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Stoics were tryhards. There is only one way to ease suffering in this life, and that is through a full submission to one's hedonistic and lustful urges. I would recommend all those who are hopeless, defeated, or otherwise ruined to read the works of Epicurius and the erotic poetry of Catullus.

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>>14290479
A full submission to such animal urges would be a limitation of one's ability to do good. The sexual drive is natural and undeniable, but to allow oneself to be controlled by lust, or any hedonism, would be to lock oneself in an inescapable prison.

I support the stoicism because it has helped myself and others I know. Hedonism may provide pleasure, but at what cost? Ethics aside it provides no means to an end, no means to self betterment, and no certain solution to problems one faces. Self indulgence has its applications though and is a valuable philosophy for some I might concede.

>>14290479
whores are hideous in the most concrete and literal possible sense

>>14290500
>imblying the body is not a prison already

>>14290508
Believing the body is a prison is self-immolation and defeatism. Christian spiritualism has been a heinous influence on western philosophical character.

>>14290517
Christianity does conflict with western culture and character, but it has benefits in grounding and keeping one stable under great stress.

>>14290524
This stability should not stem from the empty faith of christianity, but rather from a philosophical education, as well as the presence of a supportive extended family and a benevolent state.

>>14290506
care to extrapolate?

>>14290538
the more they show off their bodies, the uglier they become
sluttiness is a disgusting quality

>>14290531
I agree that what one learns through spirituality should ground them, but is it not a postmodernist shift in culture that causes faith to be empty? Postmodernism being relative existence and reality, it should make sense that society would reject ancient constructs in favor of their own. Using this as a topic element of spiritual shift and increasing secularism, I can see why OP’s mention searched for alternative methods of inspiration such as voluntary mental illness. Therefore, using a postmodernist outlook one must find what allows them happiness whilst also balancing what follows their moral constructs.

>>14290508
the mind isn't necessarily

>>14290549
>female beauty is a disgusting quality
found the lad growing up to be a uhh "confirmed bachelor"

Blessed thread for all sick anons, God bless you OP.

>>14290562
that's not female beauty, female beauty is looking like that and also not feeling the need to degrade yourself by showing it to strangers

>>14290556
You misunderstand. I would argue that that christian spiritualism and postmodern nihilism and absurdism are extremely similar, in that both of these philosophical traditions rely upon essentially "empty" professions of faith either in absolutely nothing or in a god-figure. Although the objects that these traditions centralize on are different, in practice they are quite similar, in that humankind is viewed as bug-like and defeated, at the whim of some greater power.

>>14290584
Ah I understand, so you’re saying no matter which view, only central components are different whereas they share the belief of minuscule human life?

>>14290575
>"that's not female beauty!!!"
>it's an episode where virtue is confused for beauty
it's okay anon. it's okay to admire the human body.

>>14290452
why are alleged stoics like this anon so cringe and anti-human? can you explain that one to me OP?

>>14290479
What if you don't experience sexual desire?

>>14290591
Essentially. Both postmodernism and spiritualism rely upon blind, and in my view false, faith.

>>14290605
then consider yourself blessed. surely however you still appreciate the artistic/aesthetic beauty of the well-turned human form in a purely platonic sense?

>>14290613
Yes, and I desire romantic relationships, however, I do not wish to have sex with those I love.

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>>14290500
I stated in the linked post that lust and other hedonistic pursuits are undeniable, and thus moral. But one shouldn't let themselves be controlled purley by desire, as this would limit their ability to aid their fellow man, participate in society, etc.

>>14290620

Go see a sexuologist if you haven't already. I have a friend who felt the same way for years and got over it pretty quickly. Now he has a normal sex-life. Shit is wild.

Seriously the prognosis is pretty good.

>>14290623
>one shouldn't let themselves be controlled purley by desire
is that even possible? i mean short of some physical deformity of the brain that causes compulsive sexual behavior. are you sure aren't just throwing out moralizing cautions against no real danger?

>>14290620
then im sorry anon, that sounds horrible. i'd seek professional help to find out what i find so repulsive about sex or the sexual organs.

>>14290606
I understand that viewpoint. Very interesting. I believe that religion holds value to some and let it be because it’s not my place to tell other people who they are, but your viewpoint is solid and valid.

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>>14290638
It's not really awful, I mainly just feel lonely because I don't have anyone to be romantic with. I've never really had sexual thoughts about those I feel romantically inclined to, they just feel wrong, and when I think about sex, whether the idea of myself or another person having it, it just fills me with a sense of revulsion. Even when I find out an acquaintance has sex and desires it, it's like I can't relate to them, and I feel an immense disappointment in them.

>>14290638
The danger is twofold.

First, the physical danger of mental (and perhaps physical) reliance on sexual activity (most likely masturbation, in the case of many), and the overt and complete sexualization of "romantic" partnerships, which may lead to an inability to create and sustain a truly cohesive and appreciable relationship.

Secondly, a society completely and utterly dependent on any one form of hedonism is a controlled, doubtlessly authoritarian society. If we spend all day captivated by desire, then what time do we have for societal participation, the building of community, etc.?

>>14290657

>when I find out an acquaintance has sex and desires it, it's like I can't relate to them, and I feel an immense disappointment in them.

This is why you should seek help. Not because there's something inherently wrong with the way you feel but because it will (continue to) isolate you.

It's a hard step but do it man. Seriously.

>>14290657
This disappointment likely stems from a self-insinuated ashamedness of sexual desire. Were you raised in a family that severely degraded sex as a concept?

>>14290664
And what could possibly be done about it?

>>14290676
Not at all. I just kind of have a disdain for it that I developed because I don't understand it.

>>14290663
good answer. i concede and would amend my first post statement to remove the word 'full'. nothing further.

>>14290677

I have no idea, I'm no expert. I have, however, seen someone close to me overcome this very problem through simple therapy. I didn't ask for details because it seemed too personal. It really changed him for the better.
tl:dr; I don't know, go see someone who does.

>>14290714
I feel like your friend must have had some sexual desire already, because if a sex therapist can do that, they could make you gay or straight or whatever if they wanted. I don't experience sexual desire, it's not a mental illness, it's just the way I am.

>>14290479
>full submission to one's hedonistic and lustful urges.
if you want to feel like a useless piece of meat

>>14290754

Maybe so, still might be worth a try. At least you'll know.

>>14290794
I just don't really see the point.

>>14290814

As you said you desire a normal romantic relationship. These don't exist without sex.
That would be the point.

>>14290828
I'd be willing to put up with it if I had to, I would be more concerned about my dislike of other people having sexual feelings. But like I said, I don't know how this could be resolved, it's not like it's a choice or based on delusion or belief. It's just the lack of something. You can't make something from nothing.

>>14290855
why are autists so fucking annoying. they self-sabotage themselves and distrust any kind of help even when offered by close friends. they are determined to fucking self-destruct and cannot be convinced to even TRY to help themselves. fucking roaches all of them.

>>14290948

Yeah that's the biggest problem with helping people; getting them to take it.
This guy's condition is probably resolvable but he keeps himself in this thought-loop which might keep him impaired for years to come, maybe forever. Sad, really.

>>14290963
It's not a condition. You're acting like it's a mental disorder or something. How would you even "treat" it?

>>14290985
By going to a fucking therapist.

>inb4 I don't trust that / I don't need it / I don't think it works
fucking PEAK dunning-kreuger is i think what bothers me so much about this kind of retard

>>14290985

It's an abnormality, I don't know if it is a mental disorder, that all depends on the individual case.
And again, I'm not a sexologist, I don't know how you would treat it, even if I were one I wouldn't be able to because I don't know your specific case. But there are people out there who treat (this is not a bad word) people like you every day with good results.

>>14291008
And how would a therapist do that? Therapists cannot create desires in people, they're not magicians.

>>14291015
Sexologists can't work with what doesn't exist, they help people overcome anxieties about sex. I don't desire it, it's a totally different thing from what they do.

>>14291036

>Therapists are not magicians

They heal people without touching them or giving them meds. They're the closest thing to magician on the planet.

>>14291050
There's nothing to heal, and nevertheless, there are many mentalities that therapists cannot treat. Like I said, it's like thinking a therapist can make a gay man straight.

>>14291061
>I'm disgusted by sex
>but I want romantic relationships
>I'm asking for help
>no I don't think that would work
>I'm fine there's nothing to heal
fucking autists I fucking swear and I told you fucking so right here >>14291008

You could talk to this retard for a decade and he would not change one iota.

>>14291069
Where did I say I was asking for help?

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>>14290677
>And what could possibly be done about it?

>inb4 t-that's not me...

>Why would one purposefully wish upon themselves the captivity of their faculties and clear consciousness?

Brainwashing and religious insanity (pic related)

>>14290479
>Stoics were tryhards
lel

>>14290502
>the stoicism

>Look at me, I'm a goy now

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>>14290663
stay salty

>>14291736
based demoniac cooming pervert

>>14290479
yikes

>>14290452
Stoicism was debunked by Hegel. It’s a cope philosophy

>>14290479
>girl
cringe

Do you guys think there is a particularly close relation between the Roman spirit and Stoicism? I am reading about Lucretius and apparently Stoicism was the leading philosophical school back then.

>>14293281

What did this charlatan say about estoicism?

>>14293281
Hegel, who primarily focused on metaphysics and ontology, has no bearing on stoicism.

>>14293538
>Do you guys think there is a particularly close relation between the Roman spirit and Stoicism?
Absolutely. Rome never fell really. Stoic values were adopted by Roman Catholics. They're unironically why Protestants are such fucking workaholics.