/lit/ - Literature

The 20s is the first decade of any given century that has any solid identity (in English, at least) for purely linguistic reasons.
Talking in terms of the "thousands" or "tens" or "teens" is horribly unwieldy relative to the 20s, 40s, 60s, 80s, etc.
I expect that this coming decade will be better remembered than the last 20 years.
It's not necessarily that things will be more creative—the 20s will definitely subsume some things already familiar in the "teens."
I feel blessed to be of the perfect age to properly enter my first public creative period as the nu-20s begin: thus far it's been all preparation, but now it's all or nothing.

>>14258418
20s will be about nationalist identity, then we can have a war in the 30s and abolish liberalism once and for all.

>>14258418
Trench coats better make a comeback

>>14258632
I bid you godspeed

my dungarees desu

I'm surprised how little impact Millennials have had in terms of art. You would have thought the experiencing of 9/11, the disastrous and unpopular wars in the Middle East, and then capping it off with the financial crisis, would have created a torrent of frustrated artists.

>>14258752
The zoomers will probably become the better artists

>>14258760
I think a lot of Millennials are too inflicted with a sense of powerlessness to ever become, as a generation, great artists. The two "great protests," for lack of a better phrase, of their youth (against the invasion of Iraq and Occupy) was totally ignored despite the massive support it had. When their parents (Boomers) had Vietnam, Civil Rights, etc. which in some ways could be seen as a success at least culturally speaking.

>>14258752
>>14258760
my amateur opinion is that this is correlated with the rise and proliferation of memes.
art in of itself is a difficult term to define, but i would argue that memes would fall under art. however, i would qualify it as "low-brow art."

a lot of artistic "energies" are being channeled into the creation and spreading of memes. in conjunction with TV, the Internet, and more easily accessible and readily available media/forms of gratification, i think the phenomenons of memes is taking these commonalities to the extreme.
ever wonder how come memes of the past used to last longer? remember when Chuck Norris jokes were all the rage?
the half-life of the meme has severely shortened. they now last a couple days to a couple weeks before petering out and/or being incorporated into some other meme/meta to become a distortion of the original.

put all this under the umbrella of capitalism, and it starts to make more sense why there is this "race to the bottom" phenomenon.
anything that seeks to appease the masses must conform to some lowest common denominator. the result is a "dumbing down" effect. no one wants to read long and nuanced discussions about certain issues. the masses want quickly digestible, easily identifiable "hot takes." why read a book when i can scroll twitter?

in this regard, its similar to the problem of Eternal September. once the inherent barriers to entry are lowered, you are suddenly faced with a massive influx of "amateurs." how much guidance and "cultural control" can the vanguard really exert?

on one hand you have the problem of elitism - closing off domains in order to more easily ensure its quality. aside from this coming off as snobbish, it also faces the problem of echo chambering, which can stifle innovation and regurgitate "the same old, same old."
>"jazz? get the fuck out of here. youre not a real musician unless youve enrolled in <insert old and prestigious classical music school> and practice <insert old timer music>."
on the other hand, appeasing the masses leads to the proliferation of garbage, further worsened by the problem of "noise-to-signal ratio" of the Internet. the end game often resulting in things such as "just another comic book movie" or "another commercially manufactured teen boy/girl band (see kpop)"

>>14258632
how old are you

There better fucking be, I exclaim silently, staring into the post form as it stares back.

>>14258632
>I expect that this coming decade will be better remembered than the last 20 years.
2001-2008 will be very vividly remembered.

>>14258895
There are many good artists who waste their talent drawing hentai, lolis or the same face anime girl. They could try to draw different things but the market demands that sort of things.

Also elitism is based, we need more elitism in art. Elitism creates more hard working people and self-criticism becomes important in order to try to meet the standard of academia.

>>14258760
I see 15-18 year old artists with not just great technique, but a greater potential. not talking about those schoolgirls who draw neosalon polished anime shit, btw.
pic related is by a 16 year old girl i talk to sometimes

>>14258971
Ah, masking shitty technique by pretending to imitate ancient (or modern) art. The "8-bit aesthetic" of the art world.

>>14258895
great post, king, thanks for your insight. your thoughts on memes reflect mine almost exactly.
> the result is a "dumbing down" effect.
funny enough, it was predicted by the term creator himself in 1976 when it first appeared, at that time having a broad sense ("replicatable unit") the only possible progress for such a unit is dumbing down, simplification to achieve even greater number of copies and viewers

>>14258752
>>14258760
neither zoomers nor millenials are allowed to even really think for themselves so the artistic impulse has been severely hamstrung. Zoomers are just starting out so they might do something rebelliious but from what we've seen of them so far they are if anything worse than millenials

>>14258994
bruh, artistic stylization of a certain style is not an "attempt to imitate", it's an interpretation, a non-mocking parody, if you will. I like her personal style, based on 19th century graphic tradition because most drawings are set in or related to that period

>>14259036
You want to **** her, don't you? I can smell your unrequited feelings from here.

>>14259022
being a zoomer by birthyear, a boomer by soul, I notice how my generation has an amount of normies probably greater than among millenials, yet the non-normies are far more extreme in their difference than millenial "outcasts". there are flaming retrogrades like me and or ones seriously obsessed with knowledge, but the number is really miniscule

>>14259055
havent even seen her face, i like talking about polish stuff and she's a poleaboo, not everyone is a cumbrain

>>14259061
Am I a millennial or a zoomer if I was born in 97?

>>14259073
depends on how you feel, but 22-23 year would be a millenial for most people

>>14259073
technically a millennial, but you'll have experienced little of the 90's / pre 9/11 culture that most of your fellow millennials experienced - assuming you're an American.

>>14259105
I'm from Eastern Europe.

>>14259122
I can't say how the culture there might have changed between the generations, then.

>>14258895
boomer cope

>>14258971
Yo what are you doing hanging around with 16yo girls

>>14259073
i thought the cut-off for zoomer was born after '95

>>14259143
not a boomer
but okay zoomer

>>14259176
>not a boomer

>>14258688
beige trench coats have made a return a year ago already. not in fast fashion but in a year it will reach the masses.

>>14259168
OP claims he hasnt seen her face and/or likes talking about polish stuff
but we all know it stems from the biological drive for secks and reproduction
>keep everything the same about her
>now change her gender to male
>would you still be talking/interacting/thinking/posting about her as you currently do?
>most probable answer: "no"
look, its fine to acknowledge our inherent desires for the coom. but you dont gotta "act all that" and pretend youre above it when you seem not to

>>14259195
this is why people constantly complain about this board. zero effort posts with low-effort posters regurgitating the same joke despite it not being that funny the first time
>dumb fag couldnt even find it in himself to churn out some other joke
>"hehe, let me hit him with the same joke, hehe, that'll show em"

>>14259203
>this is why people constantly complain about this board. zero effort posts with low-effort posters regurgitating the same joke despite it not being that funny the first time
>>dumb fag couldnt even find it in himself to churn out some other joke
>>"hehe, let me hit him with the same joke, hehe, that'll show em"

My notebook.

>>14259203
>NOOOOO YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO LIKE WOMEN FOR BEING WOMEN!!!!!
>THEY HAVE TO ACT LIKE MEN!!!!!!

>>14258684
You fags and your ethnonationalism will be the death of this planet. The culture you are breeding is one of petty tribalism. Until you seek to unify you will only create a divisive environment. These perfect ethnic utopia will soon be mired in sectarianism because they were founded on it. They'll simply find some other arbitrary line to divide themselves along. True nationalism, pure, rational nationalism is the only thing that will save this world. And we must purge all identities other than The One.

>>14259168
we talk online, as i said >>14259061 there are some zoomers sharing my interests and are pleasant to chat with
i also talk to older people, but the way they always praise you for "wisdom" unfit for your age is unsetting to some degree

>>14259143
> mfw I am a literal genetic creep born with tits and mangina (pseudohermaphroditism) and my body is manlier than that
A portion of self-confidence from where I'd last expecf

>>14259218
cope more you retard
i merely pointed out that if you swapped the genders, you wouldnt be as enamored with this person
you would merely delegate them to the same circle as your other male friends:
>i interact with them once in a while, but i dont shill them on anonymous boards and then get upset and go great lengths when someone points out the fact that a lot of it is due to you wanting to put your penis in her vagina
either OP is a teen, in which case, retard confirmed
or OP is a much older person interacting with a 16 year old, in which case it begs a much different question

>>14259203
keep everything the same about her
>now change her gender to male
>would you still be
yes. i also have male friends in the same field, retard

>>14259251
>i merely pointed out that if you swapped the genders, you wouldnt be as enamored with this person
>if this person was totally different you wouldn't like them
no shit. why would anyone like a feminine man?

>>14259168
>>14259251
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST BE ATTRACTED TO WOMEN IN THEIR BIOLOGICAL PRIME!!!!!!

>>14259253
see >>14259251
>"bruh"
>feels the need to add gender to his "pic related" even though his discussion was about age/generation ("zoomers will probably become the better artists")

>>14259264
>"look, its fine to acknowledge our inherent desires for the coom. but you dont gotta "act all that" and pretend youre above it when you seem not to"
cry more son

>>14259203
male friend's drawing to not be bare in my words, he's 19 now but did this one at 17 if I'm not mistaken, young enough for a zoomer. we're much closer friends than me and this girl

>>14259285
oh, so you're gay then? you just want to coom in his boipussy

>>14259275
I'm 18, so can't deny I'm a teen. bruh is just a funny word, my ESL brain pronounces it in a comedic way, it exclaims much without being too specific, specified the sex because in my language most words are gendered and I don't think much of it, should you specially word it in a way to keep sex ambigious? sounds autistic

>>14259315
teen zoomer, retard confirmed
i joke, but thats the truth. im sure in another 5 years ill look at myself and be like
>"that retard knew nothing"
because i already look back on younger me that way

you certainly dont write like someone retarded enough to not grasp the basics of English
>"pic related is a picture by a 16 year old zoomer"
>proceed to vomit whatever you want

>>14259335
okay, I'll keep in mind that lit is instantly triggered by any mention of a female. a cultural difference probably, never knew this board is that oblivious to fact that most people have casual friends of both sexes

If the popular idiom about history repeating is true then this should become a time of prosperity. It better be or there will be hell to pay

>>14259376
/lit is def triggered by the vagina, to a certain degree.
>yfw youre posting on moot's hentai image trading BBS board
>"incel/virgin/sperg/just have secks"
its just that no one gives a shit about gender when gender isnt relevant to the discussion at hand.
and anyone older would realize how much our inherent biological drives for sex and reproduction guides and influences our actions and behavior.
and any dumb cunt who tries to proclaim they're some "monk" above it all, while not furnishing any proof, will get called out, especially when his other posts clearly indicate otherwise.
itll become more apparent when you get older.

>>14259168
>hanging around 16yo girls who don't put out
Cringe and L-A-M-Epilled
>hanging around 16yo girls who put out
big dick energy and MASSIVE cock presence

>>14259401
I wonder if sex has zero value for me because it wasn't forbidden and unknown in my early years, or I'm just an extemely rare exceltion. I've seen it all, exploring the most degenerate content out of pure curiousity (never masturbated to it), lost virginity some days after turning 16 and still see nothing great about sex. I chose not to pursue it because there's no will or need.

>>14259444
congrats on being the exception to the norm
like so many other things you do and say in life
>great, no one cares

>>14259456
> coomsplains someone's intentions
> gets corrected
> N-NO ONE CARES

>any thread ruined by coomers
how do we stop this menace?

>>14258418
I wish Art Deco was making a come back.

>>14259464
>calls someone out for being a cunt
>doesnt care if its about the coom or not
>conversation has gone on long enough its circled back to: "no one gives a shit about gender when the gender is relevant to the discussion on hand"
>gets more personal backstory
>"frankly my dear, i dont give a shit"
cry more you sperg

>>14259472
I wish upon them to read the posts they've shat out, but in eternal post-coom clarity. The only way to make them repent.

>>14259464
>coomsplains
based

>>14258632
I get the logic, but "the 20s" generally refers to the 1920s, even 100 years later. It might be that this won't be cyclical, right?
Did they have "20s" in the 1700s? It would make sense to me that they wouldn't, considering not much was as different as it is now in between decades. Isn't the decade identity a product of modern life and the new rate of evolution we see in societies? I would guess that this is the first time that we will have two different "20s" at the same time. It's hard to see the 2020s just replacing the previous 20s in our language.
Even as you write about it, you use "nu-20s" to differentiate. There would have to be some sort of modifier, like "nu" or something to distinguish it from the previous "20s."
Currently, the decade of 1920 is THE 20s. I don't see it self evident that the decade of 2020 will just replace 1920 as THE 20s. If it doesn't replace it, then it cannot be said that your logic of having a solid identity will recreate itself like it did in the original 20s. If we always call 2020 the nu-20s, and 1920 remains THE 20s, it might be that the level of unique identity felt from it won't form the same way, if nu-20 somehow even caught on. My take is that the fact that the 1920s is still THE 20s will prevent the 2020s from forming an identity in the way the 1920s did in the first place. The folks who lived in the 1920s and afterwards didn't think that THE 20s was 1820.

>>14259224
>divisive
>worried about violence and tribalism
>wants to purge everyone not in line with his vision

>>14259588
yeah, i think the 2020s will be referred to as something other than the 20s as well. by virtue of the fact that the 1920s was quite "something"
>post WWI
>Jazz Age
>Lost Generation writers
but then again, who knows
theres a recording of a Confederate soldier recalling the 50s to refer to the 1850s, not the 1950s
so maybe as the term "20s" comes to be used for the 2020s, we will start to refer to the 1920s by its other popular names, i.e. Jazz Age
>https://youtu.be/uHDfC-z9YaE

>>14258418

>>14258418
Mein Kampf 2.0

>>14259619
I think the convention of the decade just being the most recent one is pretty simple. By the 2050s the 20s will surely refer to the 2020s

bump

>>14259401
Calm down autist holy shit

I just want my communist revolution already. Why does the dialectic takes so long? FUCK I wish someone accelerated it somehow.

>>14258632

It's funny, I don't have particularly optimistic views about the future of the West, but I am also oddly enthusiastic to be 30 at the dawn of the 2020s. There's something pleasant about being a fully formed human being, at the peak of agency before physical decline really begins to set in. And the coinciding of each of my own decades of life roughly running parallel to the calendar decades makes for a coherent timeline.

>>14258939
Name one reason why.

>>14259613

You didn't really understand his point did you?

You guys are cancer of 4chan.

>>14258939
Not as its own time period. It'll be swept into the vague liminal space of "the early 2000s."

>>14258752
Millennials don't make passionate art because they all feel broken and defeated nowadays. And the few that do make passionate artwork get stomped on and drowned out by the controlled art scene that is just glorified money laundering and a wave of low quality porn and deviantart trash covering up their art. You'd think the internet would be the perfect place for frustrated artists, but in reality they either get no attention or get way too much attention and then lose their drive to make frustrated works of art because they're now making 20k a month to draw furry porn or something equally idiotic.

>>14258752
The best works of art of this generation are probably stuff that directly adresses the concerns of the now aging millenial generation, like Elliot Rodger's manifesto.

>>14258931
How old are you?

>>14259426
I'm Chris Hansen and non-degenerate pilled.

>>14262241
You're right. What a timeline, that last line is so true.

>>14262241
The best art is created by broken and defeated individuals. Theyre not suffering enough yet.
+1 on the furryporn take tho, kind of sad the lucrativity of it.

>>14262241
>The Church pays for works of historical mythos and highly symbolic religios meaning to influence the minds of the many
>The Aristocracy pays for works of historical significance to preserve outstanding people and their achievements
>The Merchants at least pay for nice looking landscape paintings or nice piece of interiour, when not LARPing as an aristocrat.

>The Peasant pays for works of sheep-shagging and dog-fuckings. And there are so many peasants with excess money now.

>>14262241
> You'd think the internet would be the perfect place for frustrated artists, but in reality they either get no attention or get way too much attention and then lose their drive to make frustrated works of art because they're now making 20k a month to draw furry porn or something equally idiotic.
Well fuck, you are right.

>>14259628
go back nigger. your crudeness is not appreciated here

>>14262404
your mistake is not realizing that furries are the new aristocracy

>>14258752
millenial art is so far divorced from what most reasonable people would classify art that it probably won't be codified until well after it has passed. If you've even spent 10 minutes photoshopping some dumb shit about how miserable life is you can pat yourself on the back because you're already part of it

>>14258752
>>14258752
I think part of the reason that art and self-conscious artists have such low visibility is because Millennials and Gen Z are first trying to get their bearings before they can create meaningful art. This is to say, in past generations, your political consciousness would come from Union-led educational programs. Now, acceptable mass political culture spans from Fox News to MSNBC. So Millennials and Zoomer have had to dredge up Youtube videos of David Harvey to learn about Marxism or Abby Martin to get a balanced understanding of the successes and limitations of the USSR, all while Big Tech quietly submerges such content. Unlearning 40 years of Neo-liberal miseducation without almost no institutional backing is exhausting in itself.
There is also the fact that Western literary tradition stretches so far back that you literally would be missing a thousand years of literary traditions if you “started with the Greeks”. We have to grapple with the question, to what extent should authors have their works organically emerge from engagement with the Western literary tradition—which is impossible to pin down in the first place—and how realistic is this when our society has allowed its literary traditions to atrophy. For instance, Chomsky recently said that when he began his public speaking career, he used to make commonplace literary references that would go over his audience’s head today.

>>14258971
>16 year old girl i talk to sometimes
have a seat

>>14259073
We’re on the very edge of being zoomers, fellow ninety-seven chad.

>>14258684
No

>>14258971
Copying old styles is not great technique. Call me when they are inventing their own styles

>>14258684
Keep dreaming
https://www.victimsofcommunism.org/2019-annual-poll

>>14258931
75

>>14259243
Thank cow's (or any other mammal for that matter) milk for that.

>>14261667
And you the paladins of leddit

>>14259066
the fact you talk to an underage girl basically tells us all that your either
a) underage
b) a paedophile
im guessing both

No, it's gonna be more awful shit. People will fall further into nihilism and more retarded ideologies will be sold like a product for coping idiots

>>14264263
> talking to people bad
> 18yo with 16yo bad
this site is infested with coom to its very core.

>>14262657
>Millennials and Gen Z are first trying to get their bearings before they can create meaningful art.
There is a great underlying trauma millennials experienced that has yet to be explored. The internet, global terrorism, economic collapse, and other things have scarred them in various ways and the wounds are still too fresh and the causes too massive to reflect upon.

>>14262773
isnt Gen Z generally defined as those born after 1995?

>>14264388
>The internet, global terrorism, economic collapse, and other things have scarred them in various ways
I think the former more than the other two. The psychologically and spiritually destructive effect of the digital revolution on the Milllenial and Zoomer psyche really cannot be over emphasized

The oldest millenials are in their late thirties now, right? And what have they given to the world in that time? Name me five major millennial artists. Writers, Painters, Filmmakers anyone. Comparing the literary output of the Lost Generation nearly a century ago to that of millenials is eye opening.

>>14264477
I think Millennials and Gen Z’s accomplishments are of a different order: they resurrected leftist politics from the dead, despite the corporate media acting like nothing to the left of Barack Obama exists. 70% of people under 40 would vote for a socialist and 30% identify as communist, despite socialists and communists never appearing on TV except as caricatures. This demonstrates a great deal of creative thought, especially in the face of an educational system geared to destroying critical thinking skills.

>>14264563
https://www.victimsofcommunism.org/2019-annual-poll

>>14258418
The upcoming decade will be defined by increasing chaos, drought, disease, and resource scarcity.

>>14259263
Why would anyone like a masculine man? Attraction is a priori.

Me, a twink, stole a girl off of a 6'5" weightlifting dude who could deadlift 600lbs.

>>14264602
What happened next in the anime you were watching you fucking queer?

>>14264563
I think you're overestimating the level or critical thought put into Zoomer commie LARPing (which has been a thing for decades, baby boomers practically invented it) which usually amounts to no more than an extension of the liberal egalitarianism that they've been fed all their lives combined with an edy rebellious "fuck you capitalist dad" impulse. Their support for Communism is on the exact same level as a Xoomer wearing a Che Guverea T-shirt

>>14264615
The absolute seethe

>>14264628
I seriously doubt it. The elites hold an enormous percentage of global wealth and have shown zero interest in relinquishing their wealth, even for the sake of keeping capitalism, the system that made them wealthy in the first place, going, let alone handing out crumbs to poor people so they can afford the necessities of life. Capitalism demands that money always be in motion, and the elites have so much money that, because they have decided to horde their wealth, the system could begin to lock up and grind to a halt. Furthermore, a leaked document from the FBI reveals that it is shifting its priority from “Islamic extremism “ (which never existed as a serious threat) to “Black identity extremists, animal rights activists and anti-authority extremists; in other words, Black radicals, environmentalists and leftist (communists, socialists and anarchists). The elites have made a conscious choice to horde their wealth, and their praetorian guard have dug in their heels and are ready to fight.
So no, radical politics among the younger generation is anything but a fad. They are here to stay.

>>14264713
This is exactly the LARPing I'm going on about. Seen it all before. Watch this space in thirty years when they're all indistinguishable from boomers.

>>14258958
>waste talent
>market demands that sort of thing
I can tell you with utmost certainty that the majority of artists who draw lolis getting porked or sameface anime girls don't do it because the market forced them into drawing it, but because they enjoy drawing it and don't have much interest in anything else. Funny how people who haven't made anything before hold the most elitism about what is art and what is talent being "wasted", desu.

>>14264824
Lad, literally talk to any aspiring artist trying to live off their work. Every single one ends up half-ass drawing furry and loli porn and hates it.

>>14259224
This is meaningless. There is always the possibility of an ideology drifting into a caricature of itself.
In fact we are living in one already.
Do you imagine that any pre WW1 liberal would tell you that today's world is not a perversion of everything he holds dear?

No ideology is self consistent enough to be eternal, the possibility of perversion is always there, pointing it out is not an argument.
"If you let gays live they will be raping kids", that is how you sound.

>>14264713
>radical politics among the younger generation is anything but a fad
But the younger generations ARE the praetorian guard of the elite.
On what emotionally important issue does the average German girl and Angela Merkel disagree? I couldn't name one, in fact all the younger generation here does is protest for the environment and against"Fascism", while simultaneously supporting the most anti-environment party (the greens) and the spread of Islamic ideas.

These people are retards, strung along by the elites, to be their foot soldier, to crush anyone who disagrees with their policy disasters.

>>14264839
I don't know what kind of hack artists you talk to that end up having to draw furry diaper porn, but that shit is a meme. You don't even have to make porn, people will commission you to draw shit or buy prints off of you. It's also pretty retarded to try to live off of your art alone without working another job when you're starting out. There are millions of other, better artists and the "market" isn't fully to blame for your failure.

t. has done both commercial and non-commercial freelance work

>>14264902
I guarantee you're a hack

>>14262318
How old are you?

>>14264563
If in 2019 you can not see that "Communism" is a brand of the capitalist elites you are braindead.

Every single person who calls himself a communist us DIRECTLY playing into the hands of the capitalist elites.
Sure, in 10 or 20 years at the lateat we have a self proclaimed "democratic socialist" and later on a "communist" as a president, but they will change NOTHING. Capitalism has turned "Communism" into a lifestyle, something politicians can target for votes, how fucking stupid are you that you can't see how you are being used?

>>14258418
lmao

>>14264907
And still I will have done more than you

>>14264477
Judging by everyone from my cohort that's still alive, there's a lot to unpack. The boomer exodus is going to be a critical factor in allowing for the coming expression of absolute terror and misery mixed with wanton depravity. We're at a point where fringe occult rappers and extreme musicians are a hidden mainstream and the expressions go far beyond teenage angst and ennui. New channels are forming and old media is in its death throes. I feel something in the void, something that hasn't quite reached critical mass yet.

>>14264927
Definitely not

>>14258895

>>14264373
>18 year old
You're a walking talking sperm, get out.

>>14265301
You write like a massive faggot

>>14258418
Lots of books about detransitioning

>>14264916
You have to understand, anon, that this is exactly how they want it. Marxism itself is just a utopian experiment by Neoliberals.

>>14258632
weirdly erudite post, wtf are you doing here my companion in suffering

>it's a political thread
OOOH I run away as fast as I can
see you soon guysss:)

>>14259224
>The culture you are breeding is one of petty tribalism.

The Jews still operate cohesivley as a tribe, as do chinese and indians when abroad.
It's only white europeans who don't act as a tribe, and that's why the other tribes are dominating them at the moment.

>>14265880
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbYNpTs_cx8

>>14258752
Like what this guy said >>14258895 , I've made memes and shitposts that have been viewed or read more times than 99.9% of paintings or poems ever produced. Sure it's a smaller piece of me getting through to the viewer, but I'm still leaving my mark on the world.

>>14259036

I didn't really like the first one but this is cool

>>14258684
>Nationalism will abolish Liberalism
>Implying nationalism isn't another degenerate ideology from the French Revolution

>>14266152
where do you think the born king will crown himself? my bet's on michigan or northern india

>>14264263
underage paedophile
hehe

>>14259168
playing the long game

>>14262539
>furries are the new aristocracy
Expand upon this.

>>14258684
boooorrriiiinnnng

>>14258971
Y'all pedos on some retard shit

>>14262540
I'm a Millennial loser but I've made several pieces of art I've seen in circulation: a unit patch for a provisional military unit whose pattern later got picked up for a program that continued to use a modified version of that patch, a parody poem making fun of black people getting shot by cops, and at least two copypastas. All of them anonymous obvious.

>>14262539
*raises paw*
But haven't furchads always been the aristocracy?

>>14262809
She's 16, anon. It'll get better and all artists start by imitating when they're young before they find their own style

>>14258418
Yes it will be my gay catboy romance book. A catboy is the rape child of a human woman and a catman that raped her, the catman dies in jail and the woman commits suicide in the ninth month so as not to have to birth her rape child, but doctors save the mostly developed baby. The catman's family is undocumented and the baby reminds the maternal grandparents of the suicide so nobody claims him, thus he becomes an orphan. Learning of how he inspired his mother's death leads him to great depression, and he resents his cat traits because they are of his rapist father. The orphanage does not care for him well. Eventually he is arrested for a crime he doesnt commit and he considers suicide in jail but his cellmate converts him to gay and they break out and he becomes the boyfriend's housewife in the mountain. My writing style is like a mix of Fitzgerald, Salinger, and Edgar Allen Poe. Be on the lookout

Idk, I think things are too fractured for art to have the kind cross-cultural impact, the light of the sublime shining down uncontested, that people crave. There is a strange contradiction in that this fracturing of society is concurrent with the rapidly increasing homogeneity of culture. This homogeneity is a transferal of self-identification from vestigial pre-modern cultural modes in to consumer-producer traits as people use pop-culture moments/events to orientate themselves socially and politically. How do you feel about the Joker/Starwars 9/ Game of Thrones/Avengers/The latest Game trailer/ etc? Did you like the memes they spawned? Do you listen to the podcast that complains about there not being enough gays in Starwars or the one where they complain about there being too many?

I don't think talented people have fallen off the face of the earth, I don't think millennials lack talent, I don't think Gen Z lack talent either. I think we have lost ground between the absolute broadest LCD appeal and the immediate and personal. I think that if we are to find a place between memes as instant units of culture, and the impulse to appeal to broadest range of consumers possible, then we are going to have to rebuild that middle, which will mean connecting with others, building small communities of talent and driven people unified by some sort of value more specific than "I am only intolerant of intolerance". If the 2020's provide an opportunity for anything it is a resurgence of localism and a reaffirmation of the niche and specific, not in-regards to shopping habits or kinks but in values, and worldviews. This would be the laying of the foundations for any future masterpiece.

The alternative is just more superheros for the mainstream and various generation specific Houellebecq facsimiles.

>>14262809
How the fuck do you think people learn technique

>>14258418
I dont know and neither do (You)

>>14268502
Insightfull, thanks

>>14268502
>If the 2020's provide an opportunity for anything it is a resurgence of localism and a reaffirmation of the niche and specific, not in-regards to shopping habits or kinks but in values, and worldviews.

that is very, very hopeful
thing is we are consumers now, not creators. the only real "zoomer" or *spits* "millennial" art is on YouTube, in the memes, or via music

>>14268645
I don't disagree although I will not deny that I try to remain optimistic, however my intention was more to bring attention to an opening in the market, so to speak, rather than a prediction of future trends.

>>14268502
>If the 2020's provide an opportunity for anything it is a resurgence of localism and a reaffirmation of the niche and specific, not in-regards to shopping habits or kinks but in values, and worldviews
The localism is already here; you're expering it right now. The localism of today is no lo get geographical but digital. /lit/, /pol/, film twitter, breadtube, any subreddit of your choice etc. are all local communities with their own celebrities, artists, modes of conduct, slang, in-jokes, schisms and so on and so on. All of which are unknown and incomprehensible to any outsider.
Those social media bubbles that everyone whined about around 2016 are the future of community with all the wider societal schizophrenia that has plagued us since the rise of mass internet consumption.
But now, instead of the state, our communities are now instigated, maintained and hosted mostly by corporate forces and are indiscreetly and unconsciously devoted to maintaining the status of these corporations on the market.

>>14258895
ok, boomer

>>14268719
The examples you gave are ones that I acknowledged, implicitly, but criticised as superficial engagements with the primary culture on the level of critique-as-identity. They are reflexive, not self-stimulating, and are sustained by the primary culture both intellectually by their posture as critics of that culture and, as your rightly point out, their paradoxical reliance on the platforms of these culture shaping corporations as the means of disseminating themselves.

As I mentioned to the other anon, I was not trying to predict future trends but attempting to identify a lacuna left by this loop. The desire for people to capitalise on this as maybe a potential exit, or at least respite, is another story.

>>14258418
I'm fine with all these

>>14268507
>>14268417
Until then there is no point hyping them up

>>14268882
I can only foresee localism resurging as a result of a cataclysm that, at the very least, eliminates or reduces the reach of mass media and digital communication.

>le history operates as a cycle!

>>14258632
fellow philosopher-king, i bid you the blessing of heaven on your endeavors, and may we see each other in the field of the published

>>14265892
That's because Europeans are not the equivalent of Chinese, they're the equivalent of Asians. As a Slav I feel about as much kinship with Jews, Anglos, or Germanics as a Chinaman does with Indians or Arabs.

>>14268990
>history is like an EM wave

>>14269794
Lol, a R*ssian. As expected from a Bolshevik mutt of an Udmurt to an Uzbeki with a bastardized excuse for a Slavic language as sole remain of former glory. You are a shame of your once Great Russian ancestors.
There are too many similarities between me, a Pole, a Ukrainian, a Slovak etc., and then on and on to ever distant yet close European people.
Except for outliers like Sardinians or Las Creaturas, the Europeans are a genetically similar fusion of Eastern Indo-European Nomads, Western European Hunter-Gatherers and Early European Farmers from Anatolia. Again, except of Slavo-Germanics in Pannonia LARPis as Turks and the Basques, they share a common cultural origin - in language, mythos, philosophy.
Yes, even Finns and Estonians have a notable component of all three European core-populations, if a notable North-East Asian element to them. Basques are extremely Indo-European in genetic ancestry, and Hungarians indistinguishable from Slovaks in genetic make-up.
Indeed Europe is much like China. Except like three times as big when discounting barely habitable and barely populated Chinese mountains and deserts. The Great Chinese Plain with most Chinks there is like France-Benelux-Germany size, so the EU can be seen as the last iteration of a yet another European "dynasty" to "invoke the Mandate of Heaven" so to say.

tl;dr fuck you mulatto pig dog and whatever Turko-Jew fucked you in the process

>>14260979
get out of my fucking head I thought I was the only one who thought weirdly categorical like this

>>14258418
I will be publishing my first novel in November 2020. You'll certainly see me shill it here.

>>14269854
If I were Russian I would have specified so, I said Slav because I'm from one of the smaller nations. Didn't read rest of your spergout though, stopped at bolshevik.

>>14264857
>"If you let gays live they will be raping kids",

That happened though.

>>14264563
Adolf Hitler literally rose to power by absorbing disaffected socialists into his movement. The youth aren't "resurrecting leftism," the Left of the old days is dead and buried--rather, the youth are simply angry at the current system.

When they unify under an anti-liberal project, it will not be anything at all resembling the old or the new Left, it will probably be something akin to fascism. Nationalism is the order of the future, and the internationalist project has been such a catastrophic failure that it really couldn't be any other way.

>>14264713
The rich do not hoard their wealth, they invest it. That IS money in motion. The problem with the elite is not that they have too much money, since it is naturally circulating through the system already. Even money sitting in banks is simply loaned out, which increases its momentum.

The problem with the elite is not that they're sitting on piles of money--because they aren't. Money does not remain still unless you withdraw it from a bank and bury it. Nobody rich does that.

>>14259168
>american

>>14270534
>Nationalism is the order of the future
yes, gender-based nationalism and POC nationalism and furry nationalism and other forms based on (sub)cultural commonalities than the sort of 19th century idea of the nation that included a specific homeland/language and a clear-cut historical lineage

>>14264563
>they resurrected leftist politics from the dead
They did not. They put a newsboy cap on a neoliberal mannequin and called it the rebirth of communism. I would have preferred it to slumber unmoved in the ground, instead of having its memory debased.

>>14258632
fpbp

>>14259224

>>14259022
This

>>14270568
OK so what is the problem with the elite you retard

>>14270809
Autism

>art deco

I wish.

>>14271345
That they're international and wish to recreate the world as a global economic engine for the most efficient investment of their money.

>>14270568
You never got to your point.

>>14264911
How old are you?

>>14271574
How old are you?

>>14269902
Lol @t Turk-rape leftover. Go back to Central Asia, mutt.