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All I know is I hate anyone who sides with accelerationism and loves the fruits of modernity. Being from a third world country, this basically means I hate right wingers who wish we could be more like the US and hate left wingers who talk about communism but whose consuming habits, travel habits, friendship making and sustaining habits and other relevant lifestyle choices paint them as the perfect targets of contemporary advertising and consumption. In other words, I'm slowly going insane due to not liking anyone around me.

I decided my political leanings before reading and just stuck with it. It just turned out that my political leanings were correct

>>14267738
There are people like you anon, never give up the idea that you can be free from both the grasps of Western Neo-Colonialism and the Neo-Liberals LARPing as Communists exporting trash Western ideas like intersectionality.

Sankara never gave up, Ho Chi Minh never gave up and you shouldn't either.

Go out and find people like you, I did and I found meaning in my life.

>>14267719
I'm honestly not sure. I think it was arguments that affected me the most, but I've only ever really learned stuff from reading. So I guess I pick up information from reading, but don't fully assimilate it until I see how it can be applied practically, or how it is more logical than other points of view. There are many things which I have read and swiftly forgotten, presumably because they were unable to leave a lasting impression in the way a strong argument that defeats preexisting notions would.

>>14267719
Ho Chi Minh was never a liberal though... He despised Western Hypocrisy and he was already far left before he ever returned to Vietnam.

To answer your question, the majority of cases I've seen where major leaders of the past settled on an ideology came as a result of compromise through many factors.

>>14267719
I did more to circumstance (Marxist, but more sympathetic to left-nationalism). It was mostly personal experience, since most of the writers I read are either apolitical or at least conservative, if not reactionary. Maybe that's where I get the nationalist part in me.

>>14267760
Not the annon you replied to, but he’s basically talking about people like you. You wouldn’t want to live in Vietnam or any other 3rd world communist country because as soon as you touch ground it is nothing like the fantasies your favorite Marxist postulated in his philosophy. You’re basically larping as an revolutionary and attributing to the same degenerate nihilistic neo-liberal lifestyle you claim to be against. Because only in a neo-liberal western society where you can larp as a communist without being killed for it, or the government knocking on your door.

>>14267985
>left leaning nationalist
>Marxist
So you be sayin

YOU BE A NATIONAL SOCIALIST?

>>14267738

Where are you from, anon? I'm an American from a rural agrarian community who went to college in one of the most progressive cities in the country. I feel like I have way more in common with my family-oriented immigrant coworkers in terms of day-to-day values than any of the middle class suburbanites I interact with.

>>14267719

Reading (and I count 4chan with this) has had a tremendous impact on my political and personal philosophy. Anyone who just accepts dogmatically what they were handed as a child is handicapping their mental abilities stymieing their personal growth.

>>14268029
we have to defeat der ewige judeboomer at any cost

>>14267738
>All I know is I hate anyone who sides with accelerationism and loves the fruits of modernity.

That Mike Ma guy and those like him come to mind. They hate the world, but seem to have no qualms with consuming its decadent creations. He seems to be a LARPing as one more than anything. A real accelerationist should be a terrifying individual

>>14268088

On the subject of LARPing, does anyone else find it entertaining that the cohort most likely to use a term like "cultural appropriation" (i.e. white Millennial women with middle class backgrounds) are also the ones most likely to be indulging in consumerized yoga and spouting Sanskrit?

Anyone who takes political ideology seriously is a maniac deserving of nothing but ridicule and contempt.

Before asking what kind of ideology you should have, ask yourself what it means to be a political actor. In any country, there's a semi-clear ruling class which makes decisions: are you part of this class? If not, why does it matter what fantasy is going on in your head? If so, then what specific goals do you want to achieve and why?

In order to be a political actor, you need enough capital to be self-sufficient. So buying a chunk of land should be first on your list of priorities. If this is truly impossible where you live, then revolution is likely imminent and you'll do best by aligning yourself with the military: which as a class is always the deciding factor in revolutions. Assuming you can buy land, it's now a question of building local prestige and influence and attaining some office. Once you've done this you basically get to write the rules.

You'll notice none of this involves joining your local communist militia and staying up till 3am smoking pot while talking about the perfect society with cute college girls you're going to fuck. If that's what you want to do, do it, but save us the self righteous bullshit. The only ideology you should join is whatever is the dominate one in your society. Even then, take it with a grain of salt, otherwise you'll become not only inflexible but insufferable to boot.

Read Spengler and Stirner OP. Then Kissinger, Junger, and Tocqueville. The idea that there is a "true" "you" which "truly" "belongs" to any ideology is ridiculous, and the result of a long line of western thought which is omnipresent in every ideology to the point of being axiomatic. Read Ibn Arabi.

>>14268544
holy fuck based

>>14267719
>How does one come to find out which Political Ideology he truly belongs to?
If you have no political power, the power to force people to live how you want under a threat of violence, your opinions on politics are meaningless. Having opinions without having power is but signalling who's bitch you'd like to become. Unmanly.
Watch over your personal interests first. Yours only. Only then think how you'd like to achieve them and what society is needed for that.
For example, if you clearly tell yourself you want to steal other people's shit and have chattel slaves, and you are willing to risk being enslaved or killed yourself, communism is waiting for you. Best of all, you will be so much more influential and successful than the useful idiots who bandwagon with no understanding of their personal needs except for validation from strangers or daddy issues or whatever.
Your personal freedom and your personal property, what do you want of them? Work from there.

I was a communist because I grew up in a Turd World communist shithole and was bombarded with propaganda from an early age on how we will soon reach the society of total leisure and equality, just have patience young comrade and go slave away for like 200 dollars a month. If you are dirt poor, being equal with somewhat well off guys is an extremely satisfying proposal. It was only in my mid-twenties that I understood the system of useful idiots charmed by fairy-tales while being exploited by literal slavers preaching equality and justice for all, is of have a bit more patience and work even more dear comrade - by accidentally observing the nomenklature upper caste in business, the caste you can only get born into, probably the most cut-throat clique of animals under a human disguise. No, this is not not_real_Communism, it doesn't get ever more real by design.
Now I am basically an anarcho-individualist, because spooks are way to real over here, lol. I'm not that much charmed by capitalist fairy-tale of equal opportunities of a hedge fund kid and a dishwasher kid, not am I charmed by the glorious opportunity to become a depersonalized tool of violence to further The Current Fuerer's imaginary world.

>>14268544
Where do I start with Tocqueville? This is my first post in this thread but I've read everyone else except Kissinger you recommended.

>>14268544
>If this is truly impossible where you live, then revolution is likely imminent
Lol. It is not. I don't see the British uprooting their aristocracy in 1000 years already, you know, the one that has over 50% of its land in personal property of like 25,000 people out of 66 million. Neither are communist shitholes having revolutions, unless traded away for food aid like USSR did with the Warsaw pact.

>>14267719
I think reading doesn't change a person's beliefs, it merely reinforce them.
If you're a nazi who got "redpilled" chances are you always were a racist, same thing with a class conscious leftist.
Reading only allows you to better articulate the beliefs you already held that manifested thanks to or as a reaction to which ever environment you were brought in.

>>14268544
>Base souls do not believe in great things; vile slaves smile mockingly at the word freedom.

>>14268703
Yes, of course. Now go believe the Great Things me and the bros have created specially for you! Specially for you, my man! Go believe it and go do shit. Nah, we are cool, we are just sharing our opinion on the matter, no ulterior motives at all. Go do the Great Thing we showed you already.

>>14268544
Where should I be buying land in America?

>>14268544
>So buying a chunk of land should be first on your list of priorities.
I thought after the French Revolution, it’s the people who own factories, not land who matters

>>14268050
I'm from Argentina. The amount of American wannabe-ism in this country is such a disgrace, because of course this American wannabe-ism is not some mirrored on some heartland Minnessota or whatever. It's always aimed at the two coasts and fucking FLORIDA.

>>14267719
>How does one come to find out which Political Ideology he truly belongs to?
You attempt to pursue what is true, and reading is important insofar as it may reveal that which is true to you or lead you astray.
>How about you?
I do not know enough yet. So, when I am forced to make judgements, I am also forced to make them as acts of will which are defended by reason, instead of as expressions of attained truths. I consider myself quite good at anchoring and defending these judgements rationally. But that does not make them any truer, and neither they nor the labour of defending them brings me any closer to it, even if it may convince others. This is a terribly unfortunate state. But, at this point, it cannot be helped.
>How about you?
My judgements belonged all over the place, first resembling the usual social-democrat thoughts, going , then, deeply into republicanism (in the sense of the political community being a moral community, necessary for the proper upbringing of Man, its health being paramount; not in the sense of the American party), then into complete nihilism, then, once again into republicanism, then into left-anarchism, and, finally, now, into the refusal to make any judgements that I am not forced, by necessity, to make, and a republican background when I am forced to make them.

>>14269905
I hate you Argentinians for invading Florida. Your Spanish is terrible and annoying - why must you all talk like you’re out of tune opera singers?

Bump

>>14269892
If you want to have even a small workshop, let along a factory, you need land to put it on. Having land isn't some status symbol, it's the bare minimum to being a free and independent citizen. The ancients understood this intuitively.

Lets say you want to circulate a small newspaper to get your political message to the masses. If you don't have funds to do it yourself, you either need to find a source of funding or run advertisements in order to make the paper turn a profit. If you find a source of funding, you'll need to tow the line for your new boss, either by running stories they like or in the best case avoiding stories they don't.

If you run the paper for profit, you're even more restricted. You need to constantly follow the infatuations and melodramas of the day in order to gain a large enough readership. You also need to sanitize everything in order to attract advertisers. The whole project becomes an appeal to the lowest common denominator, with a very occasional sprinkling of whatever it was you originally set out to do, tucked into the back of the paper on an unnumbered page.

If you don't have land, then you also need to be constantly aware that saying the wrong thing could lose you your job or anger your landlord, and that whenever your current rental contract ends, you could easily find yourself living on the streets. Therefore you are always bound by certain unwritten rules, the transgression of which could ruin you.

Now if you have land, you can set up a couple printing machines in your garage for less than a grand, and with the money gained from renting out your guest-room can afford enough ink and paper to run weekly prints in the thousands on whatever subjects you desire. Even if you lose your job, you can grow vegetables in your backyard and have a couple of chickens. Even in the worst poverty and social isolation you'll have a roof over your head and food on the table.

This is the fundamental idea. People like >>14268703 talk about freedom like it's some abstract religious mystery to be contemplated and worshiped, but it's a lot simpler than that. Freedom is the capacity to be free, and some people are greater in this capacity than others. Politics is mostly power relations, and ideology functions to make that bitter pill easier to swallow.

>>14268660
Everyone will tell you to read Democracy in America, and you absolutely should, but if you're starting with him I'd recommend 'Recollections'. It's his account of serving in parliament during several revolutionary crises. Perhaps read Karl Marx's pamphlet on Louis Napoleon Bonaparte first, it will give you some context. It's a great book, full of swashbuckling moments, and gives a first-hand account of the many weird instances that come about during a revolution, and also the insanity of it all. For Kissinger read 'A World Restored'. It was written while he was a teacher at Harvard, and is a kind of commentary on Spengler's notions of western universalism.

>>14268544
yeah am thinkgen this is baste

>>14271036
This is some heavy redpill

>>14271036
Based

>>14271036
What about for tech giants? I really don’t need that much land to start my own tech thing (Apple in a Garage, Facebook in a dorm)

>>14271036
What’s the best career path to go down to acquire capital? Technology and finance are both too saturated now

I found my political leaning through complete honesty with myself, whereas before when I was a teen it was fueled almost entirely by lying to myself to justify my poor choices and actions

>>14267719
I read Hegel and became a communist then a nazi

>>14271936
This but now I share CNN reports about twitter memes on facebook and vote democrat.

>>14271036
>>14268544

Edgy.

>>14271936
Chud

>>14272558
>Being an engaged, landowning, and financially independent member or your community with a bookshelf of literature too obscure to even be considered problematic is edgy
>LARPing as Joseph Goebbels and Vladimir Ulyanov on twitter isn't

>>14273180
is it possible that i'm not a communist just because i don't like the color red and i find berets gay looking?

>>14273186
if Communism was purely naked power grabbing id like it a lot more, I cant stand the pretense that commies give a single shit about the working class