/lit/ - Literature

>>14230921
Because the material world has not made anyone happy so they’re looking for meaning in the metaphysical

>>14230921
Not speaking for everyone who is 24 years old, but I'm very interested exactly because I'm such a damn skeptic and I want there to be more to life. So far it feels like I'm shoveling through piles of fanfiction though.

>>14230921
Makes people seem unique

>>14230977
>I want there to be more to life.
Is this not proof that there is? May not be available but definitely is.

>>14230990
Meditate

>>14230976
You can engage with the metaphysical without wading through ancient mumbo-jumbo, though.

>>14231010
Tips?

>>14230994
I mean more than the boring, logical existence I live in. Feels like life is just solving the next problem that comes along or optimizing something. Like I'm just a robot. And then I'll do that for most of my life and die one day, going back to nothingness. Yet there are all these insane tales of battles between angels and devils, all sorts of magic techniques that has some people basically "hack life".

Reality is often so boring. Just let me break out of the Matrix already.

Honestly it feels like we're stuck in 1999

>>14230921
Why arent you obsessed with mysticism?

Is there anything to mysticism other than enhancing your focus?

>>14230921
Because all the CEOs meditate, visualize, and do yoga, so you can billionaire too if you just buy my book and subscribe to my lecture series

>>14230921
Is it, outside of /lit/?

>>14230921
Because we're atomized social animals living without identity or meaning in an increasingly materialist society. Some who used to be atheists (myself included) have realized that traditions like religion are social and therefore biological functions. I may not literally believe in the supernatural, but I believe in figurative devils and their philosphical implications. And I've seen the way that left-leaning "scientific" atheists form dogmatic mobs, constituting a functional religion and demonstrating the inborn tendency for it.

The disenfranchised want Santa or the Smurfs to help them through to a happy world. The Shire maybe.

The real path has been blocked and obscured to them.
I try to help, but their brainwashing is strong. Path of least resistance stuff.

>>14231048
Not much has changed since 1990 even. Late 20th C. Culture is on a lazy Susan that’s going around and around

>>14231063
Mysticism is about clouding your focus

>>14231099
How so?
There is a difference between shit tier mysticism and good tier mysticism like Neoplatonism

>>14231073
intersectional white girls love wicca and neopagan shit for some reason it's fucking embarrassing

>>14231119
it's funny how girl pagans are leftists but boy pagans are rightists.

>>14231099
Not so. Mysticism is romancing the cloudiness inherent in all attempts to focus

>>14231044
>going back to nothingness
Maybe stop being a soulfag.

>>14230921
Not just our age amigo.... it’s a niche for the Enlightened ones ( the ones who’ve “read it all” or all that’s worth reading) who haven’t killed themselves yet. Try researching Hinduism, Christian mysticism, and 16th mystics for a cursory understanding of how all encompassing and complex the works of some of these mystics is. Hinduism, bro the men of the East understood it all thousand of years ago.

Think about it this way all biographies of western great thinkers will reveal a multitude of faults and vices in their character... unlike the great minds of the East that live and lived much more pious lives than any western Christian male.

And please don’t associate pic related with that garbage, shit middle school tier band

>>14231140
But that's the opposite of what I mean. I guess I did word it as "go back to" as if it's a place I've already been to. I mean having consciousness just to be aware that the only thing I can be certain of in my life is that it will end, then oblivion forever. It's a pretty cruel prank.

I WISH I could be a soulfag. That I ignore all the inconsistencies and abandon all logic and lead a much happier life knowing it's all super meaningful and when I die that was just another level of learning in the game to some ultimate higher cause.

>>14231019
Surely just read any metaphysical philosophy that is part of the canon? Don’t get me wrong, I think hermetic and mystic texts are really interesting but I think they should serve more as creative inspiration/historical curiosity, potentially a way to engage with their spirituality if they want to. But I don’t think people should be using them to believe in them or to inform their studies of metaphysics. I also think there‘s a danger if people are using them too much as a spiritual tool - they have a danger of becoming very isolated in their spirituality, when they could be participating in community acts of worship and becoming spiritual in the presence of others.

>>14231158
>I mean having consciousness just to be aware that the only thing I can be certain of in my life is that it will end, then oblivion forever. It's a pretty cruel prank.
You're a fucking soulfag, but like many soulfags, you mask it by calling it "consciousness" instead.

>>14231129
hmmmmm

>>14231182
Not him, but how do you arrive at your conclusion? Might it be because he refers to consciousness as something he "has", rather than an emergent property he as an organism exhibits?

>>14231182
I'm talking about the literal interpretation here of us being essentially organic machines, running on electricity and chemical processes and slowly breaking down with time, this matter going back to something else. How do you interpret this as me saying I have some sort of separate soul? Consciousness is simply being aware of yourself and your surroundings, to me.

>>14230921
Because people have lost the distinction between existence and life. The former is occupying space, the latter is fulfilling purpose. The purpose is making the world into the best place it can be. Mysticism is just the last way people have of ignoring and obfuscating their purpose.

Gateway novel on this topic btw amigo.... a must read.... written by the great English master Maugham.... unless if you don’t at least buy it... you’ll be much poorer for it... a study of the modern-day-applicable existentialist crisis every young lad goes through and how this particular character found his peace

My theologian professor agree too btw

>>14230977
Read Roberto Unger

>>14231203
If you would refuse to step into a teleporter, you are a soulfag.

>>14230921
I think it’s mostly this board that makes it seem that way. Idk any 20-something mysticists in real life, or on any social media.
I would absolutely love it though if my age group was full of non-dualists lol

>>14231093
I’m not sure that you know that much about mysticism

>>14230977

>>14231239
And why would you assume I'd not want to go through a teleporter? Is it because you think I'm afraid that the person on the other side "wouldn't be me" in the case of it reconstructing me on the other side? It depends on how it works. If it's just moving me as a whole from one end to the other, it's no different than travelling on a plane or a car to me, just insanely fast. If it's reconstructing me on the other end then you have to agree that's just cloning and destroying the original.

>>14231232
>>14231255

Am actually Brazilian. Fine, why not?

>>14231044
Logic is pretty intense bro

>>14230921
You left out Serrano...

>>14230921
when your culture has been reduced to a shopping mall why would you not seek a deeper meaning

>>14230977
read Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha

>>14231072
That's just capitalism commodifying mysticism and selling it as a product/using it as a tool to improve productivity

>>14231232
>>14231294

I hate people who just say "read this thing instead" without even providing a reason why it was helpful to them. Apparently when it comes to mysticism everyone is just "reading the wrong stuff" and someone else has the "real answers", ready to lay it on everyone by recommending their own fanfiction.

>>14231260
>destroying the original.
And do you believe that this "original" has existed for your entire life?

>>14231134
Ya don’t say!

>>14231337
Neither of those posts said “read this thing INSTEAD, you haven’t read the right stuff yet,” they’re just recommendations. Would you not expect people to recommend books to someone who says they’re interested in the material covered in those books?

>>14231339
We are always changing, like I said our body and mind are always transforming and mostly decaying. I don't know how specific you want to get here in defining a million "you's" at every moment. No different than trying to specify how my computer was exactly a second ago, if I somehow stopped time to analyze it. It's pointless. But you know what I mean, I'm talking about the difference between you walking from point A to point B and me somehow reconstructing you in it's entirety over here, then walking over to your home, shooting you in the head and saying you "teleported" to this new location. It's another biological machine, even if it's identical to you at the moment of reconstruction. I'm sure the next milisecond, it will not be, as it interacts with everything else in a different manner than you are.

I really don't get your whole "actually you totally believe in a soul let me tell you why".

>>14231357
Sure, maybe I'm being a bit too harsh there, I just mean it'd be nice if they explained why they recommend those books. Just so it's not another 300 pages of fanfiction being presented as anything meaningful.

>>14231408
Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha would be helpful to someone like you since it generally keeps away from abstract philosophy and brings non-dualism down to earth, by delineating the meditative path to realize it, explaining the exact methods to do so and the signposts along the way to recognize progress. It is geared towards the meditative practice from the first person perspective, and has a reputation for being very “practical and pragmatic” without going into scientific materialist secularism.

>>14231391
And why can't the "is you" property be replicated? What makes it so special?

>>14231453
Thanks, Anon. Sounds like a great recommendation.

Secular humanism is quickly becoming the norm, and people who cannot stand being the norm will do the opposite thing. And what could be further from this than becoming an esoteric obscurantist who appropriates mysterious looking symbols and quotes for their twitter profile?

>>14231337
It's free on libgen, you read the first chapter and see if it resonates with you.

I chose it, btw, because it's not at all like the usual stuff you're going to see, but let me just say "a fuller possession of life right now" as a teaser

>>14230921
okay guénonposter

>>14231455
Now that's a hard question. You are asking me to define what "I" am and how someone else who is a perfect copy of myself is not me. I'd like to think that for the briefest of moments, we are, but even that opens another can of worms. I can recognize who "I" am as opposed to everyone else but I can't fully explain to you why I have this sense of self. Can you? All you've said so far is "lol soulfag" as if I'm making the claim I have some special part of me that can never be replicated/is immortal or whatever.

To put it in simpler terms, if you build a second computer that's just like the first one down to the molecular level, can you really claim the are the exact same thing? Maybe initially, but then if these computers each go to a different home and have different purposes and environments, are they still the same?

There are a lot of questions here and I have a feeling you'll not answer any of em and instead just ask another question about 5 words of this wordsalad I typed up.

>>14231471
>has a reputation for being very “practical and pragmatic” without going into scientific materialist secularism.

I want to add Unger is a radical pragmatist and that's basically what his works are like too

>>14231531

Sure, I'll go download Lisa Unger's best works. Beautiful Lies seems like a fun book.

I'm kidding, thanks for your recommendation as well.

>>14231512
>I can recognize who "I" am as opposed to everyone else
In other words, you have a memory of what that is. Which means you are capable of telling if that suddenly changes. Which means that you couldn't place these memories into something that is not you without it noticing, because its memories of "being you" won't match up with what it feels. But if the memories do match up, that means it was you all along, and there was never any "not you".

>>14230921
It is? i guess in a vague new age sense. Spirituality generally seems vapid nowadays.

>>14230977
read Rhetoric and Persuasion

>>14230977
Read the Sermon on the Mount

>>14231664
>a collection of sayings and teachings of Jesus Christ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipsychotic

>>14230921
It's obsessed with mysticism? News to me.

>>14230921
By that, of course, you mean the gaudy spiritualism that infects the mind of the bourgeoisie-progressive who believes she can live a life of humanitarian, enlightened secularism while retaining some nebulous belief in a "higher power" and hermetical "energies". Terrible delusion. Whatever substance there is to "mysticism" as a coherent Idea, it begins and ends with Plotinus and Augustine.

>>14230921
because religion isn't cool but people still need to fill the need, mysticism is a regression of it.

>>14230921
It isn't at all
No one but stoners and old hippies/ravers are dumb enough to swallow that load
And /lit/ losers obviously, but Taleb to christcuckery, there will always be at least someone on /lit/ dumb enough to swallow absolutely anything

>>14230921
something has to fill in the nihilistic cuckshed

>>14231093
>NOOO NOOO YOU CAN JUST HAVE FAITH
Aren't you the dumb cunt that spouts Spinoza as if he'd defend your blatant hate for God and faith? Spinoza was radically religious but you can't even grasp a faith that isn't ridden with your misconceptions and assumptions and honestly blind hate. Saying shit like Santa and skydaddy as if I'd actually get offended by you even saying that. It simply points to your childish nature and idealism.

We get it, you're a lesbian and you feel alienated by the white man (I'm not white) and you see the sin in the world and the decay but it couldn't possibly be your fault because your lesbian and choose love and peace and psued communism or whatever leftist shit you claim so you childishly lash out with cheap idealism and rebellion built on whatever makes you feel good.

At this point you're likely to attack my faith and say that I actively choose faith to make myself feel good. Or that the Catholic Church is only for pedophiles. Or that I'm afraid to die. These are merely assumptions based on your shallow knowledge of religion.

>>14231453
>Mastering the Core Teachings of the Buddha
Seems like a lot of jargon and not especially practical.

The advice seems to be 'do whatever you can, whenever you can. Mystical experiences will just happen.'

This has not been my experience.

>>14231812
Different strokes for different folks I guess. I definitely didn't get the "do whatever you want" vibe from it. I remember it being clear about what to do, and even disparaging the "do whatever you want" attitude"

>>14231713
and some actually swallow the absolute lowest, materialism

>>14231044
read Ted K

>All the Nihilistic Materialist shills in this thread

>>14230921
>Why is our age so obsessed with mysticism?
Because you feel that there is much more to life than what you see. Most of you will not pursue this feeling and just surrender to the easy answers of atheism or religion.

>>14230921
because y'all are retards with a greater degree of access to obscure information than anyone in history

let me give you a hint: Jesus Christ is king. the rest is just shit that points towards him.

>>14231802
>Aren't you the dumb cunt that spouts Spinoza as if
Not an accurate characterization, no.
>as if I'd actually get offended by you even saying that. It simply points to your childish nature
You confess your rage here, but my ridicule is aimed at the degenerative institutions and the lies they’re built on. I love the people and wish to free them from their death cult.
>whatever makes you feel good.
I’ve yet to hear anything defeat goodness, love and freedom.
>These are merely assumptions
They’re always generalizations of course. I don’t know you. This is our first and last conversation, thanks to your mask.
My knowledge of religion is deep enough to know what it’s done to my people, get well soon.

>>14230977
Read the Bible
KJV need not apply

Because society and culture use to revolve heavily around it and people miss it.

>>14230921
Because we are thirsty for spirituality but think it's forbidden because they believe in bullshit dreamed up by astrophysics autists and propagated by jesuits and occultists.

>>14230921
it's a consolation prize for those who live a life defined by prohibitions
t. nietzsche

>>14232237
Did Nietzsche believe that we live in a society?

>>14232255
yes, and he would have added "unfortunately"

>>14231642
By whom?

>>14231048
Nah, 1999 was less retarded

>>14230977
Put the book down, leave your house and open your eyes, you retarded faggot

>>14232654
>>14231048

The machines did decide that the end of the 20th century was the "height of human achievement" in The Matrix, after all.

>>14232659
Alright, it's very loud and busy. What next? When do I unlock Ice Barrage?

>>14230921
>Coomaraswamy

>>14232667
>When do I unlock Ice Barrage?

>>14230921

>"why is x so y with z?"

fuck every thread like this, invariably shit.

Why read about great epics when you can turn your life into one through mysticism?

>>14231093
I I I I MEME MEME ME ME MEMEME I I LOOK GUYS LOOK AT WHAT I BELIEVE LOOK LOOK LOOK AT ME MEME MEMEME I I

>>14230921
Because my inclination towards literature, arts, and humanities also makes me feel inclined to spiritual and mystical knowledge.

If I denied the existence of a metaphysical and mystical aspect to life, I’d be left with this physical aspect of life in which I just crunch numbers in a cubicle to make someone else money until I get released to spend more money. I feel as if the whole of my physical experience has been reduced to something like a malfunctioning automotron. This physical reality is seemingly unbearable. I need to know if there’s more to my life than this because if there isn’t some mystical purpose for me, I will probably kill myself.

How can so many stupid people be gathered in a thread. Holy Mother.

>>14231093
>transgender larper telling mysticists that they are the ones who are just coping with the world

Because the weight of nihilism is suffocating

>>14230921
>over the age of 16
>Peterson

>>14231093
kill yourself

Uuuhh I'm an anglo saxon and i need my mysticism to be rationally sound and my food to look like diarrhea

>>14230921
Religion is prone to having easily observed scandals and comes with a lots of rules, while mysticism of deliberately vague and flexible, and polemics can be dismissed more easily, meaning it is far simpler to get into.
Of course, mystics don't like to admit that since it implies that the whole thing is a sham by people that want to be religious but don't feel like actually observing religious rules.

>>14230977
read SPYxFAMILY

>>14230977
Cultivating your zen Great Doubt, I see

>>14233472
haven't read that since like June

>>14233398
It still requires some dedication.

>>14230921
1. What is currently referred to as "mysticism" is, more often than not. conflated with, or mistaken for, "demonism".
2. Due to the spiritual limitations inherent to a materialistic upbringing, and due to a virtually nonexistent sociocultural system of ennoblement, individuals are tending toward exploring other experiential spectrums.
3. Authentic mysticism is spiritual personalism.

>>14231019
P R O C E S S

because most people are insecure cucks who are looking for something to lose themselves in. that "something" is usually bullshit.

>>14232789
Is this real?

>>14231510
based

>>14231044
>He is so psychologically weak that he needs to believe in literal magic and superstitious shit like angels and devils to feel like his life has meaning
What the fuck is your problem?

>>14231158
>when I die that was just another level of learning in the game to some ultimate higher cause.

This is most likely what's going to happen

>>14230921
Age of Aquarius, age of mind, the masses are seeing through the lies

http://esotericawakening.com/what-is-reality-the-holofractal-universe

>>14230921
Some say this kind of occult revivals are simply natural in troubled or uncertain times, but this time it might be more complex. In a wider context seems part of a current tendency in society to make mainstream what was fringe before. It goes hand to hand for example with the normalization of feminism, LGTB stuff, etc. Conspiracy theories also come to mind, since they are also becoming sort of normalized. Counterculture becoming norm.

>>14230921
>Why is our age so obsessed with mysticism?

It's the contercultural fashion now.
That's what it is: fashion.

>>14234600

this

>>14231512
Look up the Ship of Theseus question and see what you feel about it. I think you might find it an interesting topic to contemplate for a while

>>14231925
the revolution probably won't happen unfortunately

>>14231294
This is bait

>>14230921
What age wasn't I think is the better question...

>>14230921
The least based post I've ever seen

>>14230921
Fucking Albanians...

>>14230977
Eat a fistful of DPH and study the spiders brother.

>>14232800
Not trans

>>14234832
Nope

>>14230977
Read Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone. Then read Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone.

>>14231019
Just engage with the metaphysical bro its not hard.

>>14230921
>Why is our age so obsessed with mysticism?
>our age
We're all exactly the same age here? That's crazy! Wow!

>>14231019
Meditation

>>14230977
>I want there to be more to life
Except you don't actually. Once you actually want to believe, you will begin to see the pieces fall together. Reality will make more and more sense.

>>14232033
>.t southern baptists

>>14231019
psilocybin mushrooms, 4g administered rectally

>>14230921
The spiritual emptiness of late stage capitalism, wherein everything has been made a commodity. We long for what is not for sale or quantifiable.

>>14235277
i know :'(
i still want to fight the good fight though

>>14230921
>Why is our age so obsessed with mysticism?
Provide some evidence that it is, compared to time periods in the past. I disagree that we're obsessed with mysticism compared to say, New Age hippies in the early 70s, or the Romantics of the 19th century. I don't even think mysticism is huge here on 4chan.

>>14236911
simple and true

We really need better gatekeeping for "mysticism" and "perennialism" Something to keep the fraudulent Guenon pseuds away. They are clearly posturing reprobate who just want to play with trendy philosophy ideas.

>>14237714
guenon etc. are the gatekeeping. the best you can do is ignore the clueless who are drawn to the clueless. also this board is too pretentious to discuss this topic. you get people who neither read nor practice and want to seem cool.

>>1423134
>Principa Discordia
Is butterfly also the schizophrenic meme demon known as Eris Omniquery?

>>14231476
It's ironic because once you get to the bottom of mysticism you realize Secular Humanism argues the exact same concepts with different jargon centuries later.

>our age
only /lit/ regulars. There's been a steady decline in mysticism and religion in the West

>>14234600
nothing wrong with that

>>14231089
>used to be atheists
>I may not literally believe in the supernatural
So you are an atheist.

>>14231337
>I hate people who
nobody cares, fuck off

>>14232011
>t.narcissist

>>14233010
this desu

>>14230921
>>14230976
>>14230990
The over-saturation of blind materialism just swung the retard pendulum hard enough to meet the opposite pole.
t. Thomist

>>14239285
>The over-saturation of blind materialism just swung the retard pendulum hard enough to meet the opposite pole.

>>14230921
The Victorians were like this as a reaction against the industrial age, we're like this as a reaction against the digital age

It's not a big mystery

>>14231044
>"hack life"
The best hack is to kill yourself

>Tolstoy, Kafka and Dostoyevsky at age 16
Cringe. No teenager could possibly understand these authors

>>14237714
seething

>>14230921
Personality thing. Anything "hidden" is appealing to the extraverted observer function. Especially Ne, and since everyone on the internet is an Intuitive (ie. prefers living in imagination versus real sensory world), it really does seem like "our age is obsessed with mysticism."

>>14230921
Every age of decadence is. Just look at ancient Rome or ancient China.

>>14230921
Science™ has failed to provide any real answers about consciousness or reality.

Truly what they do propound today is just rehashed ancient knowledge poorly masked as modern research.

>Math is the building block of reality!
>No..no, this totally different from what Pythagoras said, we have this expensive atom smasher and our fancy degree's to prove it...

>>14240264
>Science™ has failed to bla bla
ok guénonposter

>>14240264
I guess it depends on what you think are "real" answers. If you expect science to explain why we are here, you'll probably be disappointed.

>>14231286
Serrano is full LARP

>>14240772
>Just grant us this one miracle(big bang) and we will explain the rest.
t. modern Science™

>Iq and genetics
>weather "science"
>Confirmation bias
>speed of light
>corporate funded results
>Today's science is more of an advertisement for pharmaceuticals than any real attempt at the actual method.

Truly what have they answered, about anything of value?
>Hey but the chemicals in the water are DEFINITELY NOT causing the frogs to turn gay,
>we have science to prove it.
>hey boomers avoid salt and animal fats, they are causing you heart problems....
>also eggs are bad...
>also stop feeding your newborns breast milk, Buy Formula™ instead
>also mutilate the boys penis's at birth, its a cleaner we promise.


They've done a good job with Hollywood in convincing the masses it's edgy and cool, and also totally NOT a religion, but Science™, atheism, and the counter culture in general is absolutely a modern day belief system for people, and we are at the point in which it is more acceptable publicly to be some other-kin freak, than it is to go have a nuclear family.

>>14240848
Most americans can easily drop 10lbs of water weight because they consume so much sodium. Circumcision is a totally barbaric jewish psyop though I'll grant you.

>>14240859
The salt thing can be debated, I've herd we are flooded with shitty fake sodium and do not get enough real salt, but not my point.

If they've got enough of a grip to do the circumcision psyop, where does that stop in your mind?
>well the jews may have enough of a hold to convince 120 million Americans to mutilate the crotch of their new born BUT...
>at least they left Science™ and Academia alone
>All those Book publishing companies, and Research publishing institutes being consolidated and controlled by a few small groups is better
>hollywood and pop culture totally doesn't pay lip service to atheism and degeneracy
>our lobbying groups aren't OVERWHELMINGLY duel citizens with a certain foreign nation

Really where does the psyop stop in your mind?