/lit/ - Literature

>>14166489
Whatever nerd, this is an Entp board.

>actually believing a pseudoscience
Stop with these stupid threads and go read a book retard

>>14166489
>>14166494
use the time you spend on retarded pseudo-scientific personality tests on actually reading

>>14166489
Nietzsche, Lenin, Marx,


>>14166502
MBPT is true and proves that astrology is true

>>14167652
>Nietzsche, Lenin, Marx
>literature
kek

>>14167660
Sorry bro, you dont have the IQ required to understand superior INTJ literature.
when we team up with the INFJ's we will be the new rulers of the world

>>14167669
good luck ruling over a world where marx and lenin have made everyone too ambitious while nietzsche discourages them from beginning the monumental task in the first place

>>14166502
>intp

>>14167652
>Lenin, Marx
>not realizing that INTJs are apolitical

>>14167690
Nietzsche knew there could be a utopian society but humans werent ready for it yet.
Communism can work easily, I would adopt some ideas from plato & socrates and say that the philosophers should be the ones ruling, reluctantly,
the INFJ's would be the best rulers of my ideal Nazbol society. And the INTJs would be the architects behind it.
every other personality type is just a normalfag who needs to be ruled over

>>14167710
Im a political Nihilist, but im not apolitical. lenin was a literal intj

>>14167718
people use nazbol to refer to a lot of different shit, could you explain how exactly your nazbol society would function

>>14167738
I havent read as much as I would like to in the field of politics & economics.
but pretty much a global government, where every individual nation is autonomous and keeps their cultures & traditions.
The main job of the global government is to enforce the NAP between each individual nation. And each nation would ideally be ruled by a Gigabrain Philosopher like Socrates or Marcus Aurelius. pretty much everything would be publicly owned

>>14166489
While not quality lit by any standards, Ayn Rand (ESPECIALLY The Fountainhead) is probably the closest you'll get to INTJ porn

probably a construction manual or something lol fucking nerds
literature has always belonged to the infp master race

>>14166489
As an INTJ, I think you would find the OCEAN/ big 5 methodology more accurate and predictive.

>>14168033
Also based infj

INFJ here, where do I apply for leadership of the nazbol gang?

descartes

>>14167652
Top fucking lol.

>>14167718
>>14167767
I've unironically had the same thoughts. Let's unite.

>>14166489
ENFP here.
Am I doomed to read social sciences

If we're assuming MBTI is valid, the description of the type probably doesn't suit itself well to recommending specific books.

An INTJ would read books based on knowledge they wanted to gain for their own purposes and plans. If they were reading literature otherwise it'd be for some downtime and type is irrelevant.

The only other option is to treat the author as the INTJ, in which case you'd be looking for books that describe plans to achieve specific goals in some way I suppose.

>>14166489
The board might say Nietzsche, which is ironically not bad reading for INTJ, though he was ENFP. The two have the same "rational" functions, and Nietzsche's scattered process might be "cool" to the mature INTJ.

>>14168329
Correct. Big Five actually DOES stuff with their data. However, there is one company using Jung's psychological types (what MBTI was built on) in a similar method, and hopefully will be gaining scientific momentum in the next several years.

>>14168498
You are blessed with an interest in everything, yet cursed to get distracted after a paragraph.

>>14168508
Not bad, but imagine the INTJ literature professor. They exist. Reading would thus be a way to rework info regarding common themes, writing styles, etc.

>>14166489
my diary desu

top INTJs read textbooks exclusively to derive their own theories

Best literature is all by INFP

>>14166489
Am INTJ, Nietzsche validates me so hard

>>14168953
>Not bad, but imagine the INTJ literature professor. They exist. Reading would thus be a way to rework info regarding common themes, writing styles, etc.

Doesn't that just come under
>read books based on knowledge they wanted to gain for their own purposes and plans
?

>INFP
Plato, augustine, kierkegaard, kant, vergil, shakespeare, dostoevsky
>INTJ
Aristotle, epicurus, nietzsche, hume, homer, milton, kafka

>>14169567
It comes under "if they were reading literature otherwise," which I didnt see. My bad, anon

>>14167652
>MBPT is true and proves that astrology is true
kek

>>14169676
A trend I’ve noticed in anime posters. They never say anything intelligent, but if someone else’s view can be “safely” ridiculed because the consensus is largely enough against it they’ll make an obnoxious show of laughing at it

>>14166489
>>14167652
>>14167695
Though the MBTI resembles some psychological theories, it is often classified as pseudoscience, especially as pertains to its supposed predictive abilities.

Took me like two min to find this BY ACTUALLY READING WOW HOLY SHIT

>>14168953
>You are blessed with an interest in everything, yet cursed to get distracted after a paragraph.
lmao

>>14168953
>The board might say Nietzsche, which is ironically not bad reading for INTJ, though he was ENFP. The two have the same "rational" functions, and Nietzsche's scattered process might be "cool" to the mature INTJ.
Wtf, Nietzsche ENFP? No. How he would be? He is INTJ.

>>14169700
Ok newfag. A trend I’ve noticed in anti-anime posters. They never say anything intelligent, but if someone else’s view can be “safely” ridiculed because the consensus is largely enough against it they’ll make an obnoxious show of loathing at it

>>14169748
1. Breadth over Depth in a state of normalcy
2. IxxJ fears expansion, ExxP fears reduction. IxxJ's dont get all excited about "freedom" thr way ExxP's do. For comparison, dystopian authors like Huxley and Orwell had Ne in a state of normalcy
3. He couldn't settle down and karma kicked it to him by forcing him in bed for the rest of his life. That's the metaphor of doing Ne/Se too much and neglecting Ni/Si

>>14169748
>Nietzsche is INTJ.
That's correct and is the scholarly consensus. Literally everyone with a modicum of understanding of Jungian psychology agrees on this. Only some ENFPs on this board seem to see their own ideals in him so they project their self-image to him. Their whole reasoning comes down to:"I DO THIS NICH DID THIS SO NICH IS ENFP!!" Only they don't understand psychology is more complicated than that.

Certified INTJ here with my selection

>>14170559
nietzsche didnt speak for the final 11 years of his life due to the shame of feeling pity for himself, theres no way an ENFP could do that

Where my /INTP/ lads at? Let’s get this party started!

>>14166489
What are the ups of being an INTJ?

>>14166489
The Art of War
Any book about strategery.

>>14171319
INTP is suffering

>>14171319
Yeah, let's get the party started (let me just grab the rope and I'll be right back).

I used to think I was an INFP. Then an INFJ. Then an INTP. Then INTJ. I've finally come to the conclusion I am a fucked up ISFP (Like Maynard James Keenan) who comes across like an unintelligent INTJ.

>>14171319
>>14171926
What up /INTP/ bros

>>14170559
>>14171284
Except this isn't cartoon character "I'm the special thinking unicorn" land. Neech stretched his big stupid Ne brain too far and it broke.
Ni doesn't have to go on a big honorable journey to "find meaning." They know what they want from day 1, and they don't change topics. If you think INTJ's chase down random thoughts for aphoristic wisdom, you don't get it. Or you're zeroing in on two of N's achievements and disregarding his actual life.

>>14171450
To name one, you wouldn't be an anime-poster if you are one.

>>14172068
Schopenhauer was INFJ/INTJ and wrote a lot of aphorisms (which influenced N), and N didn't write just aphorisms on random topics. He wrote extensive essays on epistemology, ethics, etc. He wrote an entire novel just to elaborate on one idea. You're just focusing on parts that seem to validate your view and ignoring everything else.

>>14172072
You do realize where you are, right? Or are you that new? I swear this tirade of anti-anime sentiments from /pol/ immigrants is seriously tiring.

>>14171319
INTP here how fucked am I?

>>14172087
Where did you pull those Schope types from, personalitycafe? The fact that Nietzsche even wrote on various topics is enough to lean more towards Ne/Se. Ni/Si sticks with the one or two things that work well FOREVER. Over the whole course of their life.

>>14172108
>Where did you pull those Schope types from
From Jung. I could provide exact citations if you want.
>Ni/Si sticks with the one or two things that work well FOREVER.
For this I would need citation. Plato for one (commonly regarded as INFJ) wrote on very different topics over the course of his life.

>>14172072
>implying that INTJs post anything else but anime pics

>>14172117
Then he probably wasnt an INFJ, despite the fact that as "the rarest type," people really like labeling people as it. Legitimate IxxJ's stick with their known information and build upon it, with anathema to stuff outside of their special box.

>>14172149
I would like to know why you think Ni must stick to one topic over the course of their lives or else they are Ne. I have never read such a thing and doubt whether it has any validity

>>14167767
Sounds gay. Why do you care so much about culture? Or do you just want some white cuties around in the future?

>>14166489
I like Dostoevsky, Kafka, and Melville

I just got this too. Is this a personality prevalent in /lit/?

>>14169727
What? You are able to read and copy opinions from Wikipedia articles? You must be so smart, man. For someone so proud of his "reading" proficiency, you really need to try to pick up a book sometime. Nice contradiction, faggot.

>>14172072
fuck off tourist

>>14172158
Ni/Si are what Jung called "irrarional" functions. That doesn't mean they're "dumb," it just means they're not as involved in the processing of information (be it people, ideas, whatever). They instead deal with what information is utilized to begin with.

Introversion and extraversion is just a spectrum of information. The former is like a small sliver growing more and more deep, and the latter expands across the spectrum going through more and more variety. The corollary here is the idea of, respectively, control and freedom.

The introverted info types love controlling their world and fitting information into their boxes; it comes very, very easy to them. They are unconcerned with the rest. Extraverted info types abhor the idea of narrowing down and instead love to roam around the spectrum of information. Reducing information is so difficult, it becomes their life's mission (the existentialist obsession with a "search for meaning" is textbook Ne/Se freedom overload).

The thing is, people don't really change all that much. No matter how much we grow, Ni/Si always prefers their known box, and Ne/Se prefers new boxes. For Nietzsche, this meant searching for meaning across a spectrum of ideas, and, in my opinion, The Gay Science is the best example he gave. What did he do after realizing he wasnt going to die? He dove right the fuck into that Ne of his and started jumping around like a maniac.

>>14172219
But The Gay Science and his other aphorisms are not his only writings. In fact, he started by writing essays. He later read Schopenhauer's aphorisms, the French, and Baltasar Gracian and influenced by them, started writing aphorisms.
>"search for meaning"
I believe this is a desire of most philosophers, regardless of their psychological type.
>For Nietzsche, this meant searching for meaning across a spectrum of ideas
But the whole of his search revolved around the idea of the will which he inherited from Schopenhauer early on.

>>14172219
> What did he do after realizing he wasnt going to die? He dove right the fuck into that Ne of his and started jumping around like a maniac.
Actually he had planned a big central new project called "revaluation of all values" but he died before its completion and his notes of it were published as The Will to Power after his death.

>>14172257
Maybe I shouldn't have focused on aphorisms originally. Those are just the most "look, he's doing his type" pieces. All I meant was his writings, his actual written work that took time and energy to compose and weren't just happy little thoughts, covered a variety of topics. He spent his actual self, not a difficult component like the INTJ's Se, covering it.

I pulled "search for meaning" from Viktor Frankl, pioneer of existentialist psychotherapy. The Ne/Se lives in chaos very easily and has difficulty narrowing down, so the "epic quest to define and make meaning," a quest so powerful it's a matter of sanity, just doesn't happen to IxxJ's, especially Ni. They know their shit and spend their time trying to show you the answer.

Schopenhauer could have been an Ne too, for all I know. It's a type that lends itself well to philosophy. Actually, if we say Socrates was a fictional Ne alter-ego made up by Plato, it makes his INFJ argument way better. He very well could have been an IxxJ fine-tuning the character over many years

Just took a test and it say im INTP are we gonna be okay other INTP bros

T. Entp

Man it's good being me.

>>14166489
MBTI is just shit astrology

>>14166502
Actual INTJ answer

>>14172178
All those but Kafka are INFP

>>14166489
What about ISTJ?

>>14172300
unironically yes, it's a very comfy type.

>>14172600
Nietsche is the same as Marx?

>>14168953
>You are blessed with an interest in everything, yet cursed to get distracted after a paragraph.
Do you know me?

>>14173188
Hell yeah nigga

>>14166489
So lets say i'm INTJ and want to hide my massive autism to get along with normies what books should i read ?

>>14171319
I just want a literary gf

>>14173402
You can't, you have polr Fe. Just embrace it.

>>14173669
INTJ doesn't even have Fe

>>14173669
ENTJ faggots are worse in terms of Fe and yet they blend with normies effortlessly.

>>14174035
What non-normie MBTI type blends in with normies the most effortlessly? My top 3 candidates would be ENTJ, ENTP and INFJ. An INFP might also succeed provided that they’re female.

As for the polar opposites, INTJ and INTP are doomed to be social outcasts forever.

>>14174149
>As for the polar opposites, INTJ and INTP are doomed to be social outcasts forever.
I agree on INTPs but there are examples of INTJ politicians and businessmen.

>>14174035
Dabs*

>>14174176
>failed normie

>>14174181
N...no you

>>14174181
Failed normies are ISxx though. Any type with an N function was never a normie to begin with and will basically never be one.

t. Someone with an autistic ISFP friend who fails at being normie, but doesn’t have an N function strong enough to think beyond the typical normie worldview.

>>14174223
Look at his results, he's 41% a sensor. True non-normies are 90%+ intuitive Chads.

>>14171319
Reporting in

>>14172984
What is Kafka's type then?

>>14174235

>>14172281
>Actually he had planned a big central new project called "x" but he died before its completion
Sad. Many such cases.

>>14174223
>Any type with an N function was never a normie to begin with and will basically never be one.
why is that?

>>14174390
Yes, the same was also true with Kant. He was writing a book on the foundations of physics before he died, which he called his "chief work".

>>14174223
Can confirm, even as a kid i was always "different", still had friends and the like but was never a true normie.

>>14174149
>INTJ and INTP are doomed to be social outcasts forever.
why?

>>14173922
I'm using the Socionics model.

>>14174035
ENTJs have role function Fe, they can use it pretty effectively but only in service of their dominant Te function. Tertiary Se also helps to appear less like a sperg than INTJs.

>>14174441
Every time I see that friend O can’t help but feel sad at how pathetic he comes across as. I try to help him, but he just won’t help himself or expand his horizons. Your kind depresses me because I see wasted potential there.

>>14174454
They’re not extroverted and they also can’t feel empathy. This make them alienating to everyone.

Still, that’s not to say extroverts or feelers with an N function don’t have their problems. I’ve heard that while ENxx are very good at socialising, they struggle to form deep connections. Similarly, I’m an INFJ and I struggle because so many people come off as fake.

>>14174587
>they also can’t feel empathy
This meme needs to die. They are not robots. Empathy is an ingrained biological function.

>>14174606
The whole MBTI community needs a shift.

You’re a very dumb faggot if you think Myers Briggs is real. Just say you’re quiet or whatever

>>14174149
shut the fuck up

ESTP coming through, read some fucking Taleb to fix your pussy-ass IYI mentality

What roles are INTPs even good at? I just have a mild interest in shit humanities related but don’t specialize. I’m fine talking to people though, and faking it. I’ve always had empathy problems however. Law?

>>14166489
>INTJ
you mean high functioning autists

>>14174701
scientists

>>14174606
It is, but those with a T function find it much more difficult to feel empathy and will only do so under exceptional circumstances.

INTx types are thinkers and philosophers, so human emotions factors less into their thinking when compared to abstract theories and scientific concepts. This is probably why you’re likely to find INTx types dominating STEM subjects and philosophy, while the humanities and tend to be the domain of the INFx types.

>>14174701
Literally anything. Ti just means you prioritize yourself over others, and care less about emotion. Any type can do anything they want. Tony Hawk, of all people, is an INTP.

>>14166489
Living with Autism by Ben Dover

>>14171248
absolutely reddit