/lit/ - Literature

>>14218367
What do you hope to reap in this life? If the answer is "financial comfort" then you're definitely retarded. But if you're motivated purely by interest in the material, I'd say to go for it.

>>14218367
Follow your heart man. Just do it if that’s what you’re passionate about. Job and money will come along somehow, but you’ll deal with those things with or without a degree of your choice.

I say go for it.

depends on what university you're going to

if its a second or third tier school you should forget it

>>14218414
Pretty much the only thing I have any passion for. However, I also don't know whether it's ultimately worth it to be saddled with student debt and only be able to land myself a job that's just as soulless as if I did some 'useful' degree except with terrible pay

>>14218429
>just imagine leonardo dicaprio as gatsby as a frog
Based.

>>14218367
Do it.

>>14218367
Study stem but read the classics as much as much can on your own time. College is not needed to learn literature.

>>14218501
Everyone in the Burkian Parlor says you’re wrong but nonetheless I think you can get 80% there without college. The other 20% is the introduction to the critical conversation you miss out on unless you do your own research or really hunt for exclusively the critical editions.

>>14218367
Bad move. Just stay as a neet

>>14218517
Major in an engineering discipline or math or stats, use your spare credit hours to get a minor in classics or philosophy

>>14218546
Seems legit just make sure you’re not an undisciplined piece of shit; actually do reading on the side. At least try to, maybe by picking a niche field of literature or branch of philosophy and going deep on specifically that.

>>14218459
Go to your state school or equivalent, where the tuition isn't that high.

Next, read this WSJ excerpt to figure out average salary, and if it's good enough for you:
>"For many Americans a college degree will be among the most expensive investments they ever make, one reason they have compiled $1.5 trillion in student-loan debt. The Education Department hasn’t made the price go down. But on Wednesday Secretary Betsy DeVos relaunched a website that will help people get a better idea of what they are buying before they begin writing those big tuition checks.
>The website is CollegeScorecard.ed.gov, and it’s been around for a while. But until recently students could only look up the earnings and debt for colleges and universities as a whole. Given the large difference between what an English major and an electrical engineer can expect to make, this has been a crude and often unhelpful measure.
>The good news is that the site now offers a much fuller picture that gives students more ways to compare. A student choosing her field of study at, say, Iowa State might want to know that while a civil engineering major can look forward to earning $60,700 in the first year after graduation, the salary drops to $30,600 for history."

Finally, disregard 'average salary' if you plan to network, make legit connections at student societies, and follow an unconventional yet profitable career path.
Alternatively, if you think you can live with a lower salary, you can go all the way (doing research, going to grad school for a PhD, professor, etc.). Don't rule anything out, but be smart about it.

>>14218501
>college is not needed to learn literature
>education is not needed to learn literature
Funny, I have never heard this statement from anyone who is good at literature. No, Dan Schneidy does not count.

just get a degree that you can live off.
i got a physics degree and i fucking regret not taking chemistry or engineering and unironically plan on "falling" off a building.

>>14220095
Gee man. Hang in there, no pun intended. Is it viable to get a second degree or maybe a masters that will help you with your career?

>>14220095
how do people with physics degrees struggle so much? I would have thought it's applicable in quite a lot of specialised areas just the same as the other sciences.

>>14218367
God dammit I will never understand why you people do this to yourselves. I'm 25 now. Listen to me. Before you enter university choose a fucking job and look for all the actual requirements as if you're applying, today. Look at the actual job postings. Look at the qualifications. Then do EXACTLY what they ask for while you are in college. Literally everything else you want to learn about, all that fascinating stuff, can be done later and for free. You can walk into almost any college class anywhere without even being a student there and nobody will say shit. You can buy all the textbooks and read them. You can become a master in whatever the hell you want and possibly even employed in it. Use college to get internships, a good job, and make money. And that's IT. Consider that extra-curriculars are good resume padding, so I'm not excluding that either. But don't major in something unless you're dead set on working a job that absolutely 100% requires it. Even if you think "yeah, I want to get a PhD and all that after I graduate so I'll major in this" you will almost certainly hate the thing after 4 years of studying it. Most people do. You will regret trying to get into research and wish you had just taken an industry job after undergrad. Just do yourself a favor and get the job and money first before you worry about actual "learning."

>>14218895
I'm "good at literature." College is absolutely NOT needed to learn literature. An example is the fact that you can attend more or less any college class, anywhere, without even being a student there, so long as you don't make too much commotion, and you'll be fine.

>>14220481
nah i’m good

>>14218367
Same anon. I’m torn between studying Classics or Philosophy for graduate school.

Can you see yourself writing a 600+ page tome?

>>14218732
Sounds useful, but still doesn’t give the whole picture. For example, Finance majors In general have particularly high starting salaries regardless of school but it doesn’t account for the fact that a large portion of them end up in Manhattan or San Francisco where they live like peasants regardless.

>>14220429
Because despite what you've heard there aren't that many jobs that require science degrees, you wouldn't believe how common it is for CS graduates to be shocked that the "Machine Learning/Artificial Intelligence" they learnt at university is completely divorced from what ML/AI is in real life.

>>14220481
Horrible advice and I would know because I did exactly what you said. This is the exact kind of thinking that has turned higher education in a job training program and diploma mill.

Please, please try to imagine yourself at age 23, graduated from college, unable to find a job, and feeling confused and unsure what exactly you're going to do in life.
Unless you are 100% SURE you are going to for that PhD and be stuck in academia whining about grants your entire life.

>>14220526
Yeah well I did the opposite of what I said and studied math because I "liked math." It has been useless. And I went to an Ivy League school at that. I've spent the past 2.5 years trying to teach myself actual marketable skills like finance and programming while teaching 8th graders middle school algebra. Meanwhile I've read hundreds of classic literature books, reread all my math textbooks and understand the material more deeply than ever, and have attended college lectures for fun in my spare time. All things I could have done after getting a nice position with steady income.

>>14218367
Utterly retarded. You can read the Classics on your own, for the rest of your adult life. If you go any modern humanities program, you will find White Male Classics = Bad and will be reading "classic" African cave paintings.

The bitter 35 year old barista with a humanities degree and $150k debt meme exists for a reason.

>40% of the jobs in my country are predicted to disappear in the next 15 years

>>14218367
Get ready for unemployment. It’s rougher than u think.

>>14220562
>you will find White Male Classics = Bad and will be reading "classic" African cave paintings.
Do you actually think this or are you memeing?

Im studying fine arts
Le yolo face

Not at all. You just need to be aware that you won’t get a job with a Classics degree. University has largely been reduced to a job training program so for Classics it’s Academia. Short of that it’s Military, Trades, or minimum wage at a grocery chain. If you’re fine with that, it’s fine. But since you seem apprehensive why don’t you consider studying something more practical that you can get a half decent job with for undergraduate and look to studying Classics for graduate? That way you have your undergraduate to fall back on. I did an Econ degree and filled all my electives and minor with Classics and Comp Lit (it’s an okay middle ground subject but not sure I’d recommend Econ specifically). I work as a budget analyst now and am looking at going to grad school to study Classics, Philosophy, or both. Also considering Econ just because, but I just have no interest in continuing really.

If I’m being honest, I wish I would’ve just followed my interest right away, gotten good grades, and went right to graduate school knowing what I know now, but this was an okay alternative.

>>14220597
Not him and I can only speak about my University, but sort of true. At my Uni, the white male classics are unavoidable, but there’s a strong push to push to make everything about Jews actually.

>>14220544
It’s actually pretty unlikely you would’ve been able to do that with a “nice” position since more than likely you’d be stuffed into the office from 8 to 6 at minimum and would get home from your wage slave job at 7 pm exhausted from sitting in front of a computer screen all day and hungry from missing lunch because you had a project management meeting.

I’m not sure what’s wrong with teaching 8th graders. Sounds pretty noble to me and sounds like you’ve got a decent life overall with plenty of time to pursue your interests.

>>14220597
it's literally true

>>14220622
Did you focus on Latin or Ancient Greek for your language requirements? Or did you know them from high school?

>>14218367
There are countries in Europe that have tuition-free higher education for everyone, like Norway, some of them are even in English. Probably not the Classics though, but you can perhaps find something. Others may have paid programs with tuition-free slots for "bright kiddies", like they often do in Eastern Europe, or paid scholarships for international students (Scandinavia is full of them).

Just don't sell yourself into a debt slavery to learn more about Classical slavery.

>>14220673
The problem is that it's mind-numbing. I like advanced math and teaching the same algebra 1 concepts over and over again is not enjoyable. I actually worked in an office for about 8 months before I ended up doing this. I hated that too but I felt like I was at least living up to what I'd studied.

>>14220481
>se college to get internships, a good job, and make money.
And to live to make money, to spend money to live to make money. Best life plan ever.

>>14220714
I don’t know. I personally find my “prestigious” and “high end” office job ridiculously mind numbing. The nature of my job and most office jobs is to reduce myself and everyone else to numbers on a spreadsheet. It’s a subtle sort of dehumanization that occurs only within the confines of a cattle pen disguised by grey felt walls. Any sort of living up to my potential feelings I’d get from it are just the sense of maybe superior status associated with it relative to a barista from other people, but that doesn’t matter to me at all and it shouldn’t for anyone else.

I’m not in your shoes though and I want to do belittle what you’re saying though. To each their own. I just think we tend to a grass is greener career striver mindset and that’s kind of why we have a problem in the first place.

>>14220773
I don’t want to*

>don't go to uni
>work in a shitty job 9-5 wasting 5/7ths of your time to make someone else money

>go to uni and study humanities
>end up getting an okay job 9-5 wasting 5/7ths of your time to make someone else money

>go to uni and study STEM
>end up getting a good job 9-5 wasting 5/7ths of your time to make someone else money

>>14220725
Are you like 19? If you graduated from a decent school with a job plan in mind before you went in you can absolutely retire by age 35-40, comfortably.
Also you keep criticizing my plan but compare it to the alternative. You either live to make money, to spend money, or you do the same fucking thing but with less money for more work because without the money you don't survive, all because you wanted to spend just 4 years of your life learning what you could teach yourself.
The choice is yours.

>>14220702
Well, I went to prep school so I had to take Latin before Uni. My actual degree didn’t require it all since Econ majors not Classics minors require it. I will have fulfill those prereqs with college credits if I decide to go that route for graduate school though and luckily I’m in a position where I can take post-bacc courses for basically free.

>>14220793
I meant to say neither Econ majors nor Classics minors require Greek or Latin.

>>14220773
Yes, I find them mind-numbing too. I'm not denying that. I just prefer it because it gives me time to study things in addition to my work and there are ways to improve yourself. A teacher has to, in theory, teach the exact same, extremely simple, thing about 10 times a week for 40 years to tons of kids who dislike him and refuse to learn. There is growth, no promotions, no tangible goals to work towards.
I was an actuary for 8 months and I'm trying to get back into that.

>>14220781
> go to Uni and study Finance/Accounting/Economics
> end up getting a good job 9-11 wasting 9/10ths of your tome to make someone else money

>>14220803
>don't go to Uni
>make half as much money for twice as much work
>constant stress of being fired because you're essentially unprofitable to have in a company
>never retire, struggle to have time to raise a family
or
>go to uni and study bullshit you aren't interested in
>work hard enough to make money and retire fairly young by being frugal
>spend the rest of your life doing odd jobs when you feel like it and investing your money while raising a family

>>14218517
>Burkian Parlor
Civil engineer here. I don't know what this is. Can you explain to me why I should care?

>tfw just want to work part-time my whole life and be able to read and study as much as I want

>>14218517
You could probably get a good portion of a Humanities education by just reading literature on your own and much more so if you supplement with YouTube and all the free online courses now especially considering like 60% of the Humanities has been morphed into some sort of political propaganda and enforced nonsense classes to fill credit requirements. A passionate self studying autodidact is heads and shoulders above a disinterested undergrad, but the guy who’s passionate, self studies, and involved in formal study is heads and shoulders above everyone. The problem is most students don’t self study at all.

I think the biggest benefit to actually going to University is the environment itself though. It forces you to get better at reading, writing, and speaking while all of the topics and conversations you’re exposed to go to work on your subconscious. If you don’t actually go to Uni, you might never hear that thing that one guy who was passionate about the material said in class that one time that stuck with you because he related it to a topic in one of his other classes that you had never heard of. It sounds a bit cringe maybe, but it’s true. There’s a degree to which it’s counterproductive, but generally, diversity of thought isn’t a meme and the academic environment really is crucial to a proper education.

University has largely been turned into a labor conveyor belt and credential mill for corporations who need Analysts, Engineers, and Researchers, but the core of University has always been education so if you’re only going to get some degree and a job you don’t want, why even go?

>>14220971
Burke in a book on literary criticism compared the critical conversation surrounding a text or idea as similar to a cocktail party. It has been going on since the dawn of criticism itself. You have just arrived. You grab a drink and approach the nearest circle of people hotly engaged in discussion. You have a vague idea of what is going on, but you will look like a buffoon if you just open your fat mouth without addressing the broader conversation at hand. Be awake, listen, catch up with the conversation, and then find a way to start engaging your ideas. Join culture. Essentially, it is tied to the idea that the thought and reaction that surrounds a text is intrinsically tied to the text itself. You certainly can read in a vacuum, but that is only one side of the coin.

>>14221204
You’re basically correct, and I was speaking as someone who is both passionate and formally involved. I see University - as someone who goes to a conservative Christian school and doesn’t deal with sjw bullshit - as a place to be formally introduced to the party as outlined above. You are briefly introduced to many different conversations and the topics being discussed within them, forced to at least introduce yourself, and then usually given some freedom to pick and choose which groups you want to engage with most. Another way to describe it is by being shown many “yellow brick roads”. Your professors should be taking you through the first few steps down many different roads (theories, genres) and allowing you to go deep on the one(s) that catch your interest.

For example I’ve dug deep on pragmatism as a theory (William James) because that is my main bro professor’s schtick and he’s sort of taken me under his wing. That said, I got exposed to the history of theory and criticism before I was encouraged to go further with one that struck my fancy.

I can’t repeat enough that I’ve had a 10/10 experience though, and that other people in my major are hit and miss. Some are like me, and have been excellent motivators and conversation partners, and some are Harry Potter fanfiction types who think Twilight is a classic of Western canon.

> tldr you can indeed just read a shitload and follow the critical conversation on youtube/research, and you’ll be way better off than a formally educated person who doesn’t have passion.

>>14220812
>Anon playing the patient man’s game
>Hoping he doesn’t off himself before that retirement package kicks in

>>14218367
I majored in English and have to get a Masters in something completely unrelated in order to get a job.
Go for it, you will regret it, but if it's what you like then go for it

>>14222287
Did you just not want to get a PhD or teach?

What will you study for your Master’s?

>>14218459
Just go to a state school. There's no reason you should go to a huge university

I was thinking of doing my degree in English and then getting my paralegal certification

>>14221204
10/10 post. The best thing uni did for me wasn't to teach me things I couldn't learn on my own, but to give me the tools to know how to learn things on my own more efficiently.

>>14221354
What have you been doing after college?

>>14222902
Still in college, senior year, graduating this term. Then getting a credential and teaching high school. Then getting masters in theology.

>>14222934
Extremely based. What is your current major?

>>14223211
Engrish, can’t wait to get a masters in Theology. They keep trying to cuck me with a program that shits you out with a masters in education and a teaching credential at the same time but I don’t want a damn masters in education. I’m not a sellout.

I’d do philosophy over theology but non-Christian university programs for that degree all look like sjw pandering.

>>14222657
i would love to have a genuine passion in anything, godspeed anon.

>>14223235
That’s exactly my concern as well. I’m the anon weighing Classics and Philosophy for grad school and I have to agree that Philosophy would have been my first choice, but it seems like such watered down social justice.

I’m considered theology as an alternative to Philosophy and I’m also just interested in it as a personal study. I was raised Catholic and went to Catholic school actually, but I’ve had something of a break from Catholicism and Christianity in general. All the programs I looked at placed a great emphasis on the Abrahamic religions only so I kind of ruled that out and was left with sticking to Philosophy or studying Classics since my main interest is ancient philosophy. I expect the same in Classics to a degree, but I kind of figure it is what it is and it’s a bit more niche so maybe not as bad. My undergrad is totally unrelated so it hasn’t affected the decision, but I have no idea.

>>14222934
>>14223235
Is teaching high school your preferred profession? I'd love to be a professor, but high school seems like pure hell to me

>>14223657
My professor bro got one of his Masters in Theology. He said that while the emphasis on history and the evolution of Christianity across cultures was kind of a slog (a whole class on Lutheran formation and whatnot) fully half of the program was elective-based. So he took every cool-looking philosophy and literature course he could find, and apparently those electives did the most in shaping his thought.

You might want to consider doing a history major, you’d get access through courses and electives to all sorts of cultural, philosophical, literary, and religious histories. It would be a slog doing shit like Modern American History but most of these histories can be viewed through the lens of their religious influences and whatnot. This would imply or include the classics, I’d guess.

>>14224038
I specifically want to look these degenerate fuckups-in-training right in the eyes and tell them they can be strong people of worth and not societal crust. Everyone has given up on that age group by that point and a lot of them just accept it and never try. The idea that “I get bad grades/went to juvie/live in poverty so I might as well give up” wrongly infects a lot of kids, especially young men. I want to be a figure that tells them they are not fuckups and that they can do it.

I had one high school teacher flat out say “your parents are wrong” and it blew my mind.

Obviously it won’t “get” everyone but if I can keep a few each year from giving up, I’ll call it a success.

Also I get a front row seat to the clown show that is youth.

>>14218501
bruh classics is different than lit fucktard. You learn latin and greek, and not just learn them, you analyze the context of what the words meant then, because they werent used jsut like we use them today. You need a very intelligent person to teach you this in a timely manner, and I do not mean yourself.

>>14224102
> and I do not mean yourself

Kek

PSA for ppl in this thread interested in studying classics: when you take Ancient Greek and Latin classes chances are the teaching methodology used will be the grammar translation approach. The field of classics had not adapted to the fact that it is now known hat GT is a piss poor language learning method, so I would do some research on comprehensible input and the work of Stephen Krashen if you want to know more about this. Textbooks that actually work for learning Latin and Ancient Greek are Lingua Latina per se Illustrata and Athenaze (the Italian edition specifically).

>>14223240
Do you not? Is it that hard find something you’re even just hedonistically compelled toward and try to channel it in a positive way?

>>14220481
This guy's right

>>14220095
Are you unemployed?

It's a great idea, just do a second major if you don't want to go into academia.

It's not so much about the name of your degree but the soft skills you acquire and how you market them. Also, people will find you genuinely interesting which is a surprising plus.

>>14220544
>Not learning programming from a math major in the 2010s

I dropped a math major after four courses but still had to learn two programming languages and basic algorithms, without ever taking a CS course. Yeah it wasn't up to par with people who did EE or CS degrees but it was a firm foundation very early on and I don't doubt I could have turned it into a job had I kept going (a few of my friends did just this).

>>14218732
This is good advice. Also keep in mind that your lifetime earnings don't need to bear much relation to your starting salary right out of school.

OP, my degree was in political science, and my actual study as an undergrad was ancient history and political theory/philosophy. No immediate practical application. Managed to find a civil service job after graduating, and now (15 years later), after a few job changes, am making ~$140k/year. Once you get your foot in the door at your first job, your earning potential is determined far more by your performance and if/how you can sell yourself when looking for other jobs than it is by the field your degree is in.

On the other hand, if you want your entire career to be based around the classics, you'll probably be a bit more limited. But I'm sure there are a few classics-related positions that pay well (fewer positions than other fields, though). That said, you can apply what you learn through studying the classics to a remarkably broad array of fields that aren't directly related.

>>14220095
Get to know Jesus Christ

>>14218501
This

We have surpassed the Greeks many times over

Stem is the only answer

>>14218367
So you want to be unemployable and boring

>>14218546
This

Get a job at Tesla making based future unflying electrocarriages for Mars

Maybe even come up with a more efficient way to extract baby plasma to sell to your fellow intellectuals who were oh so mistaken in having relations with Epstein

>>14220481
The absolute state of ASS lifestyleism.

>thread split down the middle between stemfags and humanitiesfags both arguing you should do what they did

>>14227347
Anybody with a degree in Classics is probably in agreement with the stemfags, one of the largest employment sectors for people with degrees in Classics is redoing all the work from humanitiesfags, in particular archaeologists, who are BEYOND inept at even the most basic shit.

>>14220481
>>14220544
I don't understand. You "liked" math? Like, cursory curiosity? You wanted to learn the history and practice of it, way it's done, and accrue training in its contemporary, economic use?

It sounds like you critically misunderstood the institution apparatus. You either go in for marketable training and development of industry-relative skills, or you go in for research, development and innovation. That's across the board. You're making it sound like the first one is sovereign to the other, but it's not-- it's just the more popular option because most people can neither fathom nor handle the strains and challenges of the second. Prioritizing one's own fitness for the market above all else is a great way to burn your prime chasing trends and being a cog versus actually managing to stand out to maybe lead them?

Sounds like either your passion betrayed you, you never discovered it, or you betrayed it? I don't know man. By the time I went to Accepted students day for undergrads like 8 years ago and saw how mature and fit and cultured the student base was I was deadset on both evolving and reigning supreme in sheer personhood. College was the fucking hyperbolic time chamber. That attitude literally took me to opportunities that I won't even bother typing because of how fictitious they sound. Eh

>>14220781
Literally this
I'll never understand the people whose #1 ambition is to unironically work for other people/corporations

>>14220787
I don't see the word "invest" in any of your comments. Might be the problem

>>14218367
I did a minor in classics/philology and used to hang out in the department a lot, literally everyone I know from that program is gainfully employed, albeit often in academia so ymmv.

>>14218444
checked and based.
>>14218367
If you're going to a top ~20 school, and can graduate with good grades and some level of networking (internships, clubs, extracurriculars, etc)--sure. People will respect the school and the fact that you're ostensibly not a sperg. Your studies and coursework won't matter unless you're doing something specific or technical.

If you're going to a shitty state school or an unknown private one--don't do it. You'll have a niche degree from a school that doesn't command respect and it will be significantly more difficult to find a job.

If you have a significant scholarship and/or Mommy and Daddy are paying for it, then it's up to you, since debt won't be a problem. Either way, don't fall for the graduate school meme. And at least consider double majoring/minoring in something "useful" as insurance.

Don't go to university at all. Go to trade school and pick up Latin/Greek in your free time, make decent money working with your hands, and break the stereotype that craftsmen are all plebs

>>14227377
>That attitude literally took me to opportunities that I won't even bother typing because of how fictitious they sound.
Regale us, anon.
I started out super enthusiastic and ambitious too, but I still ended up here.

>>14227900
You need skill to back up ambition, not just enthusiasm .

>>14228012
>You need skill to back up ambition, not just enthusiasm
Wow, such wisdom. I never would have guessed that.

>>14228030
You don't seemed to have realized it.

>>14227900
I don't get why "ending up here" is a sentiment. 4chan's just another social media platform? Being on it isn't indicative of some compulsive failing, despite how fun it is to meme it like that. People are smarter here than most other corners of SM.

And if this is the part where I convince you through my own life experiences that I'm not some naive child, then that's a farce, as the only social proof that'd overcome the dogma with which you're demanding such proof is so unilateral and 1% of the 1% that you wouldn't believe me anyway...but I'll shoot, despite the fact that I'd prefer to stay anonymous

I'm 25 too, I've been on 4chan since I was 12-ish, I was a disaffected well-off kid closeted sociopath with what was questionably a dissociative disorder when I was entering college, with the kind of mindset that literally totaled his closest friend's car because he thought it'd be funny and a good laugh. Entire friends group was that crazy. But the second I hit that campus I was on some Vincent Frankenstein shit, for some reason or other. Didn't care about not caring, didn't care about being popular, didn't care about job readiness, didn't care about the Deans' List-- I compulsively hopped on some Nietzschean Zarathustran shit and wanted to use uni as a weapon to master the production of creative product, rising to dominance through the hierarchical, competitive opportunities for "sport" as funded/incentivized by the local community/economy. I did. I saw it as an investment, saw time as sovereign, saw debt as an absolute necessity for the 99%, an investment with a value contingent on the audacity of the individual's will and truth. I saw a correlation between attention-to-detail in the context of my studies with an autodidactic, technologically engrossed one outside of them, stole as much time away from my first year and a half in to then use such to garner a fuckton of connections and funnel a large amount of resources into my school's informal art programs. Helped in the facilitation of the financing of dedicated studio projects for musicians, set up and helped standardize almost weekly summits, coordinated with all of the artsy fucks, just to simulate the far more expensive and risky "real world", the city slumming, the busking. My college town housed a few ten thousand to a hundred thousand people in a canyon. It had very little going on. I saw an opportunity for market and evolution. Saw that with all of the departments and technology and resources, there was the infrastructure for entrepreneurial gain, brand development. We had a mini-industry.

This was until I realized that brands don't abide by four year plans. Pair that with the fact that your "city" rotates out every four years. Took time off to write and work, degree-less. Moved to a real city vs. a simulation of one. In 2 months of replicating what I did at that university I was a dedicated speaker and performer at a nigh-monthly summit for the 1%, being flown private.

>>14228042
Then you're doubly retarded. Thanks for sharing.

>>14228063
Did you just literally take this from "Harassment Architecture"?

>>14228063
>>14227900
But the ends don't matter, rubbing elbows with CEOs, Rock and roll Hall-of-Famers, meetings with media conglomerates and being in promo films for Fortune 500 companies from literally living in my grandparents' basement with massive debt and neither a bank account or a phone-- it's irrelevant. I achieved all of that without the infrastructure that I developed, networked and had access to specifically because of the university environment-- but only because of it, and because I'd stepped away from it. 3 years away optimized me even more for the life. Uni is what you make of it, you probably just didn't care about what you were studying half as much as you told yourself you did.

I fucking needed it

>>14228091
No. Life experiences m8. Told you shit sounded fictitious, plus i didn't wanna dox myself

>>14228152
>Told you shit sounded fictitious
Yes, you did.

>>14218367
Absolutely not worth it. Remember that it will be useless when searching for a job, and the knowledge you gain will be worthless in 99% of fields.
Get a degree in business, economics, computer science, anything that would look good to employers and give you at least semi-applicable knowledge. You can always study history and literature on your own time.

>>14228187
Not all of us are destined to be employees.

>>14228275
weird flex, but okay boomer

>bro don't do a degree in something you'll have a blast doing for 3 or 4 years
>do some soul destroying shit like economics instead to set you up with a soul destroying life where you won't even have any free time to pursue your passions and all the money you make can't give you any fulfilment

>>14228296
Well, what if it wasn't Classics? What if he wanted to study Art History or Comparative Literature or Theater? Would you still recommend doing it to "have a blast for 3 or 4 years" knowing full well he will suffer years of employment difficulties afterward?
He could easily study something more useful that's not "soul-crushing".

>>14228287
>weird
lmao there's nothing healthy about your slave mentality

And it's better to flex than to wallow. Second you believe what I said for yourself you'll at least have something in common with all the people that actually build shit themselves

>>14228329
This started out as mildly entertaining LARP I was willing to humor, but now it's becoming stale.

>>14228372
lmao
aaaand THAT'S why anons refer to it as "ending up here"

have a good one mate

>>14218367
Some people have already stated this, but i just want to endorse it.
Only do it if you can get into one of the top tier schools for this sort of program and if you don't have to take on huge amounts of debt at the same time.
You basically need to be rich enough already not to care about immediate job prospects and definitely not to go into debt over your education.

I finished both a literature degree and a math degree with no debt and I liked doing both of them. Employability was never a concern and funny enough, opportunities just arose by themselves during my studies, but even if they wouldn't have, I could just have mooched off my rich parents afterwards so there was never any pressure.

>>14228422
>people are no longer entertained with the shitposts and non-sequiturs
>ragequits while trying to seem superior
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>>14218444
"not even in the rankings" tier here. Haven't learned anything in 4 years

>>14228063
This post is so strange. You're saying that you're a corporate motivational speaker now?

>>14228484
Another anon pointed out that it’s from a book.

>>14227370
where are you from that classicists and archaeologists overlap?

>>14220781
Found the brainlet

>>14220488
You must be some special kind of retard, aren’t you?

>>14229563
You just don't understand genius.

>>14218367
Absolute mega-retard.

Literally read them in your own time.

>>14218429
> Follow your heart man.

This advice is degenerate. Be pragmatic first, then live life as you please.

Using other people’s money to fund your cute, little princess passions just makes the economy worse, and doing this at the cusp of the upcoming recession just adds another level retardation.

Decide what you want, then plan, nigger.

>>14218367
Research or ask around what the jobs recent Classics majors have entered. The results should be your answer whether you want to get that degree.

>>14229636
The advice is pragmatic you fucking retard. I know for a fact that when it comes to that idea vs. your ‘serve the economy, goyim’ idea in the face of reality, following one’s heart will bring meaning and make life worth living. He never said anything about using someone else’s money, either, jackass, not all of us went into debt to make mommy and daddy’s pathetic dream for us a reality instead of living our own life. “Cusp of the upcoming recession,” what a loser. If shit hits the fan economically neither of you are gonna be able to feed yourself properly, people with PhD’s were working fast food. At least OP would be working fast food with experiences of doing what he loved and had a passion for fueling his life and providing respite at home. Someone with a cucked business degree that they only got to get a good job would show up every day just fucking bitter and betrayed by life, believing it was all a worthless waste of time.

Decide what you want and then plan indeed, but don’t chase money over meaning. Let meaning provide money, not the other way around.

>>14230442
not reading all that desu senpai

How much of a difference is there between actually going to college to get a degree in something like Classics/History/Philosophy and just reading books and watching lectures on youtube in your spare time?

any methods of maximising the latter approach, ie assigning your own 'homework'?