/lit/ - Literature

>>14236073
Toronto

>>14236073
Shenzhen? Dubai? Not sure.

>>14236100
Nothing good has come from China or Arabia in the last two centuries.

>>14236073
Right here (points to his heart)

>>14236243
Why are you so wholesome, anon?

>>14236073
The age of the city has passed

Boston, Dublin, Vienna, and Paris

hate to say it but probably NYC or san fran

but they're kinda past there prime

>>14236100
go there, doubt you'll still say that

>>14236272
possibly

Is Chicago /lit/?

I think its berlin/london/new york/paris

It's certainly not all gathered up in one spot, worlds too big a place these days.

>>14236117
>good
Oh, yeah I misinterpreted your question. I was just talking about the relevant hubs. I'm not saying they are the literary cradles either, just that those are the corners will will have a disproportionate impact.

>>14236281
I'm Viennese. I think it's by far the best city to live in. But it's not like there's actually much going on. Unless you like museums or a few late 20-something right wingers intellectual hipsters. I imaging there's more cool people in Berlin. Or Amsterdam.

>>14236292
Somewhat. Chicago is unironically the best American city.

>>14236281
Why do you say Boston?

The Internet

Tokyo

>>14236073
Unironically 4chan and specifically /lit/

It's official. Cities are no longer /lit/. If you want the center of culture, you are going to need to go into rural areas with low employment and suffering. Rural New Brunswick. The woods of Maine. The Québecois North. Alaska.

>>14236402
>centre of culture
>rural areas
It is to laugh.

>>14236354
LOL

>>14236419
The wilderness is the source of the sacred, and author of the highest culture of all.

Twitter, Youtube and Instagram are the cultural centres of today.

>>14236463
But twitter culture isn't good or healthy

>>14236382
Thanks for that and you're probably, based on my own experience, correct pertaining to the internet if indeed we are on the internet.

I'm in Dublin and I think we have certainly some /lit/ denizens however the city on the whole isn't although what it is is sympathetic towards.

The Internet is the new Garden of Epicurus

>>14236471
It really is like a bizarro /pol/

>>14236463
They are not, they are heaving with the literal plebs of society.

>>14236073
McMurdo research station is really popping off right now

>>14236550
>/pol/
>good
>healthy

>>14236100
if you aren't sure, then have you considered shutting the fuck up about a topic you aren't sure about? or can't you go two seconds without memeing something about China?

>>14236767
Bad day?

Unironically the Internet. The cities have been too saturated with mindless drones and immigrants who refuse to assimilate and instead make their parts of town into run-down clones of whatever third world shithole they came from.

>>14236073
Literature is dead. Everything is being written by Marxist retards and promoted by retards. Nothing is good. It's America's fault.

>>14236077

>>14236100

cyberspace

>>14236442
This

Literature devoid of Christianity or critical of Christianity is not Literature. Absolutely no place has written anything good since the 20th century. London used to be the height of Literature, next Moscow, Paris, and New England.

>>14237547
>the Greeks and pre-Christian Romans aren't literature
>Nietzsche, Voltaire, etc. isn't literature
The absolute state of trad Christchan larpers

>>14236073
There's no culture anymore, anything that's "important" is in the interest of profit.
Culture dies when people start to feel guilty about it, we are truly now the slaves of society. If you work save you're money and protect it's value.
Buy a small plot of land somewhere and get any girl who shares the heretical view of living traditionally. Have many children. Then write and be the envy of all who are stuck in the murk.
Culture was a beating drum and now it's just the screech of capitalistic gain.

Get out while you still can.

>>14237180
This. I’m from South Florida, and within the past decade I witnessed firsthand the mixing of backwards Third World ways with American excess. It created a disgusting and sickening culture of perpetual flexing and braindead consumers, perfect for the future that our corporate overlords wish to create to maximize profit margins.

>>14237737
Philosophy is false knowledge. Philosophy is also not Literature.

>>14237952
Thanks to Obama

>>14238033
>Philosophy is false knowledge
Then so is the Bible considering it doesn't teach anything unique that you couldn't find in the Greeks already.

>>14237489
Shut up

>>14236073
Still NYC

The age of the internet pretty much renders cities obsolete culturally. /lit/ is evidence of that.

As far as a city that embodies the contemporary culture the most, it’s probably San Francisco mainly because it’s an echo chamber of interracial Chinese-Latinx blue collar wannabes who sling computer language in their sweatpants for maximal middle class accommodations while preaching about AI enabled gay luxury communism. Peak 2019 if you ask me.

It feels like fine literature and culture are dead and nothing good comes out of cities anymore
Is that accurate or does it just seem that way because of the internet?
What are some great literary works of today?

>>14239614
Literature is dead in the sense that it is no longer relevant anymore. The idea of a novel or poem having any effect on the culture today is farcical. Literature has gone the way of Opera. All the great works are in the past and all that is left for the future is minor curios created to satisfy the navel gazing of a small niche.

>>14239703
what is the modern substitute?

>>14236073

Belgrade, unironically
Khazar dictionary is based

Buenos Aires, unironically

>>14237841
>>14239703
Basically this.

>>14239705
There is none. We're in the nadir before Imperial collapse. Media exists to be consuned for profit and to enforce the views of the system. Highet ideals cannot be tolerated, as those invariably result in conflict with the system, which results in instability of profit for the elites desparately trying to maintain their petty fiefdoms.

What is the Modern equivelant of the novel? The focus-group tested CGI flick engineered by checklists and flowcharts, with half its budget going to buying tickets and bribing critics. It is intentionally impossible for you or I to compete with this; we are only supposed to consume what we are told, never to actually have any impact on the world. We are Consumers, not people.

The Place To Be (TM) right now is Montreal. An interesting fact you might pick up on, these "literary hotspots" are actually just whatever city is currently producing the hottest pieces of ass, and right now that is indisputably Montreal. I'm not talking about imported whores either. Dubai for instance is not and probably never will be a great center of the arts, but it is the international prostie capital.

>>14239716
basado y rojoempastillado, che

>>14239727
interesting thought. how long do you think we have left before the imperial collapse?

>>14236402
I’m unironically deciding whether to move to Boston (grad school/top job offer) or Alaska - where do I go if I want to meet right wing intellectuals?

>>14239727
>>14239888
It's a pretty common conclusion to draw in current year +4, I think. That novels or what-have-you don't have the same effect on culture that they used to. His point about capeshit films or the equivalent is a fine illustration for one industry. Others aren't much different, and they're all melding together under the same handful of hyper wealthy magnates anyway. I'll add that I think the novel will come back at some point in the future,
Because as we've seen, governments take down internet and inter communications networks to some extent during wartime. Take the coup against erdogan a year or so back, Internet and social went down during the event in Turkey. The point I'm trying to make, is that in order to access networked digital information, one has to have a device to allow you to access it, which is produced by a corporate middle man. That information is largely pay-for-access now. Without the device, you can't continually access the info. A book is owned. I own it, and I don't need a device to access the book, just the skill of reading. If the company that printed the book goes away, they don't take my book. Someone has to physically repossess it. I think books will come back after another major world conflict where people start to become disillusioned with the internet and networked data more, use it for more specific things, and swing back toward desiring personal ownership. Once we've curtailed how far these magnates can extend the "lease" of property into our lives. You literally lease video games and music now. It's insane.

>>14239888
Interested in this too.

>>14239705
I would have said films a decade ago but even those are slowly being degraded by the glut of audiovisual "content" that has swamped the world since the rise of digital video and Web 2.0. Everyone is a "filmmaker" now yet nobody can make a mark. All that rises to the top is corporate fluff and cheap "meme" garbage. Add to that the endless suplly of poorly curated streaming garbage which functions almost the exact same way with more money behind it. All that mainstream cinema can do to compete is make capeshit and Oscar bait.

>>14239978
So what’s the next art medium of this century anon? What do you posture it to be? I don’t want to be painting Madonnas during the Renaissance anon

>>14236073
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>>14239986
They painted loads of Madonnas in the Renaissance anon but I understand what you mean. Honestly it's very hard to say. We're at an impasse where to be something like a "Youtuber" is seen as a bit of a ghetto by anyone born before the millennium. However zoomers see them like any other celebrities. Part of me feels there is a lot of potential in short form audiovisual that hasn't been fully exploited artistically for a while

>>14240002
You just got super-triggered for no discernable reason.

>>14240032
t. city-dweller sòyman

>>14239888
Essentially everyone who wrote on this topic between 1700 and today sees 2200 as the "end point" of where the West is now, for various reasons ranging from historical processes to peak oil to consumption models. Not everyone who cites 2200 is influenced by the same intellectual pool, however: people are coming to this independently.

If you're looking short term, 2025. Blumph!1!1!!!1 will leave office, and the Democrats will let out eight years of idealogical impotence on the world. Arguably more importantly, Boomer die-off will reach a critical point. Boomers never setup social structures to replace themselves after they died (Boomers never planned on dying, they simply thought that they's continue to exist until they stopped existing), so huge swathes of organizations, institutions, and positions necessary for the functioning of Global Neoliberalism in Modernity will just... stop exiwting. We'll most likely see a huge disparity, as people are either part of hyper-centralized structures that blur the public-private distinction ("Walmart bought Colorado"), OR they live in hyper-decentralized localist villages. Think the Rural-Retard vs Urban-Soiboi dichotomy on steroids with no suburban cushion; this is not purely about locality or living space and is more about mentality (there will be Soiboi Farms and Redneck cities). You will buy your car from an international firm with parts factories all across the globe, OR from Bubba who welded it together from scrap (all from cars made in your state prior to 1976).

This is set to the rise of the EU as a global power, a re-attempting of the American Experiment but with what we've learned since 1776 (A "New America" if you will) as the New World collapses into mass-balkanization. The CCP will collapse about a generation before the US does, heralding the inevitable collapse of the US, and the rise of the new Chinese Dynasty that Europe will spar with.

Tl;dr 2025 is when the Crisis of the 21st Century will start, and it will be very similar to the Crisis of the 3rd Century.

>>14239923
Alaska.

>>14240251
I can only fucking hope that the 21st century is a tenth as interesting as you seem to expect

>>14240032
it's pasta

>>14236361
How has nobody agreed with this? If’s 100% the Internet.

>>14240329
How come anon? How will I subsist out there?

>>14240375
You don’t want it to be interesting? Or you’re excited for what is to (potentially) come?

>>14236073
She pooped in the tub. Your waifu needs diapers so she doesn't poop herself. How does that make you feel, Asukafags?

>>14240251
What should we be doing to make sure we come out on top come 2025? Leave the cities? Try to rise up as fast as you can in the corporate hierarchy? Become a venture capitalist?

>>14240251
What if Trump loses? 2020? Or will the steaming fumes from the Democrats not be built up enough by then?

>>14240663
IT'S JUST THE LIGHTING YOU LYING PRICK

>>14240702
I imagine that just brings the date forward
>>14240395
Saying the internet is like saying "the world." It's technically right but totally useless as an answer. Where on the Internet? Here? YouTube? Reddit?

>>14240781
Based

>>14236354
>>14236292
based chicagobros, total agreement

>>14240663
I'd pay to gargle her shitty water and so would you.

>>14240666
That depends entirely on where you live. Using Rome as a model, the simplest answer is find whatever the "new Christianity" will be, either believe what they believe or learn how to fake it, and then join up with them. They'll be the only ones actively trying to help people at this point, so they'll be pretty obvious. Far Right groups are the most obvious idea of what these "New Christians" will be. Outside of that, you could move to the provinces (Midwest, Eastern Europe) and become a Bonus, who are basically middle managers that stole the capital and labor they were managing for themselves.

>>14240702
Every day it looks more and more like Trump will win. If he doesn't, it just moves the date. Maybe we get 8 years of Warren, then 8 years of some limpdick Republican by sheer chance? Or maybe they're mad enough now? Who knows. Boomer dieoff WILL happen in 2025, however, and Boomers are the only class that really matters, and they will be voting Trump.

>>14240702
Elizabeth Warren will be the nominee and she will win.

>>14241644
I agree. I really cannot fathom Trump winning this time. The wind was his favour last time round. Now, all momentum is with the Progressivists.

>>14239739
Red pill me on Montreal, anon.

>>14241721
This. What great works are coming out from there?

>>14241618
What far right groups are there that are Christian like? Where do you find them? Everything is so Underground, how will they connect when all the technology infrastructure goes up?

Also what makes you think boomers die off by 2025? What demographic analysis says this?

>>14241644
Nobody's voting for Warren, plug. Get real.

>>14236100
>>14236281
Dubai is Las Vegas tier
Vienna is "youths" from the Balkans in tracksuits and leased Bimmers and Mercs
Dublin is niggers, Poles and Balkan guestworkers
Paris is Africa
Boston idk

The internet basically is killing organic city culture

>>14236402
Is it possible to write a masterpiece without suffering? Is the future of lit a comfy slice of life in the middle of nowhere?

>>14241618
Environmentalism will be the new Christianity, we already have the saints and prophets, soon you'll get the inquisition.

>>14241933
Who are the saints and prophets? Is Greta our JC?

>>14241797
Boston has some places left but there are too many nutters and retarded privileged children around. It's also becoming more and more of a wageslave city as the GBA gets more and more developed so that the wagies can afford to live close enough to commute into the city by bus or train on their meager salaries.

>>14236100
Dubai is the ugliest, most soulless city the world has ever seen, even topping the major US Cities. My shithole city is more rich and authentic then Dubai will ever be.

That thing is a parody of a city.

>>14241944
>not going to Dubai for the Spectacle

>>14241787
Warren is going to win the primary and she will in all likelihood win the election outright. Remember this.

>>14236305
>berlin/london
Literal shitholes, no cultural value whatsoever.

>paris
"Okayish"

>new york
Soulless mutt shithole, no city with a history less than a thousand years will ever be culturally relevant in any decent culture.

>>14236272
Came here to post this. Anyone serious about literally is moving innawoods with our boy Ted

>>14241938
No she is St Paul

>>14241969
Massive gentrification suggests otherwise.

>>14236073
None, era of uniqueness in cities is dead and literature is dead.

>>14240658
I want your post to be accurate, but I expect Francis Fukuyama to be

>>14236073
One of my fine arts professors (before I decided against becoming an art major) told me that Minato City fits this description.

>>14236073
The internet

>>14242266
>Francis Fukuyama to be
I thought this man got BTFO. What can he be right about?

>>14242852
Did he offer an explanation or was he a vague retard like his student?

>>14241838
Based Post

>>14241962
you are gay larper

>>14243059
kek

>>14243059
>>14243127
cringe samefag

>>14243141
ok guenonfag

>>14243149
nice edit cringe normie

>>14243235
No u

Pittsburgh, PA.
Birmingham, AL
Raleigh, NC
Greenville, SC
Savannah, GA
Lake Arthur, LA
Biloxi, MS

Can't speak internationally. Would have to stay at places more than a few weeks.

>>14243235
>>14243141
Oh anon, wrong AGAIN

>>14244051
Pittsburgh is expensive and hard to find jobs in.

>>14240781
Because the internet completely made irrelevant any regional differences now that everyone is exposed to the same experiences through the internet over the town they grew up in. Time to grow up boomer

>>14236344
>Unless you like museums or a few late 20-something right wingers intellectual hipsters
Honestly this sounds pretty cozy.

>>14244208
Didn't really address the point though did you brainlet?

>>14239705
Youtube demagogues. I wish I was kidding

>>14244190
Pittsburgh is one of the most affordable cities for its size.

Cicero, Thoreau, Emerson, Jefferson all shat upon city cosmopolitanites. Thats a pretty august club you ask me

>>14244229
The point is that trying to find "centres of culture" in the same vein as those in the past is useless because of how the internet shaped communication and culture, no one has come to an agreement on which region is spearheading culture other than the safe household names for this reason, they just dont exist anymore

>>14244272
>state income tax of 3%
>insane local income tax of 3.5%
>gas tax (everything is far away so this is a big deal)
>cheap rent? Meme. 40 miles away from anything, everything else is $1000+ a month.
>property taxes further jack up rent
>unlike other "cities for its size" there is little opportunity there to justify the high cost of living.

>>14244317
By regions are you referring to geographical regions or the websites? Because the latter was what the point was about. Certain websites (and certain areas of websites) have been and continue to be cultural centres. You could make a very strong case for 4chan and SA for being the cultural centres of the internet in the early 00's, for instance. Twitter, like it or not, is a major cultural hotspot for a whole matter of things (literature, film, politic etc). One could almost say, with much reluctance on my part, that somebody without a twitter account today is as detatched from contempory culture as an Interwar English country bumpkin who had never visited London or Paris would be.
I accept the point that there is no total centralization anymore but there are specific online locations which do serve a similar role to that of their geographical forebears.

>>14244346
1K rent isn't that much bro

>>14244400
i feel twitter's both too big (in scope/number of users) and too limited (word count format) for that

>>14244520
You're right that it is less than ideal in terms of scope and format but unfortunately, I think it's the closet forum we have at the moment. I used to have high hopes for this place but, well, look at us.

>>14244537
>>14244400
Do I smell a twitter escapee? Back to your containment website, vermin!

> I used to have high hopes for this place but, well, look at us.

As if twitter is any better you dishonest fuck lmao

>>14244571
Never had a twitter account. Just an observation. >As if twitter is any better
It's not a matter of quality of output but the effect on the wider culture. When was the last time 4chan did anything that affected the culture, mainstream or underground or anything? Twitter is online culture now, for all intents and purposes. I fucking hate Twitter but this seems to me to be plainly the case. Christ, how many fucking threads on 4chan start with Twitter screenshots? We can't even develop our own original content anymore.

>>14237180

>le immigrants meme

Cities are dead, but not because of immigrants particularly (although that could be interpreted as a symptom of the bigger problem). Cities exist only for commerce these days. Cities have always been the centres of business of course, but they also housed culture. Any culture that exists now exists only to attract tourists to stimulate the local economy and is therefore soulless and bland and tasteless. Mayors install lazy public art pieces because they want Chinese people to take selfies in front of it. They gut social and cultural hubs through regulations designed to make them safer so that rich people feel comfortable spending their money there. Immigrants fit into this because they provide the labour necessary to keep it all going, but they're not the one's destroying the culture. That comes from above.

>>14244537
We all know that furafinity is the Paris of our times

>>14244571
No ones arguing that, don’t get defensive. You got to admit, the dynamism of a lot of the boards have rotten throughout the years. I can still find some sparks of that life on /lit/ and a few of my secret boards like [spoilers] /m/ [/spoilers], but it’s not what it use to be. I ain’t a pessimist, and I still find some good things here, but I got to dig.

>>14244610
Why are Chinese tourists so bad? I mean, Americans are shit, but at least they try to be nice in a chauvinistic way.

>>14239716
based

>>14244639
The type of Chinese who can afford to go and live abroad are materialist soulless insects.

>>14244150
all that white make my eyes hurt put some night eye there

>>14244690
>white

Athens only had about 50,000 people in it at its height.
You can read Xenophon in Dogfalls Montana just as well as you can in the true capital of the world--Dallas Texas.

>>14241962
>no city with a history less than a thousand years will ever be culturally relevant
OK, Boomer.
t. St. Petersburg

>>14236354
Agreed. Followed by Minneapolis. Midwest coast best coast.

>>14239614
Literature gives form and focus to the quiet hours. Now is the time for action.

>>14244051
>all these southern cities
Not a chance. Birmingham might be one of the least cultured cities I've ever been to. Savannah is /lit/ though.

>>14236100
Dubai?
WHAT?

>>14236767
Based.
>>14236837
Cringe.

>>14244639
Nothing specifically bad about the Chinese, but as tourists they have a lot of money.

>>14244414
Idk bro, I live in Vancouver and I wouldn't pay anything more than $800 a month for a bed

>>14241872
Ever heard of mosquitoes?
https://youtu.be/bRP6QWeRHRU

>>14240251
None of what is going to happen has anything whatsoever to do with Trump.

>>14236419

>>14236402
Every last culturoser will be found out and forced to breathe the glyphosate. There is no escape.

>>14236073
Dubai

>>14236272
This

>>14236361
This

>>14237547

>london

Lol no.

1. Saint Petersburg
2. Moscow
3. Paris
4. London

>>14236402
>Muh rednecking

>>14237489
Get off this board lobsterfag

>>14245546
If there is hope it lies in the hosers.
https://youtu.be/B6Nl3PaTimA

>>14237547
Borges?
Lem?
Being this tard

>>14238055
This

>>14237547
Fucking Jesus. GRR Martin disagrees

>>14240072

>>14241933
https://www.axios.com/animal-abuse-felony-trump-law-373ce079-7dd1-4b69-998f-bf9b9e881676.html

>>14244237
>Muh Kek worshiper projectiuns

>>14245513
To Make America Great Again we need to kill Nazis again.

>>14239923
Just move to Boston, Anon. Yeah, if you’re securely able to just drop out and go off grid entirely, that’s maybe worth consideration. It’s worth noting that you might run into a Ted Kaczynski scenario and find you can’t really escape, but nonetheless, it’s worth considering. However, the whole “leave the cities, move to the country” thing is largely a meme. It relies on a manufactured aesthetic of rural life that just isn’t reality in my experience and mostly exists to sell products or content. Its escapism. At least in America, it’s just as much as a modern techno-industrialist hellscape populated by consumerist strivers as the city is, the strivers just have blue collars instead of white ones and an affinity for Chick Fil A over Starbucks. They identify themselves with brands - Ford, Budweiser, Glock, etc. It’s really no different.

I’ll admit there’s more natural green space which can soothe the soul, but for the most part you can’t enjoy it daily or even weekly really and it’s easily discounted by the stunning lack of intellectuals, whom you won’t find in the country. I promise you. For the most part, people work the 9-5, plant themselves in front of the TV with a beer and that’s it. They obsess over what truck they can buy, what gun they can buy, what beer they buy, etc.

I moved from one of the biggest cities in the US to a small rural college town and I somewhat regret it. There is more nature which I do enjoy somewhat, but it’s not regular enough to be a game changer honestly and I often find it’s often corrupted in some way, which is depressing. I figured with the college, there’d be some intellectualism, but no, there really isn’t. What’s really regrettable is the fact that I basically ran. I hated the city so much that I just fled. The heroic thing to do would’ve been to stay and overcome it. I’m unironically considering moving to New York for maximum challenge, which can hopefully spur personal growth. The one thing I will say is I’m pleased with the ability to take advantage of the college’s resources for books and the like. Whether that makes it worthwhile, I don’t know.

>>14245623
Way to have a terrible mentality towards people who live in rural areas. Quite likely that is one of the most harmful stereotypes that exists, simply because it isn't true. :3

>>14245820

>>14240002
Based

>>14245920
Childish

>>14236073
S I L I C O N V A L L E Y
I (san francisco)
L (oakland)
I (san jose)
C (cupertino)
O (palo alto)
N (menlo park)
V (mountain view)
A (redwood city)
L (sunnyvale)
L (santa clara)
E
Y C A L I F O R N I A

>>14245809
I’m in New York anon. Should we trade spots? I just feel like I’ll get easily lost in the metropolis if I try to pursue a career in these big cities. I seriously advise against moving to New York unless there is something New York really has that you can’t find anywhere else.

>>14236361
This is the correct answer.

Cities nowadays are just pockets of mediocrity and decadence.

>>14236442
That’s fine, but nature can’t be considered the center of culture because there is none to speak of.

>>14236463
Twitter is ignorant.
YouTube is propaganda.
Instagram is vanity.

No good /lit/ comes from these websites.

>>14236073
The internet.

>>14248221
retard

>>14236073
I don't know about literature but for music, the Tyne & Wear region in England has been holding the torch for UK music for the past decade or so, only region of the country I know where the predominant local music scene isn't metal, faux-folk or electronic pop and popular bands from the area have been helping to run and maintain workshops and free equipment, rehearsal space etc. for young <25 yo musicians to develop their art while across the country working-class access to the arts has been slashed by austerity and commodification of culture

in terms of film, I've found most of the best films I've seen in the past decade have been non-English-language films and primarily Latin/South American in origin, also some French; probably because the parasitic mainstream industry sees no money in those markets and leaves them alone

for literature and other arts, I really don't know

>>14249745
Wow a geordie with delusions of grandeur

>>14249776
I live in East Anglia and it is an ugly, empty place
anything down here with even a mote of creative spirit is leeched for all it's worth by the bloated parasite of a city-state that is London until there is nothing left, the further from London you are in the UK the better chance you have of any creative effort resulting in an actual piece of art rather than a mere commodity, that's why the only good guitar music here these days comes from Sunderland, Glasgow, Bristol, Ireland etc.

>>14236243
Right here (points to this board)

Madrid

>>14236073
Tokyo obviously. No other international city has nearly as much clout. Obviously there's the anime, but also food, music and tourism and the city itself basically being Mecca for East Asians and nerds.

>>14236442
What a very narrow view to extract and interpret experience from.

>>14251135
More narrow than a coffee shop and an apartment?

>>14245546
>Watches American Dad and posts a meme from it
>Thinks those places are "redneck" territory
t. ESL retard from Lahore that gets his information about the West exclusively from pirated cartoons, and picks up on tropes like rednecks, and is utterly ignorant of their geography. Not going to make it, Raeesh. Back to the sweatshop with you.

>>14251145
Did I say that? Why would you assume something so drastic to advance a failed argument?

>>14251150
Yet that's pretty much the extent of existence of many great writers in a normal city.

>>14251166
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>>14251172
Downvote!

Dude anywhere! You just go on Meetup and start a local book club! Its so easy that I bet if you live in a city there are already 3.
I'm signed up for one now and have To Kill a Mockingbird on order from Amazon ( Hardcover really goes a long way in these groups! ).

>>14251187
I figured that yes, you would probably do that given the chance.

>>14251188
Best answer. Thank you for this.

>>14251188
xD
yasssssssssssss
Fuck people trying to rate things. Everywhere is great. UwU

>>14251146

>>14245539
okay Dmitri

>>14237737
Christianity, old testament especially, is based on Plato. Therefore yes, greeks and romans(1st americans) are connected to christians.

>Greeks before Plato.

>>14244595
4chan culture has trickled down (or up, if you will, if you want to regard 4chan as the "sewers of the internet" as many do) to twitter, facebook et al. over the years, and it has hived off, emancipated itself in the process. If you want original content on 4chan, you will need to accustom yourself to the brain-frying nontent of >>>/s4s/ for example. Intellectual and profane meme material is being continually gestated there, ruminated upon, and excreted finally by those random interlopers, autochthonous to very different spheres of the internet, unlucky enough to be attracted to those gutters from time to time.

>>14252095
KYS

>>14236073
LA/west coast for culture/innovation

>>14245809

I moved to NYC after living in a southern college town. There are pockets of culture on any college campus, perhaps less so mid tier state school, but there nonetheless. Take a lit or philosophy class and note the kind of students it attracts, join related clubs (please do). Outside of the college perimeter like you say, and in my experience, is rural wasteland, as interests tend towards less interior, more exterior modes of being. Reflection is not of priority when you’re working manual labor; going to a coffee shop and reading is n/a, but the pub, cotton eyed joe, the LR couch...

Now, working and living in the city is similar, modes of de-stress are the same. However, there are opportunities, much more, to engage in culture, both high and low—theaters showing films of every kind, meetup groups, music shows. Not to say the city isn’t a wasteland of hyper-consumerism, capital gone awry, but there is still a visible class of people trying to, idk, not be corrupted? There are quaint gatherings on the margins, somewhere? but they exist, which is a comfort. Appreciation for the non-derivative at least, whilst such a mode of thought is almost non existent in backwoods, TN.

The city is tiring, it seems to be rotting me somehow, or perhaps it my stressful white collar job. Both places put a toll on me, NYC is constant stimuli intrusion, while in rural I feel alienated by the “ignorance”.

>>14244221
It's cozy until the first thing you find when googling your name is a picture of you plus all you personal information on an Antifa website