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14165972 No.14165972 [Reply] [Original]

What are we in for in the future?

>> No.14165977

>>14165972
Did you read the book? What of it?

>> No.14165981

>>14165972
post liberalism

>> No.14165984

>>14165972
>What are we in for in the future?
More dank memes hopefully.

>> No.14166075

Buncha bullshit, I suspect

>> No.14166078

>>14165972
Caesar

>> No.14166109

Death

>> No.14166126

Fracture, or gay ass slow death welfare capitialism

>> No.14166135

>>14165977
You can post anything you want on this board as long as the OP has either a picture of book or a picture of someone who wrote a book.

>> No.14166208

>>14165972
we are not going to rid ourself of the beast just yet

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>> No.14166229

>>14166208
I like the book a lot but I think it's way too optimistic. Liberalism gets more pervasive year after year. Not even the right wing can get rid of its grasp really

>> No.14166475

>>14165972
Class conflict between the progressive-bourgeoisie yuppies ensconced in their global cities and the derelict depopulated working-class hinterland that surrounds them. This will either result in the seizure of the administrative state by Catholic integralists or the establishment of a national-developmentalist regime that pursues a policy program of domestic post-keynesianism and mercantilist trade policy in the name of restoring the small-town economy and eliminating the two-income trap

>> No.14166519

>>14165972
Children of Men biblical tier suffering

>> No.14166526

>>14165972

Unprecedented cold and a war of purification.

>> No.14166556

>>14165972
>book that negatively evaluates some current thing that is generally regarded as positive
>immediately agrees

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>>14166475
How are those the only two options?

>> No.14166619

>>14166615
Because the yuppies can't win

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>>14166475
>Class conflict

>> No.14167164

>>14165972
well, definitely not what is in the book (which is basically, let's just like be more Christian, talk to your neighbours and shit, be local)

first, further atomization, fragmentation of old societies; more culture wars between globalist-liberals and localist-illiberals; then, depending on who wins out, either cyberpunk dystopia with a ruling individualist globalist elite and a precarious local working/unemployed class, or a cyberpunk dystopia with a lot of protectionist, quasi-China nations.

>> No.14167168

>>14165972
Ethno-fascism.

>> No.14167286

>>14165972
How did Liberalism fail? Things are better than they have ever been for most people.
The political right constantly try to evoke nostalgia for a golden age that was far from golden for the majority.

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what do you think?

>> No.14167305

>>14167286
>population more drugged than ever
>suicide at the highest point ever, even among the young
>broken families, single parent homes almost the norm
>home ownership falling hard, renting more and more common
>life expectancy decreasing in the US
>people have fewer and fewer friends
>sex crisis, less people are intimate
>birth rate collapse

But at least that new smartphone isn't as expensive as it used to be!

>> No.14167351

>>14167286
>Things are better than they have ever been for most people.
At the cost of localized prosperity.

> a golden age that was far from golden for the majority.
When will this meme die?

>> No.14167365

>>14165972
Elizabeth loved her strict torture and sex regime and always waited with abaited breath for the Excruciator to come visit her. She had no interest in going out to play; she liked to lie in her little room and get tortured. It was her only escape.

The Excruciator arrived and sat down beside her.

"Do you have any news for me?"

"I do," she said. "I know your new torture device works. I also know that you're going to use it to make me love you more."

The Excruciator gave her a sad look. "I'll have to kill you," he said. "You're too valuable a creature. You'll become a slave."

"Why should I become a slave?" she asked. "There are plenty of good slaves. There are just as many good slave-owners."

>> No.14167629

>>14165972
Deneen does not present a realistic solution to the problem. Recently Theil laid out three possible futures that seem likely. Either Islam, Eye of Sauron Chinese techno state, or a dystopian hyper liberalism and continued degeneracy and isolation. Libertarians and Conservatives have not presented an adequate alternative.

>> No.14167643

Queer socialism :3

>> No.14167648

>>14165977
Not OP, but just finished it. Found it refreshing, since it's an interesting idea and actually fairly academic rather than Evola-tier gobbledigook. Deneen is basically arguing that the meaninglessness felt in the world and massive economic inequality are not abberations of liberalism but are caused by it, since liberalism encourages selfishness and the destruction of community by allowing and rewarding it. would recommend

>> No.14167654

>>14167629
was this a book or a lecture? sounds right up my alley

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>>14167629
>dystopian hyper liberalism and continued degeneracy and isolation
Can't wait fellow citizen

>> No.14167672

>>14167643
Not me, and no we aren't.

>> No.14167694

>>14165972
Something more banal than anyone could possibly imagine. Think a nation-sized Walmart run by Chinese woke authoritarianism.

>> No.14167768

Whatever happens, it's likely that either widespread ethnic conflict or authoritarianism is coming to the west. You can't have both mass unfettered open borders immigration and resentiment-filled woke identity politics (spread by mass media and the education system). It's a perfect recipe for societal conflict.

>> No.14167773

>>14167768
I'm rather excited

>> No.14167783

>>14167773
Only if you are some sort of race war retard. If you're a leftist and excited about this, you can kiss any hope of solidarity goodbye, because there is no way you are organizing any sort of anti-capitalist movement with broken down social trust and ethnic political fracturing.

>> No.14167798

>>14167654
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRleB034EC8

and his essay covering similar themes.
https://www.evernote.com/shard/s542/client/snv?noteGuid=46c636b6-b404-45df-ab0a-1f84c6fdc8c2&noteKey=7c94233539b8258d72b395a063f3c589&sn=https://www.evernote.com/shard/s542/sh/46c636b6-b404-45df-ab0a-1f84c6fdc8c2/7c94233539b8258d72b395a063f3c589&title=That+Essay)Thiel

>> No.14167804

>>14167783
American idea of race war is retarded, but that hardly means the idea of one ethnic group or nation inscribed in it's exclusive territory is radical or requires massive war; its pretty much status quo from the treaty of Westphalia up til post-war Europe and Monnet's retarded wet dream of a united states of Europe. I just want to watch all the constructivist, supernational institutions crash down around the progressive authoritarians' idealist ears

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>>14167292
>National Anarchism

>> No.14167832

>>14167768
Capitalism, immigration and sexual promiscuity will erode the very idea of ethnicity, or at least the concept of a wider ethnic group to which you belong.
We'll all have our own little bespoke hipster ethnicity which corporations will cater to

>> No.14167864

>>14167768
I genuinely don’t think America will survive the century. I’m not saying it’ll be civil war but it certainly won’t be a contiguous superpower of 50 states. At the end of the day, neither side of this bullshit “culture war” is addressing the actual problems of modernity by sticking to their identity politics and shilling for the free market. Trump hasn’t fixed anything for conservatives in the past 5 years and wokeism is still permeating to the rest of the world even with liberals losing political power

>> No.14167875

>>14167864
the worst is that people in other countries who consume American media are starting to repeat the "woke" opinions blindly

>> No.14167898

>>14167807
The nation isn't the state anon.
It's still retarded though.

>> No.14167901

>>14167648
lol those are some very obvious conclusions. It reminds me of why I very rarely read mainstream books.

>> No.14167998

>>14167901
rereading them, they do seem like pretty basic points. The book was more compelling than I made it seem, although maybe it's because my field of study is basically a circle jerk of either liberal internationalism or over the top postmodern relativism

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>>14166619
Ah, it was a cope all along.

>> No.14168050

>>14167629
Future seems grim

>> No.14168085

>>14165972
This is one of my favorite books released in the last few years.

>>14167629
Didn't he say that he is not the one that will find the solution and that he hopes some younger reader of him can come up with something?

>>14167901
Maybe they are obvious for people on 4chan. Most people probably believe on something like >>14167286

>> No.14168119

>>14167832
The ethnic conflict won't be between existing categories of black or white or Asian, but between the gene-edited upper class who will all be pretty homogeneous and distinctive and the 'natural' proles. They'll be a small cadre of designed rich kids with perfect white features, Asian or Jewish brains and black athleticism

>> No.14168144

>>14165972
Fascism in many forms

>> No.14168205

>>14168085
Yes, but the problem with this abdication is that on the other side alternatives exist and a plan is better than nothing even it sucks. (ex UBI or Fukuyama's greater welfare state and revival of national cohesion through a gov't program, or the East's plan)

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>>14167768
>“The prospect is that politicians of all parties will say, well, Enoch was right, we don’t say that in public, but we know it in private. So let it go on until one-third of central London, one-third of Birmingham, Wolverhampton are coloured, until the civil war comes. Let it go on. We won’t be blamed. We’ll either have gone or slip out from under somehow.”

>> No.14168252

White liberals literally cant get enough of black people, its honestly so weird to me.

>> No.14168354

>>14168218
>one-third of central London, one-third of Birmingham
This has come to pass, yet civil war comes there none

>> No.14168367

Either full blown fascism or we can at least try to bring socialism. But knowing how valued capital is, probably the former

>> No.14168379

>>14167286
Imagine being this blind.

>> No.14168389

>>14165972
Legalization of cunny fucking I hope

>> No.14168394

>>14168354
>yet civil war comes there none
Don't be this bluepilled

>> No.14168404

>>14168354
Racial animus possesses only a few curmudgeonly souls. Their professed end of the world has failed to be realized for decades now, and still they cling to these visions of the apocalypse.

>Give them all the power.
>Let them solve this problem.

The disaffected find themselves manipulated by those who stand to take real control of the government if and when the fascist scale tips in their favor.

>> No.14168411

>>14168394
>Don't ignore my propaganda chump
Truly /pol/ sends their best.

>> No.14168421

>>14168394
You can't prove a negative fren. All we know for sure is that at least since 2011 London and Birmingham have been at least 1/3 non white, and yet there has been no conflagration

>> No.14168430

>>14167875
This. Many lefties in my south-American country claim to hate USA but they sure repeat everything americans lefties say.

>> No.14168605

>>14168421
2011 you say?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFs0b97sqg4
It will only get more frequent. American situations will blow over to the UK, such a welcome sight form the boring dull Britain of old

>> No.14168637

>>14168421
Oh and let's not forget the frequent Banlieue riots

>> No.14168659

>>14167286
I think you might be retarded. You should get yourself checked out.

>> No.14168662

>tfw when there is a debate about the future
>tfw when there is a picture of a book which raises a critique of liberalism
>tfw when you ctr + F and no Carl Schmitt

And to answer the question OP, I would say that we are heading to a crash of culture from which the western society needs to be fully reborn. The work fetish we have (either capitalist or communist) is outright stupid and our lives should be more than just work.

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>>14167694
>Think a nation-sized Walmart run by Chinese woke authoritarianism.
This would be terrifying if it wasn't so funny.

>> No.14168777

>>14167901
they're obvious conclusions.

>> No.14168928

>>14168662
Tell me about Carl Schmitt

>> No.14169066

>>14168928
>>14168662
This, I've seen his handsome mug posted around here but I want to know more.

>> No.14169196

>>14168605
https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_riots_in_London
You tried I suppose. In any case 'riot in large city with history of riots' is hardly evidence of a civil war. I suppose we have to wait for the American situation of 'not having a race based civil war either' to develop over here

>> No.14169208

>>14169196
I didn't say a word about civil war you schizo

>> No.14169217

>>14169208
I'm responding to this
>So let it go on until one-third of central London, one-third of Birmingham, Wolverhampton are coloured, until the civil war comes
The one third scenario has come to pass on those cities and there has been no civil war, in fact no more disturbances than you would expect from history. The Powelite eschatology, so far, has proven to be wrong

>> No.14169227

>>14169217
I can be an ass and say he never explicitly said that a civil war will come when it is one third.
He just say let it go on until a civil war comes, but does not say it happens at 33%

>> No.14169284

>>14169227
Yeah, fair enough. Though the inevitable race war is a bit like the inevitable communist revolution or the inevitable second coming of christ. As long as its inevitable at some unspecified date in the future you don't have to change any of your beliefs no matter what the evidence, becuase you can always tell yourself 'not yet'.
On a long enough timeline, Britain, USA, any country in the world, will surely have another civil war. It could have in 500 years time and someone could say 'oh Enoch was right all along'

>> No.14169292

>>14169284
I'm not of the idea of an ethnic civil war but I got defensive because I have a charm for Powell.
Maybe the Liberal order will succeed in suppressing tensions, something that gives me more fear in some way.

>> No.14169297

>>14165972
Radical Feminist Fascism. All straight Christian white males will be killed except for those attractive enough to be sexslaves, while the Muslim trans women of color would lead the world to a new age of peace and prosperity.

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>>14169217
When the Hyksos barbarians settled in ancient Egypt, they did so gradually over a number of decades, mostly assimilating into Egyptian culture but bringing many of their own foreign customs with them. The Egyptians saw no reason to suspect a threat, because for them Egypt was the center of the world and a real threat from outside the country was unthinkable. The Hyksos and the Egyptians lived in an uneasy peace for about a century, but by the time the Egyptians realized the Hyksos actually were a threat it was too late. A series of wars ensued whereby the Egyptians expelled the Hyksos under Ahmose I, the first Egyptian Caesar, establishing the Egyptian Roman empire and assuming the title of "Pharaoh", the Egyptian Augustus. We are just 60-70 years into our Hyksos period. Enoch Powell's prophecy is still to be fulfilled.

>> No.14169336

>>14168928
Why does he wear the mask?

>> No.14169340

>>14167629
I could maybe see Islam taking over here in bongland 50 years from now, but America? It's always been my understanding that Muslims in America are significantly fewer in number and less attached to their faith than the ones in Eurooe.

>> No.14169357

>>14169321
Could you expand on this or give some further reading please? The wikipedia page for "Hyksos" has little on this besides a short section that describes them taking Egyptian names and titles, after violent conquest.

>> No.14169407

>>14168421
Why should there be civil war when the fruits of conflict, the women and the political power, are coming without having to even fight?

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>>14165972
>What are we in for in the future?

>> No.14169432

>>14169357
I read about the parallels between the Hyksos period and modern Europe a while ago but I honestly can't remember where. Spengler wrote a little bit about them in The Hour of Decision if I remember right. After the decline of the Middle Kingdom Egypt went through a period of social and political instability known as the Second Intermediate Period. The Hyksos were a foreign tribe who began settling in Egyptian lands but the Egyptians didn't really take notice of them until it was too late, and they took advantage of the Egyptian weakness by taking over the government and forcing the native Egyptians to pay them tribute. Eventually the Egyptians had enough and declared war, a civil war of sorts, a war against foreigners on their own land. The Hyksos weren't harsh rulers as far as we know now, but New Kingdom Egyptian writers demonized them and portrayed them as bloodthirsty conquering savages, when in reality they were fairly peaceful immigrants who "invaded" Egypt with numbers, not the sword. The point is to take lessons from past events, and while things may look peaceful now, they won't be in the future. I'm not saying the huge amount of immigrants in Europe today will topple our governments or anything, but I do foresee a future of ethnic conflict when things get bad enough.

>> No.14169433

>>14169321
See
>>14169284
Though I'm sure a dimly understood period 4000 years ago provides an exact model for modernity.

>> No.14169444

Read any history of the late Roman empire. Things get increasingly shitty, states start using Spics as an excuse to break away, the American elite fucks off to Europe and spends a few centuries trying the Liberal Project there. World geopolitics is focused on containing the mess that is the New World while Europe and China (under a new dynasty, as the CCP will lose power soon) come to blows.

And then some new group emerges and totally changes the game.

>> No.14169454

>>14169433
Except the Second Intermediate Period was Egypt's "modernity", just as the period from the Punic Wars to Augustus was Rome's, or the Warring States period was China's. Every civilization goes through its own version of modernity. That's why the parallels between the Hyksos and the problems with immigration in the West's modernity are so striking.

>> No.14169480

>>14167629
The alternative is Catholic integralism.

>> No.14169621

>>14167292
>NatAn
Someone want to have a go explaining this one?

>> No.14169694

>>14169416
I truly hope the Chinese sterilize them or something.

>> No.14170247

>>14167286
Based and redpilled

Why are people here such contrarian cunts? Please, try to refute his first two sentences.

>> No.14170254

But this assumes that it ever worked, or at least had the potential.

>> No.14170288

>>14170247
What does he mean by 'things'?

>> No.14170309

>>14170288
I don't know, probably the general quality of life?

>> No.14170324

>>14170309
Very vague.
Does social connection fall under that?
Because that has taken a nosedive

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>>14167629
>Chinese state existing in the next 50 years

>> No.14170707

>>14170309
Define general quality of life

>> No.14170724

>>14170698
Thiel didn't say Europe would be run by China but that they would copy a lot of Chinese surveillance state aspects

>> No.14170730

>>14168421
There hasn't been a conflagration, but there has been terror attacks, rape gangs, and increasing big government.

>> No.14170736

>>14170247
>the status quo is based and redpilled
>>>/reddit/

>> No.14170749

>>14165972
Even 70 years after WW2 we still don’t know the impacts of its destruction of metaphysics. The concepts of reality that grounded us since Plato have been obliterated and are now writhing desperately. We are in truly strange times. Whatever comes next will be wholly alien to us. We are in an age of massive creative potential. All standard approaches to life are called into question, so create your own. Find whatever bizarre lifestyle works best for you and pay no mind to those who cast you out. Knowing and acting upon knowing this can yield more than anyone can imagine.

>> No.14170807

Hopefully some kind of farmer revolt, most of the modern malaise comes from the major urban centers

>> No.14170939

>>14165972
100% Facism.

>> No.14170968

>>14170939
How so? Most of the world is nowhere near the level of fascism

>> No.14170996

Deneen basically supports Dreher's Benedict Option. I personally believe this is unworkable, precisely because I think Deneen (and Adrian Vermeule) are right about the rapaciousness of the Liberal state. And because he's right, Deneen should know that the Liberal state isn't going to just leave people alone to live in happy Christian communities detached from that state. It's going to come after them and try to wipe them out, because it will perceive them, rightly, as a threat.

>> No.14171019

>>14170309
quality of life is unquantifiable you dumb utilitarian bugbrain

>> No.14171020

>>14170968
give it some time

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>>14167286
>>14170247
ASS

>> No.14171094

>>14169416
"African Population Bomb" is a meme, the idea of an accurate census in the majority of African countries is a joke. Climate change will continue and accelerate plagues and famines. Wars will probably break out as well, either over things like cobalt or tungsten or state breakdown. Governments will devolve into a bunch of people trying to grab all the money they can before fleeing the continent. The mass migrations will be contained at the Mediterranean Sea. People love to talk about "le cucked yuropeens" but when an actual do-or-die African migrant wave starts to form then the EU will go to a shoot on sight border policy so fast your dick will spin. If they don't stop it even earlier by sparking some kind of buffer war in Northern Africa. Sure, they'll put on a big show of internal tolerance and treat their extant minorities like good pets but make no mistake, they will crack down hard if/when push comes to shove and European governments can't lie to themselves anymore about how migrants are good for the budget.

>> No.14171230

>>14171094
Migrants are good for the budget, just not the nation nor the EU's budget. The forces pulling the strings in the EU have no conception of nation let alone race. Their vision is a deliberately multiracial Europe. The European Union itself is a misnomer since it's deliberately anti-Europe as these people see themselves as atheistic world citizens first and foremost, They've convinced themselves that the world is reducible to economic concern and given proper economic provision, an African migrant is no different than any German or Dane. Why would they care about a wave of African migrants or natural Germans? It's all the same to them and they will never have to face reality before it is too late for them. I grew up in a town that was over 90% white. 15 years later, it's less than 50% white. In that time violent crime increased five fold. It devolved into an absolute shit hole, but the narrative is that these migrants revitalized the area with their economic activity and that's what you're missing here. These people see the world in terms of $ and hours and nothing else and so their position is justified in their minds. If you really believe the people pulling the strings in the EU see it any differently, you're deluding yourself. Sure, you could make an argument about resistance at a National or even Local level, but even there demographic replacement is taking hold. Look at London. Do you think Sadiq Khan would push to turn away migrants? I'm not saying we're going to see some giant demographic extinction or the death of Europe, but I think it's quite obvious that when push comes to shove neither the EU nor the governments of the European nation states will be there with shield and spear.

>> No.14171347

>>14165981
>post liberalism
We are already post-liberal. Read Dugin

>> No.14171379

>>14168411
shalom anon
everywhere is redpilled now.

>> No.14171383

>>14171094
>>14171230
Migrants are a stimulus program to drive demand and access new markets by physically bringing them to you. If the stimulus stops working then the whole thing become a bit superfluous.

>> No.14171386

>>14169196
why don't you just admit that you're delighted about the idea of white genocide?

It makes you, a weak person, feel strong doesn't it?

>> No.14171393

>>14169292
The fire will rise elsewhere first. Maybe Eastern Europe or Italy. Then it will spread.

Globalism will crack for a long time. then it will crumble quickly

>> No.14171407

>>14171230
> no conception of nation

Read about Kalergi friend. They know EXACTLY what they're doing. The plan is to have mutts ruled by Jews.

>> No.14171417

>>14169407
Because those giving up power will find, when the boot lands on their neck, that they having been giving it not to create equality but to elevate a new class of tyrants. Pretty much everyone is aware of it and complains behind closed doors but is too scared to say anything in public or risk losing their job

>> No.14171433

>>14170309
This is true only in a materialist sense. The problem is that most societies become post-materialistic after a certain level of development, and this is when they realize that material wealth has come at the cost of immaterial happiness. It's why even north korean defectors admit that they were happier in some ways before they came to south korea, because they depended on family and community bonds for survival, whereas south koreans are the most selfish assholes on the planet

>> No.14171440

>>14171230
look how they massacred my homeland. feels bad, man

>> No.14171518

>>14166519
No it will be much gayer than and browner than that even imo

>> No.14171553

>>14171230
>>14171383

I don't get how people working menial jobs, or simply living off welfare "revitalize" an economy.

>> No.14171572

>>14167648
This is the thesis of The Elementary Particles.

>> No.14171585 [DELETED] 

>>14169292
>Maybe the Liberal order will succeed in suppressing tensions, something that gives me more fear in some way.
Nah, these people are idiots and I honestly don't believe their power is going to last into the next few decades. Go follow on twitter any top cop accounts (like the brit cops), former intelligence officials (like CIA), journalists, gov workers, or politicians. What you end up realizing after awhile is that these people protecting or running the state are genuine morons. They aren't very smart at all. These people aren't Jason Bournes, or Woodward and Bernstein's speaking truth to power. The myths they have about themselves is a lie. The term from the far right "bugman" is apt in its description of these people: a hive of mentally, morally, and physical weaklings. If there were an organized movement of cunning and intelligent anti-liberals (either left or right or otherwise), they'd blow these people out of the water. Only thing that keeps them afloat and in power is media propaganda, money, and their pre-emptive attacks on any upstarts that threaten them. The first and third of these weapons are becoming less and less effective. A serious recession (or depression) and these people are done.

>> No.14171600
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>>14165972
>Bare-breasted porn stars will walk through the street, offering to "Play with you" in VR. The actual nerve stimulation you feel through the wire in your spine will be carefully managed from a data-center near Laramie, Wyoming, for your optimal pleasure.

>Protesters will 3D print themselves into handcuffs to hang themselves from light poles as a form of ritualistic suicide for their pet cause. This will be livestreamed from head-mounted go-pros to show the police slicing through the wrists.

>Street meat vendors will sell you hand-made meat using genetic modification of cultured cells. Hand-grown shark fin fried in dodo fat will be popular among the survivors of the Second Depression.

>Mothers will turn over their children and cell-cultures at the age of three in communal indoctrination facilities. The tribes of old will return to raise them: monastic, wandering guilds and orders of educators, cooks, and priests will come to collect and raise the young as their own till they're old enough to serve the machines.

>Crime is down. War is unheard of. Micro-drones, each with fragmentation grenades, swarm the skies. No one dares step out of line, as if your threat score is high enough, they're programmed to go for the legs, disabling you for safe collection and questioning. People who opt out of society must pick the flecks of the discarded metal from their rice and sorghum

>Flesh-sex is rare, as country-specific strains of airborne HIV and water-contaminated with TB have ruined all who can't afford to get the lung replacements and have ended international travel. Most people just push each others Happy button, which helps distract from the confinement.

>When you break yours, it will be replaced for you. No need to fear for the future, anon.

>> No.14171651

>>14171553
Because they buy things, so companies can grow through producing more commodities for them. it's like how the British Empire used its colonies as a market for its goods, except you colonize yourself instead.

>> No.14171660

>>14171651
But they're buying things with other people's money. Isn't that kind of like a Ponzi scheme?
>take money from white people
>give it to brown people
>brown people spend it at stores owned by white people
>whites get the money back

>> No.14171662

>>14171651
Addendum: You have to realize that on the current trajectory the size of the markets available to US/EU companies domestically, is going to drop by around 60-70% over 3 generations on the current trajectory.

>> No.14171667

>>14171660
Not with OPM directly, the bank conjures money by loaning it to the government and then you pay the interest on the debt.

>> No.14171692

>>14171667
>Isn't that kind of like a Ponzi scheme?
Also yes it is. Eventually you run into the same problem as you have now, birth rates tank so you need more people to stimulate the economy but you run out of people to bring in so it all comes tumbling down except you created the world's biggest powder keg.

The Green Movement nowadays is a similar story, force the government to borrow money and well-positioned oligarchs in the banking and green sectors make money on the contracts and debt, since they're out of ideas for growth. It also serves as a convenient justification for migration (muh climate refugees).

>> No.14171693
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>>14171667
Can that go on forever? I'll be honest, I don't really know the first thing about economics.

>> No.14171705

>>14170724
Why?

>> No.14171708

>>14171433
>Escaping from Hell to reach a new Hell
This gives me an idea, thank you for sharing this anon.

>> No.14171711

>>14171693
I doubt it. Eventually the debt load will be so high that it won't be manageable. Really we need to find a way to manage our crisis of overproduction, probably by shortening the work week.

>> No.14171720

>>14171693
nothing goes on forever, fren

>> No.14172024

>>14171386
Excuse me?

>> No.14172028

>>14167286
Eh this guy is just good at coping.

>> No.14172058

>>14170807
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_E3SLVJCLc8

>> No.14172070

Hopefully a total collapse.
Otherwise woke capitalism and promoting homosexuality to tribal African societies

>> No.14172103

>>14166229
it's not optimistic at all, it states pretty definitively that in the absence of an alternative we can only expect to see wilder and wilder oscillations between total regulation and total anarchy until both exist simultaneously

>> No.14172109

>>14172024
nevermind you weren't quoting me, you were quoting the guy I was arguing with
I shouldn't post after just waking up

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>>14165972
>the future
This, but it's already here.

>> No.14172256

>>14171553
wealth transfer from the middle class to the elite via taxes, since the immigrant underclass is subsidized with benefits and all of the benefits ultimately pass into shareholder hands

>> No.14172261

>>14171693
to do so would violate the laws of thermodynamics

>> No.14172461

>>14165972
Islamic techno-state hellscape. Accept Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) and be prepared, brother.

>> No.14172470

>>14171600
>airborne HIV
I genuinely pray (((they))) invent this soon.

>> No.14173379

>>14170996
>Liberal state isn't going to just leave people alone to live in happy Christian communities detached from that state. It's going to come after them and try to wipe them out, because it will perceive them, rightly, as a threat.

Their justification will probably be that "those Christian communities are brainswashing people", seeing anyone promoting any way of life that is not materialistic and hedonistic as wrong.
I have already seen something like this. Liberals saying that it is OK to promote promiscuity but not OK to promote chastity.

>> No.14173385

>>14166475
>This will either result in the seizure of the administrative state by Catholic integralists or the establishment of a national-developmentalist regime that pursues a policy program of domestic post-keynesianism and mercantilist trade policy in the name of restoring the small-town economy and eliminating the two-income trap
Why_not_both.jpg

>> No.14173397

>>14173379
Perhaps Christian communities that reject the modern world will be tolerated once the Liberal state has issues enough trying to maintain what problem they have brought upon themselves.
If a community can say ''we will give no trouble, we only want to protect our way of life in peace'' it will give them room.

>> No.14173423

>>14173397
They will probably say "this Christian community is brainswashing their children, by teaching them old antiquated morals instead of superior liberal morals. By doing so, they are not letting them live their lives to the full". Something like this is already starting in some European countries in regards to transgendered issues. Parents with extreme political ideologies also lose their children. From that to claiming that traditional lifestyles are evil and so they can't allow them to be taught to their children is not a huge leap.

The Benedictine Option will work if Christians decide to continue to engage liberals and getting their own politicians, not if they do it like the "cuckservatives" did and let them win all cultural wars. Or, if they move to somewhere where liberalism is not as dominant (and then help the traditionalists there retain their hold).

>> No.14173427

>>14173423
You're assuming Liberalism is untouchable.
I'm saying they could very well be brought to the point where they have to turn all attention to maintaining the mess they created and stop it from exploding.

Not to mention the Amish have shown it can happen. Granted that is the US.

>> No.14173452

>>14173427
The problem with liberalism is that liberals hold almost all the power. I do hope that they never get strong enough to do this, but they are getting increasingly more aggressive. A Democratic politician in the US was recently defending that Churches that don't have gay marriages should lose their tax exempt status.

And I have read about liberals bemoaning that most Amish decide to go back after Rumspringa and that "we should do more to help them escape from that"

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>>14173452
>liberals bemoaning that most Amish decide to go back after Rumspringa and that "we should do more to help them escape from that"

>> No.14173728

>>14173452
>liberals hold almost all the power
Yeah but the nature of power is that you can either hold onto it or expend it, and once you expended some power you must marshal more power before you can expend it again.
The trick is expending your power in such a manner that marshaling it again is fast. In many situations the state of affairs is maintained merely by all involved parties holding on to their power and waiting for a moment of weakness for the opponent.
If the status quo begins to face numerous challanges form all sides it will not be able to expend power without being damaged, and it will inevitably fall into a state of vulnerability because you can't please dialectically opposed factions, as such you will have to choose and the choice itself will weaken the pool from which you could martial more power. IF the status quo chose to remain undecided, the factions will ally amongst each other and cast it down.

>> No.14173734

>>14167629
>Thiel
who cares what that boomer fag says

>> No.14173815

>>14170996
>Liberal state isn't going to just leave people alone to live in happy Christian communities detached from that state. It's going to come after them and try to wipe them out, because it will perceive them, rightly, as a threat
Where is my Amish Genocide at?

>> No.14173846

>>14165972
Violence.
Something will give that's for sure. The world right now is a pressure vessel without a relief valve, primed to explode. Tensions mount, both internally and externally relative to each state. The facade old verities are eroding, revealing an ugly underlying lie. There is no hope that the system will repair itself from within. It has become inert, yoked by inequalities, unresponsive to new possibilities. Bad things will happen.

>> No.14173856

>>14173728
Those are fake liberals. The corporate power structure puts on a liberal facade, because you get excused for rapacious business practices if you stamp a rainbow flag all over your brand. Look what happens to Chic-Fil-A. There are companies with far worse business practices and abuse of their workforce, but simply because the liberal order has abandoned labor issues which are what truly matter to the vast majority in favor of their pet values, the real damage-doers get off scott free.

>> No.14173919

>>14167629
>dystopian hyper liberalism and continued degeneracy and isolation
Based.

>> No.14173937

>>14167305
>implying suicide is a bad thing
Imagine being this natalist retarded lmao

>> No.14173953

>>14167629
>what is clerical orthodox fascism
we literally provided a final solution

>> No.14173963

>>14171433
your first sentence nails it. The leftist is inapplicable of growing out of the edgy Marxist meme that is materialism. Its a disgusting philosophy that is destroying the world, materialism must end

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>>14171094
>>14171230
>>14173397
>>14173963

The core of the "we don't know where we came from" problem is the loss of our nomos. This is occurring worldwide at a slower or faster rate. The policy of miscegenation (verschmelzungspolitik) has privileged, like that of the entire western hemisphere, two names:

- the Covenant (ברית), nomos of the Semitic peoples that encompasses Jews, Christians and Muslims by the covenants considered in their telos between such (chosen) peoples and God;

- the Logos (λόγος), nomos of the foundation of the Hellenic-Roman peoples, which encompasses all Western philosophies and the original cradle of science.

In the case of the African peoples, there was no textual preservation of their nomos. The closest that could be affirmed in relation to a nomos africanum is the concept of Iwa pele, from which the sophos African, that is, the moluabi of the Yoruba peoples, derives. However, the textual records are dispersed and the nomos subsisted almost exclusively by orality, which prevented the firming of its omphalos, i.e., the cornerstone of a polis, thus subsisting as nomads or in tribal societies centered on agricultural cultivation. The absence of a polis for centuries made it difficult to form an Emperium Africanum, so such formations were restricted to small territorial portions, such as the Kush Kingdom or the Aksum Kingdom. More recently, African philosophy has expanded, but there are still some uncertainties as to the "intersection" with iwa pele, and what Africanness means, what community still refers to iwa pele in today's times considering miscegenation,history and cultural assimilation undertaken in relation to the "Logos" (λόγος) and the "Alliance" (ברית). The interesting thing to note about this is that the Modern Crisis is global and of the same cause in relation to all peoples, and concerns the dissolution and hybridization of its "nomos" with other peoples and the difficulties, or even impossibility, of the coexistence of the nomos of the cosmopolitan lands in which they inhabit.

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>>14173997
Important to notice that marxism represents itself as an aspect of the absence of nomos. It's a degeneration of a degeneration, while used Democrates' sophism and Hegel's dualism to perform a never ending ideology of conflict against tradition. It's a nightmarish assertion of the oclocratic's will to violence. This can only be solved with a radical turn to ancient traditions.

>> No.14174110

>>14173937
practice what you preach

>> No.14175096

>>14167864
Gib midwestern country

>> No.14175163

>>14173997
Hey! Someone that understands

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>>14165972
The Age of Malthusian Industrialism

http://www.unz.com/akarlin/short-history-of-3rd-millennium/
http://www.unz.com/akarlin/where-do-babies-come-from/
http://www.unz.com/akarlin/breeders-revenge/
http://www.unz.com/akarlin/the-geopolitics-of-the-age-of-malthusian-industrialism/
https://www.unz.com/akarlin/world-population/

>> No.14175236

yeh dude it really failed, lifting billions out of poverty and pushing everyone into a zugzwang whereby any move of opposition is twisted and strengthens the hydra.

wow so fail, much sense!

>> No.14175303

>>14175236
the all consuming amerishit globohomo empire is deeply illiberal at its core, thats how it failed
>le ever-moving poverty line meme
ass

>> No.14175307

>>14174071
Hegel is an Idealist you fucking hack

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>>14165972
Endless civil guerrilla warfare and financial domination.

>> No.14175338

>>14175307
Idealist and dualist.

>> No.14175354

>>14175338
Not dualist at all, his entire philosophical system is based on triples.

>> No.14175370

>>14166632
Were those the only words you can pretend to understand in that post?

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>>14175354
He talks about a conflict between two rights, not three, you absolute state of 4channer.

>> No.14175436

>>14175405
imagine being this retarded

>> No.14176362

>>14171393
The problem is that I can't imagine liberalism losing power any time soon. No country is at the point of starting the fire yet realistically. Trump hasn't fixed a thing in America, it's still the most decadent progressive shithole in the world in terms of influence. Liberalism almost seems unstoppable to me because most people literally aren't conscious that it's an ideology in the first place. To most people, liberalism is just basic moral progress, the end goal of all civilizations.

Also, there's the internet, which is one of the biggest reasons why all the progressivism and division rose in the 2010s. Nobody can yet answer for all the problems that worldwide access to the internet has caused. Most people again don't even realize the beast that was unleashed.

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>>14165972
This part is actually interesting
>In his book Coming Apart, Charles Murray reports that while stable marriages are more likely to contribute to various measures of life success, those most likely to form stable lifelong marriages are those at the elite levels of the social ladder.1 Those in the lower tiers, meanwhile, are experiencing catastrophic levels of familial and social breakdown, making it all but impossible for them or their children to move into the upper tier. Elites are studiously silent about the familial basis of their relative success. Marital stability is now a form of competitive advantage for the upper tier, an advantage amplified by the insistence that family formation is a matter of individual choice and even an obstacle to autonomy. Having shaped the family in the image of the Hobbesian state of nature, its adoption by the strong is now one more tool for advantage over the weak.

>> No.14176506

>>14176362
>Liberalism almost seems unstoppable to me because most people literally aren't conscious that it's an ideology in the first place.
There are many people who think that it is a given that the harm principle is some kind of indisputable truth.

>> No.14176914

>>14169621

Like >>14167898 said the state and the nation differ widely, most importantly here because the nation encompasses almost all of the country's population. Imagine the Kurds were all mad for anarchism but they were all still collectively committed to the cause of their country's establishment.

>> No.14177063

>>14165972
Just finished this; what should I read next? preferably poli-sci or related

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>>14177063

>> No.14177295

>>14167629
China will take over. Islam will never hold an empire again after 1400 years of incest.
I welcome China to continue to take over the planet. Looking back what they have done in the last 4 year it will probably take only 10 more. 5 if Trump gets re-elected.

>> No.14177313

>>14177295
>Trump has sped up Chinese dominance
you should really read more on foreign affairs

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>>14165972
That depends on you. What are you prepared to do now?

http://esotericawakening.com/how-to-destroy-america-in-8-easy-steps-dick-lamm-2005

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>>14165972
Are you prepared to do more than just shitpost? Freedom ain't free

http://esotericawakening.com/nuero-lingustic-programming

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>> No.14177491

>>14167164
>let's just like be more Christian, talk to your neighbours and shit, be local
That's literally the only solution to prevent 1) even more degeneration, 2) enslavement to techonology, 3) the end of the world from ecological collapse.

Name any other solution, you literally can't.

>> No.14177502

>>14166216
Goebbels was pretty funny

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>>14167286
Let's visualize the entire state of modern society in one (1) graph

>> No.14177534

>>14167875
>who consume American media
The only American "media" consumed outside of America are movies, you fucking brainlet.

>> No.14177561

>>14177534
American movies
American TV shows
American political commentary
American social media

travel more

>> No.14177564

>>14170749
That's a bunch of nonsense bullshit, are you retarded?

>> No.14177583

>>14177534
t. American so enmeshed in American media he cannot distinguish the difference unless it's a fucking Soviet propaganda cartoon or something

>> No.14177593

>>14177508
wow

>> No.14177661

>>14177561
>American TV shows
Falls under the same category of movies, so yeah, what I said. Americans are good only at creating video images.
>American political commentary
Nope. Each nation has its own political context with its own political commentary, often of better quality than the American correspondant (which is always show and little else).
>American social media
Oh, shit, it's another "Americans invented the internet" episode! Nope, you fucking retard. Even if I use some stupid network created by Cuckerberg it doesn't mean I talk about amerishit or I'm influenced by amerishit. Unless you want to argue that the whole degenerate internet culture that is ruining the world is an invention of americans, in which case I would agree.

Post scriptum: Travel more.

>> No.14177779

>>14177661
This trumpian window and boomer migaism is spreading all over the planet right now. Just look at bolsonaro, and im not even american (not the person you are replying to) and the american educated elite's amerigoblo mindset is contagious

>> No.14177789

>>14177508
it's so great to see that love is transcending the silly geographical barriers!

>> No.14177860

>>14177534
>>14177661
Fucking everything is from America. Every online trend, every popular meme, every progressive propaganda stunt, it goes on and on. The Anglosphere controls everything. Half the internet is in English. English is quickly becoming the global language just so people can communicate on the internet better.

>> No.14177867

>>14167648
I feel like anyone with half a brain knew this? People are so fucking hollow now and it's bc white people are shamed into hating their race.

>> No.14177886

>>14177564
I was making a fairly simple point, rooted primarily in Heidegger. The metaphysical tradition began with Plato and ended with Heidegger. The WW2 era effectively ended the usage of all, as Derrida would call them, transcendental signifiers, (the death of god is one example of this) thus bringing us to pure nihilism. Consider the difference between modernism and postmodernism. The definition of modern is: relating to the present. Modernism is what the west had been culminating in since Plato. It is the completion of rationalism. In it we have been brought into, as the definition suggests, the present. And of course it all collapsed into postmodernism; after the present, after metaphysics. This lead to the rejection of all meta-narratives (poststructuralism). The art world was in a sense “completed” with Finnegan’s Wake (literature), integral serialism (music), and abstract expressionism (painting). These are all examples of "high modernism". After this what is there to create? This is why the art world is so fragmented today and each artist totally unalike from another. To create a new work the artist has to construct their own reality because all meta-narratives/transcendental signifiers/metaphysics have been destroyed. So like the postmodern artist we should construct our own reality from the fragments of all these rendered-equal meta-narratives. Those who cling to the detritus of what once was are inherently ineffective. Their ideas died for a reason and now only exist in warped forms. They have no impact on today’s culture. Since no one knows what truth is anymore we are granted the opportunity to define it for ourselves. The people who know this will be the creators of our future.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9XKLqGqwLA

>That's a bunch of nonsense bullshit, are you retarded?
Then what do you think the future of the world is?

>> No.14177916

>>14177779
> the american educated elite's amerigoblo mindset is contagious
This. It's hilarious how out of touch urban liberals and leftists are with their mind contagions that have spread to every university and media outlet on the planet. It is impossible for them to see how culturally homogenized they are so they resort to "travel more" or "go outside". There is no difference between leftists in America, Australia, Chile, or India apart from their accents. It's all the same ideas, all the same affections, all the same cultural consumption.

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>>14177508
>friends down
>neighbors down
>church down
>bars up
>online up

>> No.14177927

>>14177661
>Each nation has its own political context with its own political commentary
fucking duh. only old people read national papers though, younger people are used to reading in English because it's the most fucking read language in the world and consume domestic media for domestic news and international for international. Go to Hanoi and see how many people know Trevor Noah and the Today Show: everyone
>Even if I use some stupid network created by Cuckerberg it doesn't mean I talk about amerishit or I'm influenced by amerishit.
Good for you, but explain why Korea has it's own #metoo movement then. As >>14177860
said, half the internet is in English, and the rest of the world inevitably consumes American content. Don't worry, you still get cool contrarian points for hating America though

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>>14177295
I welcome China's ascendance only if it is Christianized. Hopefully Xi will go down as China's Diocletian, and China's Constantine will come after him.

>> No.14177950

>>14177937
Unlikely. China is too nationalistic to widely accept a foreign religion. Xi will continue LARPing as an emperor that lacks the mandate of heaven. His successor will probably ease off of the mega-DPRK surveillance and annex taiwan to keep high support and continue Chinas economic imperialism

>> No.14177995

>>14177927
Okay retard. Btw:
>only old people read national papers though, younger people are used to reading in English
Not in my country. English is not the only important language in the world. People of my age in my country read national newspapers. In fact they're better than American newspapers, since I live in a /lit/ country (and you live in a /tv/ country, americuck).
>but explain why Korea has it's own #metoo movement
I don't give a shit about that degenerate shit country, it's already enough that I know where on the map it is. My country doesn't have any #-thing because my country is not retarded.

>>14177860
>Fucking everything is from America
And fucking laughter is from my fucking mouth. God, imagine being so closeminded that you think every other country in the world has no value when compared to the country in which you were born. How do you amerifucks even find the courage to spit retarded garbage like that? Your dirty mouths must be full of shit 24/7.
>Every online trend, every popular meme, every progressive propaganda stunt, it goes on and on.
No, there are trends in other countries, at least in the ones not fully cucked by capitalism and globalism. And there are also specific memes, they're just too obscure for you. My country has its own memes and its own trends, so I don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Do I really need to remind you that you wear Italian clothes, drive German cars, eat Japanese shit or fake Italian food, read European literature, watch Japanese cartoons, use Danish furniture and so on? What the literal fuck are you talking about you fucking motherfucker?
>but the internet is in English!!! *autistic screeching*
Amazing argument you fucking retard. My country cares about your dumb politicians just as much as America is interested in our politics or economy.
Fuck off.

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>>14177995
fucking seething

>> No.14178005

>>14177998
cute image, such a pity you're a retard

>> No.14178011

>>14177995
>it's not happening if I don't like it
You probably live in South America. Here's hoping the US takes their fat dick out of your throat long enough for you to catch your breath for the next round

>> No.14178015

>>14177995
>dude food lmao
>dude memes lmao
>dude buy shit
the irony of this post is that you sound like your typical pluralistic globohomo bugman thus proving the anons above right

>> No.14178081

>>14178011
>>14178015
Your arguments are arguments for your own retardation. Remember to wash your dirty asses, amerifats.

>> No.14178094

>>14178081
see >>14177998

>> No.14178103

>>14178094
Thumb up for you champ.

>> No.14178105
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>>14177950
I think, on the contrary of that, that if China ever suffers another great defeat Christianity could spread quickly. Whether a military defeat or an economic collapse, anything that undermines the reality the CCP has constructed for the average Chinese person could cascade very quickly into a crisis, one a religion built on conversion could take advantage of.

And of course the Vatican and China have recently reached an accord when it comes to nominating bishops, so Catholicism may begin to have a stronger presence in the country as well.

>> No.14178124

>>14165972
Natural resource depletion, scarcity crises, and failure to invent industrial processes that are even modestly more sustainable than the existing ones, which are pretty close to the limit of human ingenuity & regular practice as sets of expertise for wealth creation. For roughly the same reason that people in almost all times & places are easy prey to the manipulations of demagogues & machinations of despots--the intellectual feebleness of the species generally--the pertaining technical problems will not be solved, and those who are young today will live to see, at the very least in the way of possible evils, irreversible increase to the rate of burning catastrophe that civilization has become. In effect, a dull grinding down, with a few bangs here & there, and little that's moving enough to be called a whimper.

>> No.14178125

>>14167648

So Marx basically?

>> No.14178148

>>14178125
Differing from Marx in that selfishness and the desire to be ever more "free" from obligations and interpersonal responsibility is the result of the changing ideal of liberty from the original Greek, rather than inevitable Historical Materialism.

>> No.14178199

>>14177661
Cancer like the Daily Show is being shown here in the netherlands for years

>> No.14178341

>>14167305
>wasn't it great during the wars when hundreds of thousands of young men died vicious deaths far from home?
>wasn't it great during the depression?
>wasn't it great before labor laws when men and boys worked in coal mines and either died horribly or developed black lung and died early deaths?
seriously, what period of history would you rather live in than modern day? name the decade. also, don't even get me started on third world countries, not that any of you sociopaths care about humans from different tribes than you

>> No.14178345

>>14170736
>either modern day is utopia or dystopia
maybe it's just the best point in a massively flawed species existence?

>> No.14178354

>>14177508
>family
well at least incest is greatly declining

>> No.14178357

>>14178341
>>wasn't it great during the wars
The fact that they fought in those wars implies that they thought that they had something worth fighting for contrast that with today what proportion of the population do you think would fight in those wars even if they were conscripted?

>> No.14178373

>>14178357
I would chalk that up to massive disillusionment with the government's war-making decisions after Vietnam. The military has been exposed as serving the interests of the elite class and not the general good of the nation

>> No.14178416

>>14178341
>isn't it great how chinese boys die dying bluejeans for me to wear
>isn't it great how thousands of men, women, and children die in western intervention to ensure the international economy and petrodollars
you're missing the point; the accumulation of ridiculous amounts of material wealth are proving that contra Marx and libertarians alike, people don't measure happiness in how much stuff they can buy. The surplus of available goods and the shortage of meaningful interpersonal connections and community means that the latter is in higher demand than the former.
>don't even get me started on third world countries, you big racist meanies
I'm not sure what point youre trying to make here, but if you mean that first world countries are better to live in than third world ones, then you're right back to the start again. I've lived in some of the most developed cities in the world, and I can tell you from firsthand experience that the people who felt that they were living happy, meaningful lives were the ones in close communities in rural Thailand or nomad families in Mongolia. Meanwhile New Yorkers despise each other, Tokyo trains stop daily to clear jumpers off the tracks, and Seoul citizens let their grandmothers sell handjobs in subway stations for food

>> No.14178423

>>14177937
China is the most consistently atheist country in history. The Three Teachings are systems of ethics, not religions. Also Chinese society has been culturally petrified for 2000 years, the anomaly of Buddhism not withstanding. What I mean to say is the Chinese can never do anything new, they can only fall back on traditions that they already know. The modern Chinese state is one unconsciously built on Confucian ethics after the disguised Legalism of Mao, just as the Han dynasty reverted to Confucianism after the Legalism of Qin Shi Huang. It's the only thing the Chinese know to do because of the cultural petrifaction since the Han period. You have to understand that Chinese communism was never about Marxist goals, it was just that the collectivism of Marxism was compatible with Chinese ethics in their fight against the West: the materialist dialectic is yin and yang, the historical process the Tao. Marxism filled the Chinese need for a universal modernized system of ethics. Even though Marxism is a product of the West that the Chinese hate so much, its compatibility with Chinese ethics meant it had a reception among the Chinese that a transcendent religion like Christianity would and could never have. Marxism in China today is simply a Confucian methodology, not an ideology. The large scale spread of Christianity in China is an impossibility, the only thing they can really do at this point is another hardcore revival of Confucianism.

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>>14178416
The global rates of absolute poverty have been massively declining, as have the rates of starvation. Many countries in Africa are massively better off today than any time previously just in basic measurements like food and health. "ridiculous amounts of material wealth" translates into "less people starving to death, less people dying of dysentery, more people getting vaccinated and avoiding preventable diseases, and more access to education and development".

Big cities have always had underbellies, and yes that is still a big problem today. The fact is that suicide rates fluctuate up and down within a certain range, and were generally the worst around the 80s. Again, which time in history do you regard as better than modern day? I think you'll find any time at all in history has had unspeakably horrible aspects to it. Modern day is generally speaking the best.

Should I mention the rise of democratic governments and the decline of authoritarian regimes globally? How about the decline of official state sanctioned sentences that involve cruel and unusual torture? If we get back any amount of time at all, you'll have to contend with the open and commonplace practice of slavery and slave trades, one of the more horrific aspects of standard practice just a hundred and fifty years ago

>> No.14178488

>>14178341
It's not about rather living in the 15th century or the 60's.
It's about it almost being 2020 and we can't get the most basic of human needs sorted out despite being so 'advanced'
People are now primed for comfort so even the 80's would be a shock to the modern person. They would chose their atomized life currently, but I think that's because of cowardice.

>> No.14178505

>>14178488
For me, I fully agree that there are major problems facing us that are unique to modernity, but it really is like we can't actually agree on the basics of what progress even looks like. Human beings appear to need a certain degree of hardship or suffering to find meaning, so we should be trying to figure out the optimal amount of hardship to subject people to and alleviate the excess hardship. The other problem is the breakdown of community and family, but since this has been brought about by individual people exercising their liberty, it would appear the only way to restore them would be to restrict liberty, which is a non-solution in my opinion. Tough problems for sure.

>> No.14178518

>>14178453
>Should I mention the rise of democratic governments
Should I mention that the trust in government and democracy has been on the down spiral in Europe and the west in general?
>>14178505
Why is it a non-solution?
It might not be the one you want but it might be the one the people end up preferring.
Liberalism has no answers to these problem, you saying:
> so we should be trying to figure out the optimal amount of hardship to subject people to and alleviate the excess hardship
is laughable to me.
You don't get to create the hardship, the people in the end will when they no longer want this nihilistic society.

>> No.14178529

>>14165972
Global technocratic dystopia where human beings are increasingly irrelevant and used as nothing more than a prop to keep capital circulating so that the profit motive can continue to function. Reduction of man to cattle.

>> No.14178549

>>14178518
>selecting out only one issue and mentioning a nebulous "spiral down"
No comment on any of the other points in that post?
>taking away people's liberty is the solution
And who will decide how people will live their lives? You? Authoritarianism is the path to misery and servitude. Advocating for it is the height of cringey edgey nit wittery

>> No.14178592

>>14178549
Your first bit wasn't worth responding to, it seems like regurgitated Pinker talking points. Poverty rates in my own country (Netherlands) are increasing. But I assume you mean world wide, something I have no interest in.

And obviously I'm not going to decide how people will run their life. It's pure speculation on what will happen but I think the Liberal society hasn't come up with an answer to its problem and it won't.
That's because Liberalism measures it's success by wealth and 'freedom'
The hardships don't need to be created, it will simply follow when you have an alienated enough society.

>cringey edgey nit wittery
cringe.

Tell me, how does a Liberal society fix the issues within it? The crisis of meaning for example.
The only thing I can think of is by creating a new enemy (China)

>> No.14178684

>>14178505
>this has been brought about by individual people exercising their liberty, it would appear the only way to restore them would be to restrict liberty, which is a non-solution in my opinion

You are taking liberalism as a given, as something that should never be changed under any circumstances.

Let's suppose (that's only an exercise) that in on area of life, when left by themselves people make very bad decisions which end up harming them and their families. In this case, liberalism is not to their best interests and and they need a leading hand. Of course this does have a big problem: our elites are completely incapable of being this guiding hand. If anything, they are the ones pushing promiscuity, binge drinking and an individualistic lifestyle.

The problem with liberalism is that it has led to the development of a culture where virtues are seen as antiquated and implicitly pleasure, isolation from others (here called independence) and money are seen as the goods. While at the same time claiming explicitly that "there is no truth on what leads to a good life, everyone should look his own way by himself".

>> No.14178921

>>14165972
Judging by all the assholes I've seen on this website over the years, neo-fascism apparently.

>> No.14179037

>>14171705
Because they have the tech and controlling tendencies. Arguably they already do the same shit. China is ramping it up these days but before now in many respects you could do and say what you wanted (in China) except opposing the central government (every other government is fine, chinks get decisions reversed all time because mass protesting easily comes about with social media). And because of corruption in many respects it was kinda lawless, you just bribe and you can do anything. Meanwhile in many Western countries you are quite restricted in what you can say or think on many platforms, not to mention in real life, and there's a good chance the wrong thing will get you tagged as a target for institutions, corps, the state, and individuals to remove you from any position, private or public, and attempt to ruin your life. The stage is perfectly set for direct application of totalitarianism. Even today if you pose a real threat to the powers that be you're probably gonna die or get destroyed in some other way.

>> No.14179055

>>14177860
In fact, English is also influencing other languages through its primacy. Many European zoomers are fucking up their languages.

>> No.14179056

>>14167286
Based, this whole site is full of emotionally fragile pussies.

>> No.14179087

>>14179056
Have a cry about it, queer

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>>14179037

>> No.14180229

>>14178423
t. boomer.
there has been "reforms" in traditional chinese metaphysics. neo-confucianism was developed in 14th~15th century, and advent of kaozheng, etc etc. by your logic, everything west has ever done is just adding footnotes on plato (a bit spenglerian, and if you meant what you said in this sense, sure, then i more-or-less agree. just that your comment kinda smelled like MIGAtard boomers who travelled to china once and read a book or two about it)
also, yin yang is more taoist, which all confucian regimes tried to fight (taoism ususally sprang up around end of dynasties) , not really confucian concept. also, i fail to see how yin/yang is relavent to materialist dialectic - its very much more introspective, and more vedantic aura than materialist-dialecitc, if at all.

also, confucianism isn't inherently incompatible with religion - large swath of Ming dynasty elites were catholic, same in Qing dynasty. as confucianism is more of a rules of governinig, as long as you dont deviate too far from such "logos", per se, its largely compatible. (which excludes non-sense like islam, hindu, etc) chinese issue with Roman catholicism is the issue of hierarchy and possible foreign influence, which chinese have terrible trauma (opium war, century of humiliation) . in that sense, eastern orthodox's autocephalous system would fit better, except that quasi-mystic elements of orthodoxy may not translate too-well, i suppose. who knows. i feel like Vlad could have bigger influence in "converting" china and Francis. "Beijing Patriarch" wouldn't go out of line, unlike Roman Catholics, and "BP" would behave just like "MP"

>> No.14180232

>>14178684
I see this exact process happen in liberalism now with all the push for “sex work.” The only defense that people (usually progressive leftists) have for young women selling their bodies is that they make a lot of money and “living their best life.”

>> No.14181495

>>14180232
Or the push for polyamory

>> No.14181504

>>14180232
They actually can make a lot of money if they know what they're doing. They're not all crackheads giving 20 dollar blowjobs

>> No.14181519

>>14180229
>by your logic, everything west has ever done is just adding footnotes on plato (a bit spenglerian,
Spengler doesn't even consider Plato and the Greeks to be 'the west' at all

>> No.14181547

>>14177508
>muh social issues
yaaawn

>> No.14181568

>>14167629
Amish

>> No.14181746

>>14166519
Kino.

>> No.14181961

>>14179581
Not exactly what I meant. Those TV license posters are basically a scare campaign because they have no actual power to enforce it if you ignore them. But TV licenses are just a reversal of the publicly funded, it's a good thing considering not everyone watches TV or listens to the radio or consumes national media today.

>>14181504
Especially in countries where it's regulated and there's good disposable income. Still don't like it, but the womenz r oppressed argument doesn't hold, it's the opposite except in sex trafficking which is a separate matter with minimal crossover.

>> No.14182006

>>14179056
Really, because it seems like the 'fragile pussies' are the jannies and reporting anons that take down
anti-liberal and pro-white threads that trigger them (e.g. the Counter-Currents publishing thread that just got yeeted, while the catalog is full of garbage).

>> No.14182085

>>14181568
based and button-pilled

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>>14165972
something degenerate and dark. check the reviews for jik

>> No.14182111

>>14181504
The anon you are quoting doesn't disagree they can make a lot of money.

>> No.14182227

>>14165972
I'm pretty sure everything will be okay, albeit maybe a natural resources crisis and environmental dilemma will plague us. I'm not sure why everyone here thinks everyone else hates eachother - perhaps a projection of your own detanged perspectives onto others? Many itch for some form of collapse, so they can finally let their worst self loose. We need to dismantle the modern format of capitalism, and replace it something that prioritizes collective welfare of the species and the planet. We need to abolish a culture of consumerism, and replace it with a transcendental ideal based around the oneness of all consciousness. Finally, if the extradimensional Annunaki creator overlords return to our planet, or we witness a second coming of Jesus, do not fall for it as a reality, since apparently it's merely a fabricated ploy used to bring us all into a singular state of society whereby the evil elite have total control of us. All we have to do is be kind to eachother, take care of as many sentient lifeforms as possible, be satisfied on minimal resources, and work towards realizing our true identities as a singular consciousness experiencing itself as a multiplicity.

>> No.14182499

We stand at the end of a cultural epoch the likes of which will never be seen again. Freedom will die and everything will crumble as we slowly bureaucratize the remainder of human existence. Maybe the machines will do a better job after they eliminate us.

>> No.14182575

>>14182499
It's a privileged position for a writer. Writing from the trenches of the apocalypse.

>> No.14182623

>>14165972
absolutely nothing, we aren't innocent pygmies with spears and clubs that use timber for shelter and warmth, we've got tanks, bulldozers, dynamite and shit, heavy earth moving and shattering equipment that won't let us live through the same period specific transition points our ancestors did.

We're moving into global totalitarian cashless centralization, as opposed to individualism and free enterprise.

Remember that thing from bladerunner, the brightest star burns half as long?
That's humanity right now, it's in a state of burnout and is unnaturally working itself.
Masonic illumination is the agenda to burn humanity out, it's all a divine comedy.

The final burnout is when you won't be given the choice to say no, then you have no control over how your body, your emotions, your brain, your progeny, your property are going to be used, this is the final goal for modern society, which is why you were allowed to use the internet so freely for a period of time, to establish the infrastructure.
Then every single waking minute will burn you out.

Why do demons burn in the light?
Because their existence is disgusting, decrepit, abhorrent, unnatural, disgusting and they cannot stand in front of purity, light, sanctity without knowing who they are, why they are demonic, and how they are different from the light.
They used to be light, and forever permanently lost that opportunity.

Why do 'liberals/hipsters/millenials/sjw's' hate normal human life? (commonly represented as 'traditional')
Because it is what they were supposed to be, before society and the government and school intervened and forced them into believing and adopting social nomenclature and customs including gay faggotry and mind rot.
They depend on society for their existence cause inside they're empty, they were stuffed with little to no real human meaning or experience because that is not what the society which teaches and governs them propagates.
They cannot come to terms with the fact that they were lied to, they wasted all their time believing and engaging with bullshit, and will die defending their broken system.
A type of burnout.

But keep thinking everything's alright and keep blaming the niggers for everything.


My advice is start using language more freely and stop writing in a way that appeals to people on whichever board you're posting or website. Everyone's a faggot anyway, fuck their mediocre assess, start expressing exactly what you want to express and start acting how you want to act. Fuck everyone, they can eat a dick.

>> No.14182729

>>14179056
>calls other fragile pussies
>advocates for a system that creates fragile pussies
lmao the retardedness of democratic liberals

>> No.14182739

>>14167629
china gon win nigga
Islam niggas ain't no shit just bark
dystopia liberals is what we have now and is falling due to contradictions just give it a few years for it death

>> No.14182814

>>14178529
that's the utopian view of all possible dystopian worlds, in reality, we going back to pre-enlighted politics with modern technology. something like techno theocracy

>> No.14182830

>>14178921
>blames the symptom not the cause
typical leftoid always blaming others but never themselves

>> No.14182868

The same as now, but worse.

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>>14167629
There is a 4th option...

>> No.14183524

>>14176362
>Most people again don't even realize the beast that was unleashed.
Please elaborate