/lit/ - Literature

>Being an unironic centrist

>>14218413
>We are literally living in the best time in hist-

>>14218413
did you not notice the global climate holocaust pending

*five mousebucks and a early episode of the mandalorian have been added to your disney+ account*

Marx was the /worst/ thing to happen to anti-capitalism ever. Seriously, I hope that nigger rots in Hell for eternity

>>14218413
>calling literal bugman distopia the best time
ngmi

>We are literally living in the best time in history.
Lmao. Read Kaczynski and the Traditionalist school.

There are tent cities in every major US city.

t. buttburt commie

>>14218431
garbage

Progress is not a good metric for the current state of affairs. If you ate shit your whole life and complained about it how would you feel if someone were to tell you "quit complaining at least we didn't have eat rotten corpse like our ancestors".

>>14218421
Based Dino master race
Taken too soon from our blue marble

Marx wasn't just anti-capitalist. He thought that collapse of capitalism and socialism and communism following it is a historical determination. This is why leninism was unorthodox. Russia wasn't a capitalist society and Lenin and other marxist knew it and discussed it, because you can't just jump from feudalism to socialism. Also: you can not like him, but he's like Kant or Hegel, you don't really understand anything written after him if you haven't read him.

>>14218413
>We are literally living in the best time in history.
they grant this

>>14218413
>Capitalism BAD
read Marx

>The bourgeoisie has disclosed how it came to pass that the brutal display of vigour in the Middle Ages, which reactionaries so much admire, found its fitting complement in the most slothful indolence. It has been the first to show what man’s activity can bring about. It has accomplished wonders far surpassing Egyptian pyramids, Roman aqueducts, and Gothic cathedrals; it has conducted expeditions that put in the shade all former Exoduses of nations and crusades.
[...]
>The bourgeoisie, during its rule of scarce one hundred years, has created more massive and more colossal productive forces than have all preceding generations together. Subjection of Nature’s forces to man, machinery, application of chemistry to industry and agriculture, steam-navigation, railways, electric telegraphs, clearing of whole continents for cultivation, canalisation of rivers, whole populations conjured out of the ground – what earlier century had even a presentiment that such productive forces slumbered in the lap of social labour?
Communist Manifesto chapter 1

>>14218413
>We are literally living in the best time in history.
No we aren't. Western quality of life peaked a few decades ago. We are wealthier than ever*, but not happier than ever. This is only the best time in history if you factor in the reduced suffering of the third world and the massive development of China.
Of course, it's not impossible to import many of the features of the recent past to the present in order to improve our lot in life - but it's important not to be over-cheery about the present because then we won't see the need to do so. Our happiness largely regresses to the mean with time. The smartphone makes us no more happy than the television did because within a few years of having invented it, it's become a new standard and we're completely used to it. The result is that we feel as though we're suffering if it's taken away from us, but we no longer appreciate the novelty of the thing itself. With moderate changes in the distribution of wealth (those easily achievable within capitalism) you could make the case that we're wealthy enough to be happy as it is and our current aim should be to reduce working hours and generally try to make life less stressful rather than pushing for ever greater pointless convenience at the expense of more difficult working conditions. I'm not saying that's my case - you could also combine improved working conditions with an attempt to increase our wealth even further, and let the natural economic consequence of that improve the lot of the poor, but either way a lot of the keys to doing so lie in the recent past.

*in some material terms anyway - nicer TVs, safer cars, etc. in monetary terms there's a good case for wage stagnation in many countries+middle class wealth remaining largely static or locked up in overpriced houses.

>>14218425
woah...

Capitalism good. We live in great society

Nobody wants to be ruled by a bunch of filthy (((merchants))). This is the simple reality of the situation. No amount of whining that you do will change this.

>we are living in the best time in history!
Everyone is nihilistically drowning in depression and anxiety. What the fuck are you talking about? The world is a tragedy. Everyone is sad. Everyone feels horrible all the time. No, I'm not saying that this deserves pity, and that boohoo woe is me, I'm saying that there is still much work to be done.

"The economy doesnt need to be criticized" is fucking retarded. What are you afraid of? That were going to descend into some kind of savage war of rape and murder if we try to reform our economy or social values to be better?

>>14218413
>Capitalism BAD
Precisely. All the material wealth and comfort in the world doesn't mean shit if it comes at the cost of abandoning artistic greatness and genuine happiness and fulfillment.

>>14219634
Reform isn't the right word., that's more of a revolution. Have you realized the alternative to capitalism?

>>14219676
I've read Marx's German Ideology and I understand the materialist conception of history. I know that revolution is possible because it is a historical reality, but I suppose why I choose the word reform is because I struggle to believe in revolution deep enough. I feel like we are stuck, stuck very hard in this horrible brain poisoned world.

>>14218413
because even the best time in history is fucking terrible

>>14218413
>we're living in the "best" time yet
>so we shouldn't strive or anything beyond or above that
>NO CHANGE GRUG LIKE THINGS AS DEY AR

>>14218413
>came into this thread expecting to be mad
>everyone shitting on op
I like you /lit/, this thread kinda gave me hope

>>14218421

>>14218413

Capitalism is the best at producing value but not at producing human well-being on it own.

>>14218413
>best time in history
Fuck you. Because of this retarded, brained statement you don't even deserve serious response. There is no such thing as best times. I'd rather live as Paris, Crassus, Regan or some other primitive, strong leader like Shaka Zulu. Yeah, I'd rather be simpleminded but healthy, powerful nigger than nameless limpdicked, "intelligent" prole I am today and will be until the day I die. it's better to be wealthy, handsome, intimidating and live in "worst times" than struggle and suffer as pathetic, sick nobody these days. Position and circumstances are all that matters.

>>14218413
>best time in history
Fuck you. Because of this retarded, braindead statement you don't even deserve serious response. There is no such thing as best times. I'd rather live as Paris, Crassus, Regan or some other primitive, strong leader like Shaka Zulu. Yeah, I'd rather be simpleminded but healthy, powerful nigger than nameless limpdicked, "intelligent" prole I am today and will be until the day I die. it's better to be wealthy, handsome, intimidating and live in "worst times" than struggle and suffer as pathetic, sick nobody these days. Position and circumstances are all that matters.

>>14218413
>We are literally living in the best time in history
You should be thrown into a juvie for the rest of your life

>>14218413
>We are literally living in the best time in history
Ok Pangloss

>>14219634
>Everyone is nihilistically drowning in depression and anxiety
I'm not

>>14220019
Who cares

>>14220022
I care about your feelings fren. Why not you care about mine?

>>14219634
>>14219640
>The world is a tragedy
>Everyone feels horrible all the time
Stop projecting your own weakness. It is your own fault you didn't adapt, incel.

>>14219634
We're not built for idleness. Eventually we'll develop to a point where we can simulate ultra realistic but ultra safe adversary, and be happy again, but that may come at a time when you and I are long dead.

>>14218413
>We are literally living in the best time in history.

>>14218422
stfu retard

>>14220514
>Eventually we'll develop to a point where we can simulate ultra realistic but ultra safe adversary
You mean like white people?

>>14218413
you don't have to be a marxist to dislike capitalism

>>14219408
Incredibly based and correct

>>14219408
>We are wealthier than ever*
We are the first generation to be poorer than the previous, in a long, long time.

>>14220569
>we
So some lazy zoomers in the west are less affluent than their parents? Go figure. Everyone else is doing great

>>14220569
you can play with the definition to argue that although poorer in cash terms, people are richer due to the improved quality of goods on offer. The inflation-adjusted value of an old black and white shit TV could buy a fancy HDTV with money to spare, but in cash terms you'd be no better off. It's not a good system, but it's the best good-faith way to argue living standards have improved.

>>14219408
this. the only true measure that matters is personal satisfaction, tradition, art, culture, etc. , and capitalism MUST suck them dry in order to continue surviving

>>14220594
why would somebody intentionally type out a post like this? why bother?
nobody gains anything from it, you sure as hell don't and nobody else in this thread gains anything, it's completely wrong factually speaking

just stop, anon

>>14219408
Long ass post that says nothing. Could the words of a politicians or a journalist, hence of a cuck. We are not happy and we will be more and more sad in the future simply because technology leads to sadness, nihilism, depression. We have already crossed the border of the usefulness of technology. The next inventions or upgrades will be only harmful. The only progress we can still desire is the progress in the health field.
>but needs evolve with technology!
No, the basic needs of the human being have been the same for millions and millions of years. Anyone who thinks there are needs yet to satisfy through new technology is completely alienated from reality.

>>14219634
>>14219640
These are the only intelligent posts in this thread. Thank you bros.

>>14220617
why did you reply to a post saying we're not living in the happiest times as though it had said that technological progress would make us all happy?

>>14220010
Based

>>14220624
It's not that I disagree with the post, it's just that it doesn't go the heart of the problem. The problem is the belief that we need more technology. Also, I question the claim that the quality of life peaked a few decades ago. From a material point of view, for sure, but people were not happier than today. Traditionalism has been around for over a century. Coincidence? I don't think so.

>>14220609
What is factually wrong? Apart from a tiny cadre of western youth, everyone is doing better