasso are quite pleasing.

>>14294363
>I want a green feminist christian socialist spiritual renaissance
pseudo-damaris' mystical memes is that you??

>>14294363
But is this really what Christianity is? I'm pretty sure those countless Italian grandmas with their Marian kitsch are closer to what the faith is than this convoluted super-intellectualism

>>14295088
Different strokes for different folks. Some of us just have a huge boner for this symbology stuff. It is somewhat of a left-hand path. Selling your devil to the soul

>>14295088
>>14295132
Any comprehensive teaching that purports to be Christian, whilst neglecting, or ignoring, the Telos and/or ontology of Sofia, is most probably either: judeochristian, or pseudochristian, if it is any kind of teaching at all.

>>14294363

i'm still waiting on someone to provide a decent entry point into orthodox theology. everyone knows catholic and protestant dogma whether they want to or not, i've already researched gnosticism, so where do i go to learn about orthodox tradition?

>>14295694
https://orthodoxwiki.org/Main_Page

>>14295694

The only way to understand Orthodoxy is to attend divine liturgy

>>14295694
The Philokalia - Nicodemus the Hagiorite & Macarius of Corinth
A Commentary on the Divine Liturgy - Nicholas Cabasilas
The Experience of God, Vol.1-6 - Dumitru Stăniloae

>>14294363
Not as rigorous, but read John Lamb Lash's Made in His Image. It's part of the plasmapill starter pack.

>>14294363
Im just pissed off that Orthodoxytards are trying to appropriate my Gnostic Aesthetics. Its just as bad as right wing Fascists calling themselves "Socialists"

Try the Rosicrucians

>>14296257
wtf is the plasma pill? post the chart

>>14295647
How so? Sophia is mentioned in two books of the Bible. Very obscure teaching. Is it really as core as you think?

>>14295647
Holy Wisdom is Jesus Christ, not some mystical platonic female

>>14296731
One day I will. But it's:

Electric Universe Theory
aryanism.net
John Lamb Lash - Not in His Image
Jacques LeCarriere - The Gnostics
Marguerite Yourcenar - The Abyss
Ken Wheeler's work

and god prob more I'm forgetting

>>14294363
>heresy

>>14296831
Jesus is Sophias male counterpart dumbass.

This is why Orthodoxytards should refrain from talking about and appropriating Gnostic Aesthetics. They are way too advanced for feeble minded Hylics such as yourself. You guys were so threatened by the Pacifist Gnostics you had to kill them off

>>14294363
Is this the guy that wrote that really interesting review of Laudato Si?

How do you synthesize all the different forms of Christianity, all the different gospels and beliefs? I'm quite the indecisive person in general, and this shit just drives me crazy. I love Jesus, and I want to know how best to serve and love him. Any input is appreciated.

>>14297364
Best serve him by following what he said himself, Love God and Love thy neighbour.
Dont listen to an "Orthodox" Church to get your interpretation of scripture.
And you only really need to delve into Esoteric/Gnostic Christianity if it clicks with you. But the Exoteric teachings are designed for everyone

>>14297373
I was reading about Marcion the other day and some other early church gnostic teachings, and it honestly piqued my interest quite a bit. I don't mean to presume that I know more than countless theologians, but it honestly made a lot of sense. I'm also partial to the idea that the Gospel of the Lord is the so called Q source. I've yet to read any actual books on the subject, I've just been perusing through wiki articles.

>>14297380
Marcionism is an interesting stream of Christianity. Its basically Sethian Gnosticism but without the Esoteric/Gnosis part (Which was the best part imo).

But do you really think Jesus cares what label you give yourself in regards to the branches of Christianity, as long as you are someone who gives to the poor and renounces physical wealth.

The different "branches" of Christianity only really served to stir up hatred between Christians, causing them to Judge each other and tell eachother that the other sect was going to hell. The Church ended up killing everyone who didn't agree with their specific interpretation of Jesus's teachings, some very Anti-Christian tenancies.

>>14297392
Do you have any recommendations on books that are a good starting point for learning more about Gnosticism and esoteric Christianity? Also, I suppose you are right, that as long as I love God and everyone/thing on earth, and try to help out in any way I can, than Jesus will be pleased.

One thing that confuses me however, is what forms of worship are acceptable. I know idolatry is generally not accepted among a lot off denominations, and there's even more controversy around Mary I'd say. Yet, for some reason, whenever I look at images of Mary and Jesus (while listening to music under the influence of certain things), I feel sorrowful, but I also feel an overwhelming sense of comfort. Maybe it's because my mother died when I was young, but the idea that Mary is my heavenly mother who loves me (which I don't know if that's true, she could hate me I suppose) is honestly enough to bring me to tears.

>>14297392
Then what do you do with bad actors that work to destroy what is good?

>>14297416
For Esoteric/Gnosticism you could read either The Nag Hammadi texts, or "The Gnostic Bible".

But they will be tricky to understand properly if you dont have a background in Platonic/Neoplatonic Philosophy, because Gnosticism was just Platonism mixed with Christianity & a bit of Zoroastrianism.

You should definitely start by reading the Gospel of Thomas though, thats one book that scholars believe can definitely be traced back to the original Jesus and his disciples.
heres a good site:

http://gnosis.org/welcome.html
http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gosthom-meyer.html
As for the correct form of worship, its hard to say, go with how you interpret the bible. Generally its better to avoid iconography at all of the Prophets/Saints, but it isnt that bad as long as you arent worshipping the literal images.

There is a common debate about that between Sunni and Shia Muslims as well, Shias are fine with depicting Prophets as long as you arent worshipping the image itself. Sunnis dont make depictions at all

>>14297423
I mean, Jesus said to turn the other cheek didnt he?

The Gnostics, embodying this to the fullest extent, didnt even fight back against the persecution by the church

>>14297435
I really appreciate all the recommendations and help you've given me. I'll definitely check out those sites/books. I would exactly say I'm worshiping the images. I guess I'm more so using the images to facilitate the thoughts of them in my mind. I hope you don't mind me asking another question, but is it wrong to think about Mary or other saints in a spiritual way? Not necessarily praying, I don't know to explain it honestly.

>>14296742
>Sophia is mentioned in two books of the Bible.
It is no surprise that the judeochristian bible does not have extant, or virtually any, reference to Sofia, because revelation of the Telos, and ontology, of Sofia - particularly in the instance of her being the virgin mother of the original Aryans - with entailing reconciliation of her aspected personifications present in mythology, to the masses, would render the judeochristian system obsolete, and cause a disturbance in the zionist worldcolony.

>>14296831
Wisdom is of the Holy Spirit, which is present in both: Jesus Christ, and Sofia.

>>14298397
beyond based. where is the image from? it's beautiful.

>>14298560
This artist's name is Hugo Reinhold Karl Johann "Fidus" Höppener.

>>14298623
Thank you based trip. I'd love it if you could upload a reading list one of these days for advanced readers